Still no Karadžić extradition date

Is it any wonder that the Serb nation has a complex bordering upon paranoia? Some 90% of international war crimes proceedings have been against Serbs, while the thousands of Serb victims have been flagrantly disregarded. If crimes against Serbs were persued in the aftermath of the 1990s conflicts then perhaps Mladic AND Karadzic would be languishing in the Hague, as opposed to being revered as the Serbs' only prominant protest against the international communities' unwillingness to act with an even hand.

To find the Albanian bandit Ramush Haradinaj not guilty of war crimes against non-Albanians, to acquit the Jihadist Naser Oric of the genocide of 3,500 Serb civilians in the villages around Srebrenica prior to the the 'infamous' massacre of 1995, to refuse to indict Izetbegovic and Tudjman postumously as they did with Arkan, the Hague has shown once again that a Serb life isn't worth that an ethnic Albanian, Bosnian Muslim or Croat. It is an insult to the Serb nation both living and dead.

Do you think that this will help Serbia join the EU? They took Kosovo, they cleansed Krajina and still you obey???

Shame on you Serbia. In your haste to join the EU you have put greed and personal gratification before morals and justice. God should be the judge of Karadzic not some badly flawed institution that has shown itself incapable of holding a fair trial.

Disgrace, disgrace, disgrace and disgrace once more.


Bganon

Please, spare us of your vision of justice. Perhaps thousands of victims of Serbian nationality in Bosnia and Croatia are just justice for you. All the perpetrators of the massacres against Serbian population in ex-YU are set free before that very Hague tribunal, the court of justice. Justice, indeed.Prhaps, you should learn that real justice for the previleged does not exist.

This sell-out government continues to reveal its ugly face and continues to feed Serbians to the lions.

Shame shame shame - the demonisation of Serbians continues while Croatian, Bosnian Muslim and Albanian criminals are set free by the NATO court.

Karadžić can only be found guilty or dead and just like Milosević - death is only option.

And for what? Fresh carrots from Solana's garden?

zorank@email.com

"The lawyer said that his client was “refusing food“, that he had lost weight,"
Wow he is in custody for few hourse and already lost weight???
Geez his diet plan must be amazing!! (That's sarcastic, if you don't get it)

"Pera, 'morality and justice', was the bombardment of Sarajevo moral?"

Sarajevo was a DIVIDED city in the war with the front lines running in the middle near the infamous Holiday Inn. The Bosnian Muslim army was launching mortars and sniping into the Serb sectors - which included Sarajevo suburbs. Throughout the war the front lines were mostly unchanged. The most damage was the front line area where the two armies faced off one another.

And a Canadian journalist who visited in the middle of the war noticed the Muslim side of Sarajevo had heavy traffic (proving they had ample fuel supplies) while the Serb side had only scarce traffic - as they were under sanctions. It was different than the media portrayal of what was going on.

UN personnel did testify that Muslim snipers controlled and used buildings in the infamous "Sniper's Alley" and they were caught by French Marines doing sniping against Sarajevo civilians and the UN. The Muslims assumed Serbs would get the blame - and they did most every time - for any sniping the Bosnian Muslim army within Sarajevo did.

Serbs trapped in the Muslim controlled part of Sarajevo were often killed when their homes were raided, or they were taken to illegal prisons and concentration camps to be beaten to death or raped.

Serbian women sent documentation to the UN Security Council of rape camps operated in Sarajevo - this was before the Muslims and mainstream media started their propaganda about Serb rape camps.

Nowadays you have an almost ethnically pure Muslim Sarajevo - 95%, while the Serb population has fallen over 150,000 versus the prewar one.

Pera wrote:

"Shame on you Serbia. In your haste to join the EU you have put greed and personal gratification before morals and justice. God should be the judge of Karadzic not some badly flawed institution that has shown itself incapable of holding a fair trial."

I regretfully have to agree with you...shame on us all and I mean everyone of us. The one's who were for and against this action. I place more shame on me and all who were against this action, we should've done more to prevent this or all the others things from happening. We are Serbia, not Tadic.

REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!

Pera, 'morality and justice', was the bombardment of Sarajevo moral? Is justice life on the run and the application of the law (justice) only for us mere mortals.

No, the argument that is missing from Karadzic and his supporters gives the game away. Nobody is arguing for a fair trial in Serbia (or elsewhere). Instead they believe that the man should be above the law. That is a serious difference of opinion that reminds us about the values we have. Some still believe that some (those of their own ethnic group) crimes committed should not be punished. I think all crimes should be punished, if not fairly, then at least equally.

There was a rabble of about 30 people protesting his arrest last night on republic square - members of Obraz and other extreme right wing organisations.

Another reminder of who supports what.

Despite my reservations about Hague 'justice', I've been pursuaded by (lack of) arguments from the other side that this is the right move.

Next to be extradited to Hague should be Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Madeleine Albright, Richard Holbrooke, Wesley Clark and other war criminals. But as usual only Serbs are tried. It is obviously a political court with sole purpose to blame the Serbs for the war and justify crimes commited by other sides, including the "west".

Karadzic seems to be an intelligent person and I am sure this trial will be very interesting. Not interesting in the way west wants, but interesting anyway. Karadzic will hopefully continue the Milosevic Hague tradition and uncover crimes commited by other sides, including dirty interference by west (weapon shipments etc).

B92 of late you have not published any of my posts, I will be careful not to insult anyone; instead I will lavish all with praise.
It is very brave of posters to voice their support of the Hague after the arrest of Karadzic. Despite the fact that the peoples across the Balkans feel that the Hague is a mockumentary designed to wash the hands of the west, supporters of this court include great statesmen such as Haradinaj,Oric, Clinton,Solana,Tadic,Siladzic Blair, and Ceku.
These men also believe that the Hague is the “law” and that Karadzic is not above it.
Despite the fact that I believe that the Hague represents no law or reason and that it is about rewriting history (and to punish a few token bad men), it is as refreshing as falling through the ice of a frozen lake to hear that serbian collaborators feel this is the “right move.”

bganon,

I am very well aware of the country’s organisation nowadays and surely do not think that there is any form of dictatorship.

I do not compare our government to one party system but their rhetoric sometimes does remind me, though. Many times I felt that they work against Serbia’s best interests and many times I felt that our national identity is jeopardized. I do get insult when someone calls me nationalist or ultra right wing supporter just for not supporting certain policy of our government. I am no less democratic than you are. I have nothing against other nationalities living in our country as long as they respect that country they live in and as long as they do not spew on that country. I do not support any mass murder and extermination policy. By being against of handing-over our citizens to Hague does not mean that I see certain individuals as heroes (the true heroes died some centuries ago) but just as the principle. We handed over way to many of them by far. The purpose of the court in Hague is to identify and put all the blame on Serbia. I am proud on our past, history, tradition and I am proud to be Serb. I do not identify myself with any of crimes committed in our name. About the education of the ultra-right wing member’s education we may argue but there is n point. I wouldn’t say that they are uneducated (some of them probably) but don’t put the entire ultra nationalist supporters in same basket with some hooligans who just happened to support right wing. I have met many uneducated people who support LDP and DS. Think that education has nothing to do with supporting some political direction. Thus, I don’t like to generalise, prefer to handle the facts after well conducted research.

Anyway, whether Karadzic is guilty or not, the trial whether held in Belgrade or Hague will be just for show. I would like to be proven wrong but unfortunately court of justice in Hague made so many mistakes that I have no faith in that institution. I agree that history books should contain both sides’ arguments.

I was also disgust how the war was conducted and what has been all done. I was disappointed about the strategy and certain events. But unfortunately all what I have red was about the “evil” Serbs and all the writhers were concentrating on one side events while the other sides were not described but rather mentioned as by the way. Many gaps in description and therefore I cannot take them that seriously. Perhaps when the other sides involved in the war reveal their truth, I will be bale to draw more precise conclusions and find the answer for certain actions taken by the Serbs.

As for the rest, seems that we both agree.

bganon,

I did not compare Karadzic with such fine persona as Mihailovich is (not deliberately anyway) but just the history moments prior to the arrest of generals and abandonment by the Westerners. All I have said was that general Mihalovich was described as war criminal in our history books (don’t you agree) and that many decades after we found out the real truth. The same may happen to Karadzic, but then it will be late. I also mention that we all can argue about the guilt or innocence but we will eventually learn the truth about Karadzic later on.

How much do you know about Karadzic, did you make your own research or your knowledge and believes are based on the so called objective journalistic reports from the West, perhaps CNN or BBC. Since I did not make my own research and since I do not trust Medias that much I have no guts to point my finger at someone and claim about guilt. From what I red (mostly from anty-Serbian books and articles) I still have some doubts about his absolute and ultimate guilt.

I also must add that I prefer charging on personal responsibility of the perpetrators. I say this because it is impossible to keep everything in order and to know everything that happens in front or defence line. There are many psychopaths involved in the war and I or high ranking military staff can not be responsible for every deed committed by some psychopath. What is the point of arresting those high ranking officers while bunch of psychopaths are walking free. I am sure that none of our generals issued any orders for brutal massacre nor any of them have personally fired and shoot someone from the so called enemy line.

One Serbian psychopath who asked for a ransom of about 20 000 DM after taking Albanian child from his grandparents or parents (can’t remember any more), have severed the head of that child because caretakers of the child had only 5000 DM. That psycho is still free, live amongst us. He should be deatined for the rest of his life, not some Karadzic, Mladic, Ojdanic,and so many irelevant individuals when it comes to this kinds of crimes in the war.

Yes bganon, I also do sympathise with the all victims, but honestly speaking, I do sympathize more with the Serbian victims. Yes, I also strongly believe that Serbia should not hand over any of its citizen to Hague, especially not after such splendid verdicts that set free criminals such as Haradinaj and Naser Oric.

As for Milosevic, he was pure disgrace for Serbs and I wish he died long before he actually appeared before the court. He does not deserve to be called Serb since he betrayed all the Serbs, those inside Serbia and those living outside Serbia’s borders.

bmrusila ' I think all crimes should be punished'. Justice with the knife (vengence a la Khomeni) is the exclusive property of the ultra right wing militia fan club, much closer to your own views, not mine. I believe in legal prosecution of those accused of crimes. I identify with the victims, not the generals and their cowardly political leaders. Is that clear?

And tell you what I'll spare you my opinion if you spare us drawling monologues on Draza Mihajlovic who has precisely nothing to do with Karadzic. Personally I think its insulting that you would even compare one to the other. Ask around about Karadzic's off the field activities, when he wasn't ordering troops into battle he was engaged in criminal activities. Karadzic was no Mihajlovic, not even close.

IDA I'm prepared to bow to Milosevic's opinion on this one. He called the bombardment of Sarajevo cowardly. And I can tell you that some Serbs that supported Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia had problems with it as well.

I do not support the bombardment of civilian areas, just as I stongly opposed the bombardment of RTS etc. The excuses do not cut any ice with me.

By the way, let me be the first to welcome serbia to the EU, mark my words, Serbia will be an EU member within 2 years.

bmrusila remember we are not living under a (benevolent) communist dictatorship anymore.

This democratically elected government cannot be compared to a one party system, particularly the one party system of the period when the show trial of Mihailovic was in force. The history books did contain propaganda about him of course. Only an idiot would say otherwise. What I hope would happen with Karadzic is that both sides of the argument would be presented in the history books, alongside indisputable facts, which by that time will be more concrete. History isn't perfect, if Karadzic is found guilty at the Hague then history won't remember him so kindly for sure. However, it might be that the man is guilty. I have not proclaimed him such, however, I was disgusted with the way some parts of that war were conducted. The mass murder of civilians, bombardment of civilian areas are unacceptable. Those in command must answer for these crimes.

I am also disgusted by the fools that support him with their uneducated, ultra right wing doctrine. Its so twisted.

You are right that many sick individuals took part in disgusting acts during war. But that is partly to do with a lack of discipline. If soldiers are given the message that its ok to drink, take drugs and rape during war, it is the commanding officer that takes responsiblity for this and rightly so.

Anyway psychopaths should not be conscripted, rather rejected upon application. There is always responsibility of somebody else, for every crime carried out, even if I agree with you that crimes should be individualised.

There is nothing wrong with sympathising more with your own victims. You have the right to feel that way and you deserve credit for being open and honest about that. Personally I may feel closer to Serbs, but I will not allow that to cloud my judgement.

You won't get any argument from me on Milosevic. He was a disgrace and yes he did betray all Serbs. But the shocking thing though, don't you think, is that some Serbs still see him as some kind of hero because from the outside it looked like he defied the west - even though he sold Serbs down the river (of blood)?

No offence to my southern neighbours, but remember Sloba was actually a Montenegrin!

Bganon, don't you get it by now that no Serb is going to get a fair trial in Hague?
The whole tribunal was set up to convince the world that only the Serbs were evil and did evil things.

Why are you so eager to send your own there knowing that they will either be found guilty of dead. Nothing in between. Certianly no walkouts like Oric and the rest of the criminals received.

Why are we bowing to America knowing they are only out to destroy us?
It seems to me that you speak more ill of the Serbs than even some non Serbs.
General Lewis MacKenzie was there, on the ground, commanding the UN and he sees a totally different picture than you do. I suggest you go out and buy his book titled "Peackeeper, the road to Sarajevo" and learn something from a credible source for a change.
Read John Pilger's book titled "The New Rulers of the World" in which he mentions the enthic cleanisng of Serbs from Kosovo under the watchful eye of the UN. He would certainly disagree with you.
Noam Chomsky is another person who would argue about who the bad buys were in that war.
With Serbs like you, so quick to condemn their fellow men without proper research who needs NATO?

I knew that Dr. Dabic is karadzic.
I bet Kostunica is Mladic.

Tell me Peggy, as an American, do you consider yourself a traitor for supporting Anti American policies?

People who call others traitors are always the same, always... Hyprocritical to the maximum and no arguments...

My advice to you is to read some Serbian books, I can make up a reading list for you if you'd like, from both sides of the debate of course. Although I suppose its treacherous to even put yourself in somebody elses shoes for just one second right?

Is it any wonder that the Serb nation has a complex bordering upon paranoia? Some 90% of international war crimes proceedings have been against Serbs, while the thousands of Serb victims have been flagrantly disregarded. If crimes against Serbs were persued in the aftermath of the 1990s conflicts then perhaps Mladic AND Karadzic would be languishing in the Hague, as opposed to being revered as the Serbs' only prominant protest against the international communities' unwillingness to act with an even hand.

To find the Albanian bandit Ramush Haradinaj not guilty of war crimes against non-Albanians, to acquit the Jihadist Naser Oric of the genocide of 3,500 Serb civilians in the villages around Srebrenica prior to the the 'infamous' massacre of 1995, to refuse to indict Izetbegovic and Tudjman postumously as they did with Arkan, the Hague has shown once again that a Serb life isn't worth that an ethnic Albanian, Bosnian Muslim or Croat. It is an insult to the Serb nation both living and dead.

Do you think that this will help Serbia join the EU? They took Kosovo, they cleansed Krajina and still you obey???

By the way, let me be the first to welcome serbia to the EU, mark my words, Serbia will be an EU member within 2 years.

"The lawyer said that his client was “refusing food“, that he had lost weight,"
Wow he is in custody for few hourse and already lost weight???
Geez his diet plan must be amazing!! (That's sarcastic, if you don't get it)

Pera, 'morality and justice', was the bombardment of Sarajevo moral? Is justice life on the run and the application of the law (justice) only for us mere mortals.

No, the argument that is missing from Karadzic and his supporters gives the game away. Nobody is arguing for a fair trial in Serbia (or elsewhere). Instead they believe that the man should be above the law. That is a serious difference of opinion that reminds us about the values we have. Some still believe that some (those of their own ethnic group) crimes committed should not be punished. I think all crimes should be punished, if not fairly, then at least equally.

There was a rabble of about 30 people protesting his arrest last night on republic square - members of Obraz and other extreme right wing organisations.

Another reminder of who supports what.

Despite my reservations about Hague 'justice', I've been pursuaded by (lack of) arguments from the other side that this is the right move.

Pera wrote:

"Shame on you Serbia. In your haste to join the EU you have put greed and personal gratification before morals and justice. God should be the judge of Karadzic not some badly flawed institution that has shown itself incapable of holding a fair trial."

I regretfully have to agree with you...shame on us all and I mean everyone of us. The one's who were for and against this action. I place more shame on me and all who were against this action, we should've done more to prevent this or all the others things from happening. We are Serbia, not Tadic.

REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!

bmrusila ' I think all crimes should be punished'. Justice with the knife (vengence a la Khomeni) is the exclusive property of the ultra right wing militia fan club, much closer to your own views, not mine. I believe in legal prosecution of those accused of crimes. I identify with the victims, not the generals and their cowardly political leaders. Is that clear?

And tell you what I'll spare you my opinion if you spare us drawling monologues on Draza Mihajlovic who has precisely nothing to do with Karadzic. Personally I think its insulting that you would even compare one to the other. Ask around about Karadzic's off the field activities, when he wasn't ordering troops into battle he was engaged in criminal activities. Karadzic was no Mihajlovic, not even close.

IDA I'm prepared to bow to Milosevic's opinion on this one. He called the bombardment of Sarajevo cowardly. And I can tell you that some Serbs that supported Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia had problems with it as well.

I do not support the bombardment of civilian areas, just as I stongly opposed the bombardment of RTS etc. The excuses do not cut any ice with me.

I knew that Dr. Dabic is karadzic.
I bet Kostunica is Mladic.

bmrusila remember we are not living under a (benevolent) communist dictatorship anymore.

This democratically elected government cannot be compared to a one party system, particularly the one party system of the period when the show trial of Mihailovic was in force. The history books did contain propaganda about him of course. Only an idiot would say otherwise. What I hope would happen with Karadzic is that both sides of the argument would be presented in the history books, alongside indisputable facts, which by that time will be more concrete. History isn't perfect, if Karadzic is found guilty at the Hague then history won't remember him so kindly for sure. However, it might be that the man is guilty. I have not proclaimed him such, however, I was disgusted with the way some parts of that war were conducted. The mass murder of civilians, bombardment of civilian areas are unacceptable. Those in command must answer for these crimes.

I am also disgusted by the fools that support him with their uneducated, ultra right wing doctrine. Its so twisted.

You are right that many sick individuals took part in disgusting acts during war. But that is partly to do with a lack of discipline. If soldiers are given the message that its ok to drink, take drugs and rape during war, it is the commanding officer that takes responsiblity for this and rightly so.

Anyway psychopaths should not be conscripted, rather rejected upon application. There is always responsibility of somebody else, for every crime carried out, even if I agree with you that crimes should be individualised.

There is nothing wrong with sympathising more with your own victims. You have the right to feel that way and you deserve credit for being open and honest about that. Personally I may feel closer to Serbs, but I will not allow that to cloud my judgement.

You won't get any argument from me on Milosevic. He was a disgrace and yes he did betray all Serbs. But the shocking thing though, don't you think, is that some Serbs still see him as some kind of hero because from the outside it looked like he defied the west - even though he sold Serbs down the river (of blood)?

No offence to my southern neighbours, but remember Sloba was actually a Montenegrin!

Shame on you Serbia. In your haste to join the EU you have put greed and personal gratification before morals and justice. God should be the judge of Karadzic not some badly flawed institution that has shown itself incapable of holding a fair trial.

B92 of late you have not published any of my posts, I will be careful not to insult anyone; instead I will lavish all with praise.
It is very brave of posters to voice their support of the Hague after the arrest of Karadzic. Despite the fact that the peoples across the Balkans feel that the Hague is a mockumentary designed to wash the hands of the west, supporters of this court include great statesmen such as Haradinaj,Oric, Clinton,Solana,Tadic,Siladzic Blair, and Ceku.
These men also believe that the Hague is the “law” and that Karadzic is not above it.
Despite the fact that I believe that the Hague represents no law or reason and that it is about rewriting history (and to punish a few token bad men), it is as refreshing as falling through the ice of a frozen lake to hear that serbian collaborators feel this is the “right move.”

This sell-out government continues to reveal its ugly face and continues to feed Serbians to the lions.

Shame shame shame - the demonisation of Serbians continues while Croatian, Bosnian Muslim and Albanian criminals are set free by the NATO court.

Karadžić can only be found guilty or dead and just like Milosević - death is only option.

And for what? Fresh carrots from Solana's garden?

zorank@email.com

"Pera, 'morality and justice', was the bombardment of Sarajevo moral?"

Sarajevo was a DIVIDED city in the war with the front lines running in the middle near the infamous Holiday Inn. The Bosnian Muslim army was launching mortars and sniping into the Serb sectors - which included Sarajevo suburbs. Throughout the war the front lines were mostly unchanged. The most damage was the front line area where the two armies faced off one another.

And a Canadian journalist who visited in the middle of the war noticed the Muslim side of Sarajevo had heavy traffic (proving they had ample fuel supplies) while the Serb side had only scarce traffic - as they were under sanctions. It was different than the media portrayal of what was going on.

UN personnel did testify that Muslim snipers controlled and used buildings in the infamous "Sniper's Alley" and they were caught by French Marines doing sniping against Sarajevo civilians and the UN. The Muslims assumed Serbs would get the blame - and they did most every time - for any sniping the Bosnian Muslim army within Sarajevo did.

Serbs trapped in the Muslim controlled part of Sarajevo were often killed when their homes were raided, or they were taken to illegal prisons and concentration camps to be beaten to death or raped.

Serbian women sent documentation to the UN Security Council of rape camps operated in Sarajevo - this was before the Muslims and mainstream media started their propaganda about Serb rape camps.

Nowadays you have an almost ethnically pure Muslim Sarajevo - 95%, while the Serb population has fallen over 150,000 versus the prewar one.

Disgrace, disgrace, disgrace and disgrace once more.


Bganon

Please, spare us of your vision of justice. Perhaps thousands of victims of Serbian nationality in Bosnia and Croatia are just justice for you. All the perpetrators of the massacres against Serbian population in ex-YU are set free before that very Hague tribunal, the court of justice. Justice, indeed.Prhaps, you should learn that real justice for the previleged does not exist.

Next to be extradited to Hague should be Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Madeleine Albright, Richard Holbrooke, Wesley Clark and other war criminals. But as usual only Serbs are tried. It is obviously a political court with sole purpose to blame the Serbs for the war and justify crimes commited by other sides, including the "west".

Karadzic seems to be an intelligent person and I am sure this trial will be very interesting. Not interesting in the way west wants, but interesting anyway. Karadzic will hopefully continue the Milosevic Hague tradition and uncover crimes commited by other sides, including dirty interference by west (weapon shipments etc).

bganon,

I did not compare Karadzic with such fine persona as Mihailovich is (not deliberately anyway) but just the history moments prior to the arrest of generals and abandonment by the Westerners. All I have said was that general Mihalovich was described as war criminal in our history books (don’t you agree) and that many decades after we found out the real truth. The same may happen to Karadzic, but then it will be late. I also mention that we all can argue about the guilt or innocence but we will eventually learn the truth about Karadzic later on.

How much do you know about Karadzic, did you make your own research or your knowledge and believes are based on the so called objective journalistic reports from the West, perhaps CNN or BBC. Since I did not make my own research and since I do not trust Medias that much I have no guts to point my finger at someone and claim about guilt. From what I red (mostly from anty-Serbian books and articles) I still have some doubts about his absolute and ultimate guilt.

I also must add that I prefer charging on personal responsibility of the perpetrators. I say this because it is impossible to keep everything in order and to know everything that happens in front or defence line. There are many psychopaths involved in the war and I or high ranking military staff can not be responsible for every deed committed by some psychopath. What is the point of arresting those high ranking officers while bunch of psychopaths are walking free. I am sure that none of our generals issued any orders for brutal massacre nor any of them have personally fired and shoot someone from the so called enemy line.

One Serbian psychopath who asked for a ransom of about 20 000 DM after taking Albanian child from his grandparents or parents (can’t remember any more), have severed the head of that child because caretakers of the child had only 5000 DM. That psycho is still free, live amongst us. He should be deatined for the rest of his life, not some Karadzic, Mladic, Ojdanic,and so many irelevant individuals when it comes to this kinds of crimes in the war.

Yes bganon, I also do sympathise with the all victims, but honestly speaking, I do sympathize more with the Serbian victims. Yes, I also strongly believe that Serbia should not hand over any of its citizen to Hague, especially not after such splendid verdicts that set free criminals such as Haradinaj and Naser Oric.

As for Milosevic, he was pure disgrace for Serbs and I wish he died long before he actually appeared before the court. He does not deserve to be called Serb since he betrayed all the Serbs, those inside Serbia and those living outside Serbia’s borders.

bganon,

I am very well aware of the country’s organisation nowadays and surely do not think that there is any form of dictatorship.

I do not compare our government to one party system but their rhetoric sometimes does remind me, though. Many times I felt that they work against Serbia’s best interests and many times I felt that our national identity is jeopardized. I do get insult when someone calls me nationalist or ultra right wing supporter just for not supporting certain policy of our government. I am no less democratic than you are. I have nothing against other nationalities living in our country as long as they respect that country they live in and as long as they do not spew on that country. I do not support any mass murder and extermination policy. By being against of handing-over our citizens to Hague does not mean that I see certain individuals as heroes (the true heroes died some centuries ago) but just as the principle. We handed over way to many of them by far. The purpose of the court in Hague is to identify and put all the blame on Serbia. I am proud on our past, history, tradition and I am proud to be Serb. I do not identify myself with any of crimes committed in our name. About the education of the ultra-right wing member’s education we may argue but there is n point. I wouldn’t say that they are uneducated (some of them probably) but don’t put the entire ultra nationalist supporters in same basket with some hooligans who just happened to support right wing. I have met many uneducated people who support LDP and DS. Think that education has nothing to do with supporting some political direction. Thus, I don’t like to generalise, prefer to handle the facts after well conducted research.

Anyway, whether Karadzic is guilty or not, the trial whether held in Belgrade or Hague will be just for show. I would like to be proven wrong but unfortunately court of justice in Hague made so many mistakes that I have no faith in that institution. I agree that history books should contain both sides’ arguments.

I was also disgust how the war was conducted and what has been all done. I was disappointed about the strategy and certain events. But unfortunately all what I have red was about the “evil” Serbs and all the writhers were concentrating on one side events while the other sides were not described but rather mentioned as by the way. Many gaps in description and therefore I cannot take them that seriously. Perhaps when the other sides involved in the war reveal their truth, I will be bale to draw more precise conclusions and find the answer for certain actions taken by the Serbs.

As for the rest, seems that we both agree.

Bganon, don't you get it by now that no Serb is going to get a fair trial in Hague?
The whole tribunal was set up to convince the world that only the Serbs were evil and did evil things.

Why are you so eager to send your own there knowing that they will either be found guilty of dead. Nothing in between. Certianly no walkouts like Oric and the rest of the criminals received.

Why are we bowing to America knowing they are only out to destroy us?
It seems to me that you speak more ill of the Serbs than even some non Serbs.
General Lewis MacKenzie was there, on the ground, commanding the UN and he sees a totally different picture than you do. I suggest you go out and buy his book titled "Peackeeper, the road to Sarajevo" and learn something from a credible source for a change.
Read John Pilger's book titled "The New Rulers of the World" in which he mentions the enthic cleanisng of Serbs from Kosovo under the watchful eye of the UN. He would certainly disagree with you.
Noam Chomsky is another person who would argue about who the bad buys were in that war.
With Serbs like you, so quick to condemn their fellow men without proper research who needs NATO?

Tell me Peggy, as an American, do you consider yourself a traitor for supporting Anti American policies?

People who call others traitors are always the same, always... Hyprocritical to the maximum and no arguments...

My advice to you is to read some Serbian books, I can make up a reading list for you if you'd like, from both sides of the debate of course. Although I suppose its treacherous to even put yourself in somebody elses shoes for just one second right?