Who is (was) Dragan Dabić?

Tom O'Donoghue,ZK UK: Cry me a river check in to reality. Serbs brought it on them selfs. Now they don't like the consequences of what was don in their name for them when the pied piper bill is due. The overwhelming majority of the Serb population gave their support to visions of a greater Serbia of Slodoban Milošević and Radovan Karadžić. They out gunned their neighbours 99 to 1 they used it to a devastating unashamed murderous unchecked advantage for their goals of the Serbs for greater Serbia.

You know what's sad ZK?
Comments such as yours.
B92 always provided ubased news, since the time when all we got was Milosovic's and the radicals point of view spread on the t.v. and newspapers till now.

Defending war criminals and not facing up to what happened in our name during the war in the 90's is also sad.

The good thing is that all that's slowly begining to chance and the majority of people realise that we should do all we can to clean our name and finally do the right thing.
Good is also that we have a goverment now who realises this and hopefully the remaining two fugutives will be in the Hague soon also.

Look, what's going on here? During the 70s and 80s Irish nationalists (the IRA) were demonised by the western media. This happened to the Serbian people in the 90s. I do not believe a word I read in the newspapers.

ZK UK and Tom

Very very sad and attempt to cover the war crimes. The entire world knows who’s done what, so don’t waste your time

Tom,

You don't believe a word because as a radical you don't want to accept the reality. You are part of a very small minority.
It is more than enough if the overwhelming majority believes what is reported. Those news are not made up, those are facts. You seem to have a problem with facts.
Why? They don't feet into your rhetoric?

"They out gunned their neighbours 99 to 1"

Not true. The Bosnian Muslims had the largest army fighting within Bosnia. Their army was 200,000 men. Izetbegovic also agreed to allow Croatia to send forces into Bosnia which were stationed their throughout the entire war.

Serbs had manpower shortages within Bosnia.

In Croatia you had around 87% Croats against 12% Serbs.

Virtually all the army and airforce of Serbia was kept there and did not do any fighting.

There was smuggling of East German, Argentine and Iranian arms to Croatia and Bosnia throughout the war.

The number of Serb civilians killed in Croatia is greater than the number of Croat civilians.

The Croats lost mostly military.

The Croats and Muslims had their own war and were using heavy weapons against the other.

Obviously the Croats and Muslims had plenty of weapons if they could fight so strongly against each other.

The first victims of the wars were always Serb civilians and the response was the Serbs putting up barricades to stop the Muslim and Croat paramilitary and police from barging into their homes and killing them.

Croats and Muslims wanted the separation and breakup. Serbs were in the way for them.

The Muslims and Croats were the biggest liars at exaggerating the deaths on their side and counted their fallen soldiers from battle as civilians or POWs.

To hear them, they never lost any soldiers in all the fighting and skirmishes at all.

I didn't realise you spoke for the whole world Olf. Only yesterday I was reading through the "Have your say" section on BBC News and once again the overwhelming majority were supporting the Serbian cause.

ZK UK

What you say is entirely true.
Here in Ireland since we rejected the Lisbon Treaty we have been subjected to an avalanche of abuse and insult. For being democratic. Serbia will survive but it will take a while. Let's be strong.

Tom, absolutely - although most of it was done by the Western press when it comes to demonising Serbians but here we have B92, a supposed Serbian outlet also demonising us. B92 reporting was even referring to Kosovo as an independent state the other day.

That's what happens when sell-outs and those that support it come into power. Serbia is now for sale and our enemies can buy political parties, whole provinces, the media and large portions of the population.

It is very sad indeed.

Tom, thanks for the encouragement. Maintaining a lie takes a lot of effort but once exposed it's all free fall from there! We will reclaim our freedom soon enough.

Don't let the dictators silence your voice and don't allow another vote. The Irish have spoken and that should be final.

They will try anything and everything to get there way but agreed, lets be strong and stand firm. To our freedom my friend.

Oh come on B92, "Ignorance is Bliss" is a well known term and does not need to be edited out.

This is getting ridiculous. Olf, does that term offend you?

ida : Thank you for clearing that all up brought to you by the unbiased truth and reconciliation (Radical Party of Serbia).Some of what you say is true but most not.

Ida,
It is also true that more than 8000 man and boys of your age died in Bosnia, therefore leaving 8000 women and mothers without their loved ones. It is also true that during that time if you went out to buy bread to eat, you could die in the street from I sniper guy who was hundreds or thousands meters away from you. Furthermore these 8000 or more were human beings just as you and me are, regardless if they were Muslims, Catholics, Orthodox, or Croats or Serbs.
I really cannot understand neither your comment neither others ones.

Joe. Get a life.

Ida, do a little homework.

The Republic of BiH didn't HAVE an army at the beginning of the war, while the VRS was formed out of Bosnian Serb elements of the JNA, and given weapons taken from the BiH TO in 1991. That's why at the beginning of the siege of Sarajevo, it was lovelies like Caco who had undue influence - they were the ones with firearms. So sure, Serbs were at a manpower disadvantage, and as the war went on, that bit them more and more. But when you have such a lopsided advantage in heavy artillery and armor, and your opponents have only small arms (and even those in short supply at the beginning, when the most massive cleansing happened in eastern Bosnia), and you can lob shells in from a distance, it's fair to say one isn't on the defensive... where were these Bosniak and Croat paramilitaries in eastern Bosnia and Sarajevo of whom you speak as having been first?

As for overall casualties, have a look at the Bosnian Book of the Dead (http://www.norveska.ba/press/rdc-bbd.htm) Nearly 40,000 (just over 40%) of those killed were civilians. Bosniaks were the overall majority of those killed or missing at 65%, and comprised over 83% of the civilian casualties, as opposed to about 10% for the Serbs and 5% for the Croats. Among Bosniak casualties, well over half of the over 65,000 were civilian (about a 1:1 ratio), while among Serbs it was military 5:1, and among Croats just over 2:1. Srebrenica alone would account for more than 12 percent of the Bosniak civilian deaths.

If you've got better numbers, put them on the table.

Iam not frequent poster on this site however i do take the time to read a lot of comments to find out the general attitude of people and i have to say my personal opinion is that i find that many posters are one sided.
Olf #5 and Lenard #6.
Come on guys surely your glasses are not that fogged up that you cannot see beyond your noses, lets be realistic you have no doubt heard of the expression '' the pen is mighter than the sword''
In todays technology the electronic news media is certainly controlled there fore we must accept that the properganda machine is well and truly being utilised to its maximum.
The machine is well and truly oiled, one only has to revist the Inventors of news media properganda the Nazi era where the world was taken in and fooled.
In todays climate nothing has changed, those of us with an open mind (means everybody and all nationalities) will and should certainly question what is fed to us.
To those posters on this site who its seems have a one sided attitude in directing all the blame to one specific group accept the fact and truth that all parties are equally Guilty apportion the blame on Mankind for this mayhem.
From a humantarian point of view it is difficult for many to forgive and forget, time will eventualy heal the wounds, what is important is that we stop the cancer spreading and its up to you and me to do our bit.
To those indviduals who have committed crimes against humanity knowing that their hands are covered in blood they have to live with the knowledge and guilt that they will have to bear this till they die.The puppet masters need to be held accountable for their actions and not just shoot the messanger.
Lets hope and pray that lessons are learnt !!!
I somehow doubt that it will ever happen because we as humans are the most self destructing species on this planet.
I would encourage more posters to unify in peace and solidarity so that all those who seek to undermine mankind and bring destruction become outcasts.Its not too late

Kurt, thank you for providing my with a good laugh before I go to bed.

I shall assume you are probably from a pro-US country and your military was one of those that bombed Iraqies and Afganis with many futuristic weapons from very very far away and didn't give a rats hoot about who the poor sucker on the ground was or who his wife or kids or family were or wheather they count as "human casualties" becuase you can conveniently brush it away as "collateral damage".

So thanks for taking the high and might road against Serbs. It must feel nice to pass judgment and not have people look at your ways of warfare.

Dragan Dabic is the Karadzic look-alike patsy who is taking the fall. Do you actually expect us to believe that the first president of Republika Srpska had to support himself with a humble job and ride the bus to work? Can you explain to us what happened to the millions that Dodik claims Karadzic stole from Bosnia? The DS is learning how to lie like americans.

Tom,
You don't believe a word because as a radical you don't want to accept the reality. You are part of a very small minority.
(Joe, 24 July 2008 15:40)
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In case you didn't know, Tom voted No on the Lisbon Treaty, which by some strange coincidence won the vote - so by some simple logic he is in fact part of the majority - but not only in Ireland - the majority of Europeans support the No vote.

So I have no idea where you get the "very small minority" bit from. Wishful thinking I'd say.

ZK,

By minority I meant not believing in news concerning Karadzic and Serbian atrocities in the nineties.
It has nothing to do with the vote on the Lisbon Treaty. Actually for very different reasons I applauded the Irish for voting no.

PLEASE LET ME BE DR. DAVID!

Hallo, does anyone know if there is a copyright on Dr. David, Dragan Dabic?
I practice alternative Treatment with very poor (financial) sucess. So no one gets harmed if I could continue "Dragan Dabic's" work.
I can ensure you, I'm not Mladic, nor am I charged of any war-crime.
I'm just a failed Medicine student.
Imagine, this huge attention...
Promisse to all who help me:
!! free Treatment, for three years !!

Come on B92, forward my E-Mail and let all this come to a good End!

Svabo,

I guess you had nothing substantive to say about Kurt's points, so you speculate and ascribe positions to him that he didn't take and then criticize those. Pretty sad.

There was an error in my post - the figure was 64,000 total Bosniak deaths. (33,070 were civilian, 30,966 military). Also, the Srebrenica figure of 8100 (according to ICMP) would account for 12 percent of the overall Bosniak total, but abut a quarter of the civilian number.

Apologies for the error. To see the full PPT by the Reseach and Documentation Center, go to the previously posted link.

Tom,

You don't believe a word because as a radical you don't want to accept the reality. You are part of a very small minority.
It is more than enough if the overwhelming majority believes what is reported. Those news are not made up, those are facts. You seem to have a problem with facts.
Why? They don't feet into your rhetoric?

Tom O'Donoghue,ZK UK: Cry me a river check in to reality. Serbs brought it on them selfs. Now they don't like the consequences of what was don in their name for them when the pied piper bill is due. The overwhelming majority of the Serb population gave their support to visions of a greater Serbia of Slodoban Milošević and Radovan Karadžić. They out gunned their neighbours 99 to 1 they used it to a devastating unashamed murderous unchecked advantage for their goals of the Serbs for greater Serbia.

ZK UK and Tom

Very very sad and attempt to cover the war crimes. The entire world knows who’s done what, so don’t waste your time

Tom, absolutely - although most of it was done by the Western press when it comes to demonising Serbians but here we have B92, a supposed Serbian outlet also demonising us. B92 reporting was even referring to Kosovo as an independent state the other day.

That's what happens when sell-outs and those that support it come into power. Serbia is now for sale and our enemies can buy political parties, whole provinces, the media and large portions of the population.

It is very sad indeed.

You know what's sad ZK?
Comments such as yours.
B92 always provided ubased news, since the time when all we got was Milosovic's and the radicals point of view spread on the t.v. and newspapers till now.

Defending war criminals and not facing up to what happened in our name during the war in the 90's is also sad.

The good thing is that all that's slowly begining to chance and the majority of people realise that we should do all we can to clean our name and finally do the right thing.
Good is also that we have a goverment now who realises this and hopefully the remaining two fugutives will be in the Hague soon also.

ida : Thank you for clearing that all up brought to you by the unbiased truth and reconciliation (Radical Party of Serbia).Some of what you say is true but most not.

Look, what's going on here? During the 70s and 80s Irish nationalists (the IRA) were demonised by the western media. This happened to the Serbian people in the 90s. I do not believe a word I read in the newspapers.

Ida,
It is also true that more than 8000 man and boys of your age died in Bosnia, therefore leaving 8000 women and mothers without their loved ones. It is also true that during that time if you went out to buy bread to eat, you could die in the street from I sniper guy who was hundreds or thousands meters away from you. Furthermore these 8000 or more were human beings just as you and me are, regardless if they were Muslims, Catholics, Orthodox, or Croats or Serbs.
I really cannot understand neither your comment neither others ones.

Oh come on B92, "Ignorance is Bliss" is a well known term and does not need to be edited out.

This is getting ridiculous. Olf, does that term offend you?

Ida, do a little homework.

The Republic of BiH didn't HAVE an army at the beginning of the war, while the VRS was formed out of Bosnian Serb elements of the JNA, and given weapons taken from the BiH TO in 1991. That's why at the beginning of the siege of Sarajevo, it was lovelies like Caco who had undue influence - they were the ones with firearms. So sure, Serbs were at a manpower disadvantage, and as the war went on, that bit them more and more. But when you have such a lopsided advantage in heavy artillery and armor, and your opponents have only small arms (and even those in short supply at the beginning, when the most massive cleansing happened in eastern Bosnia), and you can lob shells in from a distance, it's fair to say one isn't on the defensive... where were these Bosniak and Croat paramilitaries in eastern Bosnia and Sarajevo of whom you speak as having been first?

As for overall casualties, have a look at the Bosnian Book of the Dead (http://www.norveska.ba/press/rdc-bbd.htm) Nearly 40,000 (just over 40%) of those killed were civilians. Bosniaks were the overall majority of those killed or missing at 65%, and comprised over 83% of the civilian casualties, as opposed to about 10% for the Serbs and 5% for the Croats. Among Bosniak casualties, well over half of the over 65,000 were civilian (about a 1:1 ratio), while among Serbs it was military 5:1, and among Croats just over 2:1. Srebrenica alone would account for more than 12 percent of the Bosniak civilian deaths.

If you've got better numbers, put them on the table.

ZK UK

What you say is entirely true.
Here in Ireland since we rejected the Lisbon Treaty we have been subjected to an avalanche of abuse and insult. For being democratic. Serbia will survive but it will take a while. Let's be strong.

I didn't realise you spoke for the whole world Olf. Only yesterday I was reading through the "Have your say" section on BBC News and once again the overwhelming majority were supporting the Serbian cause.

Tom, thanks for the encouragement. Maintaining a lie takes a lot of effort but once exposed it's all free fall from there! We will reclaim our freedom soon enough.

Don't let the dictators silence your voice and don't allow another vote. The Irish have spoken and that should be final.

They will try anything and everything to get there way but agreed, lets be strong and stand firm. To our freedom my friend.

"They out gunned their neighbours 99 to 1"

Not true. The Bosnian Muslims had the largest army fighting within Bosnia. Their army was 200,000 men. Izetbegovic also agreed to allow Croatia to send forces into Bosnia which were stationed their throughout the entire war.

Serbs had manpower shortages within Bosnia.

In Croatia you had around 87% Croats against 12% Serbs.

Virtually all the army and airforce of Serbia was kept there and did not do any fighting.

There was smuggling of East German, Argentine and Iranian arms to Croatia and Bosnia throughout the war.

The number of Serb civilians killed in Croatia is greater than the number of Croat civilians.

The Croats lost mostly military.

The Croats and Muslims had their own war and were using heavy weapons against the other.

Obviously the Croats and Muslims had plenty of weapons if they could fight so strongly against each other.

The first victims of the wars were always Serb civilians and the response was the Serbs putting up barricades to stop the Muslim and Croat paramilitary and police from barging into their homes and killing them.

Croats and Muslims wanted the separation and breakup. Serbs were in the way for them.

The Muslims and Croats were the biggest liars at exaggerating the deaths on their side and counted their fallen soldiers from battle as civilians or POWs.

To hear them, they never lost any soldiers in all the fighting and skirmishes at all.

Joe. Get a life.

Tom,
You don't believe a word because as a radical you don't want to accept the reality. You are part of a very small minority.
(Joe, 24 July 2008 15:40)
--
In case you didn't know, Tom voted No on the Lisbon Treaty, which by some strange coincidence won the vote - so by some simple logic he is in fact part of the majority - but not only in Ireland - the majority of Europeans support the No vote.

So I have no idea where you get the "very small minority" bit from. Wishful thinking I'd say.

ZK,

By minority I meant not believing in news concerning Karadzic and Serbian atrocities in the nineties.
It has nothing to do with the vote on the Lisbon Treaty. Actually for very different reasons I applauded the Irish for voting no.

Iam not frequent poster on this site however i do take the time to read a lot of comments to find out the general attitude of people and i have to say my personal opinion is that i find that many posters are one sided.
Olf #5 and Lenard #6.
Come on guys surely your glasses are not that fogged up that you cannot see beyond your noses, lets be realistic you have no doubt heard of the expression '' the pen is mighter than the sword''
In todays technology the electronic news media is certainly controlled there fore we must accept that the properganda machine is well and truly being utilised to its maximum.
The machine is well and truly oiled, one only has to revist the Inventors of news media properganda the Nazi era where the world was taken in and fooled.
In todays climate nothing has changed, those of us with an open mind (means everybody and all nationalities) will and should certainly question what is fed to us.
To those posters on this site who its seems have a one sided attitude in directing all the blame to one specific group accept the fact and truth that all parties are equally Guilty apportion the blame on Mankind for this mayhem.
From a humantarian point of view it is difficult for many to forgive and forget, time will eventualy heal the wounds, what is important is that we stop the cancer spreading and its up to you and me to do our bit.
To those indviduals who have committed crimes against humanity knowing that their hands are covered in blood they have to live with the knowledge and guilt that they will have to bear this till they die.The puppet masters need to be held accountable for their actions and not just shoot the messanger.
Lets hope and pray that lessons are learnt !!!
I somehow doubt that it will ever happen because we as humans are the most self destructing species on this planet.
I would encourage more posters to unify in peace and solidarity so that all those who seek to undermine mankind and bring destruction become outcasts.Its not too late

Kurt, thank you for providing my with a good laugh before I go to bed.

I shall assume you are probably from a pro-US country and your military was one of those that bombed Iraqies and Afganis with many futuristic weapons from very very far away and didn't give a rats hoot about who the poor sucker on the ground was or who his wife or kids or family were or wheather they count as "human casualties" becuase you can conveniently brush it away as "collateral damage".

So thanks for taking the high and might road against Serbs. It must feel nice to pass judgment and not have people look at your ways of warfare.

Dragan Dabic is the Karadzic look-alike patsy who is taking the fall. Do you actually expect us to believe that the first president of Republika Srpska had to support himself with a humble job and ride the bus to work? Can you explain to us what happened to the millions that Dodik claims Karadzic stole from Bosnia? The DS is learning how to lie like americans.

PLEASE LET ME BE DR. DAVID!

Hallo, does anyone know if there is a copyright on Dr. David, Dragan Dabic?
I practice alternative Treatment with very poor (financial) sucess. So no one gets harmed if I could continue "Dragan Dabic's" work.
I can ensure you, I'm not Mladic, nor am I charged of any war-crime.
I'm just a failed Medicine student.
Imagine, this huge attention...
Promisse to all who help me:
!! free Treatment, for three years !!

Come on B92, forward my E-Mail and let all this come to a good End!

Svabo,

I guess you had nothing substantive to say about Kurt's points, so you speculate and ascribe positions to him that he didn't take and then criticize those. Pretty sad.

There was an error in my post - the figure was 64,000 total Bosniak deaths. (33,070 were civilian, 30,966 military). Also, the Srebrenica figure of 8100 (according to ICMP) would account for 12 percent of the overall Bosniak total, but abut a quarter of the civilian number.

Apologies for the error. To see the full PPT by the Reseach and Documentation Center, go to the previously posted link.