Serbia divided over extradition

'However, one-third consider him a hero, while 17 percent consider him a criminal.'

I'm glad to see that the Serbian public has not been brainwashed, despite all the Josef Goebbels style anti-Serb propoganda from the so called 'civilized' West. The well paid American propoganda campaign meant to make Serbs hate themeselves is clearly failing when only 17% consider Karadzic a criminal.
Tadic and Dacic must be worried - they better call Washington to get their next instructions.

bganon wrote
'However, as I said the bombardment of Sarajevo was a disgrace, if thats hard to take, tough.'

Ok bganon, tell me what you would do if you are getting shelled daily by muslim mortars inside of Sarejevo? As you must know, the majority inside the city were muslims, and the majority in the surrounding hills were Serbs. Muslims were shelling Serbs from beside hospitals, schools, hotels..you name it. They wanted Serbs to fire back, and then when the Serbs did, you had ignorant journalists like Christiane Amanpour and her army of imbeciles there with the cameras telling the world that the Serbs were 'shelling civilians in Sarajevo'. Not only that, you had snipers from residential buildings in Sarjevo shooting at Serbs in the hills, again provoking a response.
As many UN generals have said, the Serbs could have flattened Sarajevo completely had they wanted to. But Karadzic didn't want to, did he now?? Do you even know that the breadline massacre was staged by muslims in order to demonize the Serbs? Have a read of UN Major General Lewis Mackenzie's book 'Peacekeeper' and educate yourself a bit. What you will leaarn may astound you. Mostar and Sarajevo. Not even close. CNN didn't teach you that did they? Of course not, they would not dare put their beloved Croats in a bad light, even after they destroyed the famous bridge!

Karadžić is neither seen as a hero nor a criminal by 42 percent of citizens polled. However, one-third consider him a hero, while 17 percent consider him a criminal.
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There you have it bganon, the protesters do support more of Serbia's view than not - instead of the usual football hooligans you like to spin. In fact, your view falls within the 17% category so you represent the small minority. Of course this does not concern dictators.

The fact that over 80% of Serbs agree that the Hague is a political court out to justify misguided Balkan policies, just goes to show you how poor of a job this court has done.

The anti Serbian camp will try to turn this around to suggest Serbs are in denial over crimes committed by them during the war, however, that's not the issue here.

What Serbs are saying is that the Hague is not representing justice, otherwise they would be much more robust in seeking indictments against Bosnian Muslims, Albanians, and Croatians for the crimes they committed against Serbs. Not to mention the acquittals of the likes of Naser Oric and Haradinaj.

However, if more truth was shed on this, it would make lots of foreign services and media in certain western capitals look really bad, and that's why the Hague is the way it is.

Unfortunately, because the truth is being hidden, there will be no justice and thus no reconciliation unless the fmr Yugo countries work together on it. This might be possible between Croatia and Serbia, however with Silajdic and Thaci, I doubt this could be worked out with the Islamic side.

As I stated some time ago DSS abandoned reason, in my opinion, a few years ago.

So the only choice to make is choosing between a government that isn't honest about the EU and a rather violent opposition that has no answers either to the EU or Kosovo.

No choice at all really.

who is taking this poll? It makes no sense.
70% support cooperation with the tribunal but 54% are agains extradition and 86% think it is subjective agains Serbia.
They must have asked a different group of people each question.

Sorry to disappoint you Mr bganon but 83% of Serbians do not consider Karadžić a war criminal - so really I don't know what else to say. But the dictators obviously couldn't care less! Also, what's this talk of a coup? Where did that come from? Do you realise how difficult it is to overthrow dictators? Look at Zimbabwe and Pakistan - it seems almost impossible!

bganon,
You have quite the imagination there. Just how did Serbia provoke NATO? Serbia never attacked NATO, NATO cowardly attacked Serbia from 15,000 ft above and bombed infrastructure and civilian targets. There was absolutely zero provocation from Serbia, and this a blatant war crime.
I can see your knowledge of the civil war in Bosnia is limited. Hello, there were Serbs living in Sarajevo too, especially in Grbavica, and they were getting attacked by muslims daily, even on holidays.
At least you are showing your true face bganon. I very much doubt you are a Serb, the way you bend the truth.
Cheers!!

However, as I said the bombardment of Sarajevo was a disgrace, if thats hard to take, tough.
(bganon, 25 July 2008 19:57)
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Out of curiosity, where were you when Belgrade, Novi Sad and the rest of Serbia was being bombed. By any change, were you known then as bgnon?

bganon, you seem to be of the opinion that if one is going to get raped anyway, then you might as well bend over and enjoy it. You even seem to feel the need to condemn those who would resist as if this somehow provoke/justified the attack in the first place.

A coward dies a thousand times...

Balkan affair, either sarajevo or Belgrade. Now Let's see how long before an albanian starts crying saying he should go to holland or it's an international affair etc etc....

Marko

ZK if that is the case then where are they - a few hundred in these protests with the hooligan element included, is quite frankly, embarassing.

I think its more bellyaching by self declared patriots who think words and emotion are more real than action and reality.

Still, its an opportunity in a way, this gives the new government the new excuse it needs to restore some order in society. I have a feeling that this time 'patriotic' forces are digging their own grave. I don't mean that literally by the way.

By the way ZK your ridiculous claim about how somehow the west hired troublemakers in the crowd - you might want to consider that even SRS have not taken such an extreme view.

My view by the way is that Karadzic should face trial, not that he is guilty or innocent. However, as I said the bombardment of Sarajevo was a disgrace, if thats hard to take, tough.

Good luck with the coup!

Dragan let me see, so you justified NATO bombardment of civilians in Belgrade? Don't understand? Think about it.

Some people were bombing Belgrade, people that could have easily withdrawn, people that had no particular military objective (why bomb then?). In fact the people in Belgrade were to blame for civilian deaths because they were trying to fire back. Poor NATO was not to blame for being provoked, they could not control themselves.

Ah the breadline massacre - the theory that one or two cases of disputed murder of civilians in Sarejevo markets absolve Bosnian Serb forces from ANY responsibility of bombing Sarajevo. Hello, why was Sarajevo being bombed at all if Bosnian Serb forces were not going to take the town? Did you ever ask yourself what it was all for? Go to Sarajevo and think about it. Did it help anybody? Is Sarajevo a Serb town, or in fact are there now less Serbs living in the town than before?

The bombardment was cruel and unnecessary.

'However, one-third consider him a hero, while 17 percent consider him a criminal.'

I'm glad to see that the Serbian public has not been brainwashed, despite all the Josef Goebbels style anti-Serb propoganda from the so called 'civilized' West. The well paid American propoganda campaign meant to make Serbs hate themeselves is clearly failing when only 17% consider Karadzic a criminal.
Tadic and Dacic must be worried - they better call Washington to get their next instructions.

Karadžić is neither seen as a hero nor a criminal by 42 percent of citizens polled. However, one-third consider him a hero, while 17 percent consider him a criminal.
--
There you have it bganon, the protesters do support more of Serbia's view than not - instead of the usual football hooligans you like to spin. In fact, your view falls within the 17% category so you represent the small minority. Of course this does not concern dictators.

Balkan affair, either sarajevo or Belgrade. Now Let's see how long before an albanian starts crying saying he should go to holland or it's an international affair etc etc....

Marko

who is taking this poll? It makes no sense.
70% support cooperation with the tribunal but 54% are agains extradition and 86% think it is subjective agains Serbia.
They must have asked a different group of people each question.

The fact that over 80% of Serbs agree that the Hague is a political court out to justify misguided Balkan policies, just goes to show you how poor of a job this court has done.

The anti Serbian camp will try to turn this around to suggest Serbs are in denial over crimes committed by them during the war, however, that's not the issue here.

What Serbs are saying is that the Hague is not representing justice, otherwise they would be much more robust in seeking indictments against Bosnian Muslims, Albanians, and Croatians for the crimes they committed against Serbs. Not to mention the acquittals of the likes of Naser Oric and Haradinaj.

However, if more truth was shed on this, it would make lots of foreign services and media in certain western capitals look really bad, and that's why the Hague is the way it is.

Unfortunately, because the truth is being hidden, there will be no justice and thus no reconciliation unless the fmr Yugo countries work together on it. This might be possible between Croatia and Serbia, however with Silajdic and Thaci, I doubt this could be worked out with the Islamic side.

ZK if that is the case then where are they - a few hundred in these protests with the hooligan element included, is quite frankly, embarassing.

I think its more bellyaching by self declared patriots who think words and emotion are more real than action and reality.

Still, its an opportunity in a way, this gives the new government the new excuse it needs to restore some order in society. I have a feeling that this time 'patriotic' forces are digging their own grave. I don't mean that literally by the way.

By the way ZK your ridiculous claim about how somehow the west hired troublemakers in the crowd - you might want to consider that even SRS have not taken such an extreme view.

My view by the way is that Karadzic should face trial, not that he is guilty or innocent. However, as I said the bombardment of Sarajevo was a disgrace, if thats hard to take, tough.

Good luck with the coup!

As I stated some time ago DSS abandoned reason, in my opinion, a few years ago.

So the only choice to make is choosing between a government that isn't honest about the EU and a rather violent opposition that has no answers either to the EU or Kosovo.

No choice at all really.

Sorry to disappoint you Mr bganon but 83% of Serbians do not consider Karadžić a war criminal - so really I don't know what else to say. But the dictators obviously couldn't care less! Also, what's this talk of a coup? Where did that come from? Do you realise how difficult it is to overthrow dictators? Look at Zimbabwe and Pakistan - it seems almost impossible!

However, as I said the bombardment of Sarajevo was a disgrace, if thats hard to take, tough.
(bganon, 25 July 2008 19:57)
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Out of curiosity, where were you when Belgrade, Novi Sad and the rest of Serbia was being bombed. By any change, were you known then as bgnon?

bganon wrote
'However, as I said the bombardment of Sarajevo was a disgrace, if thats hard to take, tough.'

Ok bganon, tell me what you would do if you are getting shelled daily by muslim mortars inside of Sarejevo? As you must know, the majority inside the city were muslims, and the majority in the surrounding hills were Serbs. Muslims were shelling Serbs from beside hospitals, schools, hotels..you name it. They wanted Serbs to fire back, and then when the Serbs did, you had ignorant journalists like Christiane Amanpour and her army of imbeciles there with the cameras telling the world that the Serbs were 'shelling civilians in Sarajevo'. Not only that, you had snipers from residential buildings in Sarjevo shooting at Serbs in the hills, again provoking a response.
As many UN generals have said, the Serbs could have flattened Sarajevo completely had they wanted to. But Karadzic didn't want to, did he now?? Do you even know that the breadline massacre was staged by muslims in order to demonize the Serbs? Have a read of UN Major General Lewis Mackenzie's book 'Peacekeeper' and educate yourself a bit. What you will leaarn may astound you. Mostar and Sarajevo. Not even close. CNN didn't teach you that did they? Of course not, they would not dare put their beloved Croats in a bad light, even after they destroyed the famous bridge!

Dragan let me see, so you justified NATO bombardment of civilians in Belgrade? Don't understand? Think about it.

Some people were bombing Belgrade, people that could have easily withdrawn, people that had no particular military objective (why bomb then?). In fact the people in Belgrade were to blame for civilian deaths because they were trying to fire back. Poor NATO was not to blame for being provoked, they could not control themselves.

Ah the breadline massacre - the theory that one or two cases of disputed murder of civilians in Sarejevo markets absolve Bosnian Serb forces from ANY responsibility of bombing Sarajevo. Hello, why was Sarajevo being bombed at all if Bosnian Serb forces were not going to take the town? Did you ever ask yourself what it was all for? Go to Sarajevo and think about it. Did it help anybody? Is Sarajevo a Serb town, or in fact are there now less Serbs living in the town than before?

The bombardment was cruel and unnecessary.

bganon,
You have quite the imagination there. Just how did Serbia provoke NATO? Serbia never attacked NATO, NATO cowardly attacked Serbia from 15,000 ft above and bombed infrastructure and civilian targets. There was absolutely zero provocation from Serbia, and this a blatant war crime.
I can see your knowledge of the civil war in Bosnia is limited. Hello, there were Serbs living in Sarajevo too, especially in Grbavica, and they were getting attacked by muslims daily, even on holidays.
At least you are showing your true face bganon. I very much doubt you are a Serb, the way you bend the truth.
Cheers!!

bganon, you seem to be of the opinion that if one is going to get raped anyway, then you might as well bend over and enjoy it. You even seem to feel the need to condemn those who would resist as if this somehow provoke/justified the attack in the first place.

A coward dies a thousand times...