Polish ship joins NATO in Black Sea

And the US sends war ships into the russian sea, guess with who??

With the traditional allies of France and Germany probably? With the anglosaxon borthers of England even better? Or the american brothers of Australia and Canada?

No! With Poland of course. You see, the countries that were the most effective tools of Soviet Union during the cold war - and the most fanatic enemies of the western allies, now turn to be the most fanatic enemies of Russia and the most effective tools of american policy of aggresion into Russian waters and territory.

I was explaining in previous comments about the animosity that the ex-soviet countries like Poland or the Baltic countries show against Russia, proven with facts. And after the deal of placing american missiles against Russia, just 3 days later Poland decides to be the ONLY country in NATO that will send warships into the Russian sea.

Is this a clear act of total animosity - expressed by multiple and continuous "decisions" and acts- against Russia by Poland?

3 days after the missile agreement, to be the ONLY country to send warships into the black sea - totally provocating Russia?

Unfortunately, these "new-comers" of the alliance will be the only reason of constant tensions between Europe and Russia. They were "tools" of the agressive policy of Soviets then, they are "tools" of the aggresive policy of the americans now. It seems that to be "tools" is the only thing they know well how to be...

this is how poles say thank you for 600 000 Russians who died liberating Poland during WWII.
They were also first to join EU outside all unmet EU requirements, sign of a big thank you poles/voitila for breaking USSR.
Duds I have no comment for you.

And whose tool are you, Pavlos?

Of course Poland has never been a fanatic enemy of the Western allies, as you put it. You can hardly equate several Soviet servants with the entire nation. And naturally you forget that it’s all not about Poland and Russia, but about Georgia and Russia. Poland is a member of NATO and acts accordingly.

Those are not American missiles against Russia to be placed in Poland, only American ANTI-missiles! It's a defence system. That Russia thinks that she’s the celebrity on the political scene and the whole world must be circulating around her is Russian vanity, hardly a fact.

Pavlos, have you read the article you’re commenting on? It says ships from Germany, Spain, US, and Poland – all four NATO members.

Why don’t you find out how many NATO states have American anti-missiles? Or how many missiles Russia has?

Rain – Russians liberating Poland?! You’re kidding, right?

To Sylwia:

""Poland is a member of NATO and acts accordingly.""

Acts "accordingly"?? Well, as far as I know, NATO consists of 26 member states. How many decided to put american missiles on their groung against Russia?? And how many states sent warships into the (russian-controlled) black sea now that the tensions with Russia are top limit?

"Those are not American missiles against Russia to be placed in Poland, only American ANTI-missiles"

Really? Because the "treaty of non-attack" that USA - Russia had signed was depended on the NON-DEVELOPMENT of anti-missile systems, so an attack will be never tried by any part. So, is this a clear violation of the treaty by the US and against Russian weaponry or not??

So your Poland does not "act accordingly to NATO membership" as I prove to you. Only accordingly to their animosity and hate against Russia, using NATO membership.

To Sylwia:

"Why don’t you find out how many NATO states have American anti-missiles?"

Only one. Poland. No other in the whole alliance.

To Joe:

"How would you feel if you and your country would have gone through the same ordeal as Georgia?"

My country could never go through the same ordeal as Georgia simply because it could never do what Georgia did.

1) It cound never take the primitive and start an attack and kill russian soldiers - like Georgia did.
2) It could never totally destroy a whole city (the capital of S.Ossetia)into pieces - like Georgia did.
3) And more importnanly...it could never kill more than 2000 innocent civilians in the first two days of the war - like Georgia did.

These are things my country has never done and would never do against any people. I think that answers your question.

PS: Don't have doubts, because of my pro-russian stance on that matter, if I am Greek or not. I am.

You see the "NATO alliance" also consists of countries and nations (that are much older, with much bigger contribution to the alliance) that are able to see the reality and don't offer themselves as "american tools" against Russia - no matter if Russia has right or not.

This role has been taken exclusivelly by the "new comers of the east" (Poland, Czech Republic, Baltic countries)who believe that being a NATO member, means being the most fanatic and effective tool af the american aggression on all issues or the "slave"- even more fanatic than the "master" himself.

This is how your country (or the other ex eastern countries) are behaving inside the alliance. And don't be surprised, that a lot of other old NATO member states have the same opinion like myself. And it had nothing to do with religion. Only with reality and truth.

Good think US has plenty of retired generals to send thrughout the world to steer the trouble instead to promote love and harmony between the people and nations. They always have to create enemy in order to do their deeds. Shame!!!

Russia is too small to take on NATO!

Pavlos - Poland doesn’t have one yet! The US have and they are a NATO state. Many countries are participating in the Missile Defence program – Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, the UK, the US, Poland, the Czech Republic… Are they NATO states or not?

How is it that Russia and China can have their own defence system, but others can’t?

The US withdrew from the treaty about non-development of anti-missiles systems with Russia several years ago, didn’t they? They cannot violate something that doesn’t exist.

Perhaps you don’t realize that the base in Poland is aimed against missiles shot from the Middle East or North Africa, and not Russia?

And why are you so worried about it? Are you going to attack some country with your missiles?

To Sylwia:

You are either missimformed or you just pretend to be.

I repeat: A lot of NATO countries have anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems for their own defence and protection.

But ONLY POLAND has missiles of the new american "anti-ballistic" system in the whole alliance. NO OTHER COUNTRY AT ALL - ONLY YOUR POLAND. This system consists of the missiles and the radars. The missiles were put in Poland and the radar in Czech Republic (another ex-soviet country - what a coincidence...). This is the only system that targets the russian nuclear weaponry - no other.

So, stop saying "science-fiction" claims about other countries in the alliance then. The american system that targets Russia is placed ONLY IN POLAND.

"Russia is too small to take on NATO!
(EA, 23 August 2008 23:05)"

yes, Nato is doing a real great job right now scaring Moscow over Georgia! Give us all a break EA!

Pavlos,

Are you really a Greek or just Pavel, a Russian? Just blind defense of anything Russian (and oh boy the world is learning the terrible indiscriminate destruction of over 1 billion dollars they did in Georgia)make me wonder who you are. But on the other side I remember that for you the religious bond apparently overrides everything. But I stop here before I get censured. I just want to ask you one thing. How would you feel if you and your country would have gone through the same ordeal as Georgia?

Pavlos,

None of the ex-soviet satelites is a fanatic on the American side. They just know how it feels to be under the Russian boot. And abot the older members of NATO: none of them acts and feels like Greece. The others condemned the latest barbarism of imperialistic Russia except Greece, who has no value for NATO and s/b excluded.
And the 2,000 dead in South Ossetia?? Everybody knew that it was inflated by the Russians and Greeks like you. According to international organizations and local doctors it was below 100. So much for Russian propoganda.

Waw! russian propaganda at its best, if I hadn't been there myself I could've believed at liest part of what Pavel says, he is russian of course, and can't hold indignation about NATO missiles, in fact, if Georgia had one, we wouldn't turn up at where we are now. russia is a plane and worldwide agressor, and it's been preparing this war for months. I'm a Georgian soldier, when we first entered S.Ossetia, there were NO civilians, not even a single one. So how could we kill them then?

And the US sends war ships into the russian sea, guess with who??

With the traditional allies of France and Germany probably? With the anglosaxon borthers of England even better? Or the american brothers of Australia and Canada?

No! With Poland of course. You see, the countries that were the most effective tools of Soviet Union during the cold war - and the most fanatic enemies of the western allies, now turn to be the most fanatic enemies of Russia and the most effective tools of american policy of aggresion into Russian waters and territory.

I was explaining in previous comments about the animosity that the ex-soviet countries like Poland or the Baltic countries show against Russia, proven with facts. And after the deal of placing american missiles against Russia, just 3 days later Poland decides to be the ONLY country in NATO that will send warships into the Russian sea.

Is this a clear act of total animosity - expressed by multiple and continuous "decisions" and acts- against Russia by Poland?

3 days after the missile agreement, to be the ONLY country to send warships into the black sea - totally provocating Russia?

Unfortunately, these "new-comers" of the alliance will be the only reason of constant tensions between Europe and Russia. They were "tools" of the agressive policy of Soviets then, they are "tools" of the aggresive policy of the americans now. It seems that to be "tools" is the only thing they know well how to be...

this is how poles say thank you for 600 000 Russians who died liberating Poland during WWII.
They were also first to join EU outside all unmet EU requirements, sign of a big thank you poles/voitila for breaking USSR.
Duds I have no comment for you.

To Sylwia:

""Poland is a member of NATO and acts accordingly.""

Acts "accordingly"?? Well, as far as I know, NATO consists of 26 member states. How many decided to put american missiles on their groung against Russia?? And how many states sent warships into the (russian-controlled) black sea now that the tensions with Russia are top limit?

"Those are not American missiles against Russia to be placed in Poland, only American ANTI-missiles"

Really? Because the "treaty of non-attack" that USA - Russia had signed was depended on the NON-DEVELOPMENT of anti-missile systems, so an attack will be never tried by any part. So, is this a clear violation of the treaty by the US and against Russian weaponry or not??

So your Poland does not "act accordingly to NATO membership" as I prove to you. Only accordingly to their animosity and hate against Russia, using NATO membership.

To Sylwia:

"Why don’t you find out how many NATO states have American anti-missiles?"

Only one. Poland. No other in the whole alliance.

To Joe:

"How would you feel if you and your country would have gone through the same ordeal as Georgia?"

My country could never go through the same ordeal as Georgia simply because it could never do what Georgia did.

1) It cound never take the primitive and start an attack and kill russian soldiers - like Georgia did.
2) It could never totally destroy a whole city (the capital of S.Ossetia)into pieces - like Georgia did.
3) And more importnanly...it could never kill more than 2000 innocent civilians in the first two days of the war - like Georgia did.

These are things my country has never done and would never do against any people. I think that answers your question.

PS: Don't have doubts, because of my pro-russian stance on that matter, if I am Greek or not. I am.

You see the "NATO alliance" also consists of countries and nations (that are much older, with much bigger contribution to the alliance) that are able to see the reality and don't offer themselves as "american tools" against Russia - no matter if Russia has right or not.

This role has been taken exclusivelly by the "new comers of the east" (Poland, Czech Republic, Baltic countries)who believe that being a NATO member, means being the most fanatic and effective tool af the american aggression on all issues or the "slave"- even more fanatic than the "master" himself.

This is how your country (or the other ex eastern countries) are behaving inside the alliance. And don't be surprised, that a lot of other old NATO member states have the same opinion like myself. And it had nothing to do with religion. Only with reality and truth.

Good think US has plenty of retired generals to send thrughout the world to steer the trouble instead to promote love and harmony between the people and nations. They always have to create enemy in order to do their deeds. Shame!!!

"Russia is too small to take on NATO!
(EA, 23 August 2008 23:05)"

yes, Nato is doing a real great job right now scaring Moscow over Georgia! Give us all a break EA!

And whose tool are you, Pavlos?

Of course Poland has never been a fanatic enemy of the Western allies, as you put it. You can hardly equate several Soviet servants with the entire nation. And naturally you forget that it’s all not about Poland and Russia, but about Georgia and Russia. Poland is a member of NATO and acts accordingly.

Those are not American missiles against Russia to be placed in Poland, only American ANTI-missiles! It's a defence system. That Russia thinks that she’s the celebrity on the political scene and the whole world must be circulating around her is Russian vanity, hardly a fact.

Pavlos, have you read the article you’re commenting on? It says ships from Germany, Spain, US, and Poland – all four NATO members.

Why don’t you find out how many NATO states have American anti-missiles? Or how many missiles Russia has?

Rain – Russians liberating Poland?! You’re kidding, right?

Russia is too small to take on NATO!

To Sylwia:

You are either missimformed or you just pretend to be.

I repeat: A lot of NATO countries have anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems for their own defence and protection.

But ONLY POLAND has missiles of the new american "anti-ballistic" system in the whole alliance. NO OTHER COUNTRY AT ALL - ONLY YOUR POLAND. This system consists of the missiles and the radars. The missiles were put in Poland and the radar in Czech Republic (another ex-soviet country - what a coincidence...). This is the only system that targets the russian nuclear weaponry - no other.

So, stop saying "science-fiction" claims about other countries in the alliance then. The american system that targets Russia is placed ONLY IN POLAND.

Pavlos - Poland doesn’t have one yet! The US have and they are a NATO state. Many countries are participating in the Missile Defence program – Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, the UK, the US, Poland, the Czech Republic… Are they NATO states or not?

How is it that Russia and China can have their own defence system, but others can’t?

The US withdrew from the treaty about non-development of anti-missiles systems with Russia several years ago, didn’t they? They cannot violate something that doesn’t exist.

Perhaps you don’t realize that the base in Poland is aimed against missiles shot from the Middle East or North Africa, and not Russia?

And why are you so worried about it? Are you going to attack some country with your missiles?

Pavlos,

Are you really a Greek or just Pavel, a Russian? Just blind defense of anything Russian (and oh boy the world is learning the terrible indiscriminate destruction of over 1 billion dollars they did in Georgia)make me wonder who you are. But on the other side I remember that for you the religious bond apparently overrides everything. But I stop here before I get censured. I just want to ask you one thing. How would you feel if you and your country would have gone through the same ordeal as Georgia?

Pavlos,

None of the ex-soviet satelites is a fanatic on the American side. They just know how it feels to be under the Russian boot. And abot the older members of NATO: none of them acts and feels like Greece. The others condemned the latest barbarism of imperialistic Russia except Greece, who has no value for NATO and s/b excluded.
And the 2,000 dead in South Ossetia?? Everybody knew that it was inflated by the Russians and Greeks like you. According to international organizations and local doctors it was below 100. So much for Russian propoganda.

Waw! russian propaganda at its best, if I hadn't been there myself I could've believed at liest part of what Pavel says, he is russian of course, and can't hold indignation about NATO missiles, in fact, if Georgia had one, we wouldn't turn up at where we are now. russia is a plane and worldwide agressor, and it's been preparing this war for months. I'm a Georgian soldier, when we first entered S.Ossetia, there were NO civilians, not even a single one. So how could we kill them then?