The argument that Kosova and South Ossetia are "one in the same" is absurd, and those that spread the propaganda know this, but spread it anyway to convince the uninformed and those that don't think twice about what they hear.
To understand why these cases are completely different, I implore you to read the following article which provides an analysis of the situation.
It is interesting to see that no Serbian here, and no Serbian supporter condemns the actions of Russia in Georgia.
We have an independent state (Georgia) and an autonomous region with it (South Ossetia). We have the independet state attacking through its military the autonomous region. We have a the Russian federation that attacks the the independent state as a result in order to punish it. We also have the Serbs and Serb supporters cheering Russia. Now lets look at the other side of the coin.
We have an independent state (Serbia), attacking its autonomous region (Kosova) militarily. We have an alliance of states that attacks the independent state Serbia in order to punish it.
Now here it is where it gets interesting. Serbs and Serb supporters scream and shout how wrong NATO was to bomb Serbia but also how right Russia is to bomb Georgia.
Now if you wanna play the game of the righteous or the principle ones you better play it right or else you are just a bunch of hypocrites, no better then those you accuse of being hypocrites or playing double standards.
When the US and various EU countries recognised the "independence" of Kosovo they were effectively throwing away the rule book governing international relations. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
If the US knew all along that Russia would block Kosovo's path to legitimate statehood, and thus necessitate Pristina's continued reliance and dependence on the West, like a colony to a mother country, then US strategy worked out perfectly, and this illusion of independence remains little more than an illusion.
However if US officials honestly believed that Kosovo would not set a precedence, and that Russian obstacles would not be much of a problem, then my country's policymakers need to be sacked. Literally stuffed in sacks and beaten with Nerf balls for their stupidity and shortsightedness.
"Amazing - actually find myself agreeing with something coming out of Washington."
He-he. Well, I am not surprised. The Cato Institute is an independent (whatever that means!) think-tank. They have a great web-site ( http://www.cato.org/ ), and they regularly send out analyses and reports by e-mail to anyone who is interested ( http://www.cato.org/ecommunity/index.php ).
speaking of Russia, many Albanians here never fail to mention Chechnya. Well, get you facts straight first - by talking ot Chechens actually living in Chechnya e.g - instead of reading US-sponsored media.
Not only Chechens have never been taken autonomy away or reduced in rights by Russians after breakup of SU - but majority of Chechen general population would much rather stay under secular Russia rather than under heavily Islamic, Wahhabi mafia-type "rebels" like Basyev, or Maskhadov, or Zakayev, so much praised and naturally supported by US (and, naturally, by all "enlightend West" licking Uncle Sam's most enlightened place). "Free Ichkeria" (that is how Chechnya was called during their period of independence from 1996 to 1999, before they started to launch invasions in neighbouring Russia) was just another pet project of US, much like the "Democratic Georgia". Naturally neither has anything to do nor with freedom neiother with democracy, only with US interests in the region. And interestingly enough, both ended up as just Russophobic proxy creating troubles on Russia's borders. And in both cases - in Chechnya and in Georgia - troubles with Russia were formented and supported by US, and both lost when they got too much on Russia's nerves, regardless of all howling from their Western sponsors. Like old Russian saying goes - for Russian it takes long time to harness the horsde, but they ride fast.
Now about Kosovo - another pet US project, brewed on blood and war and suffering for the sake of "democratic values" (why is that Wesetrn visioon democracy is like some bloodthirsty tribal goddess, talk peace but always goes to war ?). Much like with Chechens, the trouble was formented by US proxy KLA - also invoved in drug, prostition and criems, also supported, armed and put in action by league of "peace-loving democracies". In difference with Chechnya though, KLA had large support amongst majority of Kosovo Albanians - and those who did not want to get along were coerced, intimidated and just kicked out of Kosovo. Quite obviously, in this case Albaninas would not want to live under Serbia - and the future will show the wisdom of these aspirations - but I always thought in this situation the best solution would be the partition - south goes to Albania, North goes to Serbia. BTW, why you albos are so adamant to force Kosovo Serbs to live in your half-recognized mini-state ? Serbs hate living under you as much as you hated living under Serbs. So all you reasons for "liberating from Serbia's tyranny" perfectly apply to Kosovo Serbs's case agians being part of Kosovo. Why forcing on other the same thing you hate yourself ?
This means international law is finally ruined. That also means it makes absolutely no difference if countries recognize Kosovo or not. Serbia should start getting it's military in shape and just take it by force. The rules are gone. Just take it. Uncle Sam is bankrupt and will soon leave.
"Kosovo independence, Moscow warned that the Kosovo precedent could be applied to numerous situations around the world, and Russian officials specifically cited South Ossetia and Abkhazia,"
Bu Russia and this expert forget about Chechnya. Any coments on that from teh Russian side???
Anyhow SO and Kosova in princilpe (but not in cultural, historical or any other way) have similarities.
To both of them teh central Gov.t want to impose with force their rule: Tbilisi and Belgrade. (because you wanted for that);)
Amazing - actually find myself agreeing with something coming out of Washington.
> "Western officials absurdly argued that the Kosovo situation was unique and would set no precedent. They have now found out differently," Carpenter told Tanjug.
The US never intended to have a compromise over Kosovo in the first instance. They stated clearly that they would recognise Kosovo during the UN sponsored "negotiations". These two conflicts could be just the start of a wider global upheaval.
Maybe that's what the US and EU intended!
If it is, then there could be more trouble in the Balkans, in Serbia (southern Serbia and Kosovo), Bosnia and Macedonia, etc,etc.
better dust down those Kalashnikovs in preparation
When the US and various EU countries recognised the "independence" of Kosovo they were effectively throwing away the rule book governing international relations. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
Amazing - actually find myself agreeing with something coming out of Washington.
> "Western officials absurdly argued that the Kosovo situation was unique and would set no precedent. They have now found out differently," Carpenter told Tanjug.
speaking of Russia, many Albanians here never fail to mention Chechnya. Well, get you facts straight first - by talking ot Chechens actually living in Chechnya e.g - instead of reading US-sponsored media.
Not only Chechens have never been taken autonomy away or reduced in rights by Russians after breakup of SU - but majority of Chechen general population would much rather stay under secular Russia rather than under heavily Islamic, Wahhabi mafia-type "rebels" like Basyev, or Maskhadov, or Zakayev, so much praised and naturally supported by US (and, naturally, by all "enlightend West" licking Uncle Sam's most enlightened place). "Free Ichkeria" (that is how Chechnya was called during their period of independence from 1996 to 1999, before they started to launch invasions in neighbouring Russia) was just another pet project of US, much like the "Democratic Georgia". Naturally neither has anything to do nor with freedom neiother with democracy, only with US interests in the region. And interestingly enough, both ended up as just Russophobic proxy creating troubles on Russia's borders. And in both cases - in Chechnya and in Georgia - troubles with Russia were formented and supported by US, and both lost when they got too much on Russia's nerves, regardless of all howling from their Western sponsors. Like old Russian saying goes - for Russian it takes long time to harness the horsde, but they ride fast.
Now about Kosovo - another pet US project, brewed on blood and war and suffering for the sake of "democratic values" (why is that Wesetrn visioon democracy is like some bloodthirsty tribal goddess, talk peace but always goes to war ?). Much like with Chechens, the trouble was formented by US proxy KLA - also invoved in drug, prostition and criems, also supported, armed and put in action by league of "peace-loving democracies". In difference with Chechnya though, KLA had large support amongst majority of Kosovo Albanians - and those who did not want to get along were coerced, intimidated and just kicked out of Kosovo. Quite obviously, in this case Albaninas would not want to live under Serbia - and the future will show the wisdom of these aspirations - but I always thought in this situation the best solution would be the partition - south goes to Albania, North goes to Serbia. BTW, why you albos are so adamant to force Kosovo Serbs to live in your half-recognized mini-state ? Serbs hate living under you as much as you hated living under Serbs. So all you reasons for "liberating from Serbia's tyranny" perfectly apply to Kosovo Serbs's case agians being part of Kosovo. Why forcing on other the same thing you hate yourself ?
This means international law is finally ruined. That also means it makes absolutely no difference if countries recognize Kosovo or not. Serbia should start getting it's military in shape and just take it by force. The rules are gone. Just take it. Uncle Sam is bankrupt and will soon leave.
The US never intended to have a compromise over Kosovo in the first instance. They stated clearly that they would recognise Kosovo during the UN sponsored "negotiations". These two conflicts could be just the start of a wider global upheaval.
Maybe that's what the US and EU intended!
If it is, then there could be more trouble in the Balkans, in Serbia (southern Serbia and Kosovo), Bosnia and Macedonia, etc,etc.
better dust down those Kalashnikovs in preparation
If the US knew all along that Russia would block Kosovo's path to legitimate statehood, and thus necessitate Pristina's continued reliance and dependence on the West, like a colony to a mother country, then US strategy worked out perfectly, and this illusion of independence remains little more than an illusion.
However if US officials honestly believed that Kosovo would not set a precedence, and that Russian obstacles would not be much of a problem, then my country's policymakers need to be sacked. Literally stuffed in sacks and beaten with Nerf balls for their stupidity and shortsightedness.
"Amazing - actually find myself agreeing with something coming out of Washington."
He-he. Well, I am not surprised. The Cato Institute is an independent (whatever that means!) think-tank. They have a great web-site ( http://www.cato.org/ ), and they regularly send out analyses and reports by e-mail to anyone who is interested ( http://www.cato.org/ecommunity/index.php ).
"Kosovo independence, Moscow warned that the Kosovo precedent could be applied to numerous situations around the world, and Russian officials specifically cited South Ossetia and Abkhazia,"
Bu Russia and this expert forget about Chechnya. Any coments on that from teh Russian side???
Anyhow SO and Kosova in princilpe (but not in cultural, historical or any other way) have similarities.
To both of them teh central Gov.t want to impose with force their rule: Tbilisi and Belgrade. (because you wanted for that);)
It is interesting to see that no Serbian here, and no Serbian supporter condemns the actions of Russia in Georgia.
We have an independent state (Georgia) and an autonomous region with it (South Ossetia). We have the independet state attacking through its military the autonomous region. We have a the Russian federation that attacks the the independent state as a result in order to punish it. We also have the Serbs and Serb supporters cheering Russia. Now lets look at the other side of the coin.
We have an independent state (Serbia), attacking its autonomous region (Kosova) militarily. We have an alliance of states that attacks the independent state Serbia in order to punish it.
Now here it is where it gets interesting. Serbs and Serb supporters scream and shout how wrong NATO was to bomb Serbia but also how right Russia is to bomb Georgia.
Now if you wanna play the game of the righteous or the principle ones you better play it right or else you are just a bunch of hypocrites, no better then those you accuse of being hypocrites or playing double standards.
The argument that Kosova and South Ossetia are "one in the same" is absurd, and those that spread the propaganda know this, but spread it anyway to convince the uninformed and those that don't think twice about what they hear.
To understand why these cases are completely different, I implore you to read the following article which provides an analysis of the situation.
It is interesting to see that no Serbian here, and no Serbian supporter condemns the actions of Russia in Georgia.
We have an independent state (Georgia) and an autonomous region with it (South Ossetia). We have the independet state attacking through its military the autonomous region. We have a the Russian federation that attacks the the independent state as a result in order to punish it. We also have the Serbs and Serb supporters cheering Russia. Now lets look at the other side of the coin.
We have an independent state (Serbia), attacking its autonomous region (Kosova) militarily. We have an alliance of states that attacks the independent state Serbia in order to punish it.
Now here it is where it gets interesting. Serbs and Serb supporters scream and shout how wrong NATO was to bomb Serbia but also how right Russia is to bomb Georgia.
Now if you wanna play the game of the righteous or the principle ones you better play it right or else you are just a bunch of hypocrites, no better then those you accuse of being hypocrites or playing double standards.
The argument that Kosova and South Ossetia are "one in the same" is absurd, and those that spread the propaganda know this, but spread it anyway to convince the uninformed and those that don't think twice about what they hear.
To understand why these cases are completely different, I implore you to read the following article which provides an analysis of the situation.
Amazing - actually find myself agreeing with something coming out of Washington.
> "Western officials absurdly argued that the Kosovo situation was unique and would set no precedent. They have now found out differently," Carpenter told Tanjug.
"Kosovo independence, Moscow warned that the Kosovo precedent could be applied to numerous situations around the world, and Russian officials specifically cited South Ossetia and Abkhazia,"
Bu Russia and this expert forget about Chechnya. Any coments on that from teh Russian side???
Anyhow SO and Kosova in princilpe (but not in cultural, historical or any other way) have similarities.
To both of them teh central Gov.t want to impose with force their rule: Tbilisi and Belgrade. (because you wanted for that);)
speaking of Russia, many Albanians here never fail to mention Chechnya. Well, get you facts straight first - by talking ot Chechens actually living in Chechnya e.g - instead of reading US-sponsored media.
Not only Chechens have never been taken autonomy away or reduced in rights by Russians after breakup of SU - but majority of Chechen general population would much rather stay under secular Russia rather than under heavily Islamic, Wahhabi mafia-type "rebels" like Basyev, or Maskhadov, or Zakayev, so much praised and naturally supported by US (and, naturally, by all "enlightend West" licking Uncle Sam's most enlightened place). "Free Ichkeria" (that is how Chechnya was called during their period of independence from 1996 to 1999, before they started to launch invasions in neighbouring Russia) was just another pet project of US, much like the "Democratic Georgia". Naturally neither has anything to do nor with freedom neiother with democracy, only with US interests in the region. And interestingly enough, both ended up as just Russophobic proxy creating troubles on Russia's borders. And in both cases - in Chechnya and in Georgia - troubles with Russia were formented and supported by US, and both lost when they got too much on Russia's nerves, regardless of all howling from their Western sponsors. Like old Russian saying goes - for Russian it takes long time to harness the horsde, but they ride fast.
Now about Kosovo - another pet US project, brewed on blood and war and suffering for the sake of "democratic values" (why is that Wesetrn visioon democracy is like some bloodthirsty tribal goddess, talk peace but always goes to war ?). Much like with Chechens, the trouble was formented by US proxy KLA - also invoved in drug, prostition and criems, also supported, armed and put in action by league of "peace-loving democracies". In difference with Chechnya though, KLA had large support amongst majority of Kosovo Albanians - and those who did not want to get along were coerced, intimidated and just kicked out of Kosovo. Quite obviously, in this case Albaninas would not want to live under Serbia - and the future will show the wisdom of these aspirations - but I always thought in this situation the best solution would be the partition - south goes to Albania, North goes to Serbia. BTW, why you albos are so adamant to force Kosovo Serbs to live in your half-recognized mini-state ? Serbs hate living under you as much as you hated living under Serbs. So all you reasons for "liberating from Serbia's tyranny" perfectly apply to Kosovo Serbs's case agians being part of Kosovo. Why forcing on other the same thing you hate yourself ?
This means international law is finally ruined. That also means it makes absolutely no difference if countries recognize Kosovo or not. Serbia should start getting it's military in shape and just take it by force. The rules are gone. Just take it. Uncle Sam is bankrupt and will soon leave.
When the US and various EU countries recognised the "independence" of Kosovo they were effectively throwing away the rule book governing international relations. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
The US never intended to have a compromise over Kosovo in the first instance. They stated clearly that they would recognise Kosovo during the UN sponsored "negotiations". These two conflicts could be just the start of a wider global upheaval.
Maybe that's what the US and EU intended!
If it is, then there could be more trouble in the Balkans, in Serbia (southern Serbia and Kosovo), Bosnia and Macedonia, etc,etc.
better dust down those Kalashnikovs in preparation
"Amazing - actually find myself agreeing with something coming out of Washington."
He-he. Well, I am not surprised. The Cato Institute is an independent (whatever that means!) think-tank. They have a great web-site ( http://www.cato.org/ ), and they regularly send out analyses and reports by e-mail to anyone who is interested ( http://www.cato.org/ecommunity/index.php ).
If the US knew all along that Russia would block Kosovo's path to legitimate statehood, and thus necessitate Pristina's continued reliance and dependence on the West, like a colony to a mother country, then US strategy worked out perfectly, and this illusion of independence remains little more than an illusion.
However if US officials honestly believed that Kosovo would not set a precedence, and that Russian obstacles would not be much of a problem, then my country's policymakers need to be sacked. Literally stuffed in sacks and beaten with Nerf balls for their stupidity and shortsightedness.
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