Uncertainty over Karadžić’s appeal

I am sure Tadic phoned his bosses in Washington and Brussels and they told him to throw the appeal in the garbage bin, after shredding it, and claimed it was never received.

Marko,

In the whole developed world it is the same but in the case of Serbia - in many areas a completely different world - you never know.

This time i do not care if there is a slight delay in Karadzic's extradition, since i will soon be back in the balkans and would like to celebrate with my frnds, colleagues and direct victims of his madness, in my beloved sarajevo...

i did really have to laugh at the tempest (in a teapot) that some? of my comments have or are causing... especially about how i manage to afford my trips, meet people like dr. broz, etc. i wish, i wish to GOD that some agency would agree to fund me, our work. please, if anyone is out there, soros, whomever, please give us a ring!!!

most of the criticism was of the usual s-extremist magnitude: "you hate serbs, bla bla bla..." that is a lie, and i have frnds and colleagues that are serb and of every other nationality that i can think of. i have also many times declared my support of prosecuting ALL war criminals, not just serb, not just the "big" fish. i have opinions about individual actors (oric, etc.) but the impt thing is that they go to trial. i don't like all of the verdicts either, but that is my business. i believe in the hague; imperfect as it is, it is the best thing we've got going, and of course i oppose bush's refusal to sign on to the criminal court.

as far as my being a "self-admitted" jew and "moderate" zionist (from yesterday's comments): i know how most of the nationalists feel about jews, and have seen some of their websites, in english -- it isn't pretty!

it is true that i support a homeland for my people, esp. since we were nearly exterminated from every country in europe, incl and esp the balkans (not albania!) i am also aware that there were "Righteous Gentiles" in serbia, bosnia, croatia, and throughout europe; too few, but for them we are eternally grateful and in their debt.

as for israel, of course i am in basic support of that country, but i am VERY critical of many of its policies, as are other jews in the us and in israel and we are not afraid to say so. most of us have argued for a 2-state solution for a very long time (duh) and for a flourishing multi-ethnic culture inside israel (and palestine, for that matter.) as i have written many times, thee is no such thing as an ethnically "clean" country, city, world, whatever, and it is something we do not ever want to force! those of us who have followed (tragic) events in the balkans should have figured this out by now, but apparently some never will.

finally i wish to thank the support i have received from moderate/progressive serb posters... we do not have to agree about every little thing, if we are on the same page as defending diversity and human rights, and struggling against extremism. we need to speak out, whether it is against the war in iraq, and bush's betrayal of civil liberties... or extremists in blg threatening to "get" tadic. when will this madness ever end?

thank you.

robert0-frisco

Roberto wrote 'when will this madness ever end?'

It will end when your country, the 'US and A' as Borat calls it, quits sticking its unwanted nose into our affairs.
When Serbs are given the same right to self-determination as all other ethnic groups in former Yugoslavia, when the Holbrooke/Albright/Solana gang go to criminal court and answer why they dropped cluster bombs in markets - why they killed janitors and make-up women in the RTS building, when your country either recognizes Republika Srpska or rescinds its recognition of Kosovo (it's the same thing), when Serbs are treated as equals instead of criminals and slaves, when the kangaroo court in the Hague is closed...THAT is when the madness will end.
Your country is chiefly responsible for the mess in the Balkans, along with Germany, due to their vehemently anti-Serb policies.
Now, I'm no fool and I don't expect all this to happen. But there is another way that the madness will end. It will end when the US empire declines and is surpassed by the Russian empire. We have already seen the start of this :).

Cheers!!

So what happens if the appeal gets lost in the mail system?

ZK, When things are filed/served by mail in the US, Canada, UK etc.:

The person who mails the item holds onto the receipt and swears (or if he is orthodox, affirms- we should never swear anything; we should affirm) an Affidavit of Service and attaches the postal receipt as an exhibit.

I'm not sure if it is a similar process in Serbia, but I imagine it would have to be.

Thanks Marko - I can see you have links into the legal world. So in the case that it doesn't turn up - could that mean the appeal can be delayed indefinitely? Assuming his legal representative refuses to lodge another one?

Dragan,

Be real. Daydreaming will not help you. Despite the current huge oil money Russia with a decreasing population of some 145 million people can be only a trouble maker but never again a first class superpower. China and even India are different. The real big superpower along the US will be China. Her economy is already so much bigger than Russia's.
Russians are and will be frustrated for a very long time because of the loss of their former status. By losing the cold war they lost big. I like to compare their identity crisis and frustration to those of the French. It took them almost 200 years to realize that there are not the "grande nation" of the Napoleonian era anymore.

Karadzic's case will be very weak if he "tries" to blame this on Milosevic or even The Paramilitary Arkan because he (Karadzic) had talks with Jimmy Carter on a Truce which his forces violated and also talks with United Nations and E.U. Officials on a Peace Truce. Karadzic's case should be shown on Serbia TV because some "need" to see what Milosevic did in the Bosnia. I say Milosevic because he let Arkan recruit from the Prisons and Brainwash Prisoners into mass murder that Karadzic turned a blind eye to. Karadzic knew what Arkan was doing and to pretend he did not know is wrong. I do agree he could not stop Arkan but that he also approved of what Arkan was doing in Bosnia. The case will be interesting.

So what happens if the appeal gets lost in the mail system?

ZK, When things are filed/served by mail in the US, Canada, UK etc.:

The person who mails the item holds onto the receipt and swears (or if he is orthodox, affirms- we should never swear anything; we should affirm) an Affidavit of Service and attaches the postal receipt as an exhibit.

I'm not sure if it is a similar process in Serbia, but I imagine it would have to be.

I am sure Tadic phoned his bosses in Washington and Brussels and they told him to throw the appeal in the garbage bin, after shredding it, and claimed it was never received.

Marko,

In the whole developed world it is the same but in the case of Serbia - in many areas a completely different world - you never know.

This time i do not care if there is a slight delay in Karadzic's extradition, since i will soon be back in the balkans and would like to celebrate with my frnds, colleagues and direct victims of his madness, in my beloved sarajevo...

i did really have to laugh at the tempest (in a teapot) that some? of my comments have or are causing... especially about how i manage to afford my trips, meet people like dr. broz, etc. i wish, i wish to GOD that some agency would agree to fund me, our work. please, if anyone is out there, soros, whomever, please give us a ring!!!

most of the criticism was of the usual s-extremist magnitude: "you hate serbs, bla bla bla..." that is a lie, and i have frnds and colleagues that are serb and of every other nationality that i can think of. i have also many times declared my support of prosecuting ALL war criminals, not just serb, not just the "big" fish. i have opinions about individual actors (oric, etc.) but the impt thing is that they go to trial. i don't like all of the verdicts either, but that is my business. i believe in the hague; imperfect as it is, it is the best thing we've got going, and of course i oppose bush's refusal to sign on to the criminal court.

as far as my being a "self-admitted" jew and "moderate" zionist (from yesterday's comments): i know how most of the nationalists feel about jews, and have seen some of their websites, in english -- it isn't pretty!

it is true that i support a homeland for my people, esp. since we were nearly exterminated from every country in europe, incl and esp the balkans (not albania!) i am also aware that there were "Righteous Gentiles" in serbia, bosnia, croatia, and throughout europe; too few, but for them we are eternally grateful and in their debt.

as for israel, of course i am in basic support of that country, but i am VERY critical of many of its policies, as are other jews in the us and in israel and we are not afraid to say so. most of us have argued for a 2-state solution for a very long time (duh) and for a flourishing multi-ethnic culture inside israel (and palestine, for that matter.) as i have written many times, thee is no such thing as an ethnically "clean" country, city, world, whatever, and it is something we do not ever want to force! those of us who have followed (tragic) events in the balkans should have figured this out by now, but apparently some never will.

finally i wish to thank the support i have received from moderate/progressive serb posters... we do not have to agree about every little thing, if we are on the same page as defending diversity and human rights, and struggling against extremism. we need to speak out, whether it is against the war in iraq, and bush's betrayal of civil liberties... or extremists in blg threatening to "get" tadic. when will this madness ever end?

thank you.

robert0-frisco

Thanks Marko - I can see you have links into the legal world. So in the case that it doesn't turn up - could that mean the appeal can be delayed indefinitely? Assuming his legal representative refuses to lodge another one?

Dragan,

Be real. Daydreaming will not help you. Despite the current huge oil money Russia with a decreasing population of some 145 million people can be only a trouble maker but never again a first class superpower. China and even India are different. The real big superpower along the US will be China. Her economy is already so much bigger than Russia's.
Russians are and will be frustrated for a very long time because of the loss of their former status. By losing the cold war they lost big. I like to compare their identity crisis and frustration to those of the French. It took them almost 200 years to realize that there are not the "grande nation" of the Napoleonian era anymore.

Roberto wrote 'when will this madness ever end?'

It will end when your country, the 'US and A' as Borat calls it, quits sticking its unwanted nose into our affairs.
When Serbs are given the same right to self-determination as all other ethnic groups in former Yugoslavia, when the Holbrooke/Albright/Solana gang go to criminal court and answer why they dropped cluster bombs in markets - why they killed janitors and make-up women in the RTS building, when your country either recognizes Republika Srpska or rescinds its recognition of Kosovo (it's the same thing), when Serbs are treated as equals instead of criminals and slaves, when the kangaroo court in the Hague is closed...THAT is when the madness will end.
Your country is chiefly responsible for the mess in the Balkans, along with Germany, due to their vehemently anti-Serb policies.
Now, I'm no fool and I don't expect all this to happen. But there is another way that the madness will end. It will end when the US empire declines and is surpassed by the Russian empire. We have already seen the start of this :).

Cheers!!

Karadzic's case will be very weak if he "tries" to blame this on Milosevic or even The Paramilitary Arkan because he (Karadzic) had talks with Jimmy Carter on a Truce which his forces violated and also talks with United Nations and E.U. Officials on a Peace Truce. Karadzic's case should be shown on Serbia TV because some "need" to see what Milosevic did in the Bosnia. I say Milosevic because he let Arkan recruit from the Prisons and Brainwash Prisoners into mass murder that Karadzic turned a blind eye to. Karadzic knew what Arkan was doing and to pretend he did not know is wrong. I do agree he could not stop Arkan but that he also approved of what Arkan was doing in Bosnia. The case will be interesting.