"We ask for Serbia what we ask for ourselves"

Funcakes’

Do you think that Serbs are such idiots to recognise its province of Kosmet in favour for some silly SAA ratification? I must admit that Albanians are very optimistic in regard of Serbia’s recognition of its province as independent quasi state.

Our foreign minister Vuk Jeremic and president Boris Tadic have explicitly stated that Serbia will never recognise Kosovo even if that means no EU for Serbia. I appreciate their resolute stand when it comes to Kosovo.

Besides, why Albanians worry so much over Serbia’s resolute stand on Kosovo issue? I thought Serbia’s recognition is not important since you gained recognition from so many “powerful” states.

Oh, yes, I get it. You are all aware that by not signing off Kosovo, Serbia has all legal rights to claim its province back once the world’s new order takes place. You know that you cannot become member of the UN as long as Serbia runs the show in the UN strongly backed by Russia. You are also fully aware that officially and legally you are still living in Serbia’s land. Does resolution 1244 rings the bell? No EULEX will help you to change the fact that resolution 1244 is still in force.

Please albanians, don't put yourself in a position to count the numbers of countries that have recognised you - in bilateral agreements only - , because it is really useless.

In order to create a normal country, you have to be recognised by the international community in total. You have to be an official member of the United Nations. You have to be a member of the World Trade Organization (so imports-exports can be officially done). This you will never achieve, so you will never be a country really!

If some countries recognise you in bilateral agreements, that really means nothing!

And you say that "ok 90 countries have recognised us, so it is ok?". This is silly!

See at Fyrom now::: They had the same balkan logic as you have. They were just "counting" the countries that have recognised them with the so-called constitutional name (Republic of Macedonia), and they just did not care to sort out the deal with Greece.

And now? More than 100+ countries recognised them, and only Greece did not - and what happened??? The moment came that they have to be members of the international organizations (NATO and the EU), and they just realised that they will never be members, if ONLY Greece does not want! Total stallmate!

And the countries that had recognised them bilateraly, simply cannot help them now in anything! Out of use! They simply have to sort out the deal with Greece, otherwise they have no future as a country - no matter if the whole planet recognise them!

And you hope that if some countries recognise you, you will form a normal country, without the recognition of more than half of the planet??

Look at Fyrom right now, that they were in a much better position than you, having the official recognition of the UN (which you will never have), theyt official recognition of more than 130+ countries (which you will never have) and now they face the danger of self-destruction and civil war if they don't agree with only ONE country (Greece)!

So please see the reality ... you will never be a country, we can assure you of that.

To Funcakes:

""Kosovo merger to Albania""??

Man, if the kosovo recognition internationally by the UN has a very very low probability, then... the "meger of Kosovo with Albania" is pure science fiction!!

There is no way that the EU will even allow that. The neighbouring balkan countries will never allow that, and simply... nobody will never allow that!

You have to understand something my albanian nationalist friends:

The international community (the West for better...)is NOT going to help you stole lands of foreign countries for eternity, without fighting for them!

Simply, you stole Kosovo from Serbia, while your rediculous UCK had been simply totally destoryed in the battelfield by the sebian army. After the NATO bombing you actually stole Kosovo while you had been badly beaten in the battlefield!

And now you hope, that you will steal Fyrom's land the same way, while you will be stealing everybody's land without even fighting!

Well, sorry to tell you, this will not happen again. If you want somebody's land you have to learn to fight for it, - or be able to fight for it - and don't expect that someone will give it to you again.

As far as you little "motherland" Albania is concerned, I really don't think they are able to help even themselves, if not only you. Still today, they are the poorest, weakest country of the Balkans!

So stop having "dreams" about meger of Kosovo to Albania. Because you will face the situation one day that you will have to protect yourselves and fight by yourselves - without having some USA to protect you... and then we will see, how "well" you will do on that.

To Meti:

I don't think you really get my point here. The point is not to compare Greece with Serbia, of course Greece is a more powerful country, with more credibility. The point is that Fyrom had only Greece as a problem, while Kossovo has dozens of problems.....

What I want to say is that::

If Fyrom - that has already been a member of the UN since the last 17 years and is recognised by more than 120+ c countries (including the 4 permanent members of the Security Council) - cannot really move forward - by becoming a member of the real important international like organizations like NATO or EU, ONLY because of Greece, how will you ever be???

Fyrom has been in a much better situation than Kosovo. Irt had a recognition by the UN (which you don't have), had an official recognition by 120+ countries (which you don't have), had all the major powers by her side (which you don't have) and still faces civil war and no future, only because ONE country do not recognise them!!

So how you will ever be recognised, when you still have no recognition by the UN, still have one major power against you (Russia), and more than 150+ countries don't recognise you???

What I mean is that, Fyrom was in a much better situation than you - officially recognised for the last 17 years by the UN - and ONLY because of one country (Greece), faces now the possibility of civil war and destruction because of NO possibility of becoming a member of NATO and the EU ever!

Kosovo that theoretically is in a much worse situation than Fyrom, simply has almost zero probabilty of becoming a normal recognised country ever...

Funcakes... you are fooling your self if you think the EU even cares for this self declared country.

The EU realizes that the process of recognition failed that not even a quarter of the worlds countries see Kosovo as a country.. and out of the 45 that do... 38 were reluctant, forced or just don't care for Kosovo as a country.


Funcakes, EA, Olf and all of of our other Albanian readers that actually post on a SERBIAN websites. independence has failed.. the climax has been reached.. and Kosovo as a country is a complete joke!

Kosovo is Serbia.. (147 out of 192 countries see it that way)

Funcakes,

I think you should be more worried about how the US and their lackeys treat their allies. Georgia has recieved far more US investment and training in their military than Kosovo or Albania ever will and is currently being left high and dry.

Looks like naming streets in your capital after George Bush (Tiblisi and Pristina) does not guarantuee protection forever!

I see one more parallel, Pavlos. Fyromania re-inventing the history, so does Albania. Next we learn, all our history is originating from a planet of Syrius called "Zeus", they landed on Earth precisely 6996 years ago and of course just in the middle of fyrom, split by two and became Pelazgians and Macedonians. And of course, everything good on the planet Earth, even the sliced bread - is their invention.

fyromania + megaloalbania = pyromania for the entire region.

"Well, seeing how the West holds 70% of the world wealth, wouldn't that translate to enough influence to get at least 51% of the world countries to recognize?"

although funcake seems to believe that everything can be "bought", and although that is a quite childish approach towards the kosovo-issue, perhaps he didn´t think it over properly enough.

well, we will see how world-economics will develop in the future, but I don´t expect Russia, India, China, Brasil or others to stay where they are today. and even today they are states ( unlike the cripple stillborn puppet-entity )that have a significant influence on international economic matters.

To N'Dardani Po Bjen Tupanat:

""Greece worry about Chameria??"" It just seems the Albanians want to steal the lands of everyone around...

What do you mean, that after the stealing of Kosovo and Tetovo probably, you will try to get your hands on Greek land???

My friend, you seem to think that you can continue do, what your albanians have been doing so far. Getting other countries land without fighting!

But don't be so optimistic. Greece is NOT Serbia. If you ever even THINK that you want to get a part of Greek land, no foreign power will help you or support you, I can assure you in that...

So what is going to happen then?? For this first time, since your independence in 1912, you will have to fight a war and win it by youselves! Because simply, after your independence, you have NEVER won a signle war!

You little Albania, which is still the weakest and poorest country by far in the whole European continent, will have to fight Greece....

I would really like to see this moment coming my friend. Just see how your "strong" albanian people, that have NEVER won a war in their history, and have ALWAYS been the poorerst and the most undeveloped nation in Europe - since today - will really do that...

My country does not worry about anything. It is the richest, and militarily the strongest country, not only in Balkans, but in whole eastern europe. And definetely Greece can NOT worry about countries like Albania...

Funcakes,
What prevents the quest for greater Albania is Serbia's right to place police, border guards and certain amount of soldiers on the border with Albania. This is an essential demand that Serbia will insist be lived up to according to 1244. It is why we pulled out of Kosovo because the agreement allows our territory is defended by Serbs. Eventually Serbia will demand that the agreement be live up to. Time is on Serbia's side. Your guarantors are losing power by the day.

Could be a solution for Serbia-Kosovo.
(adrian, timisoara, romania, 10 August 2008 22:03)

Yes, the problem is, K-Albanian side wants more because why wouldn't they want? The current USA/EU politicians in their insane russofobia try to push Russia in the corner as far as possible - for instance by pushing Russia's "presumed" ally, Serbia. Which is crazy for many reasons. As I recently wrote, even being a communist is excusable if someone is against Serbia or Russia. In recent happenings in Gori (Georgia) somehow the news failed to tell, what Gori is infamous for. What a shame. Gori is the birthplace of the most infamous mass murderer of humankind.

The naive crowd of two million K-Albanians of course wants more. The problem is, they do not see that they are merely a tool in a nasty game.

"Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova and it will get better as times pass.
(N'Dardani Po Bjen Tupanat, 11 August 2008 01:10) "

Whether or not you grant Serbs all the rights in the world or none at all does not matter to Serbs one bit because Kosovo Serbs live in Serbia and are loyal to the Serbian state as per 1244. End of story. As long as there will be Serbs in Kosovo, rest assured, Kosovo je Srbija! Enjoy your self-rule, and we enjoy ours, but the ground you tread is Serbian through and through!

Cyprus has no say over what individual EU countries decide to do and how soon...or.....how LATE they decide to sign the SAA with Serbia.

Somehow I have a hunch that certain countries will delay their siggy until Serbia agrees to recognize.

To Jan Andersen:

Yes, there is a problem and that is true!

Russian and Serb products right now still cannot be exported to foreign countries, while the products that they import, are not put at any taxation by the countries that send them.... that means that the foreign private companies send them almost illegaly, as they collect the total cost without payning taxes...

The point is that both Serbia, and mostly Russia, don't really depend their food and product supplies and survival on exports. They can survive, make their own products (most of the times are "copies of foreign products or just local) and feed their market and themselves.

Unlike Kosovo, which if it is not able to import supplies, it will starve and never be able to stabilize it's economy... or just wait the "mother" Albania send them supplies and products illegaly!

Unfortunately your Kosovo is neither Serbia nor Russia. It can not survive by itself, like they do. So it will never be a normal country as I said...

Pavlos, how many times has Russia pulled the plug on Serbia in the past? You can't answer that 'cuz judging from Yugoslavia's fate, the answer is TOO MANY TIMES.

That's why Albanians don't take Russia seriously, because we know it's flip flopping nature. This whole Ossetia & Abkhazia stuff could be Russia's carrot for all we know. Russia gets those two, and we get Kosovo. It sounds like the perfect Russia-West deal.

UN membership still means nothing. Kosovo has the West on it's side. Any financial institution puts a weight on the vote of it's governors.

The West holds more than 67% of the world voting power in these institutions.

Also, another extra bonus is that fact that Kosovo is not this lonely landlocked entity. Albania opens Kosovo to the world, and judging from the business deals that are taking place, it looks like Albania's and Kosovo's economy and education systems are getting merged by the day.

Kosovo is perfectly viable as-is. The question now is not Kosovo's independence, it's how the merger with Albania will take place. And this "Russia swallowing up Abkhazia & Ossetia" storyline could be the exact pretext to unite Albania and Kosovo too. This way it's much more functional and everyone can move on in a practic manner.

We all know the relevance of each EU country within the Union. We also know who the "dark horses" withing the Union when it comes to recognising the Kosova's independence even if that is done in "in the name of international law".

BM, Russia's backing at the UN cannot be taken for granted. We all know who Russia is and how it has left Serbia dry time and time again. We've been through this rodeo for a while now, so we're not worried about the Russians at the least.

One carrot for a veto, that's Russia's motto.

And no, recognition from Serbia is not important. My comment didn't state that it was. It barely pointed out the significance of Cyprus in the SAA process as well as what Serbia would need to do in order to get certain signatures for it's SAA.

Nikola, the way I see it is that Kosovo is 52 countries away from world majority. And once that's reached, that international law excuse...yeah, that would kinda be useless.

Can the West get Kosovo 97 recognitions? Well, seeing how the West holds 70% of the world wealth, wouldn't that translate to enough influence to get at least 51% of the world countries to recognize? After all, most of them depend on the West for various things. Only a few dissidents rely on regimes like Russia and Iran.

Asked if Serbia could face pressure to change the position on Kosovo, the ambassador said, "such pressure could not come from Cyprus".


mr. boris saakashvili might want to use this as election slogan. it’s the bottom line of his failed policy. there's a friendly country that wont pressure. there's one. there might be two.
good night.

Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova and it will get better as times pass.
(N'Dardani Po Bjen Tupanat, 11 August 2008 01:10)

1) Bad timing. It's 11 August 2008. To late for April 1, 2008. To early for April 1, 2009.
2) "Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova"

10 words only, but what a twist! To make us believe the first nine words, you should end the tenth with the "O" vowel, not with "a".

Conclusion: best ever I did see on this web site. Respect!

The Greek Cypriots may ask for Serbia what they ask for themselves, but whould the Serbs in any sane mind ask what the Greek Cypriots are about to get?

Cyprus is an analogue of Kosovo, not of Serbia. It is a land inhabited mostly by two ethnic groups, each having ist own "mother country". Unification with eather is a taboo. The forcefull division of 1974 could not be leagally accepted! So Cyprus, has no choice but to find a compromise and become a two-national state, whit two official languages etc. To apply this recepy for Serbia would be suicidal! Why on Earth burden Serbia with two million ethnic Albanians whose birth rate is immensly higher! Kosovo Albanians as Serbian citizens - this is a recepy for disaster. Imagine they stop boycotting the elections???
The Cyprus solution should be applied for Kosovo, not for Serbia! A bilingual, two-national state that has no right to join neither Serbia, nor Albania. This would be the wise solutuion.

Pavlos

Whilst i understand your logic on the matter, i don't believe you have grasped the difference between the two.
1. Kosova has its mother land Albania, FYRM doesn't.
2 .Greece is on the EU, therefore has much more credibility over this matters then Serbia has and will have in the foreseeable future.
3. never say never my dear, you'll never know what happens.
We have not chosen this path without considering the hurdles we are going to face on achieving our ultimate goal. As it stands Kosovars are in better position to argue the case for recognition then Serbs for the territorial integrity.

"He also commented on the talks to unite Cyprus by saying that the parameters for this had been set a long time ago, detailing a bi-zonal federation, where the Greek and Turkish communities would be partners inside the state."


Could be a solution for Serbia-Kosovo.

No one has any valid reason why Kosovo and Albania shouldn't merge.

We'd call it the Albanian Federation.

Russia can't oppose a federation, EU and US can't oppose a union. Afterall, they are one themselves. :)

But again, as I said, you Serbs should be thanking your lucky stars that Kosovo and it's mammoth population growth rate vs. Serbia's decreasing population are no longer your problem to deal with.

Trust me, you wouldn't have had a fun time with Albanians reaching 40% or 50% of Serbia's population. Look at Macedonia.

Oh yeah, and as far as Albania not being able to defend itself without US help...hey, it did fine for 50 yrs of isolation.

And I doubt that anyone would have any funny ideas about invading Albania after knowing about it's neverending arsenals, the noise of which the Balkans heard this February quite well.

Albania might look on the outside as a poor and defenseless country, but if it really was like that, it would've been wiped off the map a long time ago.

Merging Kosovo with Albania will only help us more. We get their minerals, they get our coastal access, and everyone's happy.

This is business here. And in business, the victory does not go to the stronger, but to the craftier.

"There is no way that the EU will even allow that. The neighbouring balkan countries will never allow that, and simply... nobody will never allow that!"

everyoen will be united in EU, Albania and Kosova will only have the military and customs together. Independent nations can do that, right? No one is asking "Balkan countries" for that and Greece better worry about Chameria and the islands that Turkey wants. No one wants war, but you can;t compare UCK with rusty AKs to Serbs with tanks and planes and unleashing drunken paras in the public. Montegro had to beg the Big powers to force Turkey to beat the Albanians, after their army was wiped by the Albanian League of Prizren and Greece didn't do much fighting either, the Big Powers and the Albanian fighters earned your independence so stop bragging. Albanians will be armed soon too, but no one wants or will allow war. If you think 7 million Serbs can rule 2 million Albanians again, you're mistaken. Good neighbors and that's about it

"Eventually Serbia will demand that the agreement be live up to. Time is on Serbia's side. Your guarantors are losing power by the day."

Stop scaring us Albanians, please. The real guarantors are the ALBANIANS, who are getting stronger and more numerous by the day, and people are getting less willing to fight as time goes by unless if it's for their homes.

"Could be a solution for Serbia-Kosovo."

Albanians are 95% and growing (by birth) so what federation? Does Serbia have a federation even though they are less than 80% Serb in Serbia? To make matters worse, Serbs are spread in Kosova, the ones in N Mitrovica are only 30% of total Serbs in Kosova. You can't have a Federation for each Serbian house or neighborhood in Kosova.

Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova and it will get better as times pass.

N'Dardani & Pavlos

You guys sound like you need a refresher in current affairs.

1. Albania & Greece are no longer in a "state of war." Greece officially ended it a few years ago.

2. Maybe my memory is a bit skewed, but the Albanian government's policy towards Chameria is no longer a "territorial" claim but rather a re-compensation/re-claiming for lost properties of Chams in Greece.

3. Albania is expected to become a NATO member...with Greece's support. In other words, Albos and Greeks are expected to fight along each other..not each other.

I don't expect Greeks and Albanians to love each other any time soon. In fact we'll be bickering neighbours for some time to come. This is the Balkans after all. However, as the last few years have indicated, that has not stopped the Greeks and Albanians from having positive economic, political and even military relationships (go figure). As an Albanian, I'm actually quite happy about this.

On 10 August 2008 16:39, Pavlos wrote:

"In order to create a normal country, (...) You have to be a member of the World Trade Organization (so imports-exports can be officially done)."

I LOL'ed!

From the WTO country membership list:

http://www.wto.org/english/theWTO_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org6_e.htm#members

* ACCESSIONS

Serbia - The General Council established a Working Party to examine Serbia's application on 15 February 2005. Serbia's Memorandum on the Foreign Trade Regime was circulated in March 2005 and the Working Party held its first meeting in October 2005. Bilateral market access negotiations are underway on the basis of revised offers on goods and services. The Working Party met for the fifth time in May 2008 to continue the examination of Serbia's foreign trade regime.

* Russian Federation - The Working Party on the accession of the Russian Federation was established on 16 June 1993. The latest revision of the draft Report of the Working Party was circulated in October 2004. Bilateral market access negotiations on goods and services are ongoing. The 30th formal meeting of the Working Party took place in March 2006.

- So, neither Serbia nor Russia is currently members of WTO. I guess that makes them a not-a-real-country in your book?

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Mr ambasador, Cyprus with it opposition againts Kosovas independece is showing a disconsistensy with EU diplomacy and also it subserivent to greek diplomacy.
Im sorry but Cypro is not responsible for region and it should take care for its self.

Cyprus has no say over what individual EU countries decide to do and how soon...or.....how LATE they decide to sign the SAA with Serbia.

Somehow I have a hunch that certain countries will delay their siggy until Serbia agrees to recognize.

BM, Russia's backing at the UN cannot be taken for granted. We all know who Russia is and how it has left Serbia dry time and time again. We've been through this rodeo for a while now, so we're not worried about the Russians at the least.

One carrot for a veto, that's Russia's motto.

And no, recognition from Serbia is not important. My comment didn't state that it was. It barely pointed out the significance of Cyprus in the SAA process as well as what Serbia would need to do in order to get certain signatures for it's SAA.

Nikola, the way I see it is that Kosovo is 52 countries away from world majority. And once that's reached, that international law excuse...yeah, that would kinda be useless.

Can the West get Kosovo 97 recognitions? Well, seeing how the West holds 70% of the world wealth, wouldn't that translate to enough influence to get at least 51% of the world countries to recognize? After all, most of them depend on the West for various things. Only a few dissidents rely on regimes like Russia and Iran.

Pavlos, how many times has Russia pulled the plug on Serbia in the past? You can't answer that 'cuz judging from Yugoslavia's fate, the answer is TOO MANY TIMES.

That's why Albanians don't take Russia seriously, because we know it's flip flopping nature. This whole Ossetia & Abkhazia stuff could be Russia's carrot for all we know. Russia gets those two, and we get Kosovo. It sounds like the perfect Russia-West deal.

UN membership still means nothing. Kosovo has the West on it's side. Any financial institution puts a weight on the vote of it's governors.

The West holds more than 67% of the world voting power in these institutions.

Also, another extra bonus is that fact that Kosovo is not this lonely landlocked entity. Albania opens Kosovo to the world, and judging from the business deals that are taking place, it looks like Albania's and Kosovo's economy and education systems are getting merged by the day.

Kosovo is perfectly viable as-is. The question now is not Kosovo's independence, it's how the merger with Albania will take place. And this "Russia swallowing up Abkhazia & Ossetia" storyline could be the exact pretext to unite Albania and Kosovo too. This way it's much more functional and everyone can move on in a practic manner.

We all know the relevance of each EU country within the Union. We also know who the "dark horses" withing the Union when it comes to recognising the Kosova's independence even if that is done in "in the name of international law".

Pavlos

Whilst i understand your logic on the matter, i don't believe you have grasped the difference between the two.
1. Kosova has its mother land Albania, FYRM doesn't.
2 .Greece is on the EU, therefore has much more credibility over this matters then Serbia has and will have in the foreseeable future.
3. never say never my dear, you'll never know what happens.
We have not chosen this path without considering the hurdles we are going to face on achieving our ultimate goal. As it stands Kosovars are in better position to argue the case for recognition then Serbs for the territorial integrity.

Oh yeah, and as far as Albania not being able to defend itself without US help...hey, it did fine for 50 yrs of isolation.

And I doubt that anyone would have any funny ideas about invading Albania after knowing about it's neverending arsenals, the noise of which the Balkans heard this February quite well.

Albania might look on the outside as a poor and defenseless country, but if it really was like that, it would've been wiped off the map a long time ago.

Merging Kosovo with Albania will only help us more. We get their minerals, they get our coastal access, and everyone's happy.

This is business here. And in business, the victory does not go to the stronger, but to the craftier.

Please albanians, don't put yourself in a position to count the numbers of countries that have recognised you - in bilateral agreements only - , because it is really useless.

In order to create a normal country, you have to be recognised by the international community in total. You have to be an official member of the United Nations. You have to be a member of the World Trade Organization (so imports-exports can be officially done). This you will never achieve, so you will never be a country really!

If some countries recognise you in bilateral agreements, that really means nothing!

And you say that "ok 90 countries have recognised us, so it is ok?". This is silly!

See at Fyrom now::: They had the same balkan logic as you have. They were just "counting" the countries that have recognised them with the so-called constitutional name (Republic of Macedonia), and they just did not care to sort out the deal with Greece.

And now? More than 100+ countries recognised them, and only Greece did not - and what happened??? The moment came that they have to be members of the international organizations (NATO and the EU), and they just realised that they will never be members, if ONLY Greece does not want! Total stallmate!

And the countries that had recognised them bilateraly, simply cannot help them now in anything! Out of use! They simply have to sort out the deal with Greece, otherwise they have no future as a country - no matter if the whole planet recognise them!

And you hope that if some countries recognise you, you will form a normal country, without the recognition of more than half of the planet??

Look at Fyrom right now, that they were in a much better position than you, having the official recognition of the UN (which you will never have), theyt official recognition of more than 130+ countries (which you will never have) and now they face the danger of self-destruction and civil war if they don't agree with only ONE country (Greece)!

So please see the reality ... you will never be a country, we can assure you of that.

To Funcakes:

""Kosovo merger to Albania""??

Man, if the kosovo recognition internationally by the UN has a very very low probability, then... the "meger of Kosovo with Albania" is pure science fiction!!

There is no way that the EU will even allow that. The neighbouring balkan countries will never allow that, and simply... nobody will never allow that!

You have to understand something my albanian nationalist friends:

The international community (the West for better...)is NOT going to help you stole lands of foreign countries for eternity, without fighting for them!

Simply, you stole Kosovo from Serbia, while your rediculous UCK had been simply totally destoryed in the battelfield by the sebian army. After the NATO bombing you actually stole Kosovo while you had been badly beaten in the battlefield!

And now you hope, that you will steal Fyrom's land the same way, while you will be stealing everybody's land without even fighting!

Well, sorry to tell you, this will not happen again. If you want somebody's land you have to learn to fight for it, - or be able to fight for it - and don't expect that someone will give it to you again.

As far as you little "motherland" Albania is concerned, I really don't think they are able to help even themselves, if not only you. Still today, they are the poorest, weakest country of the Balkans!

So stop having "dreams" about meger of Kosovo to Albania. Because you will face the situation one day that you will have to protect yourselves and fight by yourselves - without having some USA to protect you... and then we will see, how "well" you will do on that.

"There is no way that the EU will even allow that. The neighbouring balkan countries will never allow that, and simply... nobody will never allow that!"

everyoen will be united in EU, Albania and Kosova will only have the military and customs together. Independent nations can do that, right? No one is asking "Balkan countries" for that and Greece better worry about Chameria and the islands that Turkey wants. No one wants war, but you can;t compare UCK with rusty AKs to Serbs with tanks and planes and unleashing drunken paras in the public. Montegro had to beg the Big powers to force Turkey to beat the Albanians, after their army was wiped by the Albanian League of Prizren and Greece didn't do much fighting either, the Big Powers and the Albanian fighters earned your independence so stop bragging. Albanians will be armed soon too, but no one wants or will allow war. If you think 7 million Serbs can rule 2 million Albanians again, you're mistaken. Good neighbors and that's about it

"Eventually Serbia will demand that the agreement be live up to. Time is on Serbia's side. Your guarantors are losing power by the day."

Stop scaring us Albanians, please. The real guarantors are the ALBANIANS, who are getting stronger and more numerous by the day, and people are getting less willing to fight as time goes by unless if it's for their homes.

"Could be a solution for Serbia-Kosovo."

Albanians are 95% and growing (by birth) so what federation? Does Serbia have a federation even though they are less than 80% Serb in Serbia? To make matters worse, Serbs are spread in Kosova, the ones in N Mitrovica are only 30% of total Serbs in Kosova. You can't have a Federation for each Serbian house or neighborhood in Kosova.

Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova and it will get better as times pass.

Funcakes’

Do you think that Serbs are such idiots to recognise its province of Kosmet in favour for some silly SAA ratification? I must admit that Albanians are very optimistic in regard of Serbia’s recognition of its province as independent quasi state.

Our foreign minister Vuk Jeremic and president Boris Tadic have explicitly stated that Serbia will never recognise Kosovo even if that means no EU for Serbia. I appreciate their resolute stand when it comes to Kosovo.

Besides, why Albanians worry so much over Serbia’s resolute stand on Kosovo issue? I thought Serbia’s recognition is not important since you gained recognition from so many “powerful” states.

Oh, yes, I get it. You are all aware that by not signing off Kosovo, Serbia has all legal rights to claim its province back once the world’s new order takes place. You know that you cannot become member of the UN as long as Serbia runs the show in the UN strongly backed by Russia. You are also fully aware that officially and legally you are still living in Serbia’s land. Does resolution 1244 rings the bell? No EULEX will help you to change the fact that resolution 1244 is still in force.

Funcakes... you are fooling your self if you think the EU even cares for this self declared country.

The EU realizes that the process of recognition failed that not even a quarter of the worlds countries see Kosovo as a country.. and out of the 45 that do... 38 were reluctant, forced or just don't care for Kosovo as a country.


Funcakes, EA, Olf and all of of our other Albanian readers that actually post on a SERBIAN websites. independence has failed.. the climax has been reached.. and Kosovo as a country is a complete joke!

Kosovo is Serbia.. (147 out of 192 countries see it that way)

Funcakes,

I think you should be more worried about how the US and their lackeys treat their allies. Georgia has recieved far more US investment and training in their military than Kosovo or Albania ever will and is currently being left high and dry.

Looks like naming streets in your capital after George Bush (Tiblisi and Pristina) does not guarantuee protection forever!

I see one more parallel, Pavlos. Fyromania re-inventing the history, so does Albania. Next we learn, all our history is originating from a planet of Syrius called "Zeus", they landed on Earth precisely 6996 years ago and of course just in the middle of fyrom, split by two and became Pelazgians and Macedonians. And of course, everything good on the planet Earth, even the sliced bread - is their invention.

fyromania + megaloalbania = pyromania for the entire region.

"Well, seeing how the West holds 70% of the world wealth, wouldn't that translate to enough influence to get at least 51% of the world countries to recognize?"

although funcake seems to believe that everything can be "bought", and although that is a quite childish approach towards the kosovo-issue, perhaps he didn´t think it over properly enough.

well, we will see how world-economics will develop in the future, but I don´t expect Russia, India, China, Brasil or others to stay where they are today. and even today they are states ( unlike the cripple stillborn puppet-entity )that have a significant influence on international economic matters.

"He also commented on the talks to unite Cyprus by saying that the parameters for this had been set a long time ago, detailing a bi-zonal federation, where the Greek and Turkish communities would be partners inside the state."


Could be a solution for Serbia-Kosovo.

Funcakes,
What prevents the quest for greater Albania is Serbia's right to place police, border guards and certain amount of soldiers on the border with Albania. This is an essential demand that Serbia will insist be lived up to according to 1244. It is why we pulled out of Kosovo because the agreement allows our territory is defended by Serbs. Eventually Serbia will demand that the agreement be live up to. Time is on Serbia's side. Your guarantors are losing power by the day.

Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova and it will get better as times pass.
(N'Dardani Po Bjen Tupanat, 11 August 2008 01:10)

1) Bad timing. It's 11 August 2008. To late for April 1, 2008. To early for April 1, 2009.
2) "Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova"

10 words only, but what a twist! To make us believe the first nine words, you should end the tenth with the "O" vowel, not with "a".

Conclusion: best ever I did see on this web site. Respect!

No one has any valid reason why Kosovo and Albania shouldn't merge.

We'd call it the Albanian Federation.

Russia can't oppose a federation, EU and US can't oppose a union. Afterall, they are one themselves. :)

But again, as I said, you Serbs should be thanking your lucky stars that Kosovo and it's mammoth population growth rate vs. Serbia's decreasing population are no longer your problem to deal with.

Trust me, you wouldn't have had a fun time with Albanians reaching 40% or 50% of Serbia's population. Look at Macedonia.

To N'Dardani Po Bjen Tupanat:

""Greece worry about Chameria??"" It just seems the Albanians want to steal the lands of everyone around...

What do you mean, that after the stealing of Kosovo and Tetovo probably, you will try to get your hands on Greek land???

My friend, you seem to think that you can continue do, what your albanians have been doing so far. Getting other countries land without fighting!

But don't be so optimistic. Greece is NOT Serbia. If you ever even THINK that you want to get a part of Greek land, no foreign power will help you or support you, I can assure you in that...

So what is going to happen then?? For this first time, since your independence in 1912, you will have to fight a war and win it by youselves! Because simply, after your independence, you have NEVER won a signle war!

You little Albania, which is still the weakest and poorest country by far in the whole European continent, will have to fight Greece....

I would really like to see this moment coming my friend. Just see how your "strong" albanian people, that have NEVER won a war in their history, and have ALWAYS been the poorerst and the most undeveloped nation in Europe - since today - will really do that...

My country does not worry about anything. It is the richest, and militarily the strongest country, not only in Balkans, but in whole eastern europe. And definetely Greece can NOT worry about countries like Albania...

The Greek Cypriots may ask for Serbia what they ask for themselves, but whould the Serbs in any sane mind ask what the Greek Cypriots are about to get?

Cyprus is an analogue of Kosovo, not of Serbia. It is a land inhabited mostly by two ethnic groups, each having ist own "mother country". Unification with eather is a taboo. The forcefull division of 1974 could not be leagally accepted! So Cyprus, has no choice but to find a compromise and become a two-national state, whit two official languages etc. To apply this recepy for Serbia would be suicidal! Why on Earth burden Serbia with two million ethnic Albanians whose birth rate is immensly higher! Kosovo Albanians as Serbian citizens - this is a recepy for disaster. Imagine they stop boycotting the elections???
The Cyprus solution should be applied for Kosovo, not for Serbia! A bilingual, two-national state that has no right to join neither Serbia, nor Albania. This would be the wise solutuion.

To Meti:

I don't think you really get my point here. The point is not to compare Greece with Serbia, of course Greece is a more powerful country, with more credibility. The point is that Fyrom had only Greece as a problem, while Kossovo has dozens of problems.....

What I want to say is that::

If Fyrom - that has already been a member of the UN since the last 17 years and is recognised by more than 120+ c countries (including the 4 permanent members of the Security Council) - cannot really move forward - by becoming a member of the real important international like organizations like NATO or EU, ONLY because of Greece, how will you ever be???

Fyrom has been in a much better situation than Kosovo. Irt had a recognition by the UN (which you don't have), had an official recognition by 120+ countries (which you don't have), had all the major powers by her side (which you don't have) and still faces civil war and no future, only because ONE country do not recognise them!!

So how you will ever be recognised, when you still have no recognition by the UN, still have one major power against you (Russia), and more than 150+ countries don't recognise you???

What I mean is that, Fyrom was in a much better situation than you - officially recognised for the last 17 years by the UN - and ONLY because of one country (Greece), faces now the possibility of civil war and destruction because of NO possibility of becoming a member of NATO and the EU ever!

Kosovo that theoretically is in a much worse situation than Fyrom, simply has almost zero probabilty of becoming a normal recognised country ever...

Could be a solution for Serbia-Kosovo.
(adrian, timisoara, romania, 10 August 2008 22:03)

Yes, the problem is, K-Albanian side wants more because why wouldn't they want? The current USA/EU politicians in their insane russofobia try to push Russia in the corner as far as possible - for instance by pushing Russia's "presumed" ally, Serbia. Which is crazy for many reasons. As I recently wrote, even being a communist is excusable if someone is against Serbia or Russia. In recent happenings in Gori (Georgia) somehow the news failed to tell, what Gori is infamous for. What a shame. Gori is the birthplace of the most infamous mass murderer of humankind.

The naive crowd of two million K-Albanians of course wants more. The problem is, they do not see that they are merely a tool in a nasty game.

Asked if Serbia could face pressure to change the position on Kosovo, the ambassador said, "such pressure could not come from Cyprus".


mr. boris saakashvili might want to use this as election slogan. it’s the bottom line of his failed policy. there's a friendly country that wont pressure. there's one. there might be two.
good night.

"Human and minority rights are respected by law in Kosova and it will get better as times pass.
(N'Dardani Po Bjen Tupanat, 11 August 2008 01:10) "

Whether or not you grant Serbs all the rights in the world or none at all does not matter to Serbs one bit because Kosovo Serbs live in Serbia and are loyal to the Serbian state as per 1244. End of story. As long as there will be Serbs in Kosovo, rest assured, Kosovo je Srbija! Enjoy your self-rule, and we enjoy ours, but the ground you tread is Serbian through and through!

On 10 August 2008 16:39, Pavlos wrote:

"In order to create a normal country, (...) You have to be a member of the World Trade Organization (so imports-exports can be officially done)."

I LOL'ed!

From the WTO country membership list:

http://www.wto.org/english/theWTO_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org6_e.htm#members

* ACCESSIONS

Serbia - The General Council established a Working Party to examine Serbia's application on 15 February 2005. Serbia's Memorandum on the Foreign Trade Regime was circulated in March 2005 and the Working Party held its first meeting in October 2005. Bilateral market access negotiations are underway on the basis of revised offers on goods and services. The Working Party met for the fifth time in May 2008 to continue the examination of Serbia's foreign trade regime.

* Russian Federation - The Working Party on the accession of the Russian Federation was established on 16 June 1993. The latest revision of the draft Report of the Working Party was circulated in October 2004. Bilateral market access negotiations on goods and services are ongoing. The 30th formal meeting of the Working Party took place in March 2006.

- So, neither Serbia nor Russia is currently members of WTO. I guess that makes them a not-a-real-country in your book?

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To Jan Andersen:

Yes, there is a problem and that is true!

Russian and Serb products right now still cannot be exported to foreign countries, while the products that they import, are not put at any taxation by the countries that send them.... that means that the foreign private companies send them almost illegaly, as they collect the total cost without payning taxes...

The point is that both Serbia, and mostly Russia, don't really depend their food and product supplies and survival on exports. They can survive, make their own products (most of the times are "copies of foreign products or just local) and feed their market and themselves.

Unlike Kosovo, which if it is not able to import supplies, it will starve and never be able to stabilize it's economy... or just wait the "mother" Albania send them supplies and products illegaly!

Unfortunately your Kosovo is neither Serbia nor Russia. It can not survive by itself, like they do. So it will never be a normal country as I said...

N'Dardani & Pavlos

You guys sound like you need a refresher in current affairs.

1. Albania & Greece are no longer in a "state of war." Greece officially ended it a few years ago.

2. Maybe my memory is a bit skewed, but the Albanian government's policy towards Chameria is no longer a "territorial" claim but rather a re-compensation/re-claiming for lost properties of Chams in Greece.

3. Albania is expected to become a NATO member...with Greece's support. In other words, Albos and Greeks are expected to fight along each other..not each other.

I don't expect Greeks and Albanians to love each other any time soon. In fact we'll be bickering neighbours for some time to come. This is the Balkans after all. However, as the last few years have indicated, that has not stopped the Greeks and Albanians from having positive economic, political and even military relationships (go figure). As an Albanian, I'm actually quite happy about this.

Mr ambasador, Cyprus with it opposition againts Kosovas independece is showing a disconsistensy with EU diplomacy and also it subserivent to greek diplomacy.
Im sorry but Cypro is not responsible for region and it should take care for its self.