<a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=08&dd=11&nav_id=52608" class="text-link" target= "_blank">The war in Georgia</a> has prompted a number of politicians and analysts to seek similarities between this case and Kosovo.
"I hope all of you supporting what Russia is doing in Georgia are not posting comments from the comfort of western countries, because that would be very hypocritical.
(Art, 12 August 2008 02:34"
No one here is supporting Russias actions against civilians. People are simply stating that it is a very logic consequense of the Kosovo UDI and the bombing of Serbia. Hence, it is very hypocritical of Western leaders to point a finger at Russia when they are doing the same themselves.
How can you say that the posters here support Russia when they praise the move by Georgia to bring the incident in before the ICJ?
And yes, I am secure and bored in a safe, Western, country.
Claiming Kosovo as a unique case or special case is totally ridiculous and stupid. The double standard by the WEST is the main reason of this war in South Ossetia, Abkhazia & Georgia coz precedent already taking place.
well there is a precedent now, international law definately means nothing and russians cant argue they defend "international" law when they violate it themselves.
Now that tehre is a precedent, i guess russia will not stand in the way of its own secessionist regions separating. Doubt it. Russia is upset that it have very few friends in the world and noone is listening to it.
russian population in 2100 will be half of what it is now. Its economy, population has no place amongs larger powers and perhaps it is not liking this. It has currently a large military might, but thats about it. Only thing it can threaten to do is take over a few countries but then again, how can such a rightous country even contemplate doing this.
What is it with Serb political analyst always twisting truths and history to suit their case. Like this guy bring Operation Storm into the Georgian crisis? There is no correlation whatsoever!
If he wants to make a correlation about the war of that time then perhaps he should write about how the Serbs invaded Vukovar and surrounding areas because the local Serbs there wanted to revolt or perhaps he should be talking about how Republika Srpska in BiH wanted to seperate and join Serbia and try to do this my clensing all of the non-Serbs out of the region. They too hold dual citenship and are also helped to the another coutnry which they say they belong, that is, Serbia.
I hope all of you supporting what Russia is doing in Georgia are not posting comments from the comfort of western countries, because that would be very hypocritical.
Ben, are you listening to yourself. 20,000 and 2,000,000 are not the same.
They are the same. Every life is precious. Numbers don't count.
The principal is the same whether you have thousands or millions. You are trying to justify what the Albanians did but there is no justification.
Please don't keep going back to oppression and Milosevic. That one has been done to death now.
What sort of oppression are you talking about when you had your own schools and your own language in Kosovo?
Save that sort of talk for uninformed which there is less and less in the world.
I wonder how soon before America has to eat humble pie for what they have done for you. It will not go down very well with them you know.
An average American is likely to resent their government for making them look silly. Russie did warn them that this sort of thing is likely to happen if they push for your recognition.
SO is a match at most with Zubin Potok.
By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent, BBC News website:
"8. Are borders in Europe to be sacrosanct for ever?
It has been one of the rules of post-war Europe - borders cannot be changed except by agreement, as say in Czechoslovakia. Perhaps this rule has been applied too inflexibly. Yet governments like that of Georgia are reluctant to give up any territory, even when the local population is so clearly hostile and might be in that state simply as a result of some past arbitrary decision. It was the Soviet Union that created a semi-autonomous region of South Ossetia in Georgia in 1922. Nikita Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. Will this lead to trouble one day?"
"What Russia has done here is used massive and disproportionate force. It's breached international law and it has violated Georgia's territorial integrity," david Cameron- mosk likely teh new British PM.
Need further delucidation here?
The SO Kosova parallel douesn't stand morally and in principle.
20,000 and 2 million is not teh same. And no one ever endagered Ossetians K-Alabanians were oppressed for decads.
This my priniple stance. And apparentely of teh major part of teh Albos.
The opportunistic would be the point 8 of the BBC analysis.
We are ppl with high moral values and stand on priciples you are opportunists.
I must say that I agree with everything said in that article. I will however point out an important fact: It is not recognitions that are causing the current war in Georgien (and many wars elsewhere). It is the *refusal* of governments and people to recognize new, independent countries that is causing the wars.
Ronald Mcdonalds or simply Mcdonalds serves over 47,000,000 people every day. It's budget and/or revenue is much much larger than Republic of Serbia has. Not to mention that it's stores operate nearly in every corner of earth. If it was back in the day it would mean that Mcdonalds would have its' own army such as the British Tea Company of Columbia..
"Once you violate international law and fail to respect the sovereignty of a state, as was done with Kosovo, it is possible to use the same formula in any other situation,” said Ivanović.
Oh dear, someone said something incredibly intelligent.
Ben, are you listening to yourself. 20,000 and 2,000,000 are not the same.
They are the same. Every life is precious. Numbers don't count.
The principal is the same whether you have thousands or millions. You are trying to justify what the Albanians did but there is no justification.
Please don't keep going back to oppression and Milosevic. That one has been done to death now.
What sort of oppression are you talking about when you had your own schools and your own language in Kosovo?
Save that sort of talk for uninformed which there is less and less in the world.
I wonder how soon before America has to eat humble pie for what they have done for you. It will not go down very well with them you know.
An average American is likely to resent their government for making them look silly. Russie did warn them that this sort of thing is likely to happen if they push for your recognition.
"Once you violate international law and fail to respect the sovereignty of a state, as was done with Kosovo, it is possible to use the same formula in any other situation,” said Ivanović.
Oh dear, someone said something incredibly intelligent.
Claiming Kosovo as a unique case or special case is totally ridiculous and stupid. The double standard by the WEST is the main reason of this war in South Ossetia, Abkhazia & Georgia coz precedent already taking place.
Ronald Mcdonalds or simply Mcdonalds serves over 47,000,000 people every day. It's budget and/or revenue is much much larger than Republic of Serbia has. Not to mention that it's stores operate nearly in every corner of earth. If it was back in the day it would mean that Mcdonalds would have its' own army such as the British Tea Company of Columbia..
I must say that I agree with everything said in that article. I will however point out an important fact: It is not recognitions that are causing the current war in Georgien (and many wars elsewhere). It is the *refusal* of governments and people to recognize new, independent countries that is causing the wars.
SO is a match at most with Zubin Potok.
By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent, BBC News website:
"8. Are borders in Europe to be sacrosanct for ever?
It has been one of the rules of post-war Europe - borders cannot be changed except by agreement, as say in Czechoslovakia. Perhaps this rule has been applied too inflexibly. Yet governments like that of Georgia are reluctant to give up any territory, even when the local population is so clearly hostile and might be in that state simply as a result of some past arbitrary decision. It was the Soviet Union that created a semi-autonomous region of South Ossetia in Georgia in 1922. Nikita Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. Will this lead to trouble one day?"
"What Russia has done here is used massive and disproportionate force. It's breached international law and it has violated Georgia's territorial integrity," david Cameron- mosk likely teh new British PM.
Need further delucidation here?
The SO Kosova parallel douesn't stand morally and in principle.
20,000 and 2 million is not teh same. And no one ever endagered Ossetians K-Alabanians were oppressed for decads.
This my priniple stance. And apparentely of teh major part of teh Albos.
The opportunistic would be the point 8 of the BBC analysis.
We are ppl with high moral values and stand on priciples you are opportunists.
"I hope all of you supporting what Russia is doing in Georgia are not posting comments from the comfort of western countries, because that would be very hypocritical.
(Art, 12 August 2008 02:34"
No one here is supporting Russias actions against civilians. People are simply stating that it is a very logic consequense of the Kosovo UDI and the bombing of Serbia. Hence, it is very hypocritical of Western leaders to point a finger at Russia when they are doing the same themselves.
How can you say that the posters here support Russia when they praise the move by Georgia to bring the incident in before the ICJ?
And yes, I am secure and bored in a safe, Western, country.
well there is a precedent now, international law definately means nothing and russians cant argue they defend "international" law when they violate it themselves.
Now that tehre is a precedent, i guess russia will not stand in the way of its own secessionist regions separating. Doubt it. Russia is upset that it have very few friends in the world and noone is listening to it.
russian population in 2100 will be half of what it is now. Its economy, population has no place amongs larger powers and perhaps it is not liking this. It has currently a large military might, but thats about it. Only thing it can threaten to do is take over a few countries but then again, how can such a rightous country even contemplate doing this.
I hope all of you supporting what Russia is doing in Georgia are not posting comments from the comfort of western countries, because that would be very hypocritical.
What is it with Serb political analyst always twisting truths and history to suit their case. Like this guy bring Operation Storm into the Georgian crisis? There is no correlation whatsoever!
If he wants to make a correlation about the war of that time then perhaps he should write about how the Serbs invaded Vukovar and surrounding areas because the local Serbs there wanted to revolt or perhaps he should be talking about how Republika Srpska in BiH wanted to seperate and join Serbia and try to do this my clensing all of the non-Serbs out of the region. They too hold dual citenship and are also helped to the another coutnry which they say they belong, that is, Serbia.
I must say that I agree with everything said in that article. I will however point out an important fact: It is not recognitions that are causing the current war in Georgien (and many wars elsewhere). It is the *refusal* of governments and people to recognize new, independent countries that is causing the wars.
SO is a match at most with Zubin Potok.
By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent, BBC News website:
"8. Are borders in Europe to be sacrosanct for ever?
It has been one of the rules of post-war Europe - borders cannot be changed except by agreement, as say in Czechoslovakia. Perhaps this rule has been applied too inflexibly. Yet governments like that of Georgia are reluctant to give up any territory, even when the local population is so clearly hostile and might be in that state simply as a result of some past arbitrary decision. It was the Soviet Union that created a semi-autonomous region of South Ossetia in Georgia in 1922. Nikita Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. Will this lead to trouble one day?"
"What Russia has done here is used massive and disproportionate force. It's breached international law and it has violated Georgia's territorial integrity," david Cameron- mosk likely teh new British PM.
Need further delucidation here?
The SO Kosova parallel douesn't stand morally and in principle.
20,000 and 2 million is not teh same. And no one ever endagered Ossetians K-Alabanians were oppressed for decads.
This my priniple stance. And apparentely of teh major part of teh Albos.
The opportunistic would be the point 8 of the BBC analysis.
We are ppl with high moral values and stand on priciples you are opportunists.
Ronald Mcdonalds or simply Mcdonalds serves over 47,000,000 people every day. It's budget and/or revenue is much much larger than Republic of Serbia has. Not to mention that it's stores operate nearly in every corner of earth. If it was back in the day it would mean that Mcdonalds would have its' own army such as the British Tea Company of Columbia..
well there is a precedent now, international law definately means nothing and russians cant argue they defend "international" law when they violate it themselves.
Now that tehre is a precedent, i guess russia will not stand in the way of its own secessionist regions separating. Doubt it. Russia is upset that it have very few friends in the world and noone is listening to it.
russian population in 2100 will be half of what it is now. Its economy, population has no place amongs larger powers and perhaps it is not liking this. It has currently a large military might, but thats about it. Only thing it can threaten to do is take over a few countries but then again, how can such a rightous country even contemplate doing this.
What is it with Serb political analyst always twisting truths and history to suit their case. Like this guy bring Operation Storm into the Georgian crisis? There is no correlation whatsoever!
If he wants to make a correlation about the war of that time then perhaps he should write about how the Serbs invaded Vukovar and surrounding areas because the local Serbs there wanted to revolt or perhaps he should be talking about how Republika Srpska in BiH wanted to seperate and join Serbia and try to do this my clensing all of the non-Serbs out of the region. They too hold dual citenship and are also helped to the another coutnry which they say they belong, that is, Serbia.
I hope all of you supporting what Russia is doing in Georgia are not posting comments from the comfort of western countries, because that would be very hypocritical.
"Once you violate international law and fail to respect the sovereignty of a state, as was done with Kosovo, it is possible to use the same formula in any other situation,” said Ivanović.
Oh dear, someone said something incredibly intelligent.
Ben, are you listening to yourself. 20,000 and 2,000,000 are not the same.
They are the same. Every life is precious. Numbers don't count.
The principal is the same whether you have thousands or millions. You are trying to justify what the Albanians did but there is no justification.
Please don't keep going back to oppression and Milosevic. That one has been done to death now.
What sort of oppression are you talking about when you had your own schools and your own language in Kosovo?
Save that sort of talk for uninformed which there is less and less in the world.
I wonder how soon before America has to eat humble pie for what they have done for you. It will not go down very well with them you know.
An average American is likely to resent their government for making them look silly. Russie did warn them that this sort of thing is likely to happen if they push for your recognition.
Claiming Kosovo as a unique case or special case is totally ridiculous and stupid. The double standard by the WEST is the main reason of this war in South Ossetia, Abkhazia & Georgia coz precedent already taking place.
"I hope all of you supporting what Russia is doing in Georgia are not posting comments from the comfort of western countries, because that would be very hypocritical.
(Art, 12 August 2008 02:34"
No one here is supporting Russias actions against civilians. People are simply stating that it is a very logic consequense of the Kosovo UDI and the bombing of Serbia. Hence, it is very hypocritical of Western leaders to point a finger at Russia when they are doing the same themselves.
How can you say that the posters here support Russia when they praise the move by Georgia to bring the incident in before the ICJ?
And yes, I am secure and bored in a safe, Western, country.
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