"Russia can solve Serbia's economic issues"

'Rogozin criticized the stand of the U.S. and the largest EU countries regarding Kosovo: "The issue of Kosovo remains a question of morality for Russia, and Serbia will always have us as a friend. Unlike some EU countries, we are not demanding from Serbia territory in order to retain 'good relations.'"

Amen, Dmitry!! I hope Boris Tadic is listening. 'Friends' don't treat Serbia like the US and Solana's boys treat them.
Russia is a TRUE friend, always has been and always will be, and deserves to be treated better than Tadic's gang are treating them. This will hopefully change soon.

Russia can help Serbia ONLY by recognising Kosovo. This will remove the last burden of Serbia, or better say the last unrealistic hope.

Only then Serbia will feel the breath reality, and can turn its shameful past behind and focus on economic progress, aligning with the progressive West.

Hello Russia, you have the key for Serbia economic and political progress, so help Serbia.

Serbia should never join NATO and that is in her best interest. I advocate good relationship but no NATO and EU membership. NATO is our natural enemy and I cannot imagine Serbia join that murderous organisation that used to drop bombs on us for nearly 80 days.

Serbia should never join this violent organisation led by the USA’s aggressive policy and attitude to spread democracy world wide by dropping the bombs. Every week there are hundreds of dead civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq and no one seems to care for that. Europe became true disappointment since turned to be blind follower of the USA’s aggressive journey.

I agree with what the ambassador is saying. Look, NATO will provide Serbia with nothing. Furthermore most of our population (63%) does see Russia as a strong ally of Serbia. And at the same time most of the country (69%) sees their futures in the EU.. which let me be clear.. the ambassador said nothing about the EU.


The solution is clear.. we cannot depend on Russia nor the EU.. but we must enhance relations with both Russia and the EU to truly achieve economic, political and social independence and neutrality.

@Knutt


I 100% agree with you. I don't think we will reach our full potential economically until we join the EU. However, I think that if we want to further we need to be Russia's strongest ally in Europe. This way Serbia is not dependent on neither Russia nor the EU. This is similar to what Slovakia did and look at what kind of results they have achieved.

Once we get Russia and EU locked into our strategy we go even further and enhance ties with the rest of the BRIC countries.. Brazil, India and China.


And this boys and girls, is how Serbia will along side Greece be the strongest economic country in the Balkans :)

I can go on if you like to hear more about Serbo-Russia morality.
(EA, 25 August 2008 16:03)

You might go on but I would rather prefer that you give us a lecture of morality on organs trading and drug trafficking..., collateral damages most probably...

The only reason Germans/Austrians are lining up around Lapovo and Aranjelovac in building those industrial clusters is the Trade Agreements Serbia holds with Russia. Anybody building cars in Serbia will have a 30% cost advantage on the Russian market who will , in next 5 – 6 years become the biggest importer of the cars in the world.
Serbia is the ONLY country in Europe being granted those priviledges.
So, that agreement alone is already all the help Serbia needs.
Thanks, although we seem not to deserve it.

"The issue of Kosovo remains a question of morality for Russia"

Russia talking about MORALITY? Ask Chechens, Poles, Afganistan, Tchecz and the list can go on and on......about the MORALITY of Russia. About Serbia you could have asked Slobodan Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic whom is still hiding....I can go on if you like to hear more about Serbo-Russia morality.

I hope that Russia helps you Serbs. Is there any worst curse than this one? :)

Nikola, before you start talking about Slovakia, or other such countries, why not study their situation. Slovakia is better off because of several reasons. A) It was historically better off, not having the turks as their rulers. B) After they gained independence, they followed a system that did not embrace the west at all. In fact the west hated slovakia quite a bit. Meciar's government pursued a middle road in the way that he avoided free market reform, and that he did not have any goal of joining NATO or the EU. He was supporting a real middle road. Joining the EU is against the middle road option.

You also speak of Greece. You should notice that they are overdependent on tourism. So you forget to mention that they are the most fragile economy of the balcans too, and they do it by selling themselves to foreign vistors who like to get drunk.

Being in the EU is against all neutratility, and this is what you have always supported.


The best path for Serbia is a socially oriented regime. Why should we be bulgaria, which is not in some of its most miserable times? We're better off being like belarus. They are a model for social development. The state there is very socially responsible and is distributing wealth in a more even manner. This is what we need. Milosevic was on that road. He failed because of external pressures and finacing of the opposition. If he was in power, we would be like belarus, getting loads of money from Venezuela, and others. Russia clearly, and China too.

The EU represents western europe and this protestant-catholic culture. We are not that, hence we are not the same people as the EU is. We celebrate christmas on the 7th of january, and we will continue to be different, though many prefer to convert us. For the interests of the overall population of Serbia, we need sustainable development. And for that we should not join the EU but instead enhance relations with Latin America, Russia, China, and other places which are economically booming. These are the places that are in need of our exports. On the other hand, the EU oriented development gives us a headache deficit and bigger debt...



The solution is obvious if one looks into it. The problem is that the pro-EU side is actively brainwashing the minds of our people. Quite honestly I see them suceeding. But as the saying goes, there are two sides to every coin. When we join the EU... then we will see the second side, and will pay dearly for it. Not only will our business not be able to compete, but our educated and less educated people will massively leave the country... our economy will be a colony that is bent on EU oriented production and not on production for ourselves. Those who oppose such a model will be labeled bad, like Milosevic was, like Lugo from Paraguay is, or like so many countless leaders whose aim is national development first, not the development of foreigners first. How far the West is willing to go is obvious, such as bombing, or financing the opposition, or countless other thing sthat they have done to dozens of countries around the world. Should we give in? I say no. We should not give in. We should fight for our rights and our soverignty, and one way to do so is to not join the EU.

Only then Serbia will feel the breath reality, and can turn its shameful past behind
(PRN, 25 August 2008 15:24)

You have some nerve PRN. Lucky for you we can only rad each others comments here. The recent cynical comments these past few days from Albanians on B92 really reflect their nature. I really hope B92 posts this since I am expressing my freedom of speech.

Serbs should ask themselves a few questions.

1. Should Serbia join European and other western organizations whose countries turned their back on them after WWII after Serbs gave thousands of lives to fight fascism? No.

2. Should Serbs join organizations such as NATO and the EU, whose countries supported or were directly involved in the complete destruction of Serbia's economy and who were responsible for countless civilian casualties all in the name of eliminating a dictator? No.

3. Should Serbia join organizations only because they appear to be the only way out of economic crisis? No.

4. Should Serbia join organizations such as NATO and the EU, most of whose countries are on a rapid economic and political decline worldwide? No.

5. Should Serbia side with Russia, India, and China, whose economies are growing at a rapid rate and whose global influence are and will propel them all into superpower status? Absolutely yes.

My advise to Serbs and to the government of Serbia is to remember the past and realize that those who sold Serbia for their own benefit will do so again without hesitation. Believe me, what appears to be prosperity today in the EU and the US will not last forever.

'"The issue of Kosovo remains a question of morality for Russia, and Serbia will always have us as a friend. Unlike some EU countries, we are not demanding from Serbia territory in order to retain 'good relations.'" '

No, you want 51% of Nis for $500 million when they made more than that in profits last year. Some friend

The language of this Russian representative shows the level of this country.
That means: it is the way in which international problems are discussed in a pub, but not on the international diplomatic level. I am sure that the SRS and DSS supporters enjoy statements like these.
To me they are the utmost attempts by a Russian representative to stop the Serbian government to go further on its way to Europe. What Rogozin doesn't understand is the fact that he is showing his own 'cold war' attitude by opposing himself to the rest of Europe and indirectly positions Russia out of the continent. I don't think that Serbia want to follow him.

What is e.g. this energy-deal with Russia. They are helping Serbia with it? No, the only ones who are gaining profit from it, are sitting in Moskva, a city with a few new, very rich people and an army of very poor residents. Ask Putin, if he really needs this residential estate that he let build for him and his friends north-east of Moskva, hidden in a forestal area and guarded by special troops. West or East, the main goal remains: PROFIT.
For that Russia needs influence on the Balkans as much as Europe and the US.

Cees

Perfect. Serbia should join Russia this way no more trojan(russian) horses in EU there is enough of them anyway.

Russia can help Serbia ONLY by recognising Kosovo. This will remove the last burden of Serbia, or better say the last unrealistic hope.

Only then Serbia will feel the breath reality, and can turn its shameful past behind and focus on economic progress, aligning with the progressive West.

Hello Russia, you have the key for Serbia economic and political progress, so help Serbia.

"The issue of Kosovo remains a question of morality for Russia"

Russia talking about MORALITY? Ask Chechens, Poles, Afganistan, Tchecz and the list can go on and on......about the MORALITY of Russia. About Serbia you could have asked Slobodan Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic whom is still hiding....I can go on if you like to hear more about Serbo-Russia morality.

I hope that Russia helps you Serbs. Is there any worst curse than this one? :)

The language of this Russian representative shows the level of this country.
That means: it is the way in which international problems are discussed in a pub, but not on the international diplomatic level. I am sure that the SRS and DSS supporters enjoy statements like these.
To me they are the utmost attempts by a Russian representative to stop the Serbian government to go further on its way to Europe. What Rogozin doesn't understand is the fact that he is showing his own 'cold war' attitude by opposing himself to the rest of Europe and indirectly positions Russia out of the continent. I don't think that Serbia want to follow him.

What is e.g. this energy-deal with Russia. They are helping Serbia with it? No, the only ones who are gaining profit from it, are sitting in Moskva, a city with a few new, very rich people and an army of very poor residents. Ask Putin, if he really needs this residential estate that he let build for him and his friends north-east of Moskva, hidden in a forestal area and guarded by special troops. West or East, the main goal remains: PROFIT.
For that Russia needs influence on the Balkans as much as Europe and the US.

Cees

Perfect. Serbia should join Russia this way no more trojan(russian) horses in EU there is enough of them anyway.

'"The issue of Kosovo remains a question of morality for Russia, and Serbia will always have us as a friend. Unlike some EU countries, we are not demanding from Serbia territory in order to retain 'good relations.'" '

No, you want 51% of Nis for $500 million when they made more than that in profits last year. Some friend

'Rogozin criticized the stand of the U.S. and the largest EU countries regarding Kosovo: "The issue of Kosovo remains a question of morality for Russia, and Serbia will always have us as a friend. Unlike some EU countries, we are not demanding from Serbia territory in order to retain 'good relations.'"

Amen, Dmitry!! I hope Boris Tadic is listening. 'Friends' don't treat Serbia like the US and Solana's boys treat them.
Russia is a TRUE friend, always has been and always will be, and deserves to be treated better than Tadic's gang are treating them. This will hopefully change soon.

I can go on if you like to hear more about Serbo-Russia morality.
(EA, 25 August 2008 16:03)

You might go on but I would rather prefer that you give us a lecture of morality on organs trading and drug trafficking..., collateral damages most probably...

Serbia should never join NATO and that is in her best interest. I advocate good relationship but no NATO and EU membership. NATO is our natural enemy and I cannot imagine Serbia join that murderous organisation that used to drop bombs on us for nearly 80 days.

Serbia should never join this violent organisation led by the USA’s aggressive policy and attitude to spread democracy world wide by dropping the bombs. Every week there are hundreds of dead civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq and no one seems to care for that. Europe became true disappointment since turned to be blind follower of the USA’s aggressive journey.

The only reason Germans/Austrians are lining up around Lapovo and Aranjelovac in building those industrial clusters is the Trade Agreements Serbia holds with Russia. Anybody building cars in Serbia will have a 30% cost advantage on the Russian market who will , in next 5 – 6 years become the biggest importer of the cars in the world.
Serbia is the ONLY country in Europe being granted those priviledges.
So, that agreement alone is already all the help Serbia needs.
Thanks, although we seem not to deserve it.

I agree with what the ambassador is saying. Look, NATO will provide Serbia with nothing. Furthermore most of our population (63%) does see Russia as a strong ally of Serbia. And at the same time most of the country (69%) sees their futures in the EU.. which let me be clear.. the ambassador said nothing about the EU.


The solution is clear.. we cannot depend on Russia nor the EU.. but we must enhance relations with both Russia and the EU to truly achieve economic, political and social independence and neutrality.

@Knutt


I 100% agree with you. I don't think we will reach our full potential economically until we join the EU. However, I think that if we want to further we need to be Russia's strongest ally in Europe. This way Serbia is not dependent on neither Russia nor the EU. This is similar to what Slovakia did and look at what kind of results they have achieved.

Once we get Russia and EU locked into our strategy we go even further and enhance ties with the rest of the BRIC countries.. Brazil, India and China.


And this boys and girls, is how Serbia will along side Greece be the strongest economic country in the Balkans :)

Nikola, before you start talking about Slovakia, or other such countries, why not study their situation. Slovakia is better off because of several reasons. A) It was historically better off, not having the turks as their rulers. B) After they gained independence, they followed a system that did not embrace the west at all. In fact the west hated slovakia quite a bit. Meciar's government pursued a middle road in the way that he avoided free market reform, and that he did not have any goal of joining NATO or the EU. He was supporting a real middle road. Joining the EU is against the middle road option.

You also speak of Greece. You should notice that they are overdependent on tourism. So you forget to mention that they are the most fragile economy of the balcans too, and they do it by selling themselves to foreign vistors who like to get drunk.

Being in the EU is against all neutratility, and this is what you have always supported.


The best path for Serbia is a socially oriented regime. Why should we be bulgaria, which is not in some of its most miserable times? We're better off being like belarus. They are a model for social development. The state there is very socially responsible and is distributing wealth in a more even manner. This is what we need. Milosevic was on that road. He failed because of external pressures and finacing of the opposition. If he was in power, we would be like belarus, getting loads of money from Venezuela, and others. Russia clearly, and China too.

The EU represents western europe and this protestant-catholic culture. We are not that, hence we are not the same people as the EU is. We celebrate christmas on the 7th of january, and we will continue to be different, though many prefer to convert us. For the interests of the overall population of Serbia, we need sustainable development. And for that we should not join the EU but instead enhance relations with Latin America, Russia, China, and other places which are economically booming. These are the places that are in need of our exports. On the other hand, the EU oriented development gives us a headache deficit and bigger debt...



The solution is obvious if one looks into it. The problem is that the pro-EU side is actively brainwashing the minds of our people. Quite honestly I see them suceeding. But as the saying goes, there are two sides to every coin. When we join the EU... then we will see the second side, and will pay dearly for it. Not only will our business not be able to compete, but our educated and less educated people will massively leave the country... our economy will be a colony that is bent on EU oriented production and not on production for ourselves. Those who oppose such a model will be labeled bad, like Milosevic was, like Lugo from Paraguay is, or like so many countless leaders whose aim is national development first, not the development of foreigners first. How far the West is willing to go is obvious, such as bombing, or financing the opposition, or countless other thing sthat they have done to dozens of countries around the world. Should we give in? I say no. We should not give in. We should fight for our rights and our soverignty, and one way to do so is to not join the EU.

Only then Serbia will feel the breath reality, and can turn its shameful past behind
(PRN, 25 August 2008 15:24)

You have some nerve PRN. Lucky for you we can only rad each others comments here. The recent cynical comments these past few days from Albanians on B92 really reflect their nature. I really hope B92 posts this since I am expressing my freedom of speech.

Serbs should ask themselves a few questions.

1. Should Serbia join European and other western organizations whose countries turned their back on them after WWII after Serbs gave thousands of lives to fight fascism? No.

2. Should Serbs join organizations such as NATO and the EU, whose countries supported or were directly involved in the complete destruction of Serbia's economy and who were responsible for countless civilian casualties all in the name of eliminating a dictator? No.

3. Should Serbia join organizations only because they appear to be the only way out of economic crisis? No.

4. Should Serbia join organizations such as NATO and the EU, most of whose countries are on a rapid economic and political decline worldwide? No.

5. Should Serbia side with Russia, India, and China, whose economies are growing at a rapid rate and whose global influence are and will propel them all into superpower status? Absolutely yes.

My advise to Serbs and to the government of Serbia is to remember the past and realize that those who sold Serbia for their own benefit will do so again without hesitation. Believe me, what appears to be prosperity today in the EU and the US will not last forever.