"Trade agreement should come into force"

"Recognition or no EU, that's the motto!
(Funcakes, 22 July 2008 13:40) "

well, that's YOUR motto. It certainly isn't the EU's. If the EU is that gungho about things, why does EULEX need to be under UN's umbrella?

Besides, a big chunk of the vast sums spent in Kosovo went to security arrangements for the K-Serbs rather than investments. It is money down a bottomless pit which I will bet the EU can't wait to plug. And that would mean having to come to an accomodation with the Serbs. Wake up and smell the roses!

Dashnori i Satam

Thanks for your response. You said, "A reversal or kosova in limbo is not good for EU /peace."

I agree with you, but the western powers have already reversed themselves more than once. KLA were branded terrorists by the U.S. now they are running Kosovo with U.S. help.

Resolution 1244 says Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia, and we know what has happened since.

Personally, I don't think any about faces will be coming immediately, but history is long and Serbs have proven their willingness to wait. Moreover, Serbia's infrastructure is further along than Kosovo's, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Serbs go into the EU before you, which means they will have some political leverage missing from prior diplomatic interactions regarding Kosovo.

Nevertheless, instead of waiting for foreign powers to pull the plug on Serbs and Albanians whenever it's beneficial to them, it would be better for Albanians and Serbs to work out solutions between themselves that are mutually acceptable.

Apropos, recognition. As usual, very mature comments from certain people. They conveniently forget the "looming" recognition of North Cyprus. Cyprus was of course admitted to EU on the condition, it will recognize the Turkish part. Right?

To show some independent opinion about the recognition wave, let's look at Hungarian HVG. Of course, Hungarians are fiercely pro-Serbs and of course, HVG is locally pretty irrelevant (just the oldest and largest economy publication in Hungary).

So here we go:

http://tinyurl.com/5prn3n

It is reported, the recognition process is not going as planed and it's the reason, snake (all small letters!) did meet with bush (all small letters, too).

Further, that ramush haradinaj is criticizing the "snake" for being inept.

An interesting number comes straight from horse's mouth: Ardian Gjini told, that from 43 countries which so far did recognize Kosovo, 30 already were PART OF THE INDEPENDENCE PROCESS (what could it mean?), hence only 13 (yes, THIRTEEN) countries were "convinced".

I would call this a diplomatic disaster - and it's indeed a valid reason for bush and snake to meet.

"Recognition or no EU, that's the motto!
(Funcakes, 22 July 2008 13:40)"

Sorry to say, but the same goes for Kosovo, and with five members not willing to recognize it, I think it is a bigger problem for Kosovo than for Serbia right now.

"We are truly oriented towards peace and rule of international law both in regards to our cooperation with the Hague Tribunal and our defense of our sovereignty in Kosovo,”

Mr. Jeremic feels that the Hague is going to bring peace and the rule of international law and he will lobby his friend Solana while I feel that the DS is "looking for love in all the wrong places"

That is the fundimental problem with the DS, they go to Brussels for instructions on policy as they do not have the capacity or imagination to advocate for the interests of Serbia

@Dashnori and Satan

Have you considered the possibility that the EU's interest in Serbia goes beyond Kosovo?

Have you also considred that the western powers interest in Kosovo goes beyond simply helping Albanians?

“We want to become a member state of the EU, the backbone of peace, a regional player for regional stability,” he also said.
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The EU doesn't have a backbone Jeremic and you are essentially entering Serbia into a form of slavery.

Also, it is quite clear that your case at the International court is managed by the US and will be derailed by the US.

It seems all of the sell-outs are revealing their faces now. What a sad day for a great people when they have been sold out once again in our history.

zorank@email.com

Funcakes:
From 'Ataman's comment, looks like your forecast is getting ever more unlikely. Would need something like a hurricane now to reach 97 by the time UN general assembly meets in September.

Don't think just 'hot air' will be good enough anymore.

"If you think that EU will let Serbia in without recognizing K you are mistaken. If Serbs get in, Kosova will be in limbo, so EU will not fall for that. All they need is one nation to say no (England, Germany?) and Serbia must wait. See how fast Serbs caught Karadzic?
(Dashnori i Satam, 22 July 2008 17:47) "

Dashnori i Satam,

in the first place, I do not think Serbia (nor Albania or Bosnia or Montenegro etc) are going to enter the EU anytime soon.

You mentioned that only one EU member is enough to block Serbia's entry. Doesn't this apply to Kosovo too? Moreover Serbia as a nation is recognized by all EU members, which is not the case for Kosovo. Therefore isn't it obvious that Kosovo will face more obstacles to EU entry than Serbia?

In fact, Kosovo can also expect to continued to be barred from UN membership which is the ultimate recognition of state sovereignty. You really don't have that many cards to play.

Pretty selective methods coming out of Serbia in an attempt to change face.

Is it really "goodwill" or is it "slyness".

The EU is not a bunch of kids gathered around a circle playing kindergarten. They don't spend billions of dollars on Kosovo's independence just to allow Serbia to jack things up all over again.

Recognition or no EU, that's the motto!

oh come on peter, this is funcake and the name is programme.

opposite to wahabis like jusufic ahmetl, he realy believes that nonsense.

"well, that's YOUR motto. It certainly isn't the EU's. If the EU is that gungho about things, why does EULEX need to be under UN's umbrella? "

If you think that EU will let Serbia in without recognizing K you are mistaken. If Serbs get in, Kosova will be in limbo, so EU will not fall for that. All they need is one nation to say no (England, Germany?) and Serbia must wait. See how fast Serbs caught Karadzic?

Klinsman,
I am 'Dashnori i Satam'but close enough. EU of course has other agenda as well, but they would not throw out everything they have done so far just like that. Albanians are independent and EU knew what they were getting into. A reversal or kosova in limbo is not good for EU /peace.

As I see, the first trade Serbia already did: Karadzic for...

I wonder how can Serbs still have some patriotic feelings?!

Pretty selective methods coming out of Serbia in an attempt to change face.

Is it really "goodwill" or is it "slyness".

The EU is not a bunch of kids gathered around a circle playing kindergarten. They don't spend billions of dollars on Kosovo's independence just to allow Serbia to jack things up all over again.

Recognition or no EU, that's the motto!

Klinsman,
I am 'Dashnori i Satam'but close enough. EU of course has other agenda as well, but they would not throw out everything they have done so far just like that. Albanians are independent and EU knew what they were getting into. A reversal or kosova in limbo is not good for EU /peace.

"We are truly oriented towards peace and rule of international law both in regards to our cooperation with the Hague Tribunal and our defense of our sovereignty in Kosovo,”

Mr. Jeremic feels that the Hague is going to bring peace and the rule of international law and he will lobby his friend Solana while I feel that the DS is "looking for love in all the wrong places"

That is the fundimental problem with the DS, they go to Brussels for instructions on policy as they do not have the capacity or imagination to advocate for the interests of Serbia

Apropos, recognition. As usual, very mature comments from certain people. They conveniently forget the "looming" recognition of North Cyprus. Cyprus was of course admitted to EU on the condition, it will recognize the Turkish part. Right?

To show some independent opinion about the recognition wave, let's look at Hungarian HVG. Of course, Hungarians are fiercely pro-Serbs and of course, HVG is locally pretty irrelevant (just the oldest and largest economy publication in Hungary).

So here we go:

http://tinyurl.com/5prn3n

It is reported, the recognition process is not going as planed and it's the reason, snake (all small letters!) did meet with bush (all small letters, too).

Further, that ramush haradinaj is criticizing the "snake" for being inept.

An interesting number comes straight from horse's mouth: Ardian Gjini told, that from 43 countries which so far did recognize Kosovo, 30 already were PART OF THE INDEPENDENCE PROCESS (what could it mean?), hence only 13 (yes, THIRTEEN) countries were "convinced".

I would call this a diplomatic disaster - and it's indeed a valid reason for bush and snake to meet.

“We want to become a member state of the EU, the backbone of peace, a regional player for regional stability,” he also said.
--
The EU doesn't have a backbone Jeremic and you are essentially entering Serbia into a form of slavery.

Also, it is quite clear that your case at the International court is managed by the US and will be derailed by the US.

It seems all of the sell-outs are revealing their faces now. What a sad day for a great people when they have been sold out once again in our history.

zorank@email.com

"Recognition or no EU, that's the motto!
(Funcakes, 22 July 2008 13:40)"

Sorry to say, but the same goes for Kosovo, and with five members not willing to recognize it, I think it is a bigger problem for Kosovo than for Serbia right now.

"Recognition or no EU, that's the motto!
(Funcakes, 22 July 2008 13:40) "

well, that's YOUR motto. It certainly isn't the EU's. If the EU is that gungho about things, why does EULEX need to be under UN's umbrella?

Besides, a big chunk of the vast sums spent in Kosovo went to security arrangements for the K-Serbs rather than investments. It is money down a bottomless pit which I will bet the EU can't wait to plug. And that would mean having to come to an accomodation with the Serbs. Wake up and smell the roses!

oh come on peter, this is funcake and the name is programme.

opposite to wahabis like jusufic ahmetl, he realy believes that nonsense.

Funcakes:
From 'Ataman's comment, looks like your forecast is getting ever more unlikely. Would need something like a hurricane now to reach 97 by the time UN general assembly meets in September.

Don't think just 'hot air' will be good enough anymore.

"well, that's YOUR motto. It certainly isn't the EU's. If the EU is that gungho about things, why does EULEX need to be under UN's umbrella? "

If you think that EU will let Serbia in without recognizing K you are mistaken. If Serbs get in, Kosova will be in limbo, so EU will not fall for that. All they need is one nation to say no (England, Germany?) and Serbia must wait. See how fast Serbs caught Karadzic?

@Dashnori and Satan

Have you considered the possibility that the EU's interest in Serbia goes beyond Kosovo?

Have you also considred that the western powers interest in Kosovo goes beyond simply helping Albanians?

Dashnori i Satam

Thanks for your response. You said, "A reversal or kosova in limbo is not good for EU /peace."

I agree with you, but the western powers have already reversed themselves more than once. KLA were branded terrorists by the U.S. now they are running Kosovo with U.S. help.

Resolution 1244 says Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia, and we know what has happened since.

Personally, I don't think any about faces will be coming immediately, but history is long and Serbs have proven their willingness to wait. Moreover, Serbia's infrastructure is further along than Kosovo's, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Serbs go into the EU before you, which means they will have some political leverage missing from prior diplomatic interactions regarding Kosovo.

Nevertheless, instead of waiting for foreign powers to pull the plug on Serbs and Albanians whenever it's beneficial to them, it would be better for Albanians and Serbs to work out solutions between themselves that are mutually acceptable.

As I see, the first trade Serbia already did: Karadzic for...

I wonder how can Serbs still have some patriotic feelings?!

"If you think that EU will let Serbia in without recognizing K you are mistaken. If Serbs get in, Kosova will be in limbo, so EU will not fall for that. All they need is one nation to say no (England, Germany?) and Serbia must wait. See how fast Serbs caught Karadzic?
(Dashnori i Satam, 22 July 2008 17:47) "

Dashnori i Satam,

in the first place, I do not think Serbia (nor Albania or Bosnia or Montenegro etc) are going to enter the EU anytime soon.

You mentioned that only one EU member is enough to block Serbia's entry. Doesn't this apply to Kosovo too? Moreover Serbia as a nation is recognized by all EU members, which is not the case for Kosovo. Therefore isn't it obvious that Kosovo will face more obstacles to EU entry than Serbia?

In fact, Kosovo can also expect to continued to be barred from UN membership which is the ultimate recognition of state sovereignty. You really don't have that many cards to play.