If Georgia did not have any power for many years in Abkhazia & S. Ossetia, why they should be part of Gaorgia at all??? Let them have independent countries, but unfortunately they have Russia as a neighbour that will not leave them to run their country as they should. Good luck Abkhazia & Ossetia.
Mike,
Think again. I realize for an American it's hard to imagine that two countries, Serbia and Russia, can actually be friends and brothers regardless of interests. But that is exactly how it is.
You are completely misreading the situation. Russia is playing the west like a Stradivarius, and Russia is in a win-win situation here. They bring up Kosovo to remind the west of their illegal and immoral recognition of a fake state. They bring up independence for South Ossetia and Abkhazia to remind them that they can do the same thing if the west does not rescind its recognition of Kosovo.
Now here is the key - Republika Srpska! Moscow will be the first major country to recognize Republika Srpska if international law is thrown into the garbage. Serbs and Russians both win, in any scenario here. We either get all of Kosovo, or north Kosovo and Republika Srpska. The Yanks are going to have to realize that anti-Serbian double standards, and giving only certain groups the right to self-determination, will not work and is not fooling anyone.
Cheers!!
It looks very much like the new Cold War started with camerade Putin. Well the West was the big victor of the first one. It will be even a bigger victor of this second one. The following article, "back to URSS" spells it out so clearly and accurately:
[link]
sr_124230.htm
(Joe, 14 August 2008 15:25)
Wrong.
1) there is no new Cold War, the old one is not finished yet.
2) Putin obviously could not start somewhat what is still going on.
3) So far I see "West" losing on all fronts. Proof: jasmine rice is being sold not just in big grocery stores across USA, you can buy it at Metro discount chain in Germany. Not in Hungary or Serbia (yet), but they won't resist for long.
Otherwise go to Belgrade, buy the typical Serbian souvenir (opanak, in Hungarian: "bocskor"), look at the bocskor/opanak where it was made and scratch your head. (Hint: jasmine rice)
I see Deng Xiaoping being one of the greatest politicians of recent history. He laid down the fundament of the victory over the West. There is nothing new: during the written human history only in recent 500 years out of probably 8000 China was behind the West. Deng did not do much, he just put things back, where they used to be in 7500 years out of 8000.
The article you provided the link was written by a guy who as well could be Putin's best man. He is John O'Sullivan, executive editor of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, funded by the government of USA. After reading this collection of "wisdoms" I wonder, why we need to pay him from our taxes. He would better work at McDonald's and flip hamburgers.
Few "gems" from his writing.... :(
1) In vain, did USA ensure Russia that the missile shield is against "some rogue states of big Tyrannia". This guy seem to work against own government since he said:
"Even lesser Russian actions invite serious political responses. The central Europeans angered by the Georgian crisis might immediately accept the US missile-defense system that Putin vehemently opposes."
All Russians need is just copy-paste his writing and provide it as a proof of American lies. Is he insane?
2) "the Russian army relies increasingly on Chechens" (Wow!, esp. on Shamil Basayev!) This is really a gem. He was probably confused by many muslim names in Russian army. For beginners: Kavkaz is a multi-ethnic area, the recruited soldiers are kept locally.
3) "the West could increase the economic price of South Ossetia to Russia by rejecting Russian passports held by South Ossetians as invalid for travel"
"The Kremlin would then be left managing an impoverished, troublesome and money-hungry province." (yep, the Ossetian shepherd cannot travel to Ibiza, so this is why Ossetia would be impoverished)
4) " If Russia is morphing into another USSR, then the West must defend the post-Cold War international structure and the independence of post-communist nations against Putin's neo-imperialism."
Indirect implies: Russia is going to be an other USSR, USSR was broken down by western victory (BS, of course, but let's assume) - hence: "BREAK DOWN RUSSIA. NOW!" (my comment: what an idiot. This guy is whom Putin is waiting for. Does he work for Putin in secret? Could be...)
5) "Yet the sight of Russian tanks trundling through Georgian territory - 40 years after the invasion of Czechoslovakia - has awakened all the old memories of Soviet brutality"
Did he follow the conflict or he is following his own rethoric?
6) I like this one:
*In recent years, the Russian state has (...snip...) Assisted secessionist rebels in neighboring states in order to keep their newly independent governments off balance."
I know, he wanted to say "Ossetia" but misspelled it and it turned out to be "Kosovo".
Putin is a cool-blooded political chess player and in "good old" tradition of "his" KGB, the number of lives lost on any side does not matter for him. But unlike John O'Sullivan Putin is not an idiot. And much more dangerous.
If things go this way, as Lavrov points out, I think K-albanians should have a Vladimir Putin Bulevard in Prishtina also, something to intersect Bill Clinton Bulevard.
Have to agree that this turn of events is a mixed blessing, at best, for Serbia. The ascent of Serbia’s ally and historical international protector is incureging, but the possibility of Russia using Kosovo as a precident is destresing. Indeed, the Russians have already used the NATO attack on Yogoslvia (and not Iraq) as precident and justification for extending hostilities beyond the area of immediate conflict in Ossetia. Lavrov and Medvedev have said that they are now supporting Ossetia’s and Abkhazia’s aspirations of independence, but only in the context of the UN – lets hope they indeed can resist the temptation Washington did not.
I support the territorial integrity of both Georgia and Serbia. If Russia is now pushing for the dismemberment of Georgia, Serbia's biggest partner in defending her own territorial integrity just pulled a 180 and left her at the altar. Again.
If S. Ossetia and Abkhazia are now destined for independence, there can be no further reason to halt the independence of Kosovo. It's in Serbia's interests to demand to see Russia's cards.
It looks very much like the new Cold War started with camerade Putin. Well the West was the big victor of the first one. It will be even a bigger victor of this second one. The following article, "back to URSS" spells it out so clearly and accurately:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/back_in_the_us
sr_124230.htm
From what I can judge the Russian reaction to the Georgian aggression has been firm but reasonable. More importantly it was also fairly in line with international law. Russia has not presented any claims on Georgian territory, which makes their actions more in line with international law than the "western" actions in Serbia.
From what I can judge the Russian reaction to the Georgian aggression has been firm but reasonable. More importantly it was also fairly in line with international law. Russia has not presented any claims on Georgian territory, which makes their actions more in line with international law than the "western" actions in Serbia.
I support the territorial integrity of both Georgia and Serbia. If Russia is now pushing for the dismemberment of Georgia, Serbia's biggest partner in defending her own territorial integrity just pulled a 180 and left her at the altar. Again.
If S. Ossetia and Abkhazia are now destined for independence, there can be no further reason to halt the independence of Kosovo. It's in Serbia's interests to demand to see Russia's cards.
If things go this way, as Lavrov points out, I think K-albanians should have a Vladimir Putin Bulevard in Prishtina also, something to intersect Bill Clinton Bulevard.
Mike,
Think again. I realize for an American it's hard to imagine that two countries, Serbia and Russia, can actually be friends and brothers regardless of interests. But that is exactly how it is.
You are completely misreading the situation. Russia is playing the west like a Stradivarius, and Russia is in a win-win situation here. They bring up Kosovo to remind the west of their illegal and immoral recognition of a fake state. They bring up independence for South Ossetia and Abkhazia to remind them that they can do the same thing if the west does not rescind its recognition of Kosovo.
Now here is the key - Republika Srpska! Moscow will be the first major country to recognize Republika Srpska if international law is thrown into the garbage. Serbs and Russians both win, in any scenario here. We either get all of Kosovo, or north Kosovo and Republika Srpska. The Yanks are going to have to realize that anti-Serbian double standards, and giving only certain groups the right to self-determination, will not work and is not fooling anyone.
Cheers!!
It looks very much like the new Cold War started with camerade Putin. Well the West was the big victor of the first one. It will be even a bigger victor of this second one. The following article, "back to URSS" spells it out so clearly and accurately:
[link]
sr_124230.htm
(Joe, 14 August 2008 15:25)
Wrong.
1) there is no new Cold War, the old one is not finished yet.
2) Putin obviously could not start somewhat what is still going on.
3) So far I see "West" losing on all fronts. Proof: jasmine rice is being sold not just in big grocery stores across USA, you can buy it at Metro discount chain in Germany. Not in Hungary or Serbia (yet), but they won't resist for long.
Otherwise go to Belgrade, buy the typical Serbian souvenir (opanak, in Hungarian: "bocskor"), look at the bocskor/opanak where it was made and scratch your head. (Hint: jasmine rice)
I see Deng Xiaoping being one of the greatest politicians of recent history. He laid down the fundament of the victory over the West. There is nothing new: during the written human history only in recent 500 years out of probably 8000 China was behind the West. Deng did not do much, he just put things back, where they used to be in 7500 years out of 8000.
The article you provided the link was written by a guy who as well could be Putin's best man. He is John O'Sullivan, executive editor of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, funded by the government of USA. After reading this collection of "wisdoms" I wonder, why we need to pay him from our taxes. He would better work at McDonald's and flip hamburgers.
Few "gems" from his writing.... :(
1) In vain, did USA ensure Russia that the missile shield is against "some rogue states of big Tyrannia". This guy seem to work against own government since he said:
"Even lesser Russian actions invite serious political responses. The central Europeans angered by the Georgian crisis might immediately accept the US missile-defense system that Putin vehemently opposes."
All Russians need is just copy-paste his writing and provide it as a proof of American lies. Is he insane?
2) "the Russian army relies increasingly on Chechens" (Wow!, esp. on Shamil Basayev!) This is really a gem. He was probably confused by many muslim names in Russian army. For beginners: Kavkaz is a multi-ethnic area, the recruited soldiers are kept locally.
3) "the West could increase the economic price of South Ossetia to Russia by rejecting Russian passports held by South Ossetians as invalid for travel"
"The Kremlin would then be left managing an impoverished, troublesome and money-hungry province." (yep, the Ossetian shepherd cannot travel to Ibiza, so this is why Ossetia would be impoverished)
4) " If Russia is morphing into another USSR, then the West must defend the post-Cold War international structure and the independence of post-communist nations against Putin's neo-imperialism."
Indirect implies: Russia is going to be an other USSR, USSR was broken down by western victory (BS, of course, but let's assume) - hence: "BREAK DOWN RUSSIA. NOW!" (my comment: what an idiot. This guy is whom Putin is waiting for. Does he work for Putin in secret? Could be...)
5) "Yet the sight of Russian tanks trundling through Georgian territory - 40 years after the invasion of Czechoslovakia - has awakened all the old memories of Soviet brutality"
Did he follow the conflict or he is following his own rethoric?
6) I like this one:
*In recent years, the Russian state has (...snip...) Assisted secessionist rebels in neighboring states in order to keep their newly independent governments off balance."
I know, he wanted to say "Ossetia" but misspelled it and it turned out to be "Kosovo".
Putin is a cool-blooded political chess player and in "good old" tradition of "his" KGB, the number of lives lost on any side does not matter for him. But unlike John O'Sullivan Putin is not an idiot. And much more dangerous.
If Georgia did not have any power for many years in Abkhazia & S. Ossetia, why they should be part of Gaorgia at all??? Let them have independent countries, but unfortunately they have Russia as a neighbour that will not leave them to run their country as they should. Good luck Abkhazia & Ossetia.
It looks very much like the new Cold War started with camerade Putin. Well the West was the big victor of the first one. It will be even a bigger victor of this second one. The following article, "back to URSS" spells it out so clearly and accurately:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/back_in_the_us
sr_124230.htm
Have to agree that this turn of events is a mixed blessing, at best, for Serbia. The ascent of Serbia’s ally and historical international protector is incureging, but the possibility of Russia using Kosovo as a precident is destresing. Indeed, the Russians have already used the NATO attack on Yogoslvia (and not Iraq) as precident and justification for extending hostilities beyond the area of immediate conflict in Ossetia. Lavrov and Medvedev have said that they are now supporting Ossetia’s and Abkhazia’s aspirations of independence, but only in the context of the UN – lets hope they indeed can resist the temptation Washington did not.
From what I can judge the Russian reaction to the Georgian aggression has been firm but reasonable. More importantly it was also fairly in line with international law. Russia has not presented any claims on Georgian territory, which makes their actions more in line with international law than the "western" actions in Serbia.
It looks very much like the new Cold War started with camerade Putin. Well the West was the big victor of the first one. It will be even a bigger victor of this second one. The following article, "back to URSS" spells it out so clearly and accurately:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/back_in_the_us
sr_124230.htm
I support the territorial integrity of both Georgia and Serbia. If Russia is now pushing for the dismemberment of Georgia, Serbia's biggest partner in defending her own territorial integrity just pulled a 180 and left her at the altar. Again.
If S. Ossetia and Abkhazia are now destined for independence, there can be no further reason to halt the independence of Kosovo. It's in Serbia's interests to demand to see Russia's cards.
If things go this way, as Lavrov points out, I think K-albanians should have a Vladimir Putin Bulevard in Prishtina also, something to intersect Bill Clinton Bulevard.
Have to agree that this turn of events is a mixed blessing, at best, for Serbia. The ascent of Serbia’s ally and historical international protector is incureging, but the possibility of Russia using Kosovo as a precident is destresing. Indeed, the Russians have already used the NATO attack on Yogoslvia (and not Iraq) as precident and justification for extending hostilities beyond the area of immediate conflict in Ossetia. Lavrov and Medvedev have said that they are now supporting Ossetia’s and Abkhazia’s aspirations of independence, but only in the context of the UN – lets hope they indeed can resist the temptation Washington did not.
It looks very much like the new Cold War started with camerade Putin. Well the West was the big victor of the first one. It will be even a bigger victor of this second one. The following article, "back to URSS" spells it out so clearly and accurately:
[link]
sr_124230.htm
(Joe, 14 August 2008 15:25)
Wrong.
1) there is no new Cold War, the old one is not finished yet.
2) Putin obviously could not start somewhat what is still going on.
3) So far I see "West" losing on all fronts. Proof: jasmine rice is being sold not just in big grocery stores across USA, you can buy it at Metro discount chain in Germany. Not in Hungary or Serbia (yet), but they won't resist for long.
Otherwise go to Belgrade, buy the typical Serbian souvenir (opanak, in Hungarian: "bocskor"), look at the bocskor/opanak where it was made and scratch your head. (Hint: jasmine rice)
I see Deng Xiaoping being one of the greatest politicians of recent history. He laid down the fundament of the victory over the West. There is nothing new: during the written human history only in recent 500 years out of probably 8000 China was behind the West. Deng did not do much, he just put things back, where they used to be in 7500 years out of 8000.
The article you provided the link was written by a guy who as well could be Putin's best man. He is John O'Sullivan, executive editor of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, funded by the government of USA. After reading this collection of "wisdoms" I wonder, why we need to pay him from our taxes. He would better work at McDonald's and flip hamburgers.
Few "gems" from his writing.... :(
1) In vain, did USA ensure Russia that the missile shield is against "some rogue states of big Tyrannia". This guy seem to work against own government since he said:
"Even lesser Russian actions invite serious political responses. The central Europeans angered by the Georgian crisis might immediately accept the US missile-defense system that Putin vehemently opposes."
All Russians need is just copy-paste his writing and provide it as a proof of American lies. Is he insane?
2) "the Russian army relies increasingly on Chechens" (Wow!, esp. on Shamil Basayev!) This is really a gem. He was probably confused by many muslim names in Russian army. For beginners: Kavkaz is a multi-ethnic area, the recruited soldiers are kept locally.
3) "the West could increase the economic price of South Ossetia to Russia by rejecting Russian passports held by South Ossetians as invalid for travel"
"The Kremlin would then be left managing an impoverished, troublesome and money-hungry province." (yep, the Ossetian shepherd cannot travel to Ibiza, so this is why Ossetia would be impoverished)
4) " If Russia is morphing into another USSR, then the West must defend the post-Cold War international structure and the independence of post-communist nations against Putin's neo-imperialism."
Indirect implies: Russia is going to be an other USSR, USSR was broken down by western victory (BS, of course, but let's assume) - hence: "BREAK DOWN RUSSIA. NOW!" (my comment: what an idiot. This guy is whom Putin is waiting for. Does he work for Putin in secret? Could be...)
5) "Yet the sight of Russian tanks trundling through Georgian territory - 40 years after the invasion of Czechoslovakia - has awakened all the old memories of Soviet brutality"
Did he follow the conflict or he is following his own rethoric?
6) I like this one:
*In recent years, the Russian state has (...snip...) Assisted secessionist rebels in neighboring states in order to keep their newly independent governments off balance."
I know, he wanted to say "Ossetia" but misspelled it and it turned out to be "Kosovo".
Putin is a cool-blooded political chess player and in "good old" tradition of "his" KGB, the number of lives lost on any side does not matter for him. But unlike John O'Sullivan Putin is not an idiot. And much more dangerous.
Mike,
Think again. I realize for an American it's hard to imagine that two countries, Serbia and Russia, can actually be friends and brothers regardless of interests. But that is exactly how it is.
You are completely misreading the situation. Russia is playing the west like a Stradivarius, and Russia is in a win-win situation here. They bring up Kosovo to remind the west of their illegal and immoral recognition of a fake state. They bring up independence for South Ossetia and Abkhazia to remind them that they can do the same thing if the west does not rescind its recognition of Kosovo.
Now here is the key - Republika Srpska! Moscow will be the first major country to recognize Republika Srpska if international law is thrown into the garbage. Serbs and Russians both win, in any scenario here. We either get all of Kosovo, or north Kosovo and Republika Srpska. The Yanks are going to have to realize that anti-Serbian double standards, and giving only certain groups the right to self-determination, will not work and is not fooling anyone.
Cheers!!
If Georgia did not have any power for many years in Abkhazia & S. Ossetia, why they should be part of Gaorgia at all??? Let them have independent countries, but unfortunately they have Russia as a neighbour that will not leave them to run their country as they should. Good luck Abkhazia & Ossetia.
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