“Ossetia conflict missed opportunity”

''The analyst adds that Serbia would only have increased its chances of successful lobbying for support of its initiative in the UN General Assembly had it exposed the “hypocrisy of Bush’s statements on the need to preserve Georgia’s sovereignty, in the light of his policy towards Kosovo.''



American hypocracy was exposed long time ago and keeps on being exposed as we speak and any nation that needs clarification on this has been living under a rock for the past 100 years.

As Churkin stated, Georgia attempt at South Ossetia is the carbon copy of what Croats did to Serbs in Krajna. The differance is that Milosevic failed to send support to Serbs, and Medvedev and Putin haven't.

Support to Georgians means Serbs understand the rationale behind Storm, which is ludicrous.

If anything Government should stand behind Russia at this time, when the true terrorists and war mongerers are pointing finger at her.

"The analyst adds that Serbia would only have increased its chances of successful lobbying for support of its initiative in the UN General Assembly had it exposed the “hypocrisy of Bush’s statements on the need to preserve Georgia’s sovereignty, in the light of his policy towards Kosovo.” "

Amen, Brother.

Russia is Serbia's strongest supporter in the UN and Georgia is not an enemy but a friend of serbia. therefore Serbia is NEUTRAL on this issue.

andrea

EU is a political and economical organization, not military. NATO is the military one. Anyway, Albania is not part of any yet.

Burim Kelmendi,

Please don't attribute the traits displayed by albanian camp around this site to Serbs.
Because every other post of Albanian camp is either -

''we're indepdnet, we wont we are democracy, Serbia is stooopid for doing anything to defend itself...etc.''

or

''Serbs killed 123456765433347 million Albanians and deserve every bad thing that ever happens to them''

Therefore...please spare us.

For humanitarian purposes - where is America in Darfur, bombing away Arabs who are systematically cleaning out black Muslims...?
Why didn't America wage war on Russia, if its so concered with humanitariansm?
Or here's a better one, why doesn't America just bomb all of Palestine to smitherins...?

Even Muslims, the Ummah, don't see you as worthy of recognition, because everyone can clearly see what America is doing is for itself and itself alone.
Humanitarianism has nothing to do with that, and Albanians and their cause, have even less.

It makes sense the government was silent. Russia took the role of NATO in 1999, this might make Georgia look like Serbia.

Churkin clearly said during the Security Council meeting that Russian action was justified same as NATO action was. This makes Kosovo and South Ossetia very special cases.

Russian FM announced there should be no more discussion of Georgia's territorial integrity so that should end their argument for Kosovo.
But Serbia maybe you learned a valuable lesson those who out to take advantage of you financially do not have your other interests at heart.

I hope that Kesic knows that as upset as the US and Europe is over Russia’s actions, if Serbia opens its mouth to prove Russia’s satellite in the middle of Europe, they would no longer tolerate Serbia being the source of instability in the region. Jeremic knows that very well. The Georgian conflict might slow down the recognition, but it will make EU and US not tolerate Serbia any longer. And if Serbia thinks it’s in her interest to stay out of EU, in order to slow down the recognition with ICJ, that GOOD LUCK Serbia.

Obrad Kesic: "In principle, a Serbian statement might have irritated Moscow, but would not have provoked condemnation, except unless Russia had been insincere when affirming Georgia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” the analyst states.

DUH???

Lavrov: "One can forget about any talk about Georgia's territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state," Lavrov told reporters.

"Support to Georgians means Serbs understand the rationale behind Storm, which is ludicrous"

Its amusing how Serbs have a way of twisting facts and bending truths so that no matter what they are the victors/victims (its hard to tell what role they like more). Georgia was allegedly trying to reign in a seperatist region (Serbia claims they were doing the same in Kosova) when a much larger, more powerful country decided to intervene for humanitarian purposes (NATO/US bombing of Serbia/Kosova). If any country other than Russia had attempted to carry out an operation such as this one, Serbia would have been the most vocal opponent based on their current situation. Instead they are stuck on the sideline afraid to say something that may upset Putin and co. Based on the outcome of this conflict, Russia may totally lose credibility regarding its argument as to why Serbia should hold on to Kosova. What then? What will happen when Russia must decide between the oil fields of Abkhazia / oil pipe in South Ossentia or continuing to help Serbia hold on to Kosova?

Yes obviously..S.Ossetia e Abkazia are ..."sui generis"...

Njani wrote: "...Serbia being the source of instability in the region."

Exactly! From hence forth if Serbia dares to speak, we, the mighty military of the US and EU will crush her once again.

If you follow the international newspapers you will see that many make a connection with Kosovo. It would not help when Serbia gets involved in this discussion. On the contrary: it will the paint the people who advocate national souvereignty look like friends of Serbia - in many circles not a recommendation - and so deflect the attention from the real discussion.

Besides, both sides made faults mistakes in the present conflict. Given the scarcity of news it is rather early to give a balanced verdict. The fact that Georgia acted as aggressor certainly does not deserve support.

Serbia needs not to say anything.

USA and Russia are both loving this. "You give me Kosovo I will give you South Ossetia" the American said to the Russian.

Serbia and Georgia you are both salads that are being tossed around. There are only 4 powers on this planet; Russia, China, USA, and oil. All others can choose what side they will be on since there is nothing they will ever be able to accomplish. Georgia should have never turned their back on Russia. They did choose the wrong side and look where they are today.

" if Serbia is not consistent in its defense of international law"

are you kidding me? Serbia has been breaching international law left and right.

And Serbia doesn't dare to speak because if it says anything it brings attention to the hypocrisy of Russia's and Serbia's arguments against Kosovo.

Who's your daddy?

Russia supported Serbia in the UNSC, now Serbia cannot say a word about this situation. As you see, in the end, Russia does not care about Kosova, but her own interest.

Sorry Serbia. Play with Putin, that's what you get.

"EU is a political and economical organization, not military. NATO is the military one. Anyway, Albania is not part of any yet.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 August 2008 17:42)"

You might not know but Albania is recently accepted into NATO, which brings the next point.

If ever Russia annexes, those two provinces of Georgia, then theres is an open road for Albania to "annex" Kosova.
Theoretically this might be possible and that means Kosova will also be under NATO, as a province of Albania, and also a member of UN.

We are watching Russia's next move!!

andrea: you´d very likely see that happen, but let me assure you, Serbia won´t be crushed. not by NATO, neither the EU nor any other side... those times are over. the next armed conflict will very likely be started by Albanians and ended by the serbian army in cooperation with other sovereign countries.

sebastian:
as far as I see it you are speaking of something you don´t really know much about.

Serbia stands on the side of international law. that is a hard fact, my dear.

and while Serbia stands on the rock-hard soil of international law, the K-albanians are like a cork rolling through the waves...
you will fail, it´s just inevitable, even if you write a thousand times that it is "a done deal" and other nonsense.

miri:
Albania will not "annex" Kosovo, since they know very well what that would automatically mean. Kosovo is warmly embedded in UNSC 1244 and that´s something that will create nightmares for your greater-albanian illusionary friends here in the future...

Kosovo is serbian sovereign territory, reaffirmed by a UNSC-resolution what is perfect for Serbia, we have only to wait, so to speak.

times change, UNSC-resolutions don´t.

but, don´t you worry about that, you will have autonomy and that´s it then.

greater Albanian was never achievable.

andrea wrote "Exactly! From hence forth if Serbia dares to speak, we, the mighty military of the US and EU will crush her once again."

We know, you only attack weaker and smaller countries... that sayd a lot aobut you, why don't you attack Russia? Oh because you are afraid to your teeth and you would be put right in your place. america is nothing but an occupier, they are occupying part o Serbia right now.

miri

You see? There is something that Albanians can be thankful to Russia for ;)! Like I said earlier as well, Russia shot itself in the foot with the magnitude of their operations against Georgia, which I cannot see as developing into anything other than the partial recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as Russia has shown their respect for international law to be highly subjective when it comes to their interpretation.

Kesic analysis is interesting and of course there is a dilemma for Serbia how to exploit the situation Kosovo/Georgia without annoying Russia, Europe and the USA. However there is a clear consistent opportunity for Jeremic to express his genuine disappointment about the recent Russian proposal to give South Ossetia the same status as Kosovo as the latter's status is against
international Law. Serbia could call for a pan-slav Conference to boost International Law and discuss Georgia & Kosovo among Slav countries only in Sveti Stefan for example. Jeremic could show he wants to be a diplomat of the size of Ivo Andric! Lets do it.

"Support to Georgians means Serbs understand the rationale behind Storm, which is ludicrous"

Its amusing how Serbs have a way of twisting facts and bending truths so that no matter what they are the victors/victims (its hard to tell what role they like more). Georgia was allegedly trying to reign in a seperatist region (Serbia claims they were doing the same in Kosova) when a much larger, more powerful country decided to intervene for humanitarian purposes (NATO/US bombing of Serbia/Kosova). If any country other than Russia had attempted to carry out an operation such as this one, Serbia would have been the most vocal opponent based on their current situation. Instead they are stuck on the sideline afraid to say something that may upset Putin and co. Based on the outcome of this conflict, Russia may totally lose credibility regarding its argument as to why Serbia should hold on to Kosova. What then? What will happen when Russia must decide between the oil fields of Abkhazia / oil pipe in South Ossentia or continuing to help Serbia hold on to Kosova?

" if Serbia is not consistent in its defense of international law"

are you kidding me? Serbia has been breaching international law left and right.

And Serbia doesn't dare to speak because if it says anything it brings attention to the hypocrisy of Russia's and Serbia's arguments against Kosovo.

I hope that Kesic knows that as upset as the US and Europe is over Russia’s actions, if Serbia opens its mouth to prove Russia’s satellite in the middle of Europe, they would no longer tolerate Serbia being the source of instability in the region. Jeremic knows that very well. The Georgian conflict might slow down the recognition, but it will make EU and US not tolerate Serbia any longer. And if Serbia thinks it’s in her interest to stay out of EU, in order to slow down the recognition with ICJ, that GOOD LUCK Serbia.

Njani wrote: "...Serbia being the source of instability in the region."

Exactly! From hence forth if Serbia dares to speak, we, the mighty military of the US and EU will crush her once again.

Who's your daddy?

Russia supported Serbia in the UNSC, now Serbia cannot say a word about this situation. As you see, in the end, Russia does not care about Kosova, but her own interest.

Sorry Serbia. Play with Putin, that's what you get.

"EU is a political and economical organization, not military. NATO is the military one. Anyway, Albania is not part of any yet.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 August 2008 17:42)"

You might not know but Albania is recently accepted into NATO, which brings the next point.

If ever Russia annexes, those two provinces of Georgia, then theres is an open road for Albania to "annex" Kosova.
Theoretically this might be possible and that means Kosova will also be under NATO, as a province of Albania, and also a member of UN.

We are watching Russia's next move!!

Russian FM announced there should be no more discussion of Georgia's territorial integrity so that should end their argument for Kosovo.
But Serbia maybe you learned a valuable lesson those who out to take advantage of you financially do not have your other interests at heart.

Obrad Kesic: "In principle, a Serbian statement might have irritated Moscow, but would not have provoked condemnation, except unless Russia had been insincere when affirming Georgia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” the analyst states.

DUH???

Lavrov: "One can forget about any talk about Georgia's territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state," Lavrov told reporters.

''The analyst adds that Serbia would only have increased its chances of successful lobbying for support of its initiative in the UN General Assembly had it exposed the “hypocrisy of Bush’s statements on the need to preserve Georgia’s sovereignty, in the light of his policy towards Kosovo.''



American hypocracy was exposed long time ago and keeps on being exposed as we speak and any nation that needs clarification on this has been living under a rock for the past 100 years.

As Churkin stated, Georgia attempt at South Ossetia is the carbon copy of what Croats did to Serbs in Krajna. The differance is that Milosevic failed to send support to Serbs, and Medvedev and Putin haven't.

Support to Georgians means Serbs understand the rationale behind Storm, which is ludicrous.

If anything Government should stand behind Russia at this time, when the true terrorists and war mongerers are pointing finger at her.

Burim Kelmendi,

Please don't attribute the traits displayed by albanian camp around this site to Serbs.
Because every other post of Albanian camp is either -

''we're indepdnet, we wont we are democracy, Serbia is stooopid for doing anything to defend itself...etc.''

or

''Serbs killed 123456765433347 million Albanians and deserve every bad thing that ever happens to them''

Therefore...please spare us.

For humanitarian purposes - where is America in Darfur, bombing away Arabs who are systematically cleaning out black Muslims...?
Why didn't America wage war on Russia, if its so concered with humanitariansm?
Or here's a better one, why doesn't America just bomb all of Palestine to smitherins...?

Even Muslims, the Ummah, don't see you as worthy of recognition, because everyone can clearly see what America is doing is for itself and itself alone.
Humanitarianism has nothing to do with that, and Albanians and their cause, have even less.

miri

You see? There is something that Albanians can be thankful to Russia for ;)! Like I said earlier as well, Russia shot itself in the foot with the magnitude of their operations against Georgia, which I cannot see as developing into anything other than the partial recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as Russia has shown their respect for international law to be highly subjective when it comes to their interpretation.

It makes sense the government was silent. Russia took the role of NATO in 1999, this might make Georgia look like Serbia.

Churkin clearly said during the Security Council meeting that Russian action was justified same as NATO action was. This makes Kosovo and South Ossetia very special cases.

Yes obviously..S.Ossetia e Abkazia are ..."sui generis"...

"The analyst adds that Serbia would only have increased its chances of successful lobbying for support of its initiative in the UN General Assembly had it exposed the “hypocrisy of Bush’s statements on the need to preserve Georgia’s sovereignty, in the light of his policy towards Kosovo.” "

Amen, Brother.

andrea

EU is a political and economical organization, not military. NATO is the military one. Anyway, Albania is not part of any yet.

Russia is Serbia's strongest supporter in the UN and Georgia is not an enemy but a friend of serbia. therefore Serbia is NEUTRAL on this issue.

If you follow the international newspapers you will see that many make a connection with Kosovo. It would not help when Serbia gets involved in this discussion. On the contrary: it will the paint the people who advocate national souvereignty look like friends of Serbia - in many circles not a recommendation - and so deflect the attention from the real discussion.

Besides, both sides made faults mistakes in the present conflict. Given the scarcity of news it is rather early to give a balanced verdict. The fact that Georgia acted as aggressor certainly does not deserve support.

Serbia needs not to say anything.

USA and Russia are both loving this. "You give me Kosovo I will give you South Ossetia" the American said to the Russian.

Serbia and Georgia you are both salads that are being tossed around. There are only 4 powers on this planet; Russia, China, USA, and oil. All others can choose what side they will be on since there is nothing they will ever be able to accomplish. Georgia should have never turned their back on Russia. They did choose the wrong side and look where they are today.

andrea: you´d very likely see that happen, but let me assure you, Serbia won´t be crushed. not by NATO, neither the EU nor any other side... those times are over. the next armed conflict will very likely be started by Albanians and ended by the serbian army in cooperation with other sovereign countries.

sebastian:
as far as I see it you are speaking of something you don´t really know much about.

Serbia stands on the side of international law. that is a hard fact, my dear.

and while Serbia stands on the rock-hard soil of international law, the K-albanians are like a cork rolling through the waves...
you will fail, it´s just inevitable, even if you write a thousand times that it is "a done deal" and other nonsense.

miri:
Albania will not "annex" Kosovo, since they know very well what that would automatically mean. Kosovo is warmly embedded in UNSC 1244 and that´s something that will create nightmares for your greater-albanian illusionary friends here in the future...

Kosovo is serbian sovereign territory, reaffirmed by a UNSC-resolution what is perfect for Serbia, we have only to wait, so to speak.

times change, UNSC-resolutions don´t.

but, don´t you worry about that, you will have autonomy and that´s it then.

greater Albanian was never achievable.

andrea wrote "Exactly! From hence forth if Serbia dares to speak, we, the mighty military of the US and EU will crush her once again."

We know, you only attack weaker and smaller countries... that sayd a lot aobut you, why don't you attack Russia? Oh because you are afraid to your teeth and you would be put right in your place. america is nothing but an occupier, they are occupying part o Serbia right now.

Kesic analysis is interesting and of course there is a dilemma for Serbia how to exploit the situation Kosovo/Georgia without annoying Russia, Europe and the USA. However there is a clear consistent opportunity for Jeremic to express his genuine disappointment about the recent Russian proposal to give South Ossetia the same status as Kosovo as the latter's status is against
international Law. Serbia could call for a pan-slav Conference to boost International Law and discuss Georgia & Kosovo among Slav countries only in Sveti Stefan for example. Jeremic could show he wants to be a diplomat of the size of Ivo Andric! Lets do it.