DS: SRS attempting to radicalize situation

“The DS will do everything as a party participating in the government to respect the law and constitution to the fullest extent and to enable the functionality of all institutions of the system,” Trivan concluded.

What this really means is:
'The DS will do everything in its power to uphold the whishes of our imperial masters, Bush, Solana, and company.'
This includes spreading more anti-Serb propoganda, and making the victims look like the aggressors, letting the real war criminals escape justice.
Oh, and another thing, the SRS and the patriot block did not lose the election - they had more votes than the DS block - that is a fact. SRS is still the largest single party in Serbia. The fact that the SPS was bought for a few dollars does not mean that its voters wanted that to happen. The election was stolen. It's amazing how these DS propogandists spin things to suit their own agenda. I guess they learned that from their American bosses.

Yes, thats right. But I would add that this whipping up of the political atmosphere is an attempt to stir radical minded supporters who are feeling defeated, just in case there are repeat elections.

That is the reason for one group attending the protests. The reason why the hooligans are so interested in protesting - apart from the adrenalin and chance to carry out arbitrary violence or petty crime, is that they are afraid that the government and police will now crackdown on them. What we have seen is an attempt by them to show they are still a force. One should remember the role supporters played in the 1990's and the role they played in helping get rid of Milosevic in October 2000. They too are an interest group and their interest is to have a government that will pander to them as the previous one did.

But I think both groups have miscalculated - SRS may get a short term boost which could be beneficial if elections are repeated. But equally those that voted for radicals / DSS because they toned down the retoric in the last election will be concerned.

This political atmosphere, provided the government stays in power, will actually help it to drive through reforms which they might not otherwise have made. That is due to increasing polarisation of public opinion - again due to the radical block.

The supporters have made a huge miscalculation, which isn't surprising considering their age. I believe the police and government will crackdown on hooliganism and take a much harder line. We will see whether that happens when the football and basketball seasons begin again.

To Tadic and the DS Party,

Do you think this full cooperation with the Hague will result to an end of the US/EU occupation of kosovo province???

I hope you will not fall to any dirty tricks from their end.

I really hate to make any comment when it comes to radicals but somehow I always get provoked by the statements given on radicals or DSS right from the DS. What it bothers me with DS is the fact that they like to represent themselves as the only righteous while all the others are just radicals that should be banned.

What it bothers me as well is the fact that the DS’s supporters breath like one (which is ok by me) and they all share opinion that other parties deemed as radicals should be banned from the society (which is not ok by me). Well if that is not dictatorship then I don’t know what it is. I see no criticism at all when it comes to DS’s policy from their supporters. That is the reason that I smell some sort of (post-war) communists in them, one party system would be just fine for them.

Interestingly, the DS does not bother to address the LDP members whose policy is in direct conflict with our constitution. DS never bothered to warn LDP for its anti-constitutional actions but dares to smear publicly all the others that oppose their policy.

It may be that LDP and DS actually make one body.

if I understand bmrusila, right then SRS-sponsored hooligans are freedom fighters, which are fighting against a (post)communist dictatorship(including LDP) - which is sponsored by the EU and the USA (as Dragan writes)

to get to the point: the only way to behave pro-Serbian is to condemn the violence, which always appears on the streets of Belgrade, when SRS has no better solution.

as democracy is competetive, some bothered by DS and SRS should learn the rules, before they intend to play.

It's amazing to read things like turning victims into aggressors and letting real war criminals escape. Who do these people think Karadzic is? Some kind of saint, if Karadizic wasn't responsible for all those deaths and those who suffered then who is? Do they really think that the muslims killed themselves?
Do they really think that all Serbs were innocent and no Serb was responsible for war crimes?

Yes it's a huge blow when people who were responsible for crimes against Serbs are set free, but that doesn't excuse us from doing what we have to do. Milosovic signed the dayton accoord thus making it an obligation for Serbia to co-operate with the Hague tribunal. That was the case even before Kosovo's independence, Kosovo can't be used as an excuse for not arresting war criminals, and there are only two left after that one burden is lifted from Serbia's shoulder.

And while the Radicals are the bigest party, they couldn't form a goverment. Talks about Tadic steeling the ellection is nonsense. For most of the time the Radicals together with the DSS and SPS were trying to form a goverment, it was only when they couldn't agree that Tadic's european block formed the new goverment.A goverment which I believe will finally do what's in Serbia's interest. These propaganda talk about taking orders from the U.S. is something I had hoped was left behind in the 90's, Talking about spinning around the facts, I remember Aleksandar Vučić being really good at it when he was minister of information. I see he and unfortunately his followers hasn't lost the touch.

We must not jeopardise achievements of recent days.

-Belgrade is becoming a pilgrimage site for alternative treatment.

-At least one vacancy in alternative treating.

-Dr. Dabic's assertion my wife was Karadzic and his advice to surrender is proven wrong, in respect of all his psychological capacities. I'm sure this other guy trying to convince my cat of beeing Mladic will also not appear in our lobby anymore.

-You can wear orange panties withot beeing ashamed.

The fact is that from the end of the Yugoslavia until recently the nationalists controlled the ramed powers of Serbia in one way of another.

Tdaic’s camp victory is the first time when the non-nationalists control both the army, the police and the intelligence services.

But after two long decades of power and privileges, the nationalists just don’t want to admit defeat.

That is the game. For now, the non-nationalists are wining, despite protests.

Rolerkoster

That is not what I said, nor did I have hooligans in my mind while writing the post. What I am trying to say is that Democratic option in Serbia is not the only righteous and in general I support freedom of speech, freedom of self-expression. Even though I am not particularly delighted by radicals I always defend them when there is lynch against them. What I do appreciate is the diversity.

I did not see the point of the DS saying that SRS is radicalizing situation, at what point do they radicalise I failed to understand. How can I or any one else for that matter, claim that the hooligans are sponsored by radicals and that the violence is incited by radicals. There is no evidence for such claims. When say radicals I mean SRS supporters. As far as I know Mr Vucic promised to appeal on demonstrators to restrain from violence and that is correct thing to do. Why would I condemn this promise? But what I do condemn is violence, and I condemn it by all means.

In addition to explain this communist-dictatorship relation. Since I like diversity and full freedom I do not appreciate some filthy tricks in order to provoke the situation and blame some political option or certain activists for their manners. If you don’t know, and maybe you don’t, the majority of the DS, especially LDP supporters wish SRS to be banned. Now, I ask you is that democracy. How you can ban someone’s activities just because you disagree with them or somehow make a bad image of the country. Well, that is not democracy.

Yes, thats right. But I would add that this whipping up of the political atmosphere is an attempt to stir radical minded supporters who are feeling defeated, just in case there are repeat elections.

That is the reason for one group attending the protests. The reason why the hooligans are so interested in protesting - apart from the adrenalin and chance to carry out arbitrary violence or petty crime, is that they are afraid that the government and police will now crackdown on them. What we have seen is an attempt by them to show they are still a force. One should remember the role supporters played in the 1990's and the role they played in helping get rid of Milosevic in October 2000. They too are an interest group and their interest is to have a government that will pander to them as the previous one did.

But I think both groups have miscalculated - SRS may get a short term boost which could be beneficial if elections are repeated. But equally those that voted for radicals / DSS because they toned down the retoric in the last election will be concerned.

This political atmosphere, provided the government stays in power, will actually help it to drive through reforms which they might not otherwise have made. That is due to increasing polarisation of public opinion - again due to the radical block.

The supporters have made a huge miscalculation, which isn't surprising considering their age. I believe the police and government will crackdown on hooliganism and take a much harder line. We will see whether that happens when the football and basketball seasons begin again.

It's amazing to read things like turning victims into aggressors and letting real war criminals escape. Who do these people think Karadzic is? Some kind of saint, if Karadizic wasn't responsible for all those deaths and those who suffered then who is? Do they really think that the muslims killed themselves?
Do they really think that all Serbs were innocent and no Serb was responsible for war crimes?

Yes it's a huge blow when people who were responsible for crimes against Serbs are set free, but that doesn't excuse us from doing what we have to do. Milosovic signed the dayton accoord thus making it an obligation for Serbia to co-operate with the Hague tribunal. That was the case even before Kosovo's independence, Kosovo can't be used as an excuse for not arresting war criminals, and there are only two left after that one burden is lifted from Serbia's shoulder.

And while the Radicals are the bigest party, they couldn't form a goverment. Talks about Tadic steeling the ellection is nonsense. For most of the time the Radicals together with the DSS and SPS were trying to form a goverment, it was only when they couldn't agree that Tadic's european block formed the new goverment.A goverment which I believe will finally do what's in Serbia's interest. These propaganda talk about taking orders from the U.S. is something I had hoped was left behind in the 90's, Talking about spinning around the facts, I remember Aleksandar Vučić being really good at it when he was minister of information. I see he and unfortunately his followers hasn't lost the touch.

The fact is that from the end of the Yugoslavia until recently the nationalists controlled the ramed powers of Serbia in one way of another.

Tdaic’s camp victory is the first time when the non-nationalists control both the army, the police and the intelligence services.

But after two long decades of power and privileges, the nationalists just don’t want to admit defeat.

That is the game. For now, the non-nationalists are wining, despite protests.

I really hate to make any comment when it comes to radicals but somehow I always get provoked by the statements given on radicals or DSS right from the DS. What it bothers me with DS is the fact that they like to represent themselves as the only righteous while all the others are just radicals that should be banned.

What it bothers me as well is the fact that the DS’s supporters breath like one (which is ok by me) and they all share opinion that other parties deemed as radicals should be banned from the society (which is not ok by me). Well if that is not dictatorship then I don’t know what it is. I see no criticism at all when it comes to DS’s policy from their supporters. That is the reason that I smell some sort of (post-war) communists in them, one party system would be just fine for them.

Interestingly, the DS does not bother to address the LDP members whose policy is in direct conflict with our constitution. DS never bothered to warn LDP for its anti-constitutional actions but dares to smear publicly all the others that oppose their policy.

It may be that LDP and DS actually make one body.

“The DS will do everything as a party participating in the government to respect the law and constitution to the fullest extent and to enable the functionality of all institutions of the system,” Trivan concluded.

What this really means is:
'The DS will do everything in its power to uphold the whishes of our imperial masters, Bush, Solana, and company.'
This includes spreading more anti-Serb propoganda, and making the victims look like the aggressors, letting the real war criminals escape justice.
Oh, and another thing, the SRS and the patriot block did not lose the election - they had more votes than the DS block - that is a fact. SRS is still the largest single party in Serbia. The fact that the SPS was bought for a few dollars does not mean that its voters wanted that to happen. The election was stolen. It's amazing how these DS propogandists spin things to suit their own agenda. I guess they learned that from their American bosses.

if I understand bmrusila, right then SRS-sponsored hooligans are freedom fighters, which are fighting against a (post)communist dictatorship(including LDP) - which is sponsored by the EU and the USA (as Dragan writes)

to get to the point: the only way to behave pro-Serbian is to condemn the violence, which always appears on the streets of Belgrade, when SRS has no better solution.

as democracy is competetive, some bothered by DS and SRS should learn the rules, before they intend to play.

To Tadic and the DS Party,

Do you think this full cooperation with the Hague will result to an end of the US/EU occupation of kosovo province???

I hope you will not fall to any dirty tricks from their end.

We must not jeopardise achievements of recent days.

-Belgrade is becoming a pilgrimage site for alternative treatment.

-At least one vacancy in alternative treating.

-Dr. Dabic's assertion my wife was Karadzic and his advice to surrender is proven wrong, in respect of all his psychological capacities. I'm sure this other guy trying to convince my cat of beeing Mladic will also not appear in our lobby anymore.

-You can wear orange panties withot beeing ashamed.

Rolerkoster

That is not what I said, nor did I have hooligans in my mind while writing the post. What I am trying to say is that Democratic option in Serbia is not the only righteous and in general I support freedom of speech, freedom of self-expression. Even though I am not particularly delighted by radicals I always defend them when there is lynch against them. What I do appreciate is the diversity.

I did not see the point of the DS saying that SRS is radicalizing situation, at what point do they radicalise I failed to understand. How can I or any one else for that matter, claim that the hooligans are sponsored by radicals and that the violence is incited by radicals. There is no evidence for such claims. When say radicals I mean SRS supporters. As far as I know Mr Vucic promised to appeal on demonstrators to restrain from violence and that is correct thing to do. Why would I condemn this promise? But what I do condemn is violence, and I condemn it by all means.

In addition to explain this communist-dictatorship relation. Since I like diversity and full freedom I do not appreciate some filthy tricks in order to provoke the situation and blame some political option or certain activists for their manners. If you don’t know, and maybe you don’t, the majority of the DS, especially LDP supporters wish SRS to be banned. Now, I ask you is that democracy. How you can ban someone’s activities just because you disagree with them or somehow make a bad image of the country. Well, that is not democracy.