Colombia, Belize recognize Kosovo

I am really looking forward reading pro-Serbian camp comments on Columbia’s recognition of Kosovo.
Will there be any reference to drugs, mafia?
I bet there will!

blero

As you must know Columbia is the only state in the Latin America that is totally controlled by the US. The recognition was just a matter of time. Only Ms.Rice knows why it happened today but not earlier. Luckily the rest of the 22 Latin American states does not care what the US wish them to do.

Also you should be aware that it's not every microscope which can help you to detect the location of Beliz ... So forget of the recognition ! The operation is over. The mission has been impossible from the very begining so best if you prepere to negotiate the Serbs.

By the way I hope you are not naive enough to believe that in Kosovo and Metohjia there's a conflict of Albanians and Serbians. No it's a part of global confrontation of the US and Russia where Serbs were originally supposed to be the main victims. This plan also needs radical revision to take place very soon.

belro,

You bet wrong. And the reason you bet wrong is because you assume we know as little about Columbia as you do.


That country has been brutalized by America non-stop for the past 70 years or more.
All the drug trade, the civil war, the drug lord rivlaries and mafia is sponsored by the USA. This recognition is yet again another push and shove for that beaten country.
Considering the civil war in Columbia funded by dirty money from USA and slave labour plantations for cocaine, I seriously doubt Columbia cares for your independence.

This is America's alarm bells going off for Serbia going to ICJ, seeking and gaining support from countries such as India, Russia, China, Brazil and other Arab countries.

But this shows Serbia is doing something right, so push on Serbia.

Also you should be aware that it's not every microscope which can help you to detect the location of Beliz ... So forget of the recognition ! The operation is over. The mission has been impossible from the very begining so best if you prepere to negotiate the Serbs.

(Rote Kapelle, 7 August 2008 14:03)

Rote Kapelle (cool nickname by the way -- the Red Orchestra),

Question 1: Is Cyprus larger than Beliz? Rote Kapelle, the last time I looked Beliz was almost 2 ½ times larger than Cyprus! Do you possess a special map (from the future maybe)? Why should Cyprus count and Belize not? Is it just because of your lack of geography knowledge?

Question 2: Why should we forget the recognition? Is Beliz not a member of UN?

Question 3: Negotiate with Serbia? On what???,...., when will Serbia nominate their first ambassador to Kosovo! Ok, we can definitely negotiate on that.

Every recognition counts; Kosova and Kosovars are greatful to each and every country that recognizes Kosova, even Serbia when that day comes, and it will come!

here we go again

second round... more to come very soon...

Kosova is a state and thats a reality.

cheers

Congratulations Kosova!!!
Just when the Serbs were bragging lately that there will be no more recognitions 2 more countries say YES. And Columbia, the second most populous South-American country is no small fish.
And I got a good chuckle out of B92's calling Kosova's foreign minister "the province's foreign policy chief". It reminds me when the West-Germans calling East-Germany for a while "die Zone". Is it pathetic or just childish? Well it is hard to predict how long it will take B92 to face the reality but one day the "province" will be called a country and the "foreign policy chief" a foreign minister. And in the mean time there will be still many occurances when the "province's foreign policy chief" will receive letters of recognition.

Afghanistan, Albania and Columbia - ahh, the three largest drug countries arw now united!

Let me know when some of the more established and influential countries recognise this puppet entity and then I might be surprised. This just demonstrates further US arm twisting on small and weak states.

It is very sad indeed. Good luck Kosovo Albanians, on your own isolation!

When Albanians and other enemies of Serbia start to increase the role of every recognition it reminds me Adolf Hitler's joy in the surrounder Berlin city ... He too thought that the death of F.D.Roosewelt was a good sign of the close escape ...

Poor Albanians ! Please wake up ! Nothing can help you to escape negotiating Serbia and nothing can be compared with the recognition you may have from Serbia ! You are sentenced to live together and nobody can save you from the Serbs. As soon as they replace their comprador government you will find yourselves in a very poor situation. So hurry up to get rid of your own comprador puppets and ease the situation !

Good bet there Blero.

Too bad Colombia is also a trillion times bigger than Serbia in all aspects so it's cool, Serbia can't compete with it anyway.

If you don't get Brazil, you don't say no to Belize..
(Belize Filize, 7 August 2008 13:02)

Belize is a very important country. Unlike Brazil, it's best-known for it's "innovative" second passport programs. So if anyone has issues with "weed" and underage-XXX, here is a place to escape:

http://caribpro.com/Books_Ebooks/Belize_Residency

Very useful for some high-ranking officials in Kosovo, but much less for Serbs. I perfectly understand it, this normal. If you are involved in perfectly legal childporn and perfectly legal heroin business, Brazil is the wrong, but Belize is the proper place to escape from illegal Serbian prosecution.

As for Colombia...

Will there be any reference to drugs, mafia? I bet there will!
(blero, 7 August 2008 13:12)

Blero, you said, not me. Anyway, any self-respecting boss of Cali Cartell surely has a second passport from Belize.

Crime is a bit of an issue tough:

http://ambergriscaye.com/economics/immigration.html

"For example, Belize has more murders than Ireland -- more than 50 in Belize compared with just 39 in Ireland in 1998, despite the fact that Ireland has a population more than 14 times higher and a land size much larger. Muggings, shootings and knifings are sadly common on the rougher streets of Belize City and, to a lesser degree, in the towns of Orange Walk and Dangriga. Hardly a weekend goes by that the newspapers and television news aren’t filled with news of people being injured or killed in robberies or attempted robberies."

I don't think, this would be a serious issue for some "experienced" wanna-be Belizean Kosovars.

The puzzel is falling on its place. Sooner or later all the cuntrys of the world will reconize Kosovo as an independent state. Everybody knowes that you cannot turn back the time and make Kosovo Serbia again. Not without green light from the albanian side and that will never happend. Even serbs and Serbia knows that. Now all Serbia can do is to make some small troubles for the Kosovo citizens and to stop the devolepemend of Kosovo. Somthing that will not bring much harm but is not neccecery. Serbia is just wasting time.


And for those countrys that havenen't reconize Kosovo, they will be on US black book. They are facing against US when they dont reconize Kosovo and US wont like that. This is a way for US to find out who is its real allies.

Those countrys who dont reconize Kosovo will be punished in the future. Everybody knowes that.


Kosovo is a new state, face it.

Thank you Belize!
Thank you Columbia!
Three more countries very soon to recognise Kosovo. 3 M countries: Malta, Macedonia, Montenegro. Many more to come soon after!
Burim

Well done Columbia

For people living in denial, nothing is enough. They keep commenting about those two countries GDP, population, land etc: Kosovo already got the quality states: 60% of UNSC, 74.7% of EU, 80.77% of NATO, 61.7% of COE, 55.36% of OSCE, 100% of G7 (+/- Russia), 67% of World's GDP. I don't know how can you igronre these facts. Now Kosovo needs quantity as they got quality... Congrats Kosovo!

oh wow. two american puppets...

well, it´s always a good sign, when our albanian friends are almost exploding in happiness when two states (?) of minor importance do what they´ve been told by their master...

the real "players" can´t be forced to give in to pressure, my dear albanian friends, and that´s why you will be quite disappointed in the future...

but for the moment, be happy with colombia and belize... :)

though I do suspect Belize did so due to pressure from the UK.
(Peter Sudyka, 7 August 2008 13:42)

Peter,
As always sceptical aren’t we?
Now Peter, let us look the other side of the coin (the side of the coin that hesitates to recognise Kosovo).
Why do you think that is the case?
Is it because they want to uphold the law?
I don’t think so.
The ones that still hesitate recognising Kosovo do that either from the pressure (Russia and Serbia), or as it is the case with a number of them because they possess territories that want in one way or other greater autonomy or independence from them (Cyprus, Spain, Romania, China, India .... should I go on Peter?).


Ataman,

From what I read I can assume that you don’t like Belize.
Well, now you have one more reason to dislike them I guess (you can add “recognised Kosovo” to your list of reasons not to visit Belize).

Now Ataman though you dislike Belize, does that make the vote of less importance.
If I am correct Belize was counted (up to today) as the 149 states that did not recognise Kosovo (now is one of the 45 that did).
Did anything change in the Belize’s status today that we are not aware of?
I appreciate the fact that you try to write in Albanian (quite good actually).
Just one correction, “Kosova eshtë Serbia” should be written as “Kosova është Serbi” (though in reality it is “Kosova nuk është Serbi”).




Rote Kapelle,

You might be surprised to hear but when I referred to your nickname I referred to the same “Rote Kapelle” you are talking about (otherwise your nickname would make no sense would it now).
I can see that your responses to the first two questions proved my point. You know what Rote Kapelle, the segregation between the nations (one being treated as important (that is Serbs) and the others as a second class nations (the rest)) brought the brake-up of SFRJ.

Finally, you refer to the shift of powers. Is this a prediction of yours? Will this happen tomorrow, next week...?
You know what Rote Kapelle, the shift of powers might hit Serbia even harder (of course, unless if Russia rules the world – something I don’t see happening for a while). Until then Rote Kapelle we will enjoy the independence.

Rote Kapelle,

In your past comments you clearly made clear that you are a nationalist Russian, who badly resent the demise of Russia as a world power of first category. You dream like your Putin to restore the old greatness. Well you are not the only ones. The French did it too for a very long time. It took them very long to realize that the Napoleonian glory is over. Your demise came only in 1991 so for you the daydreaming will take longer.
You can not have any confrontation with the US anymore because you are not at par with the world's biggest power. With the help of the oil money you country will try to be a nuissance for us in the near future for a while. But you are not in the position anymore to hurt us or hurt our allies (some of them ex-satellites or colonies of you, who are now safely out of your reach).
The big power today along the US is China. The significance and weight of China in today's world is so much bigger than your country's. You can hardly compare the two.

This is a surprize! I doubt anyone was expecting recognitions from countries such as these two. Everyone is saying Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Malta and Bangladesh, but it turned out to be Colombia of all places.

In a way this is probably good news for the people of Kosovo, as it shows that even countries who have no relation whatsoever to Kosovo or the Balkan region can recognize them, though I do suspect Belize did so due to pressure from the UK.

Colombia, Belize were pressured by the american government if you don't know this yet because they are poor so they take what they can so i dont blame them. i like that these countries are taking american money because the americans are getting poorer and poorer, if you don't know and who knows maybe the americans will not pay them and fool the poor columbian and benzi peoples.

It looks like Serbian diplomacy with its ICJ idea has frightened nobody.
I would like to hear Jeremics comments on this one.

BKK, recognitions form the Islamic countries will come at the right moment, wait and see.

Kosova, on you way.

blero

"Rote Kapelle (cool nickname by the way -- the Red Orchestra)"

This I disagree ! Rote Kapelle is a really cool nik ! Best if you check it in the Web. Rote Kapelle was the biggest and the most effective intelligence network during WW2. And citicens of many European countries worked for the Soviet military intelligence known as GRU.

Belize (ex Honduras) is a state with only 23 000 sq.km. territory and the population of 58 000 ... I suppose that only FM of the microstate knows that Kosovo is something somewhere in Europe ... But with the lack of sucsess Albanians are so joyful as if they obtained Indian or Chineese recognition ...

"Is Beliz not a member of UN ?"

I guess they are a UN member. And if so it only means that Russia or the USSR has allowed them to join this club ... Do you understand my meaning ? If so the best thing you can do is to normalize you relations with the Serbs cause we can give you the quotation only at their request.

Negotiate with Serbia? On what ??? ...

Best if you negotiate on how could the Albanians survive after the shift of powers in the world. Serbs are something you will have to live with and we shall soon make them strong morally , economically and especially from military point of view. So best if you hurry up.

The Recognization of the truth continues! This is the just what is continuing and the Republic of Kosova will soon be recognized by enough countries. Som of so called big countries like:Russia, India, and China are not supporting the freedom of people like of the Kosovars because they are surpressing lots of nations which they have ocupied like: Tibet, Chechnya, and Kashmir.A developet nation, a emancipated nation does not like to surpress and occupie another nation! Freedom for all who are suffering under ocupation!

I can not fathom how a lot of people here take the liberty to addressing various sovereign countries as "US puppets" when Serbia itself is Russia's puppet and has been for at least a century.

How ironic is that huh?

Given the choice, I know where most would like to be.

That means that now Kosovo has equalled the Sahrawi Arab Republic in terms of recognitions (45). They have to reach 108 in order to equal Palestine. Still a lot of work to do, but I am sure there will still be recognitions. Doubt they will come from Russia and China though, something tells me that Kosovo and Serbia will have to, at some stage, go back to the negotiating table, like Palestine and Israel have begun to do recently.

BKK

You claim Blero does not know much about Colombia... yet you seem to know even less.

It is not the U.S. that sponsored the carnage in Colombia, it is the leftist FARC guerrilla, which finances its operations through the drug trade and the kidnappings of foreigners and politicians. Countries that have supported this terrorist organization are the honorable Venezuala, Equador, and Cuba...who also happen to get along quite well with the likes of Russia and China.

Unless, you're a devout follower of the failed communist ideology, I don't understand how you can blame the U.S. for fighting against illicit drugs. It was through the support of the U.S. military and intelligence services that the LEGITIMATE Colombian government managed to get the upper hand on the FARC.

By the way, it seems that Panama, Guatemala, and Chile will follow with recognitions as well.

As they say, it's not over till it's over...

Oh goody. Two more countries recognize this glorified colony. Now Belgrade and Moscow will quake in fear at the might of the world's newest democracy - or something like that. Now we can count on Colombia and Belize to participate in the next donor's conference. But hey, if this makes some people happy, far be it from me to rain on their parade. Though I should add that recognition does not mean approval of anything coming out of Pristina. Bosnia is also an internationally recognized country, but that's not keeping it from being partitioned.

"and nobody can save you from the Serbs."

Orthodox.Ru

Dear Russian, If you watch on TV the scenes of celebration every June in Pristina, you will see that the inhabitants believe that they have in fact been saved, by NATO. And NATO are still in Kosovo, suggesting that the Kosovars remain saved.

Congratulations Kosova!!!
(Joe, 7 August 2008 14:30)

Joe, precisely FOR THESE TWO countries I would say, "congratulations, Serbia". Not many others are THAT low ranking and crime-ridden and corrupt. It's not a honor. If they would withdraw the recognition, THAN I would expect you to say: "Congratulations Kosova!!!"

"Too bad Colombia is also a trillion times bigger than Serbia in all aspects so it's cool, Serbia can't compete with it anyway.
(Funcakes, 7 August 2008 13:55)"

Colombia's population is just over 4 times that of Serbia. It is 33 times larger in area, but has a smaller GDP per capita.

A small bit of good news makes the pro-Albanian camp go insane.

People,

Let's not forget that one country in the whole of the world, where organised crime and corruption are flourishing more than in any other country in the world is (mother) Russia.

So, please stop worrying about Colombia. The Russian mafia is taking over Serbia's economy. That is what you should concern yourselves with.

God bless ...

So that Albanian official from Montenegro wasn't that wrong afterall!

There really is a recognition wave that's supposed to happened between August 5th and August 15th.

The question is how big this wave will be?

20 countries? 30 countries?

50 countries???

50 countries would give Jeremic a heart attack.

This is great news!
Now Columbia, Belize and Kosovo can finally entertain the book reading club that they have always wanted, but never could because Serbia had denied them the right to read.

Why should Cyprus count and Belize not?
(blero, 7 August 2008 14:54)

Because one is in EU country, it's not crime and corruption-ridden. The other is a pathetic rathole where Kosovo can send an aid. The only positive about Belize to say, it has some amazing Mayan ruins and it's past was well more glorious than the present. Unfortunately these ruins are almost out-of-reach because I would rather walk on KM line wearing a T-shirt with "Kosovo je Albanija" on one side and "Kosova eshtë Serbia" on the other side than in the middle of Belize City wearing a T-shirt with nothing written on it.


Question 2: Why should we forget the recognition? Is Beliz not a member of UN?
(blero, 7 August 2008 14:54)

Yes, but some UN members are more equal. Walk for an hour in Pristina wearing that "Kosova eshtë Serbia" T-shirt or walk for an hour in Belize City wearing just a simple T-shirt. In one case you have a chance to survive.

In order to be "more equal" Belize has seriously increase the chances of survival during a stroll in the city, take back all their illegals from NY and do not sell passports to mafiosi.

Colombia and Belize..

serbia has a "minister for Kosova", or better say an "ammbasador for kosova", what's his job, isn't it?

serbia will recognize offecially soon.

send your "minister of kosova" to kosova, we will give a free building to him to start work

Ment,

Absolute rubish. America is funding the civil war in Columbia, because just like in the Middle East, it simply is the best most convenient practice in order to extract all the cocaine, coffee bean and oil from Columbia it needs.

FARAC Gurilla are operating with USA money, which they get via selling cocaine, which they get via poor villagers losing their teeth and other body parts in sorting of, planting and extracting masses and masses and masses of cocaine.
America has blood of Columbians on its hands, perhaps even more than it does Iraqis.

So please, you have demonstrated to us you can use Wikipedia. Great. Now perhaps we can progress to actually reading something which has some bearing on reality.
Try Noam Chomsky.

Remember Putin and Churkin? Where are they to joy us with their comments? Russia so quiet.

wow albans are you really going to visit all these countries which were blackmailed by america to recognize you? With unnemplyment rate over 50%, I don't think albans can afford a ticket to makedonija, let alone all the way to colombia.

It's probably more to do with the fact that Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador and Cuba are NOT recognising Kosovo.

Joe

" You can not have any confrontation with the US anymore because you are not at par with the world's biggest power . With the help of the oil money you country will try to be a nuissance for us in the near future for a while. But you are not in the position anymore to hurt us or hurt our allies "

Thank you Joe ! This is the first time today that I laughed. I am afraid I cannot rise your mood . I have to dissapoint you :

1. We don't care what you Americans think of us. We only take into our consideration that some of our acts will be supported by the US and some we'll have to brake through your resistance. And very often you watch us helplessly ...

2. Russia is the only country in the world that openly and successfully oppeses American domination. I don't think we shall stop unless we lower your role to the role of France you have mentioned.

3. I don't think your economy and the Bretton Wood USD tax system will survive through the next 12 months. So you are welcome to Russia. Our fast growing economy needs gastarbaiters. We have 12 000 000 of them now but it's too little. 2|3 of our growth has nothing to do with oil and gas. Read fresher papers.

4. The Cold War will be over when we do to you equal things to those you have done to us during Boris. Nothing personal ... just business.

5. We are in a position to do whatever we want and the sooner you understand it the better for all of us. We shall press not only upon your allies but upon yourself. "Times they are changing ..." ( Bob Dylan )

6. Trere are only two big powers in the world : US and us . We have the responsibility for the whole mankind. No China or EU can be compared with our influence. I admit that your infrluence by now is bigger ... yet.

p.s. Thanks for the jokes !

Rote Kapelle,

Using big words not supported by facts will not make you and your country serious and credible in the eyes of readers. I am stunned by the extent of your complex versus the US. You should not consider it a shame or sin to not be #1, #2 or #3. Dear rote kapelle even #6 or #7 is an honorable place from a country of your niveau of development and size of population.

I wont type a long paragraph explaining why this isn't big because if I was trying to take someones territory I would be happy by Colombia's recognition.



BUT...

I would rather have Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia and Uruguay on my side any day than Colombia.

Serbs and pro-Serbs in this forum are just bitter and getting even more bitter with every new recognition. They keep saying that it's important to be recognized by Russia and China and until that happens Kosova/o is a puppet state and so on and so on. I do not subscribe to that point of view at all. World order has changed and I am sure in a very near future UN and its SC will need to be modified to accommodate this new order. Don't forget UN is probably the oldest International organisation that has not changed much since it has was formed.

No one can argue against the fact that the number of countries (all of them UN members) that have recognized Kosovo/a has increased since 17th Feb 2008, albeit at different rates. Eventually, all the countries will recognize Kosova/o, Serbia included, and do not believe that is too far in the future.

American puppets recognizing American puppets.

Uninspiring and insignificant.

Congrats Kosova on the new recognitions. Soon more to come. IC should bring fourth more recognitions.. Soon the 150 needed will be there. To all that say that the process will be stoped and reversed have news coming their way..

ITAR-- today Russia recognised Republic Of Kosovo as a soverign state in 2010

I think we should all applaud work of Jeremic and his cabinet.
Jeremic same as many Serbs in here waste their time trying to stop Kosovas recognition as the newborn country and their job is so amateurish. However, you get some credit for the effort :-(

laki bani

I agree most of the things you say but Serbs have an advantage you cannot enjoy. They always have us behind while to be true all Europeans minimum fear you. You know that uncle Sam will sell you at the first good price offered while our brotherhood with the Serbs is something money can't buy. To be frank you are alone on the planet and as long as Russia is an associated member of the Islamic Conference wuth utmost good relations with 90% of the Islamic world you may only dream of the recognition you have mentioned. Strange as it is but the key for you entrance to the Islamic world is in the hands of the Serbs ...

If they ask to we shall use our influence not against you but in your favor and you will see the difference. Right now they don't accept you as Muslims

It really amazes me to read Serb responses to Kosovo's recognition by states that are influenced by Washington.

So what if these states are in Washington's pocket? Would you rather be in Moscow's? Moscow is a loose canon and it will take you down.

One thing I don't understand is how come Israel, Bahamas, Jamaica, etc which are highly influenced by the US and UK. Even Thailand and Philipines which are practically dependent on US have not done so yet. So I truly do not understand serbs and their logic of how this world functions...

But anyways, congrats to the Kosovar People and I wish them success... I hope every country in the world recognizes them...

If china, russia, and india doesn't recognize kosova, doesn;t mean anything. We are not taking the amount of citizens recognizing but the number of countries. That is what truly matters.

The country in question here is spelled Colombia and not Columbia.

Latin America has recently undergone a leftist shift. All these leftist countries do not support the independence. They are led by guys such as Chavez and Lula. Ever year another leftist comes to power, this year being Lugo in Paraguay. All these guys are potential allies, though the pro-west government prefers the EU over these third world countries. We were a third world country too... third world meant non-aligned, and we should stay that way.

Colombia is one of the most repressive countries in the region. They cleansed more of their own people than albanians have been cleansed from kosovo. Prior to the NATO bombing in the same year they displaced more of their own people than the albanian terrorists and their supporters were, and same goes for turkey. The US was supporting thing. Their government can not last if the US stopped their support for them. As for belieze, it was a colony of the british. English there is the official language and it is a small unique place in latin america. It is for the most part not so significant, and has close ties to the West.

As latin america goes, I would not be surprised if a few other central american states recognized kosovo. The US has over the years put in very repressive dictators there, and remnants are still alive and doing quite well. Also, Peru might recognize, as they are under US influence too. But this is a big improvement since 1998, when no states there were much opposed to the empire... now most of latin america is opposed. Just you wait, they have this thing called MEROCOSUR, and that will evolve into an EU type of thing in the future. It is a leftist alliance that would support milosevic if he were alive today, and one that resists the empire. Therefore I have faith in them. These two who recognized are peices that are out of place in the region, unique and disliked. This is just alienating them from the rest of the region, and will lead to their demise.

It doesn't matter what country recognizes us because whatever the moral value,social value or economic achievement that you serbs are looking for,the countries that support our cause have the best. You mention corruption and we have Island the least corrupted country in the world that recognized us.You mention GDP and we have USA,Germany,Japan,France that recognized us. You mention crime try the nordic countries or other western countries and see how they do against crime. Now i can only imagine what you serbs would say if the dictatorial and athoritarian countries like russia,china,cuba,venezuela supported us and the west supported you.

BKK...

I might be wrong, but I prefer to get my information from publications such as "The Economist" or "New York Times", and yes even Wikipedia, rather than from a fellow that's considered to be way left even by liberals and independents in the U.S.

The U.S. has some of the harshest anti-drug laws. Some believe, too harsh. Also, you cannot blame the government just because Hollywood and rich private citizens have a taste for cocaine.
Ironically, it is this demand for illicit drugs by the "elite" that fuels the drug violence in Colombia, Mexico (now the number 1 exporter of drugs to the United States).

Since most of Hollywood is liberal...well, I'd like to see the ultra-liberal Chomsky wrap his head around this one... ;-).

By the way, Colombia does not even figure among the top oil exporters to the U.S. Venezuala does however, and Chavez is still running that country despite his open hostility to the United States...
Also, while countries can go to war over oil, nobody fights over coffee. It's not that strategic a good.

Lastly, dismissing other people's comments out of hand as "rubbish" sounds pretty close minded to me. But then again, this forum doesn't lack for that type.

Support from Belize may in fact have nothing to do with pressure from either the US or the UK - like Kosova, Belize (formerly British Honduras) declared independence in opposition to a larger neighbor (Guatemala) that claimed it as its own province. There must be a certain amount of fellow-feeling involved.

As for Colombia, the US is grateful to it for that ingenious hostage rescue that returned 3 Americans (among others): I don't think we'll be pressuring them much for a while.

Puppets, under influence, pro or against... well, who cares. It matters that they are recognizing it. Russians dream, think, hope to be what they used to be. Who cares. What is important is that US is and will continue to be THE power in the world. Serbs, it seems to me, failed to understand that the period when their policy of opposing Kosovo independence was considered as brave anti-western stance is now finished. For most of the countries, such a policy now is just a "holding grudge" because they caught oneself in a trap and seem to be unable to move out of it. Anyway, now that they sold Karadzic (and soon someone will cash in on Mladic too) they sent a message that "sale season" is open.

If you don't get Brazil, you don't say no to Belize..

Simple Truth

" Remember Putin and Churkin? Where are they to joy us with their comments? Russia so quiet."

The simpliest truth really is that you have a big joy over such small and quite predictable things that you entertain us free of charge. Thanks a lot as it shows only that we are on the right way cutting shorte bit by bit the wings of our enemies.

We all know that thanks to the Russian support and Serbia's PM Kostunica the Kosovo bandit plans has all ruined. The furhter the worse they are like everything the Yanks are doing in the decade.

Congratulations !

blero, 7 August 2008 17:23

I don't say that there are first and second rate nations. Neither did we both touched the item. It goes as a matter of fact and besides I am not glorifying Serbs. They too made things to be ashamed of. But hanging all the dogs on Serbs is very unjust.

As for the shift of the powers it is happening every day. Thanks to tha God , thanks to us , thanks to the Iraqians , Afghans , the Serbs , the Belorussians , the Chineese , the Uzbeks and some other nations the US is much weaker than it used to be when during 10 years they ruled the world the way they liked. The experiment has failed and my country tributed to it more than the rest. At the time only blind and deaf cannot see and hear how farst we regain our natural weight in the world affairs.

You sound reasonable enough not to see the things I say. You are not stupid joe to come to the forum with the old dreams of US monopoly which is now dead forever. Some day you will have to admitt that NATO stake the Albanians did was a wrong one.

red orchestra

lets see now Russia is the power of the world and so is China. Let me explain to you what happens, Russia is being run by Putin with a heavy hand a a lot of oil money that is going into socialist like enterprises. When that money dries up in 10 years and Putin and his clique have stolen enough than Russia will be begging again. China lets see if the US decides to stop imports or at least increase taxes from China like they will in the next 6 months than guess who will be starving. So i recomend that you and your country man look back becasue you are repating the past. No more Stalin but Putin..

Can anyone recall the recognition process for Slovenia and Croatia? I think it took about 6 months for them to get the first recognition. 45 contries in 6 months is not little.
And as someone said, the true world democracies have all recognised Kosovo, the other countries, small, big, corrupt etc. well... now were talking quantity.

frans, 7 August 2008 18:01

Thank you !

Serbia will never.

Brazil is not a communist country. It's a well developed democracy and a beautiful country full of friendly people. And so is Argentina. Argentines are amongst the friendliest and most hospitable people that I've ever met anywhere in the planet. For me it has always been a pleasure to visit any of these two countries.

Their decision to recognize or not Kosova is their decision and I respect that. But I don't understand the bad rep that Belize is getting here. I would visit Belize a million times before I'd choose to visit Russia. Actually most of the Russians I've ever met strike me as highly xenophobic, megalomaniac if not outright racists. Not to mention as a little bit of an old style.

Being no friend of the Albanians and sypathetic to my fellow Slavs I'm obviously a little biased. However it baffles me to see how the Albanians get so excited about these recognitions by absolute basket cases such as Colombia and Belize. Can you not see that this is all a game being played by the US of A and its cronies like the U.K? Can you not realize that you are being set-up for a fall? Do you really think that the USoA and the EU want you to be wealthy and have a standard of living like we do? Your leaders are selling you short. Good Luck because even another 50 recognitions will not help your cause.

On 8 August 2008 07:14, Rote Kapelle wrote:

"By this evening of Friday Russia will be engaged to the war in Georgia. It's a strike against Serbia too."

Indeed - a strike against the Serbian view that the Kosovo independence is illegal. How can Russia argue that South Ossetia deserves autonomy (and later independence?), when Kosovo does not? Is Russia now abandoning Serbia?

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The big power today along the US is China. The significance and weight of China in today's world is so much bigger than your country's. You can hardly compare the two.
(Joe, 7 August 2008 16:43)

Joe, the truth is, each of them are perfectly holding the other two hostage. China with manufacturing, USA with chip/processor design and as for Russia.... where does China get all raw materials from?

Tibet, Chechnya, and Kashmir.A developet nation, a emancipated nation does not like to surpress and occupie another nation! Freedom for all who are suffering under ocupation!
(Filip, 7 August 2008 16:34)

Filip, please elaborate about Kasmir being "occupied" by Indians. Who are these "Kashmiris" by the way? I am not quite sure, but Chechnya is much closer so I will do my best to confuse the heck out of you.

The biggest hero of Chechens is Shamil. Not the bandit called 'basayev' but Imam Shamil. Well, he did fight Russians to the bitter end. Kind of funny, what was his fate, please read in detail:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil

Interesting, how he is celebrated in... Russia today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6jJE3K98DI

As you see, the folk dance group "Молодость Дагестана" is indeed pretty occupied while celebrating their hero. They don't mind to show up to Russians and they got some applauds.

Of course, real Chechens hate Russians. Here is the proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvqHgqId--0
(Or maybe not?)

Of course, real Chechnes are Muslim, they hate Russians and Jews.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGCPTmTpqno
(Or maybe not?)

But the Russians of course never miss opportunity to present Chechen fighters as bandits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-bCv8AVmM
(except when not, of course)

Of course, Georgians, too, are exposed as lousy losers by Russian propaganda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQYUHMvaoY
(except when not, of course)

And what language are the popular Chechen songs, what do you think?
Most likely in.... Oh, no! Darn. It can't be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_zX8mSkOKA

Anyway....Малчык нэ лэз на Кавказ судыт. А то оны сначала убъют, потом зарэшут.
(except when not, of course)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NvhCI0-3kE

That does not mean, everyone is one happy family. But the last Russians and Chechens need is to get some comments from complete outsiders who drive their information from "reliable" sources like... CNN, for instance.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=52342

Blero,

I red few reports about Belize and even who recommended to jump on the "quick passport" bandwagon did warn about the high level of the crime and that the only good thing about the Belize is the passport - but only if one lives outside of it. Besides, it is said, the biggest Belizean city is NY. I think, recognizing or not recognizing Kosovo is the least problem they have.

I tried to look to satisfy your and mine curiosity on today's news,

http://belizenews.com/

Nothing really exiting, except few bodies here and there and that the small country was just ranked 5th in US deportees. Maybe that was the reason to soften the issue? Who knows, I would not wonder if the next recognition wave will be the Haiti, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana (these are the No.1, 2, 3, 4). If Serbia will get a positive verdict from ICJ, I expect them to threaten directly not the big players of EU or USA, it would be probably a mighty country like Belize.

Thanks for the language correction! I am not Serb, but I think tough it would be useful if Serbs would given the option to learn Albanian as a language. Would help them politically a lot.

Filip

Just one thing about what you said regarding Kashmir. Before, I carry on, have you got the faintest idea about it? Or is it your solidarity with Islam that makes you turn a blind eye to Pakistan?

blero

I agree with you completely, but what does that have to do with what I said? Belize's monarch is still the Queen of England, that's why I said they were pressured, it has nothing to do with the law.

Now that gvt's are back to work, they'll continue recognizing Kosova/Dardania as it was the case just after the Declaration. Don't be fooled my friends, we won't stop till the entire IC hears about what was done and why 2mio people don't want to live under that soverignity.

- america may not be as powerful as it was 10 years ago but it still is damn powerful and will be more powerful than any other country! Even Russia has been getting aid from US for a very long time.

- china will not clash with US over Serbia and Kosovo. Chinese do not agree with US only because of its own separatist forces. To assume this means China is on Serbia's friend is incorrect. Whilst China is a powerful country, its economy is fed by Australia and Brazil, MAJOR USA allies.

- Most "major" countries have already recognised Kosovo. More importantnly serbias major trading partners have recognised Kosovo.

- firstly it was "noone will recognise kosovo" then "US will but noone else" now its "40 countries but noone else will". Very dismissive of current situation

- UNSC is a laughing joke and it has now become more of a political forum than a forum for solving world issues. Just like League of Nations, it will have to be reformulated and rebranded. I think this process is already under way with NATO.

- Russia stands up for mankind? Russias past is filled with dark history against other nations and its own people (Stalin anyone?).

@Joe.Better have a look at Worldbanksite, CIA factbook and you see that Russia is withing the top ten of best economies. China does not even reach the top 25. Where do you live, in Belize or so? No TV, no internet? And oh yes, the USA seems strong, but I really hope that you are over 80 or so, so not to experience the political and economical downfall of your country, something many Western people hope for after what you all did to the rest of the world.Unlike now where more then 10% of your country lives below the poverty line, in 2020-2025 half ofyour population will be happy to receive some welfare from Russia. Mark my lips to speak with one of your former presidents.

Of course Colombia had to recognize Kosovo, it would be stupid of them no to. As in any business it would be a bad idea to not allow one of your biggest customer to visit your "store"


Good luck "Kosova" in getting another 50 recognitions before september ! Probably TRansnistria and Kurdistan will recognize you soon, to bad that they doesnt count...

PJD, what do you think about the Greek president stating that his country is making small and diligent steps towards recognizing Kosovo?

Because, you know that Greece is right there on the pressure list, don't you? Malta has taken the decision to recognize, all that's missing is the formal announcement.

The next two in line are Portugal and Greece, and Greece has been softening it's rhetoric for quite some time now.

And what will Serbia do when Montenegro and Macedonia do the boo boo and recognize?

And then, how about Ukraine that is under US pressure like you won't believe?

Good luck to Serbia getting the 96 votes at the UN. If undeclared and "insignificant" countries like Belize start recognizing Kosovo, it won't matter who's who and what's what. You can diss them all day, what matters is that it will be one vote less for you.

At least we know that we have 45 countries backing us so far. And that's more than the ones who are backing you.

The rest is uncommitted, and if they have not spoken in favor of you by now, then their recognition is just around the corner.

Funcakes, I am not going to comment on speculation about recognitions, there is simply no point.

rekon, Slovenia and Croatia both declare independence on 25th June 1991. Iceland was the first country to recognise Croatia on 17th December. Both entered the UN on 22nd May 1992, 157 days after the first recongition. 157 days after Kosovo's first recognition was 23rd July and a UN place isn't exactly on the horizon let alone a reality is it.

To blero; I don’t agree with you about eventual negotiations with Serbians for ambassador they are entirely uninhibited to choose their representatives. It should bee their choice like everywhere in the civilized world.

To ORTHODOX.RU; I agree with you that recognition from Serbia is quite reasonable step, same time commencement of a new era between two very important nations in Balkans, but I don’t understand your claim about the need by someone to be saved by Serbs?! Here you are a few facts which will hopefully convince you and everyone to land down to the reality from a wrong conviction that your nation is so powerful that people around must think twice before seeking anything. I want just to remind you that numerically Serbs and Albanians are more or less same, Albanians have no problem to ethnic or religion diversity, thus your pretension are sentenced to fail in here. And a last query; what would you say if Kosovo gains massive recognition by Islamic nations (let say) for Eid el Fitr (Bajram), or being recognized by a miracle by 100 UN state, who knows.

Nikola,
You're funny! This is the funniest argrument I've ever read.
Maybe you want to have relation with a communist country such as Brasil.

Sirius Black, how can Serbia have been Russia's "puppet" for the past century when for most of the past 100 both were republics in a larger federation. Yugoslavia itself was independent of the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Nexh, Brazil a communist country?

Like a said before...a couple of countries recognise Kosovo and the pro-alb camp goes loopy with delight. The fact is that since the beginning of May only 7 countries have recognised. Of that 7 only the Czech Republic "ashamed" decision to do so would have hurt Serbia's feelings.

Joe

The only thing we were talking of was the the influence at the world affairs and here no EU or other BRIC countries can be compared to the role of Russia. From this point of view we are the only two world powers. Everybody knows it. Say our influence in ASIA , Latin America and the Islamic World is much higher than that of the America's.

At the same time we are number 1 energy supplier. We are number 2 economy in Europe and in a couple of years we are expected to have bigger economy than Germany has. RUSSIA aims to be number 5 economy after the US , China, India & Japan.

Our military positions are strong enough to ignore the US. WE are on our way to replace the US as the moral leader of the world. So the things are running good and we are realistic enough. WE are also cinic enough to say open that we are going to lower tha American influence which nobody else dares to. See Kosovo , Iran , Kazakhstan , Turkmenistan , Belorussia , Cuba , Ukraine , Georgia , Poland , Venezuela and other places were we crush the American plans.


UNE

1. Russia cannot compete the Chineese economy while China can only dream of the influence we have to the world affairs. What Putin has done is that he has PUT the things IN. 10 years ago the West told us to be thankful that they buy our oil , gas , wood , metals ect. Now we tell them to be thankful that we sell them all those goods and open our markets for their stagnating economies ...

2. If you really hope that some day Russia will be begging money again best if you commit suiside right now because very soon Russian Rouble will become one of the World moneys. Bretton Wood syatem is dying ...

3. If the US stops their imports from China the US economy will die because the US industry gives only 10% of the GNP ... China will suffer but survive.

DEAR ALL !

By this evening of Friday Russia will be engaged to the war in Georgia. It's a strike against Serbia too.

I have no doubts the Ossetians are able to win even without russia as have done in 1992 and 2004 but Russia cannot afford only diplomatic measures and by the evening 58-th army will enter the war ..
.... Russian citisens are attacked with hevy armaments and we have no choice ..

On 7 August 2008 18:01, frans wrote:

"@Joe.Better have a look at Worldbanksite, CIA factbook and you see that Russia is withing the top ten of best economies. China does not even reach the top 25."

Be careful about statistics, frans. I can quote from the same CIA factbook, GDP per capita:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

24 Denmark, $37,400 (2007)
.....
70 Botswana, $16,400 (2007)
71 Poland, $16,300 (2007)
72 Antilles, $16,000 (2004)
73 Croatia, $15,500 (2007)
74 Guam, $15,000 (2005)
75 New Caledonia, $15,000 (2003)
76 Russia, $14,700 (2007)
77 Virgin Islands, $14,500 (2004)
78 Gabon, $14,100 (2007)
79 Chile, $13,900 (2007)
80 Saint Kitts, $13,900 (2007)

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Jan Andersen,

I find it interesant that you had the patience to demask and illustrate frans' absurdity. The Russians on this site seem to have a basic problem of understanding the power of the media, the ease and speed of getting/verifying actual data. They think they deal with Kirgizs, Turkman, etc who are not informed and can not verify any data.

How can Russia argue that South Ossetia deserves autonomy (and later independence?), when Kosovo does not? Is Russia now abandoning Serbia?

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(Jan Andersen, DK, 8 August 2008 16:29)

As far as I nkow Russia has not recognized S.O., nad has never mentioned it as a good idea to do so. They merely want to expel abusive and ethnically cleansing Georgian troops. This is the same logic NATO used to expell the abusive and etnically cleansing Milosevic forces from Kosovo.

And no Western country recognized Kosovo as a country in 1999, did they? Hence, Russia won't recognize S.O. in 2008 either. Maybe in 2017, but we have to wait and see for that.

TS
'They merely want to expel abusive and ethnically cleansing Georgian troops. This is the same logic NATO used to expell the abusive and etnically cleansing Milosevic forces from Kosovo.'

And you still think Albanians would accept living in a country that denies that, where the bigest party is that of Radicals?

Give me a break! I cannot comprehend you guys.

another two countries joined the hall of SHAME.

Keep fighting Serbia!!as long as the UNSC recognized Serbia's borders the kosovo UDI will always remained ILLEGAL.

But I don't understand the bad rep that Belize is getting here. I would visit Belize a million times before I'd choose to visit Russia. Actually most of the Russians I've ever met strike me as highly xenophobic, megalomaniac if not outright racists. Not to mention as a little bit of an old style.
(Adrian Gashi, 8 August 2008 03:25)

Belize got it's reputation because of high crime and corruption rate and because it offered passports for sale. It had no visa regime with several major EU countries, but after Schengen came into force, Belize went out of favor. Not surprisingly they are not offering the passport as aggressively like earlier - it's not worth that much anymore. It also had difficult relationship with every neighbor.

You would be pleasantly surprised about Russia. Outside of Moscow which is a crazy city you will find a lot of unconditional friendliness and very warm people. The country, however, is very rural. Same can be also said about USA, except that the rural USA has much bigger religious influence. These are the places where the local sheriff or milicija has THE WORD, crime is almost unknown and the loud voice of the sheriff/milicija sergeant is all, what settles any dispute. You can leave your ignition keys in your brand new car, it won't be ever stolen. But of course everyone will know exactly, where you had the money to buy that car.

Unfortunately both US and Russian armies are full of hillbillies, so if your experience in Kosovo wasn't the best - perfectly understood. I know for fact, some Russian internationals have attitude like "Albanians and Serbs are monkies, we are here to teach these savage people some culture". Applies to Americans, too - very sad, such people are allowed. But army is not a very good carrier, so they are happy to get some people, even trash.

Choosing Belize over Russia for a vacation is insane, even for K-Albanian. To give you the idea about the general shape of transportation, here are few movies about a "better" country - Equador:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8Q455dVOE (the passengers are riding atop of the train and helping to mend the rails if the train de-rails)

On the other hand, the passengers on the roof are missing here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwbqwNU-XBo&feature

This is why I said, Belize well may ask even Kosovo for an aid. For instance, hotel like that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7LeRlh8KHM

is not easy to find even in Kosovo. It would be closed and owner fined for violating every norm of hygiene. But not in Belize.

That's why the outcry of people here about Belize. It's really a rathole.

@Czechmeout - You say "Can you not see that this is all a game being played by the US of A and its cronies like the U.K? Can you not realize that you are being set-up for a fall? Do you really think that the USoA and the EU want you to be wealthy and have a standard of living like we do?"

Actually, that is really what they would like most: a prosperous, stable, well-governed country will contribute to the world, not serve as a focus of disease, hatred, war-mongering and all the rest. Why do you think there's so much interest in getting Serbia into the EU? They are willing to spend enormous amounts of money on aid so as not to have to spend even more on the problems caused by a poor, hostile neighbor. It really is in everyone's best interest that Kosovo and Serbia and the rest of the Balkans succeed.

Russia never recognized the region. They are protecting ther civilians that are lying all over the roads now. As for Bush, he wants Russia to respect territorial boundrys...ha ha. What did that old saying go from native american indians..."Be careful of white man that speak with fork tongue?. You can't have it both ways Mr. Bush. Wonder if this will be the fate of Kosovo eventually. A military move by serbia with the backing of the Russian Bear. It has woken up and has a lot to prove one way or another. Time will only tell. Peace.

blero

As you must know Columbia is the only state in the Latin America that is totally controlled by the US. The recognition was just a matter of time. Only Ms.Rice knows why it happened today but not earlier. Luckily the rest of the 22 Latin American states does not care what the US wish them to do.

Also you should be aware that it's not every microscope which can help you to detect the location of Beliz ... So forget of the recognition ! The operation is over. The mission has been impossible from the very begining so best if you prepere to negotiate the Serbs.

By the way I hope you are not naive enough to believe that in Kosovo and Metohjia there's a conflict of Albanians and Serbians. No it's a part of global confrontation of the US and Russia where Serbs were originally supposed to be the main victims. This plan also needs radical revision to take place very soon.

When Albanians and other enemies of Serbia start to increase the role of every recognition it reminds me Adolf Hitler's joy in the surrounder Berlin city ... He too thought that the death of F.D.Roosewelt was a good sign of the close escape ...

Poor Albanians ! Please wake up ! Nothing can help you to escape negotiating Serbia and nothing can be compared with the recognition you may have from Serbia ! You are sentenced to live together and nobody can save you from the Serbs. As soon as they replace their comprador government you will find yourselves in a very poor situation. So hurry up to get rid of your own comprador puppets and ease the situation !

The puzzel is falling on its place. Sooner or later all the cuntrys of the world will reconize Kosovo as an independent state. Everybody knowes that you cannot turn back the time and make Kosovo Serbia again. Not without green light from the albanian side and that will never happend. Even serbs and Serbia knows that. Now all Serbia can do is to make some small troubles for the Kosovo citizens and to stop the devolepemend of Kosovo. Somthing that will not bring much harm but is not neccecery. Serbia is just wasting time.


And for those countrys that havenen't reconize Kosovo, they will be on US black book. They are facing against US when they dont reconize Kosovo and US wont like that. This is a way for US to find out who is its real allies.

Those countrys who dont reconize Kosovo will be punished in the future. Everybody knowes that.


Kosovo is a new state, face it.

Afghanistan, Albania and Columbia - ahh, the three largest drug countries arw now united!

Let me know when some of the more established and influential countries recognise this puppet entity and then I might be surprised. This just demonstrates further US arm twisting on small and weak states.

It is very sad indeed. Good luck Kosovo Albanians, on your own isolation!

Every recognition counts; Kosova and Kosovars are greatful to each and every country that recognizes Kosova, even Serbia when that day comes, and it will come!

belro,

You bet wrong. And the reason you bet wrong is because you assume we know as little about Columbia as you do.


That country has been brutalized by America non-stop for the past 70 years or more.
All the drug trade, the civil war, the drug lord rivlaries and mafia is sponsored by the USA. This recognition is yet again another push and shove for that beaten country.
Considering the civil war in Columbia funded by dirty money from USA and slave labour plantations for cocaine, I seriously doubt Columbia cares for your independence.

This is America's alarm bells going off for Serbia going to ICJ, seeking and gaining support from countries such as India, Russia, China, Brazil and other Arab countries.

But this shows Serbia is doing something right, so push on Serbia.

Congratulations Kosova!!!
Just when the Serbs were bragging lately that there will be no more recognitions 2 more countries say YES. And Columbia, the second most populous South-American country is no small fish.
And I got a good chuckle out of B92's calling Kosova's foreign minister "the province's foreign policy chief". It reminds me when the West-Germans calling East-Germany for a while "die Zone". Is it pathetic or just childish? Well it is hard to predict how long it will take B92 to face the reality but one day the "province" will be called a country and the "foreign policy chief" a foreign minister. And in the mean time there will be still many occurances when the "province's foreign policy chief" will receive letters of recognition.

here we go again

second round... more to come very soon...

Kosova is a state and thats a reality.

cheers

Good bet there Blero.

Too bad Colombia is also a trillion times bigger than Serbia in all aspects so it's cool, Serbia can't compete with it anyway.

I am really looking forward reading pro-Serbian camp comments on Columbia’s recognition of Kosovo.
Will there be any reference to drugs, mafia?
I bet there will!

Thank you Belize!
Thank you Columbia!
Three more countries very soon to recognise Kosovo. 3 M countries: Malta, Macedonia, Montenegro. Many more to come soon after!
Burim

oh wow. two american puppets...

well, it´s always a good sign, when our albanian friends are almost exploding in happiness when two states (?) of minor importance do what they´ve been told by their master...

the real "players" can´t be forced to give in to pressure, my dear albanian friends, and that´s why you will be quite disappointed in the future...

but for the moment, be happy with colombia and belize... :)

Well done Columbia

It looks like Serbian diplomacy with its ICJ idea has frightened nobody.
I would like to hear Jeremics comments on this one.

BKK, recognitions form the Islamic countries will come at the right moment, wait and see.

Kosova, on you way.

Also you should be aware that it's not every microscope which can help you to detect the location of Beliz ... So forget of the recognition ! The operation is over. The mission has been impossible from the very begining so best if you prepere to negotiate the Serbs.

(Rote Kapelle, 7 August 2008 14:03)

Rote Kapelle (cool nickname by the way -- the Red Orchestra),

Question 1: Is Cyprus larger than Beliz? Rote Kapelle, the last time I looked Beliz was almost 2 ½ times larger than Cyprus! Do you possess a special map (from the future maybe)? Why should Cyprus count and Belize not? Is it just because of your lack of geography knowledge?

Question 2: Why should we forget the recognition? Is Beliz not a member of UN?

Question 3: Negotiate with Serbia? On what???,...., when will Serbia nominate their first ambassador to Kosovo! Ok, we can definitely negotiate on that.

If you don't get Brazil, you don't say no to Belize..
(Belize Filize, 7 August 2008 13:02)

Belize is a very important country. Unlike Brazil, it's best-known for it's "innovative" second passport programs. So if anyone has issues with "weed" and underage-XXX, here is a place to escape:

http://caribpro.com/Books_Ebooks/Belize_Residency

Very useful for some high-ranking officials in Kosovo, but much less for Serbs. I perfectly understand it, this normal. If you are involved in perfectly legal childporn and perfectly legal heroin business, Brazil is the wrong, but Belize is the proper place to escape from illegal Serbian prosecution.

As for Colombia...

Will there be any reference to drugs, mafia? I bet there will!
(blero, 7 August 2008 13:12)

Blero, you said, not me. Anyway, any self-respecting boss of Cali Cartell surely has a second passport from Belize.

Crime is a bit of an issue tough:

http://ambergriscaye.com/economics/immigration.html

"For example, Belize has more murders than Ireland -- more than 50 in Belize compared with just 39 in Ireland in 1998, despite the fact that Ireland has a population more than 14 times higher and a land size much larger. Muggings, shootings and knifings are sadly common on the rougher streets of Belize City and, to a lesser degree, in the towns of Orange Walk and Dangriga. Hardly a weekend goes by that the newspapers and television news aren’t filled with news of people being injured or killed in robberies or attempted robberies."

I don't think, this would be a serious issue for some "experienced" wanna-be Belizean Kosovars.

Congratulations Kosova!!!
(Joe, 7 August 2008 14:30)

Joe, precisely FOR THESE TWO countries I would say, "congratulations, Serbia". Not many others are THAT low ranking and crime-ridden and corrupt. It's not a honor. If they would withdraw the recognition, THAN I would expect you to say: "Congratulations Kosova!!!"

For people living in denial, nothing is enough. They keep commenting about those two countries GDP, population, land etc: Kosovo already got the quality states: 60% of UNSC, 74.7% of EU, 80.77% of NATO, 61.7% of COE, 55.36% of OSCE, 100% of G7 (+/- Russia), 67% of World's GDP. I don't know how can you igronre these facts. Now Kosovo needs quantity as they got quality... Congrats Kosovo!

Congrats Kosova on the new recognitions. Soon more to come. IC should bring fourth more recognitions.. Soon the 150 needed will be there. To all that say that the process will be stoped and reversed have news coming their way..

ITAR-- today Russia recognised Republic Of Kosovo as a soverign state in 2010

I think we should all applaud work of Jeremic and his cabinet.
Jeremic same as many Serbs in here waste their time trying to stop Kosovas recognition as the newborn country and their job is so amateurish. However, you get some credit for the effort :-(

Why should Cyprus count and Belize not?
(blero, 7 August 2008 14:54)

Because one is in EU country, it's not crime and corruption-ridden. The other is a pathetic rathole where Kosovo can send an aid. The only positive about Belize to say, it has some amazing Mayan ruins and it's past was well more glorious than the present. Unfortunately these ruins are almost out-of-reach because I would rather walk on KM line wearing a T-shirt with "Kosovo je Albanija" on one side and "Kosova eshtë Serbia" on the other side than in the middle of Belize City wearing a T-shirt with nothing written on it.


Question 2: Why should we forget the recognition? Is Beliz not a member of UN?
(blero, 7 August 2008 14:54)

Yes, but some UN members are more equal. Walk for an hour in Pristina wearing that "Kosova eshtë Serbia" T-shirt or walk for an hour in Belize City wearing just a simple T-shirt. In one case you have a chance to survive.

In order to be "more equal" Belize has seriously increase the chances of survival during a stroll in the city, take back all their illegals from NY and do not sell passports to mafiosi.

blero

"Rote Kapelle (cool nickname by the way -- the Red Orchestra)"

This I disagree ! Rote Kapelle is a really cool nik ! Best if you check it in the Web. Rote Kapelle was the biggest and the most effective intelligence network during WW2. And citicens of many European countries worked for the Soviet military intelligence known as GRU.

Belize (ex Honduras) is a state with only 23 000 sq.km. territory and the population of 58 000 ... I suppose that only FM of the microstate knows that Kosovo is something somewhere in Europe ... But with the lack of sucsess Albanians are so joyful as if they obtained Indian or Chineese recognition ...

"Is Beliz not a member of UN ?"

I guess they are a UN member. And if so it only means that Russia or the USSR has allowed them to join this club ... Do you understand my meaning ? If so the best thing you can do is to normalize you relations with the Serbs cause we can give you the quotation only at their request.

Negotiate with Serbia? On what ??? ...

Best if you negotiate on how could the Albanians survive after the shift of powers in the world. Serbs are something you will have to live with and we shall soon make them strong morally , economically and especially from military point of view. So best if you hurry up.

though I do suspect Belize did so due to pressure from the UK.
(Peter Sudyka, 7 August 2008 13:42)

Peter,
As always sceptical aren’t we?
Now Peter, let us look the other side of the coin (the side of the coin that hesitates to recognise Kosovo).
Why do you think that is the case?
Is it because they want to uphold the law?
I don’t think so.
The ones that still hesitate recognising Kosovo do that either from the pressure (Russia and Serbia), or as it is the case with a number of them because they possess territories that want in one way or other greater autonomy or independence from them (Cyprus, Spain, Romania, China, India .... should I go on Peter?).


Ataman,

From what I read I can assume that you don’t like Belize.
Well, now you have one more reason to dislike them I guess (you can add “recognised Kosovo” to your list of reasons not to visit Belize).

Now Ataman though you dislike Belize, does that make the vote of less importance.
If I am correct Belize was counted (up to today) as the 149 states that did not recognise Kosovo (now is one of the 45 that did).
Did anything change in the Belize’s status today that we are not aware of?
I appreciate the fact that you try to write in Albanian (quite good actually).
Just one correction, “Kosova eshtë Serbia” should be written as “Kosova është Serbi” (though in reality it is “Kosova nuk është Serbi”).




Rote Kapelle,

You might be surprised to hear but when I referred to your nickname I referred to the same “Rote Kapelle” you are talking about (otherwise your nickname would make no sense would it now).
I can see that your responses to the first two questions proved my point. You know what Rote Kapelle, the segregation between the nations (one being treated as important (that is Serbs) and the others as a second class nations (the rest)) brought the brake-up of SFRJ.

Finally, you refer to the shift of powers. Is this a prediction of yours? Will this happen tomorrow, next week...?
You know what Rote Kapelle, the shift of powers might hit Serbia even harder (of course, unless if Russia rules the world – something I don’t see happening for a while). Until then Rote Kapelle we will enjoy the independence.

This is great news!
Now Columbia, Belize and Kosovo can finally entertain the book reading club that they have always wanted, but never could because Serbia had denied them the right to read.

Colombia, Belize were pressured by the american government if you don't know this yet because they are poor so they take what they can so i dont blame them. i like that these countries are taking american money because the americans are getting poorer and poorer, if you don't know and who knows maybe the americans will not pay them and fool the poor columbian and benzi peoples.

Colombia and Belize..

serbia has a "minister for Kosova", or better say an "ammbasador for kosova", what's his job, isn't it?

serbia will recognize offecially soon.

send your "minister of kosova" to kosova, we will give a free building to him to start work

Serbs and pro-Serbs in this forum are just bitter and getting even more bitter with every new recognition. They keep saying that it's important to be recognized by Russia and China and until that happens Kosova/o is a puppet state and so on and so on. I do not subscribe to that point of view at all. World order has changed and I am sure in a very near future UN and its SC will need to be modified to accommodate this new order. Don't forget UN is probably the oldest International organisation that has not changed much since it has was formed.

No one can argue against the fact that the number of countries (all of them UN members) that have recognized Kosovo/a has increased since 17th Feb 2008, albeit at different rates. Eventually, all the countries will recognize Kosova/o, Serbia included, and do not believe that is too far in the future.

People,

Let's not forget that one country in the whole of the world, where organised crime and corruption are flourishing more than in any other country in the world is (mother) Russia.

So, please stop worrying about Colombia. The Russian mafia is taking over Serbia's economy. That is what you should concern yourselves with.

God bless ...

I can not fathom how a lot of people here take the liberty to addressing various sovereign countries as "US puppets" when Serbia itself is Russia's puppet and has been for at least a century.

How ironic is that huh?

Given the choice, I know where most would like to be.

If you don't get Brazil, you don't say no to Belize..

"Too bad Colombia is also a trillion times bigger than Serbia in all aspects so it's cool, Serbia can't compete with it anyway.
(Funcakes, 7 August 2008 13:55)"

Colombia's population is just over 4 times that of Serbia. It is 33 times larger in area, but has a smaller GDP per capita.

A small bit of good news makes the pro-Albanian camp go insane.

The Recognization of the truth continues! This is the just what is continuing and the Republic of Kosova will soon be recognized by enough countries. Som of so called big countries like:Russia, India, and China are not supporting the freedom of people like of the Kosovars because they are surpressing lots of nations which they have ocupied like: Tibet, Chechnya, and Kashmir.A developet nation, a emancipated nation does not like to surpress and occupie another nation! Freedom for all who are suffering under ocupation!

wow albans are you really going to visit all these countries which were blackmailed by america to recognize you? With unnemplyment rate over 50%, I don't think albans can afford a ticket to makedonija, let alone all the way to colombia.

Nikola,
You're funny! This is the funniest argrument I've ever read.
Maybe you want to have relation with a communist country such as Brasil.

That means that now Kosovo has equalled the Sahrawi Arab Republic in terms of recognitions (45). They have to reach 108 in order to equal Palestine. Still a lot of work to do, but I am sure there will still be recognitions. Doubt they will come from Russia and China though, something tells me that Kosovo and Serbia will have to, at some stage, go back to the negotiating table, like Palestine and Israel have begun to do recently.

BKK

You claim Blero does not know much about Colombia... yet you seem to know even less.

It is not the U.S. that sponsored the carnage in Colombia, it is the leftist FARC guerrilla, which finances its operations through the drug trade and the kidnappings of foreigners and politicians. Countries that have supported this terrorist organization are the honorable Venezuala, Equador, and Cuba...who also happen to get along quite well with the likes of Russia and China.

Unless, you're a devout follower of the failed communist ideology, I don't understand how you can blame the U.S. for fighting against illicit drugs. It was through the support of the U.S. military and intelligence services that the LEGITIMATE Colombian government managed to get the upper hand on the FARC.

By the way, it seems that Panama, Guatemala, and Chile will follow with recognitions as well.

As they say, it's not over till it's over...

Rote Kapelle,

In your past comments you clearly made clear that you are a nationalist Russian, who badly resent the demise of Russia as a world power of first category. You dream like your Putin to restore the old greatness. Well you are not the only ones. The French did it too for a very long time. It took them very long to realize that the Napoleonian glory is over. Your demise came only in 1991 so for you the daydreaming will take longer.
You can not have any confrontation with the US anymore because you are not at par with the world's biggest power. With the help of the oil money you country will try to be a nuissance for us in the near future for a while. But you are not in the position anymore to hurt us or hurt our allies (some of them ex-satellites or colonies of you, who are now safely out of your reach).
The big power today along the US is China. The significance and weight of China in today's world is so much bigger than your country's. You can hardly compare the two.

"and nobody can save you from the Serbs."

Orthodox.Ru

Dear Russian, If you watch on TV the scenes of celebration every June in Pristina, you will see that the inhabitants believe that they have in fact been saved, by NATO. And NATO are still in Kosovo, suggesting that the Kosovars remain saved.

This is a surprize! I doubt anyone was expecting recognitions from countries such as these two. Everyone is saying Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Malta and Bangladesh, but it turned out to be Colombia of all places.

In a way this is probably good news for the people of Kosovo, as it shows that even countries who have no relation whatsoever to Kosovo or the Balkan region can recognize them, though I do suspect Belize did so due to pressure from the UK.

Remember Putin and Churkin? Where are they to joy us with their comments? Russia so quiet.

Oh goody. Two more countries recognize this glorified colony. Now Belgrade and Moscow will quake in fear at the might of the world's newest democracy - or something like that. Now we can count on Colombia and Belize to participate in the next donor's conference. But hey, if this makes some people happy, far be it from me to rain on their parade. Though I should add that recognition does not mean approval of anything coming out of Pristina. Bosnia is also an internationally recognized country, but that's not keeping it from being partitioned.

I wont type a long paragraph explaining why this isn't big because if I was trying to take someones territory I would be happy by Colombia's recognition.



BUT...

I would rather have Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia and Uruguay on my side any day than Colombia.

It's probably more to do with the fact that Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador and Cuba are NOT recognising Kosovo.

To blero; I don’t agree with you about eventual negotiations with Serbians for ambassador they are entirely uninhibited to choose their representatives. It should bee their choice like everywhere in the civilized world.

To ORTHODOX.RU; I agree with you that recognition from Serbia is quite reasonable step, same time commencement of a new era between two very important nations in Balkans, but I don’t understand your claim about the need by someone to be saved by Serbs?! Here you are a few facts which will hopefully convince you and everyone to land down to the reality from a wrong conviction that your nation is so powerful that people around must think twice before seeking anything. I want just to remind you that numerically Serbs and Albanians are more or less same, Albanians have no problem to ethnic or religion diversity, thus your pretension are sentenced to fail in here. And a last query; what would you say if Kosovo gains massive recognition by Islamic nations (let say) for Eid el Fitr (Bajram), or being recognized by a miracle by 100 UN state, who knows.

Ment,

Absolute rubish. America is funding the civil war in Columbia, because just like in the Middle East, it simply is the best most convenient practice in order to extract all the cocaine, coffee bean and oil from Columbia it needs.

FARAC Gurilla are operating with USA money, which they get via selling cocaine, which they get via poor villagers losing their teeth and other body parts in sorting of, planting and extracting masses and masses and masses of cocaine.
America has blood of Columbians on its hands, perhaps even more than it does Iraqis.

So please, you have demonstrated to us you can use Wikipedia. Great. Now perhaps we can progress to actually reading something which has some bearing on reality.
Try Noam Chomsky.

BKK...

I might be wrong, but I prefer to get my information from publications such as "The Economist" or "New York Times", and yes even Wikipedia, rather than from a fellow that's considered to be way left even by liberals and independents in the U.S.

The U.S. has some of the harshest anti-drug laws. Some believe, too harsh. Also, you cannot blame the government just because Hollywood and rich private citizens have a taste for cocaine.
Ironically, it is this demand for illicit drugs by the "elite" that fuels the drug violence in Colombia, Mexico (now the number 1 exporter of drugs to the United States).

Since most of Hollywood is liberal...well, I'd like to see the ultra-liberal Chomsky wrap his head around this one... ;-).

By the way, Colombia does not even figure among the top oil exporters to the U.S. Venezuala does however, and Chavez is still running that country despite his open hostility to the United States...
Also, while countries can go to war over oil, nobody fights over coffee. It's not that strategic a good.

Lastly, dismissing other people's comments out of hand as "rubbish" sounds pretty close minded to me. But then again, this forum doesn't lack for that type.

Now that gvt's are back to work, they'll continue recognizing Kosova/Dardania as it was the case just after the Declaration. Don't be fooled my friends, we won't stop till the entire IC hears about what was done and why 2mio people don't want to live under that soverignity.

blero, 7 August 2008 17:23

I don't say that there are first and second rate nations. Neither did we both touched the item. It goes as a matter of fact and besides I am not glorifying Serbs. They too made things to be ashamed of. But hanging all the dogs on Serbs is very unjust.

As for the shift of the powers it is happening every day. Thanks to tha God , thanks to us , thanks to the Iraqians , Afghans , the Serbs , the Belorussians , the Chineese , the Uzbeks and some other nations the US is much weaker than it used to be when during 10 years they ruled the world the way they liked. The experiment has failed and my country tributed to it more than the rest. At the time only blind and deaf cannot see and hear how farst we regain our natural weight in the world affairs.

You sound reasonable enough not to see the things I say. You are not stupid joe to come to the forum with the old dreams of US monopoly which is now dead forever. Some day you will have to admitt that NATO stake the Albanians did was a wrong one.

Support from Belize may in fact have nothing to do with pressure from either the US or the UK - like Kosova, Belize (formerly British Honduras) declared independence in opposition to a larger neighbor (Guatemala) that claimed it as its own province. There must be a certain amount of fellow-feeling involved.

As for Colombia, the US is grateful to it for that ingenious hostage rescue that returned 3 Americans (among others): I don't think we'll be pressuring them much for a while.

It really amazes me to read Serb responses to Kosovo's recognition by states that are influenced by Washington.

So what if these states are in Washington's pocket? Would you rather be in Moscow's? Moscow is a loose canon and it will take you down.

One thing I don't understand is how come Israel, Bahamas, Jamaica, etc which are highly influenced by the US and UK. Even Thailand and Philipines which are practically dependent on US have not done so yet. So I truly do not understand serbs and their logic of how this world functions...

But anyways, congrats to the Kosovar People and I wish them success... I hope every country in the world recognizes them...

If china, russia, and india doesn't recognize kosova, doesn;t mean anything. We are not taking the amount of citizens recognizing but the number of countries. That is what truly matters.

So that Albanian official from Montenegro wasn't that wrong afterall!

There really is a recognition wave that's supposed to happened between August 5th and August 15th.

The question is how big this wave will be?

20 countries? 30 countries?

50 countries???

50 countries would give Jeremic a heart attack.

Puppets, under influence, pro or against... well, who cares. It matters that they are recognizing it. Russians dream, think, hope to be what they used to be. Who cares. What is important is that US is and will continue to be THE power in the world. Serbs, it seems to me, failed to understand that the period when their policy of opposing Kosovo independence was considered as brave anti-western stance is now finished. For most of the countries, such a policy now is just a "holding grudge" because they caught oneself in a trap and seem to be unable to move out of it. Anyway, now that they sold Karadzic (and soon someone will cash in on Mladic too) they sent a message that "sale season" is open.

Sirius Black, how can Serbia have been Russia's "puppet" for the past century when for most of the past 100 both were republics in a larger federation. Yugoslavia itself was independent of the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Nexh, Brazil a communist country?

Like a said before...a couple of countries recognise Kosovo and the pro-alb camp goes loopy with delight. The fact is that since the beginning of May only 7 countries have recognised. Of that 7 only the Czech Republic "ashamed" decision to do so would have hurt Serbia's feelings.

Brazil is not a communist country. It's a well developed democracy and a beautiful country full of friendly people. And so is Argentina. Argentines are amongst the friendliest and most hospitable people that I've ever met anywhere in the planet. For me it has always been a pleasure to visit any of these two countries.

Their decision to recognize or not Kosova is their decision and I respect that. But I don't understand the bad rep that Belize is getting here. I would visit Belize a million times before I'd choose to visit Russia. Actually most of the Russians I've ever met strike me as highly xenophobic, megalomaniac if not outright racists. Not to mention as a little bit of an old style.

- america may not be as powerful as it was 10 years ago but it still is damn powerful and will be more powerful than any other country! Even Russia has been getting aid from US for a very long time.

- china will not clash with US over Serbia and Kosovo. Chinese do not agree with US only because of its own separatist forces. To assume this means China is on Serbia's friend is incorrect. Whilst China is a powerful country, its economy is fed by Australia and Brazil, MAJOR USA allies.

- Most "major" countries have already recognised Kosovo. More importantnly serbias major trading partners have recognised Kosovo.

- firstly it was "noone will recognise kosovo" then "US will but noone else" now its "40 countries but noone else will". Very dismissive of current situation

- UNSC is a laughing joke and it has now become more of a political forum than a forum for solving world issues. Just like League of Nations, it will have to be reformulated and rebranded. I think this process is already under way with NATO.

- Russia stands up for mankind? Russias past is filled with dark history against other nations and its own people (Stalin anyone?).

Being no friend of the Albanians and sypathetic to my fellow Slavs I'm obviously a little biased. However it baffles me to see how the Albanians get so excited about these recognitions by absolute basket cases such as Colombia and Belize. Can you not see that this is all a game being played by the US of A and its cronies like the U.K? Can you not realize that you are being set-up for a fall? Do you really think that the USoA and the EU want you to be wealthy and have a standard of living like we do? Your leaders are selling you short. Good Luck because even another 50 recognitions will not help your cause.

Jan Andersen,

I find it interesant that you had the patience to demask and illustrate frans' absurdity. The Russians on this site seem to have a basic problem of understanding the power of the media, the ease and speed of getting/verifying actual data. They think they deal with Kirgizs, Turkman, etc who are not informed and can not verify any data.

Funcakes, I am not going to comment on speculation about recognitions, there is simply no point.

rekon, Slovenia and Croatia both declare independence on 25th June 1991. Iceland was the first country to recognise Croatia on 17th December. Both entered the UN on 22nd May 1992, 157 days after the first recongition. 157 days after Kosovo's first recognition was 23rd July and a UN place isn't exactly on the horizon let alone a reality is it.

The country in question here is spelled Colombia and not Columbia.

@Joe.Better have a look at Worldbanksite, CIA factbook and you see that Russia is withing the top ten of best economies. China does not even reach the top 25. Where do you live, in Belize or so? No TV, no internet? And oh yes, the USA seems strong, but I really hope that you are over 80 or so, so not to experience the political and economical downfall of your country, something many Western people hope for after what you all did to the rest of the world.Unlike now where more then 10% of your country lives below the poverty line, in 2020-2025 half ofyour population will be happy to receive some welfare from Russia. Mark my lips to speak with one of your former presidents.

The big power today along the US is China. The significance and weight of China in today's world is so much bigger than your country's. You can hardly compare the two.
(Joe, 7 August 2008 16:43)

Joe, the truth is, each of them are perfectly holding the other two hostage. China with manufacturing, USA with chip/processor design and as for Russia.... where does China get all raw materials from?

Tibet, Chechnya, and Kashmir.A developet nation, a emancipated nation does not like to surpress and occupie another nation! Freedom for all who are suffering under ocupation!
(Filip, 7 August 2008 16:34)

Filip, please elaborate about Kasmir being "occupied" by Indians. Who are these "Kashmiris" by the way? I am not quite sure, but Chechnya is much closer so I will do my best to confuse the heck out of you.

The biggest hero of Chechens is Shamil. Not the bandit called 'basayev' but Imam Shamil. Well, he did fight Russians to the bitter end. Kind of funny, what was his fate, please read in detail:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil

Interesting, how he is celebrated in... Russia today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6jJE3K98DI

As you see, the folk dance group "Молодость Дагестана" is indeed pretty occupied while celebrating their hero. They don't mind to show up to Russians and they got some applauds.

Of course, real Chechens hate Russians. Here is the proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvqHgqId--0
(Or maybe not?)

Of course, real Chechnes are Muslim, they hate Russians and Jews.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGCPTmTpqno
(Or maybe not?)

But the Russians of course never miss opportunity to present Chechen fighters as bandits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-bCv8AVmM
(except when not, of course)

Of course, Georgians, too, are exposed as lousy losers by Russian propaganda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQYUHMvaoY
(except when not, of course)

And what language are the popular Chechen songs, what do you think?
Most likely in.... Oh, no! Darn. It can't be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_zX8mSkOKA

Anyway....Малчык нэ лэз на Кавказ судыт. А то оны сначала убъют, потом зарэшут.
(except when not, of course)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NvhCI0-3kE

That does not mean, everyone is one happy family. But the last Russians and Chechens need is to get some comments from complete outsiders who drive their information from "reliable" sources like... CNN, for instance.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=52342

Joe

" You can not have any confrontation with the US anymore because you are not at par with the world's biggest power . With the help of the oil money you country will try to be a nuissance for us in the near future for a while. But you are not in the position anymore to hurt us or hurt our allies "

Thank you Joe ! This is the first time today that I laughed. I am afraid I cannot rise your mood . I have to dissapoint you :

1. We don't care what you Americans think of us. We only take into our consideration that some of our acts will be supported by the US and some we'll have to brake through your resistance. And very often you watch us helplessly ...

2. Russia is the only country in the world that openly and successfully oppeses American domination. I don't think we shall stop unless we lower your role to the role of France you have mentioned.

3. I don't think your economy and the Bretton Wood USD tax system will survive through the next 12 months. So you are welcome to Russia. Our fast growing economy needs gastarbaiters. We have 12 000 000 of them now but it's too little. 2|3 of our growth has nothing to do with oil and gas. Read fresher papers.

4. The Cold War will be over when we do to you equal things to those you have done to us during Boris. Nothing personal ... just business.

5. We are in a position to do whatever we want and the sooner you understand it the better for all of us. We shall press not only upon your allies but upon yourself. "Times they are changing ..." ( Bob Dylan )

6. Trere are only two big powers in the world : US and us . We have the responsibility for the whole mankind. No China or EU can be compared with our influence. I admit that your infrluence by now is bigger ... yet.

p.s. Thanks for the jokes !

laki bani

I agree most of the things you say but Serbs have an advantage you cannot enjoy. They always have us behind while to be true all Europeans minimum fear you. You know that uncle Sam will sell you at the first good price offered while our brotherhood with the Serbs is something money can't buy. To be frank you are alone on the planet and as long as Russia is an associated member of the Islamic Conference wuth utmost good relations with 90% of the Islamic world you may only dream of the recognition you have mentioned. Strange as it is but the key for you entrance to the Islamic world is in the hands of the Serbs ...

If they ask to we shall use our influence not against you but in your favor and you will see the difference. Right now they don't accept you as Muslims

Blero,

I red few reports about Belize and even who recommended to jump on the "quick passport" bandwagon did warn about the high level of the crime and that the only good thing about the Belize is the passport - but only if one lives outside of it. Besides, it is said, the biggest Belizean city is NY. I think, recognizing or not recognizing Kosovo is the least problem they have.

I tried to look to satisfy your and mine curiosity on today's news,

http://belizenews.com/

Nothing really exiting, except few bodies here and there and that the small country was just ranked 5th in US deportees. Maybe that was the reason to soften the issue? Who knows, I would not wonder if the next recognition wave will be the Haiti, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana (these are the No.1, 2, 3, 4). If Serbia will get a positive verdict from ICJ, I expect them to threaten directly not the big players of EU or USA, it would be probably a mighty country like Belize.

Thanks for the language correction! I am not Serb, but I think tough it would be useful if Serbs would given the option to learn Albanian as a language. Would help them politically a lot.

Filip

Just one thing about what you said regarding Kashmir. Before, I carry on, have you got the faintest idea about it? Or is it your solidarity with Islam that makes you turn a blind eye to Pakistan?

blero

I agree with you completely, but what does that have to do with what I said? Belize's monarch is still the Queen of England, that's why I said they were pressured, it has nothing to do with the law.

Simple Truth

" Remember Putin and Churkin? Where are they to joy us with their comments? Russia so quiet."

The simpliest truth really is that you have a big joy over such small and quite predictable things that you entertain us free of charge. Thanks a lot as it shows only that we are on the right way cutting shorte bit by bit the wings of our enemies.

We all know that thanks to the Russian support and Serbia's PM Kostunica the Kosovo bandit plans has all ruined. The furhter the worse they are like everything the Yanks are doing in the decade.

Congratulations !

frans, 7 August 2008 18:01

Thank you !

red orchestra

lets see now Russia is the power of the world and so is China. Let me explain to you what happens, Russia is being run by Putin with a heavy hand a a lot of oil money that is going into socialist like enterprises. When that money dries up in 10 years and Putin and his clique have stolen enough than Russia will be begging again. China lets see if the US decides to stop imports or at least increase taxes from China like they will in the next 6 months than guess who will be starving. So i recomend that you and your country man look back becasue you are repating the past. No more Stalin but Putin..

Latin America has recently undergone a leftist shift. All these leftist countries do not support the independence. They are led by guys such as Chavez and Lula. Ever year another leftist comes to power, this year being Lugo in Paraguay. All these guys are potential allies, though the pro-west government prefers the EU over these third world countries. We were a third world country too... third world meant non-aligned, and we should stay that way.

Colombia is one of the most repressive countries in the region. They cleansed more of their own people than albanians have been cleansed from kosovo. Prior to the NATO bombing in the same year they displaced more of their own people than the albanian terrorists and their supporters were, and same goes for turkey. The US was supporting thing. Their government can not last if the US stopped their support for them. As for belieze, it was a colony of the british. English there is the official language and it is a small unique place in latin america. It is for the most part not so significant, and has close ties to the West.

As latin america goes, I would not be surprised if a few other central american states recognized kosovo. The US has over the years put in very repressive dictators there, and remnants are still alive and doing quite well. Also, Peru might recognize, as they are under US influence too. But this is a big improvement since 1998, when no states there were much opposed to the empire... now most of latin america is opposed. Just you wait, they have this thing called MEROCOSUR, and that will evolve into an EU type of thing in the future. It is a leftist alliance that would support milosevic if he were alive today, and one that resists the empire. Therefore I have faith in them. These two who recognized are peices that are out of place in the region, unique and disliked. This is just alienating them from the rest of the region, and will lead to their demise.

American puppets recognizing American puppets.

Uninspiring and insignificant.

Rote Kapelle,

Using big words not supported by facts will not make you and your country serious and credible in the eyes of readers. I am stunned by the extent of your complex versus the US. You should not consider it a shame or sin to not be #1, #2 or #3. Dear rote kapelle even #6 or #7 is an honorable place from a country of your niveau of development and size of population.

It doesn't matter what country recognizes us because whatever the moral value,social value or economic achievement that you serbs are looking for,the countries that support our cause have the best. You mention corruption and we have Island the least corrupted country in the world that recognized us.You mention GDP and we have USA,Germany,Japan,France that recognized us. You mention crime try the nordic countries or other western countries and see how they do against crime. Now i can only imagine what you serbs would say if the dictatorial and athoritarian countries like russia,china,cuba,venezuela supported us and the west supported you.

Of course Colombia had to recognize Kosovo, it would be stupid of them no to. As in any business it would be a bad idea to not allow one of your biggest customer to visit your "store"


Good luck "Kosova" in getting another 50 recognitions before september ! Probably TRansnistria and Kurdistan will recognize you soon, to bad that they doesnt count...

Serbia will never.

PJD, what do you think about the Greek president stating that his country is making small and diligent steps towards recognizing Kosovo?

Because, you know that Greece is right there on the pressure list, don't you? Malta has taken the decision to recognize, all that's missing is the formal announcement.

The next two in line are Portugal and Greece, and Greece has been softening it's rhetoric for quite some time now.

And what will Serbia do when Montenegro and Macedonia do the boo boo and recognize?

And then, how about Ukraine that is under US pressure like you won't believe?

Good luck to Serbia getting the 96 votes at the UN. If undeclared and "insignificant" countries like Belize start recognizing Kosovo, it won't matter who's who and what's what. You can diss them all day, what matters is that it will be one vote less for you.

At least we know that we have 45 countries backing us so far. And that's more than the ones who are backing you.

The rest is uncommitted, and if they have not spoken in favor of you by now, then their recognition is just around the corner.

Joe

The only thing we were talking of was the the influence at the world affairs and here no EU or other BRIC countries can be compared to the role of Russia. From this point of view we are the only two world powers. Everybody knows it. Say our influence in ASIA , Latin America and the Islamic World is much higher than that of the America's.

At the same time we are number 1 energy supplier. We are number 2 economy in Europe and in a couple of years we are expected to have bigger economy than Germany has. RUSSIA aims to be number 5 economy after the US , China, India & Japan.

Our military positions are strong enough to ignore the US. WE are on our way to replace the US as the moral leader of the world. So the things are running good and we are realistic enough. WE are also cinic enough to say open that we are going to lower tha American influence which nobody else dares to. See Kosovo , Iran , Kazakhstan , Turkmenistan , Belorussia , Cuba , Ukraine , Georgia , Poland , Venezuela and other places were we crush the American plans.


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1. Russia cannot compete the Chineese economy while China can only dream of the influence we have to the world affairs. What Putin has done is that he has PUT the things IN. 10 years ago the West told us to be thankful that they buy our oil , gas , wood , metals ect. Now we tell them to be thankful that we sell them all those goods and open our markets for their stagnating economies ...

2. If you really hope that some day Russia will be begging money again best if you commit suiside right now because very soon Russian Rouble will become one of the World moneys. Bretton Wood syatem is dying ...

3. If the US stops their imports from China the US economy will die because the US industry gives only 10% of the GNP ... China will suffer but survive.

DEAR ALL !

By this evening of Friday Russia will be engaged to the war in Georgia. It's a strike against Serbia too.

I have no doubts the Ossetians are able to win even without russia as have done in 1992 and 2004 but Russia cannot afford only diplomatic measures and by the evening 58-th army will enter the war ..
.... Russian citisens are attacked with hevy armaments and we have no choice ..

Can anyone recall the recognition process for Slovenia and Croatia? I think it took about 6 months for them to get the first recognition. 45 contries in 6 months is not little.
And as someone said, the true world democracies have all recognised Kosovo, the other countries, small, big, corrupt etc. well... now were talking quantity.

On 7 August 2008 18:01, frans wrote:

"@Joe.Better have a look at Worldbanksite, CIA factbook and you see that Russia is withing the top ten of best economies. China does not even reach the top 25."

Be careful about statistics, frans. I can quote from the same CIA factbook, GDP per capita:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

24 Denmark, $37,400 (2007)
.....
70 Botswana, $16,400 (2007)
71 Poland, $16,300 (2007)
72 Antilles, $16,000 (2004)
73 Croatia, $15,500 (2007)
74 Guam, $15,000 (2005)
75 New Caledonia, $15,000 (2003)
76 Russia, $14,700 (2007)
77 Virgin Islands, $14,500 (2004)
78 Gabon, $14,100 (2007)
79 Chile, $13,900 (2007)
80 Saint Kitts, $13,900 (2007)

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On 8 August 2008 07:14, Rote Kapelle wrote:

"By this evening of Friday Russia will be engaged to the war in Georgia. It's a strike against Serbia too."

Indeed - a strike against the Serbian view that the Kosovo independence is illegal. How can Russia argue that South Ossetia deserves autonomy (and later independence?), when Kosovo does not? Is Russia now abandoning Serbia?

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How can Russia argue that South Ossetia deserves autonomy (and later independence?), when Kosovo does not? Is Russia now abandoning Serbia?

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(Jan Andersen, DK, 8 August 2008 16:29)

As far as I nkow Russia has not recognized S.O., nad has never mentioned it as a good idea to do so. They merely want to expel abusive and ethnically cleansing Georgian troops. This is the same logic NATO used to expell the abusive and etnically cleansing Milosevic forces from Kosovo.

And no Western country recognized Kosovo as a country in 1999, did they? Hence, Russia won't recognize S.O. in 2008 either. Maybe in 2017, but we have to wait and see for that.

TS
'They merely want to expel abusive and ethnically cleansing Georgian troops. This is the same logic NATO used to expell the abusive and etnically cleansing Milosevic forces from Kosovo.'

And you still think Albanians would accept living in a country that denies that, where the bigest party is that of Radicals?

Give me a break! I cannot comprehend you guys.

another two countries joined the hall of SHAME.

Keep fighting Serbia!!as long as the UNSC recognized Serbia's borders the kosovo UDI will always remained ILLEGAL.

But I don't understand the bad rep that Belize is getting here. I would visit Belize a million times before I'd choose to visit Russia. Actually most of the Russians I've ever met strike me as highly xenophobic, megalomaniac if not outright racists. Not to mention as a little bit of an old style.
(Adrian Gashi, 8 August 2008 03:25)

Belize got it's reputation because of high crime and corruption rate and because it offered passports for sale. It had no visa regime with several major EU countries, but after Schengen came into force, Belize went out of favor. Not surprisingly they are not offering the passport as aggressively like earlier - it's not worth that much anymore. It also had difficult relationship with every neighbor.

You would be pleasantly surprised about Russia. Outside of Moscow which is a crazy city you will find a lot of unconditional friendliness and very warm people. The country, however, is very rural. Same can be also said about USA, except that the rural USA has much bigger religious influence. These are the places where the local sheriff or milicija has THE WORD, crime is almost unknown and the loud voice of the sheriff/milicija sergeant is all, what settles any dispute. You can leave your ignition keys in your brand new car, it won't be ever stolen. But of course everyone will know exactly, where you had the money to buy that car.

Unfortunately both US and Russian armies are full of hillbillies, so if your experience in Kosovo wasn't the best - perfectly understood. I know for fact, some Russian internationals have attitude like "Albanians and Serbs are monkies, we are here to teach these savage people some culture". Applies to Americans, too - very sad, such people are allowed. But army is not a very good carrier, so they are happy to get some people, even trash.

Choosing Belize over Russia for a vacation is insane, even for K-Albanian. To give you the idea about the general shape of transportation, here are few movies about a "better" country - Equador:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8Q455dVOE (the passengers are riding atop of the train and helping to mend the rails if the train de-rails)

On the other hand, the passengers on the roof are missing here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwbqwNU-XBo&feature

This is why I said, Belize well may ask even Kosovo for an aid. For instance, hotel like that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7LeRlh8KHM

is not easy to find even in Kosovo. It would be closed and owner fined for violating every norm of hygiene. But not in Belize.

That's why the outcry of people here about Belize. It's really a rathole.

@Czechmeout - You say "Can you not see that this is all a game being played by the US of A and its cronies like the U.K? Can you not realize that you are being set-up for a fall? Do you really think that the USoA and the EU want you to be wealthy and have a standard of living like we do?"

Actually, that is really what they would like most: a prosperous, stable, well-governed country will contribute to the world, not serve as a focus of disease, hatred, war-mongering and all the rest. Why do you think there's so much interest in getting Serbia into the EU? They are willing to spend enormous amounts of money on aid so as not to have to spend even more on the problems caused by a poor, hostile neighbor. It really is in everyone's best interest that Kosovo and Serbia and the rest of the Balkans succeed.

Russia never recognized the region. They are protecting ther civilians that are lying all over the roads now. As for Bush, he wants Russia to respect territorial boundrys...ha ha. What did that old saying go from native american indians..."Be careful of white man that speak with fork tongue?. You can't have it both ways Mr. Bush. Wonder if this will be the fate of Kosovo eventually. A military move by serbia with the backing of the Russian Bear. It has woken up and has a lot to prove one way or another. Time will only tell. Peace.