ZK I have said before that I am not an employee of B92 and never have been so I won't waste my breath on the subject any more. And the idea that I somehow have access to posts here is absurd.
My posts have been edited.
B92 I think consistency is the key. Actually I suspect your editorial policy will be slightly adjusted in the current political atmosphere where hate speech has become an issue, which is no bad thing. However, let us not go overboard.... As has always been the case I will continue to criticise if I think B92 get it wrong and compliment when right.
No, you are way too biased to consider yourself objective and critical-minded person.
What all foreigners failed to do during the unfortunate war in ex YU, is the fact they were just the superficial observers without looking for the reasons why the war occurred at first place.
The roots are bit deeper than the one can even imagine, and if the one think that circle is closed I dare to say it is again wrong and simple observation. Unfortunately, Balkan is never closing circle. And do you know why? Just because of the characters as you are, the one who takes only one side to blame. But I guess that is the easiest approach in solving things out for the moment. Just put all the blame on one side and finish with it. As long as you leave one side frustrated there is no much room for any form of true reconciliation.
B92: Your censorship of posters on these comment boards has earned you a deficit of sympathy. It's standard to remove obscenities from a post. It's ludicrous to copyedit a post at the pleasure of the editor. That's not how it's done in the west. So since your techniques smack of ITAR-TASS circa 1982, few have sympathy for the freedom and security of press you expect.
Who do you think beat up the journalists at the march? Tadic supporters?
You've got to be joking me with your excuses for the violence that you're supporting. First, it's the BIA (who are suddenly not loyal to Kostunica after 15 years), then it's pure propaganda by B92 because there's no "evidence". I await your next excuse for the violence being perpetrated by your nationalist and SRS friends with bated breath. Shameful.
If those journalists had just focussed on why law-and-order doesn't work like it should everything would be ok. But instead they seem focussed on their ideological agenda and to see those incidents as just another opportunity to attack their ideological adversaries.
Dear journalists, please decide for yourself whether you want to be a journalist - just describing what is happening and letting the public decide for themselves - or that you are propagandists for some ideological movement.
Ok B92, I am not really too concerned with the constant editing of my posts directed at bganon - as I believe he is privy to the unedited posts anyway - so no loss on my part - except only your readers will not get the full story.
I totally agree with the gist of the article -- it is an absolute scandal that these photographers and journalists are cannon fodder for every extremist demo. and even though I am not there, on the scene, i do NOT agree that the police are usually doing a good job about it. enough said.
one more point: if this is how journalists from b92 are treated -- kicked and made half-crippled, imagine how "nice" are said extremists with "enemy" civilians. it makes my blood boil! the atrocities committed, consistently, against civilians of all other ethnicities in the former Yu, particularly croatians, bosnians, and of course albanians. there is still so much denial around this -- and an insistence that "everyone did bad things, so there!" while it is true that bad things happened on all sides, and need to be adjudicated, the violence from the serb extremists was unparalleled -- and i would add, would STILL be going on if they had the run of land in Kosova. which they do not, anymore, thank god!
i would also like to point out that individual serbs, with a conscience, were also regularly targeted by these extremists, and often treated miserably, or even killed, as so-called traitors to their race. does this all ring a bell? and echoes of this can still be felt, even here, when "moderate" serb posters say things that the nationalists don't like.
nevertheless, people of conscience must continue to speak out, regardless of put-downs and intimidation, and we must support one another. as with these journalists.
thanks, b-92, for keeping us informed of these stories. yes, i am often (rightly) critical, but i think in the end, down (very) deep, we are potential allies...
We believe that our disclaimer as it is provides sufficient explanation that we find personal disqualifications and insults among our readers unacceptable. We also invite them to, and are grateful when they alert us that posts of the kind slip by.
The point of such communication escapes us, unless it be to cause a similar response, to then watch the dialogue spiral out of control. We have no interest in allowing that.
At the same time, we are not happy to edit anyone's posts, but hope to, as it were, lead by example and treat those readers who criticize and those who praise us equally respectfully, and prevent either from feeling personally insulted after reading the contents of our pages.
Needless to say we are happy to provide an opportunity for our visitors to express themselves.
B92 was it necessary to censor my post because I called ZK's theory on the protest 'global conspiracy'. Come on...
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Haha, very funny bganon. Someone who works for B52 and is on their preferred VIP poster's list doesn't need to be concerned with having their comments edited.
Olf, I am merely responding to claims made by B92 that its cameraman was beaten by "nationalists" and "SRS" supporters without providing a shred of evidence - now that speaks volumes about B52s supposed impartiality.
As for BBC News, just go to "Have Your Say", click on views on "Radovan Karadzic" sort by "Readers Recommended" and you will see that the overwhelming majority generally blame the West for the suffering in the former YU - and call for the Clintons, Albrights, Clarks and Solanas of this world to be brought to justice - and not just the British but also Muslims.
Have you ever wondered by the Islamic and Arab world do not support Kosovo independence?
B92 was it necessary to censor my post because I called ZK's theory on the protest 'global conspiracy'. Come on...
Perhaps upon occasion it might be useful to cut down some of the anger and hateful words, but please, its your job to make sure that hateful words are not used, not to ensure relations between us stay amicable, noble though that ambition might be.
If you cannot clarify I request that new guidelines are issued. I do appreciate that you have a lot of work on your hands at the moment though.
B92 journalist was attacked yet you come with some kind of scenario.
Mate, why are you supporting violence. Ordinary Serbian is tired form violence that is funded and supported by Serbs abroad who think that they are more Serbs than those in Serbia proper, it sends them back 15 years. Journalist is beaten badly and every human being should condone it.
(ZK UK, 24 July 2008 17:16) - I didn't realise you spoke for the whole world Olf. Only yesterday I was reading through the "Have your say" section on BBC News and once again the overwhelming majority were supporting the Serbian cause.
To answer your yesterdays comment:
"Ignorance at Bliss" is exactly what your postings are ZK.
I have also read comments in BBC and I did not see any support for any Serbian claim. In fact posts in there show that British people remember the pain that Serbian forces caused to civilians in former SFRJ by massacring civilians, rapping women and burying them in massive graves.
B92 seems to be upset about hooligans beating a cameraman and journalists. How about B92 media beating the Truth and filtering out the Facts. You are as aggressive as those hooligans.
bmrusila not all demonstrations end in violence. If you are old enough to remember the 1990's you will also remember many demos when flowers were being passed to the police, rather than chairs being thrown at them and artistic objects smashed.
But I agree with you, what is wrong with these people? And if they cannot behave normally do we have any choice but to punish them?
But I can't comment about this particular case and the police reaction. From what I have seen on the square the police have reacted quite well (and with restraint) as soon as the supporters threaten to get violent.
ZK, sometimes a spade is just a spade. Perhaps if protests are continuing once you get here you will realise (and admit) how wrong you are.
I find attacking journalists, such as the bombardment of RTS by Nato or a mob attacking a single man to be cowardly acts.
I also find it astonishing that eight years after the "darkest days of Milosevic" successive DS Governments have done nothing to maintain law and order and an image of an inclusive democracy. Instead roving bands of disenfranchised activists walk the streets and attack Mr. Tadic's messenger boys in the media.
Throughout the middle east and other international hotspots journalists have risked kidnap, bombardment, sniper fire and death; yet in Belgrade the media claims it is not safe to operate and may close shop as a mans leg was broken. I strongly suggest that these people find another, safer job.
As the perception of the media is that it is biased, it is letting itself become the story, rather than covering it.
Every citizen should have the right to feel 'safe' and to be able to go about the private or professional life without fear of an angry mob suddenly turning on them.
I don't understand why Serbian journalists think they should receive 'special' treatment though.
It makes me wonder, why all the protests must end by violence. Can’t people just go on the street and express their opinion in peaceful manner. Why such need to destroy everything around, to hit on the artwork, to hit the journalists, to break the shops and so on. Where was the police while the hooligans were beating the journalists and rampaging?
When these kinds of things start to happen then the demo and any form of gathering on the streets must be forbidden by all means. Don’t get me wrong, I do support people to express themselves and their opinion as long as there is no violence and no one’s life is jeopardized, but when the violence takes place then the protests must be forbidden. The perpetrators must be found and prosecuted.
Police failed once again to provide protection and prevent the violence.
Where was the police while the hooligans were beating the journalists and rampaging?
(bmrusila, 25 July 2008 12:04)
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The police were five metres away in full riot gear and did nothing as reported by B92. I wonder why the headline wasn't "Police fail to stop attack on B92 cameraman" rather than blaming "nationalists".
So B92 already know who did it and which political parties were involved? Now that claim in itself speaks volumes about B92's agenda. Seeing that a group of cameramen were within the vicinity of this alleged attack, I find it completely amazing that not one managed to film it!
You see, this is typically a matter for the police except in the case where they were actually doing it. It is not unusual for undercover agents to pose as protesters and to incite violence to discredit the event - it happens all of the time and they are called Agent provocateurs - Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
It reminds me of the time when undercover British soldiers dressed up as Arabs started shooting people in Basra to cause instability - however they were caught and put in jail - so the British used their tanks to completely destroy the jail to get these people out. Here are some links
Stop it, please stop any attack. Lets do it how Karadzic would like it. Let's try it with alternative positive energy!
Lets go to the courthouse take each others hand and sing "Hare Krishna" in harmony. Come on, what's there left to loose?!
B92 seems to be upset about hooligans beating a cameraman and journalists. How about B92 media beating the Truth and filtering out the Facts. You are as aggressive as those hooligans.
bmrusila not all demonstrations end in violence. If you are old enough to remember the 1990's you will also remember many demos when flowers were being passed to the police, rather than chairs being thrown at them and artistic objects smashed.
But I agree with you, what is wrong with these people? And if they cannot behave normally do we have any choice but to punish them?
But I can't comment about this particular case and the police reaction. From what I have seen on the square the police have reacted quite well (and with restraint) as soon as the supporters threaten to get violent.
ZK, sometimes a spade is just a spade. Perhaps if protests are continuing once you get here you will realise (and admit) how wrong you are.
B92 journalist was attacked yet you come with some kind of scenario.
Mate, why are you supporting violence. Ordinary Serbian is tired form violence that is funded and supported by Serbs abroad who think that they are more Serbs than those in Serbia proper, it sends them back 15 years. Journalist is beaten badly and every human being should condone it.
(ZK UK, 24 July 2008 17:16) - I didn't realise you spoke for the whole world Olf. Only yesterday I was reading through the "Have your say" section on BBC News and once again the overwhelming majority were supporting the Serbian cause.
To answer your yesterdays comment:
"Ignorance at Bliss" is exactly what your postings are ZK.
I have also read comments in BBC and I did not see any support for any Serbian claim. In fact posts in there show that British people remember the pain that Serbian forces caused to civilians in former SFRJ by massacring civilians, rapping women and burying them in massive graves.
So B92 already know who did it and which political parties were involved? Now that claim in itself speaks volumes about B92's agenda. Seeing that a group of cameramen were within the vicinity of this alleged attack, I find it completely amazing that not one managed to film it!
You see, this is typically a matter for the police except in the case where they were actually doing it. It is not unusual for undercover agents to pose as protesters and to incite violence to discredit the event - it happens all of the time and they are called Agent provocateurs - Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
It reminds me of the time when undercover British soldiers dressed up as Arabs started shooting people in Basra to cause instability - however they were caught and put in jail - so the British used their tanks to completely destroy the jail to get these people out. Here are some links
It makes me wonder, why all the protests must end by violence. Can’t people just go on the street and express their opinion in peaceful manner. Why such need to destroy everything around, to hit on the artwork, to hit the journalists, to break the shops and so on. Where was the police while the hooligans were beating the journalists and rampaging?
When these kinds of things start to happen then the demo and any form of gathering on the streets must be forbidden by all means. Don’t get me wrong, I do support people to express themselves and their opinion as long as there is no violence and no one’s life is jeopardized, but when the violence takes place then the protests must be forbidden. The perpetrators must be found and prosecuted.
Police failed once again to provide protection and prevent the violence.
Stop it, please stop any attack. Lets do it how Karadzic would like it. Let's try it with alternative positive energy!
Lets go to the courthouse take each others hand and sing "Hare Krishna" in harmony. Come on, what's there left to loose?!
I find attacking journalists, such as the bombardment of RTS by Nato or a mob attacking a single man to be cowardly acts.
I also find it astonishing that eight years after the "darkest days of Milosevic" successive DS Governments have done nothing to maintain law and order and an image of an inclusive democracy. Instead roving bands of disenfranchised activists walk the streets and attack Mr. Tadic's messenger boys in the media.
Throughout the middle east and other international hotspots journalists have risked kidnap, bombardment, sniper fire and death; yet in Belgrade the media claims it is not safe to operate and may close shop as a mans leg was broken. I strongly suggest that these people find another, safer job.
As the perception of the media is that it is biased, it is letting itself become the story, rather than covering it.
Every citizen should have the right to feel 'safe' and to be able to go about the private or professional life without fear of an angry mob suddenly turning on them.
I don't understand why Serbian journalists think they should receive 'special' treatment though.
Where was the police while the hooligans were beating the journalists and rampaging?
(bmrusila, 25 July 2008 12:04)
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The police were five metres away in full riot gear and did nothing as reported by B92. I wonder why the headline wasn't "Police fail to stop attack on B92 cameraman" rather than blaming "nationalists".
Olf, I am merely responding to claims made by B92 that its cameraman was beaten by "nationalists" and "SRS" supporters without providing a shred of evidence - now that speaks volumes about B52s supposed impartiality.
As for BBC News, just go to "Have Your Say", click on views on "Radovan Karadzic" sort by "Readers Recommended" and you will see that the overwhelming majority generally blame the West for the suffering in the former YU - and call for the Clintons, Albrights, Clarks and Solanas of this world to be brought to justice - and not just the British but also Muslims.
Have you ever wondered by the Islamic and Arab world do not support Kosovo independence?
B92 was it necessary to censor my post because I called ZK's theory on the protest 'global conspiracy'. Come on...
Perhaps upon occasion it might be useful to cut down some of the anger and hateful words, but please, its your job to make sure that hateful words are not used, not to ensure relations between us stay amicable, noble though that ambition might be.
If you cannot clarify I request that new guidelines are issued. I do appreciate that you have a lot of work on your hands at the moment though.
B92 was it necessary to censor my post because I called ZK's theory on the protest 'global conspiracy'. Come on...
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Haha, very funny bganon. Someone who works for B52 and is on their preferred VIP poster's list doesn't need to be concerned with having their comments edited.
If those journalists had just focussed on why law-and-order doesn't work like it should everything would be ok. But instead they seem focussed on their ideological agenda and to see those incidents as just another opportunity to attack their ideological adversaries.
Dear journalists, please decide for yourself whether you want to be a journalist - just describing what is happening and letting the public decide for themselves - or that you are propagandists for some ideological movement.
No, you are way too biased to consider yourself objective and critical-minded person.
What all foreigners failed to do during the unfortunate war in ex YU, is the fact they were just the superficial observers without looking for the reasons why the war occurred at first place.
The roots are bit deeper than the one can even imagine, and if the one think that circle is closed I dare to say it is again wrong and simple observation. Unfortunately, Balkan is never closing circle. And do you know why? Just because of the characters as you are, the one who takes only one side to blame. But I guess that is the easiest approach in solving things out for the moment. Just put all the blame on one side and finish with it. As long as you leave one side frustrated there is no much room for any form of true reconciliation.
ZK I have said before that I am not an employee of B92 and never have been so I won't waste my breath on the subject any more. And the idea that I somehow have access to posts here is absurd.
My posts have been edited.
B92 I think consistency is the key. Actually I suspect your editorial policy will be slightly adjusted in the current political atmosphere where hate speech has become an issue, which is no bad thing. However, let us not go overboard.... As has always been the case I will continue to criticise if I think B92 get it wrong and compliment when right.
We believe that our disclaimer as it is provides sufficient explanation that we find personal disqualifications and insults among our readers unacceptable. We also invite them to, and are grateful when they alert us that posts of the kind slip by.
The point of such communication escapes us, unless it be to cause a similar response, to then watch the dialogue spiral out of control. We have no interest in allowing that.
At the same time, we are not happy to edit anyone's posts, but hope to, as it were, lead by example and treat those readers who criticize and those who praise us equally respectfully, and prevent either from feeling personally insulted after reading the contents of our pages.
Needless to say we are happy to provide an opportunity for our visitors to express themselves.
I totally agree with the gist of the article -- it is an absolute scandal that these photographers and journalists are cannon fodder for every extremist demo. and even though I am not there, on the scene, i do NOT agree that the police are usually doing a good job about it. enough said.
one more point: if this is how journalists from b92 are treated -- kicked and made half-crippled, imagine how "nice" are said extremists with "enemy" civilians. it makes my blood boil! the atrocities committed, consistently, against civilians of all other ethnicities in the former Yu, particularly croatians, bosnians, and of course albanians. there is still so much denial around this -- and an insistence that "everyone did bad things, so there!" while it is true that bad things happened on all sides, and need to be adjudicated, the violence from the serb extremists was unparalleled -- and i would add, would STILL be going on if they had the run of land in Kosova. which they do not, anymore, thank god!
i would also like to point out that individual serbs, with a conscience, were also regularly targeted by these extremists, and often treated miserably, or even killed, as so-called traitors to their race. does this all ring a bell? and echoes of this can still be felt, even here, when "moderate" serb posters say things that the nationalists don't like.
nevertheless, people of conscience must continue to speak out, regardless of put-downs and intimidation, and we must support one another. as with these journalists.
thanks, b-92, for keeping us informed of these stories. yes, i am often (rightly) critical, but i think in the end, down (very) deep, we are potential allies...
Ok B92, I am not really too concerned with the constant editing of my posts directed at bganon - as I believe he is privy to the unedited posts anyway - so no loss on my part - except only your readers will not get the full story.
Who do you think beat up the journalists at the march? Tadic supporters?
You've got to be joking me with your excuses for the violence that you're supporting. First, it's the BIA (who are suddenly not loyal to Kostunica after 15 years), then it's pure propaganda by B92 because there's no "evidence". I await your next excuse for the violence being perpetrated by your nationalist and SRS friends with bated breath. Shameful.
B92: Your censorship of posters on these comment boards has earned you a deficit of sympathy. It's standard to remove obscenities from a post. It's ludicrous to copyedit a post at the pleasure of the editor. That's not how it's done in the west. So since your techniques smack of ITAR-TASS circa 1982, few have sympathy for the freedom and security of press you expect.
So B92 already know who did it and which political parties were involved? Now that claim in itself speaks volumes about B92's agenda. Seeing that a group of cameramen were within the vicinity of this alleged attack, I find it completely amazing that not one managed to film it!
You see, this is typically a matter for the police except in the case where they were actually doing it. It is not unusual for undercover agents to pose as protesters and to incite violence to discredit the event - it happens all of the time and they are called Agent provocateurs - Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
It reminds me of the time when undercover British soldiers dressed up as Arabs started shooting people in Basra to cause instability - however they were caught and put in jail - so the British used their tanks to completely destroy the jail to get these people out. Here are some links
B92 journalist was attacked yet you come with some kind of scenario.
Mate, why are you supporting violence. Ordinary Serbian is tired form violence that is funded and supported by Serbs abroad who think that they are more Serbs than those in Serbia proper, it sends them back 15 years. Journalist is beaten badly and every human being should condone it.
(ZK UK, 24 July 2008 17:16) - I didn't realise you spoke for the whole world Olf. Only yesterday I was reading through the "Have your say" section on BBC News and once again the overwhelming majority were supporting the Serbian cause.
To answer your yesterdays comment:
"Ignorance at Bliss" is exactly what your postings are ZK.
I have also read comments in BBC and I did not see any support for any Serbian claim. In fact posts in there show that British people remember the pain that Serbian forces caused to civilians in former SFRJ by massacring civilians, rapping women and burying them in massive graves.
We believe that our disclaimer as it is provides sufficient explanation that we find personal disqualifications and insults among our readers unacceptable. We also invite them to, and are grateful when they alert us that posts of the kind slip by.
The point of such communication escapes us, unless it be to cause a similar response, to then watch the dialogue spiral out of control. We have no interest in allowing that.
At the same time, we are not happy to edit anyone's posts, but hope to, as it were, lead by example and treat those readers who criticize and those who praise us equally respectfully, and prevent either from feeling personally insulted after reading the contents of our pages.
Needless to say we are happy to provide an opportunity for our visitors to express themselves.
bmrusila not all demonstrations end in violence. If you are old enough to remember the 1990's you will also remember many demos when flowers were being passed to the police, rather than chairs being thrown at them and artistic objects smashed.
But I agree with you, what is wrong with these people? And if they cannot behave normally do we have any choice but to punish them?
But I can't comment about this particular case and the police reaction. From what I have seen on the square the police have reacted quite well (and with restraint) as soon as the supporters threaten to get violent.
ZK, sometimes a spade is just a spade. Perhaps if protests are continuing once you get here you will realise (and admit) how wrong you are.
B92 seems to be upset about hooligans beating a cameraman and journalists. How about B92 media beating the Truth and filtering out the Facts. You are as aggressive as those hooligans.
B92 was it necessary to censor my post because I called ZK's theory on the protest 'global conspiracy'. Come on...
Perhaps upon occasion it might be useful to cut down some of the anger and hateful words, but please, its your job to make sure that hateful words are not used, not to ensure relations between us stay amicable, noble though that ambition might be.
If you cannot clarify I request that new guidelines are issued. I do appreciate that you have a lot of work on your hands at the moment though.
Stop it, please stop any attack. Lets do it how Karadzic would like it. Let's try it with alternative positive energy!
Lets go to the courthouse take each others hand and sing "Hare Krishna" in harmony. Come on, what's there left to loose?!
It makes me wonder, why all the protests must end by violence. Can’t people just go on the street and express their opinion in peaceful manner. Why such need to destroy everything around, to hit on the artwork, to hit the journalists, to break the shops and so on. Where was the police while the hooligans were beating the journalists and rampaging?
When these kinds of things start to happen then the demo and any form of gathering on the streets must be forbidden by all means. Don’t get me wrong, I do support people to express themselves and their opinion as long as there is no violence and no one’s life is jeopardized, but when the violence takes place then the protests must be forbidden. The perpetrators must be found and prosecuted.
Police failed once again to provide protection and prevent the violence.
Where was the police while the hooligans were beating the journalists and rampaging?
(bmrusila, 25 July 2008 12:04)
--
The police were five metres away in full riot gear and did nothing as reported by B92. I wonder why the headline wasn't "Police fail to stop attack on B92 cameraman" rather than blaming "nationalists".
I find attacking journalists, such as the bombardment of RTS by Nato or a mob attacking a single man to be cowardly acts.
I also find it astonishing that eight years after the "darkest days of Milosevic" successive DS Governments have done nothing to maintain law and order and an image of an inclusive democracy. Instead roving bands of disenfranchised activists walk the streets and attack Mr. Tadic's messenger boys in the media.
Throughout the middle east and other international hotspots journalists have risked kidnap, bombardment, sniper fire and death; yet in Belgrade the media claims it is not safe to operate and may close shop as a mans leg was broken. I strongly suggest that these people find another, safer job.
As the perception of the media is that it is biased, it is letting itself become the story, rather than covering it.
Every citizen should have the right to feel 'safe' and to be able to go about the private or professional life without fear of an angry mob suddenly turning on them.
I don't understand why Serbian journalists think they should receive 'special' treatment though.
Olf, I am merely responding to claims made by B92 that its cameraman was beaten by "nationalists" and "SRS" supporters without providing a shred of evidence - now that speaks volumes about B52s supposed impartiality.
As for BBC News, just go to "Have Your Say", click on views on "Radovan Karadzic" sort by "Readers Recommended" and you will see that the overwhelming majority generally blame the West for the suffering in the former YU - and call for the Clintons, Albrights, Clarks and Solanas of this world to be brought to justice - and not just the British but also Muslims.
Have you ever wondered by the Islamic and Arab world do not support Kosovo independence?
B92 was it necessary to censor my post because I called ZK's theory on the protest 'global conspiracy'. Come on...
--
Haha, very funny bganon. Someone who works for B52 and is on their preferred VIP poster's list doesn't need to be concerned with having their comments edited.
I totally agree with the gist of the article -- it is an absolute scandal that these photographers and journalists are cannon fodder for every extremist demo. and even though I am not there, on the scene, i do NOT agree that the police are usually doing a good job about it. enough said.
one more point: if this is how journalists from b92 are treated -- kicked and made half-crippled, imagine how "nice" are said extremists with "enemy" civilians. it makes my blood boil! the atrocities committed, consistently, against civilians of all other ethnicities in the former Yu, particularly croatians, bosnians, and of course albanians. there is still so much denial around this -- and an insistence that "everyone did bad things, so there!" while it is true that bad things happened on all sides, and need to be adjudicated, the violence from the serb extremists was unparalleled -- and i would add, would STILL be going on if they had the run of land in Kosova. which they do not, anymore, thank god!
i would also like to point out that individual serbs, with a conscience, were also regularly targeted by these extremists, and often treated miserably, or even killed, as so-called traitors to their race. does this all ring a bell? and echoes of this can still be felt, even here, when "moderate" serb posters say things that the nationalists don't like.
nevertheless, people of conscience must continue to speak out, regardless of put-downs and intimidation, and we must support one another. as with these journalists.
thanks, b-92, for keeping us informed of these stories. yes, i am often (rightly) critical, but i think in the end, down (very) deep, we are potential allies...
Ok B92, I am not really too concerned with the constant editing of my posts directed at bganon - as I believe he is privy to the unedited posts anyway - so no loss on my part - except only your readers will not get the full story.
If those journalists had just focussed on why law-and-order doesn't work like it should everything would be ok. But instead they seem focussed on their ideological agenda and to see those incidents as just another opportunity to attack their ideological adversaries.
Dear journalists, please decide for yourself whether you want to be a journalist - just describing what is happening and letting the public decide for themselves - or that you are propagandists for some ideological movement.
Who do you think beat up the journalists at the march? Tadic supporters?
You've got to be joking me with your excuses for the violence that you're supporting. First, it's the BIA (who are suddenly not loyal to Kostunica after 15 years), then it's pure propaganda by B92 because there's no "evidence". I await your next excuse for the violence being perpetrated by your nationalist and SRS friends with bated breath. Shameful.
B92: Your censorship of posters on these comment boards has earned you a deficit of sympathy. It's standard to remove obscenities from a post. It's ludicrous to copyedit a post at the pleasure of the editor. That's not how it's done in the west. So since your techniques smack of ITAR-TASS circa 1982, few have sympathy for the freedom and security of press you expect.
No, you are way too biased to consider yourself objective and critical-minded person.
What all foreigners failed to do during the unfortunate war in ex YU, is the fact they were just the superficial observers without looking for the reasons why the war occurred at first place.
The roots are bit deeper than the one can even imagine, and if the one think that circle is closed I dare to say it is again wrong and simple observation. Unfortunately, Balkan is never closing circle. And do you know why? Just because of the characters as you are, the one who takes only one side to blame. But I guess that is the easiest approach in solving things out for the moment. Just put all the blame on one side and finish with it. As long as you leave one side frustrated there is no much room for any form of true reconciliation.
ZK I have said before that I am not an employee of B92 and never have been so I won't waste my breath on the subject any more. And the idea that I somehow have access to posts here is absurd.
My posts have been edited.
B92 I think consistency is the key. Actually I suspect your editorial policy will be slightly adjusted in the current political atmosphere where hate speech has become an issue, which is no bad thing. However, let us not go overboard.... As has always been the case I will continue to criticise if I think B92 get it wrong and compliment when right.
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