Kosovo minister to promote reconciliation

The title of this article is very encouraging but unfortunately the text within the article itself is far from promoting reconciliation.

Nevertheless the fact that the word "reconciliation" is put in a Serbian official is a good start. Both these two countries will always be neighors to each other and sooner the reconciliation starts faster the whole region will move towards the ultimate goal which is joing EU. The people and the government of Kosovo is ready to "embrace" reconciliation as the process that will bring this two nations closer to good cooperation among each other. After all, both countries have national minorities within each other that should serve as bridge to ease up this process.

Jovan.



You are just having a bad dream. Reconciliation can only happend in an independent Kosovo. We albanians are not stupid, we ain't going to give Kosovo to Serbia and wait for another slobo milosevic to come up. Your country is full of radicalism and my country is democratic and free for all people. Even the serbs. You can't even handle your albanians in preshevo valley and bujanovc. How do you think you'r going to manage Kosovo with it's two million albanians? Albanians who don't reconize your state with Kosovo or your rule? This wouldent be good for Serbia at all.The majority of serbs wants a EU to enter EU and have a better life. We albanians are never going to give Kosovo up. Serbia with Kosovo cannot enter the EU. Only as separete states.


If serbs want Kosovo they can kiss EU good night. That wouldent bring serbs a better life. Only troubels.


My advise, leave Kosovo alone.

Is it just me, or is there absolutely *nothing* mentioned as to how this phoney "minister" is exactly going to go about doing that?

reconciliation is only a question of time.

and..., given that there are so many Albanians attending to the authorities in Niš to get serbian documents, I don´t think it will last too long, since they will see with their own eyes the vast discrepancy between the stupid propaganda they read in the albanian yellow-press and reality in Serbia.

no pleasing prospects for our young albanian greater-albania supporters here!

and..., given that there are so many Albanians attending to the authorities in Niš to get serbian documents, I don´t think it will last too long,

Jovan, may I ask you, how many passports do you have and if more than the serbian one, which is the most useful to you? Also many Kosovars have dual citizenship and are thus equal citizens of other countries than Kosovo. This bears no legal problems.

Adam

U made clear point by saying that Albanians do not recognise Serbia as their own state and that was the reason for all troubles that took place in the past. U Albanians have been living in Serbia and Serbian land for years (many migrated from Albania after the IIWW) and all these years you have been dreaming about your own Republic or greater Albania. In my opinion, if that have happened in any other country in the world you would get exactly the same treatment, if not even worse. Albanian disobedience in Presevo Valley proves my claims and suggestions that u have made clearly. Even though I do not suggest or support any ethnical cleansing, still think that Serbia would be better off Albanians from Presevo Valley. So, if Valley Albanians do not respect and recognise Serbia as their own state, they are free to leave any time and with no hesitation. But wonder still how those Albanians living in other regions of Serbia have no problems sharing neighbourhood with Serbs and others. I am talking about 100.000 living only in Belgrade, not to mention other cities and towns.

Well, now I am asking you why would Serbs in Kosovo behave differently given the typical Albanian attitude that seems to work. Serbs have all rights to ignore and reject some pseudo-state Kosovo governed by war criminals. Hope K-Serbs will stay firm in their decision to boycott integration into this so called independent state. K-Serbs should stay firmly within Belgrade's umbrella and run parallel system that seems to work well in Kosovo too, as we could learn from you Albanians.

If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again. It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.

Let's see, Serbs murder 10,000 Albanians and ethnically cleanse 1 million more, and bmrusila conveniently calls it "Albanian disobedience."

It goes to show which party is the most popular in Serbia - Oh yeah, the one promoting racism and hatred.

"If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again. It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.
(bmrusila, 19 July 2008 22:27)"

We know very well your history. Remember we were there when you came marching on your high horses from Caucasus. We have been there all along, watching how your nation grew from few tribes in the 7-th century to a complete nation at the expense of the others. We have watched your empires and kingdoms come and go and we have recorded all of these. We have seen how you invaded and then lost and then invaded again and then lost again Kosova. You better learn a little about our history, that is much more ancient than yours, and show a little respect for your neighbors.

Kosovo minister?! If Kosovo is Serbia why do they need a sepparate minister for it? Do they also have a minister for Belgrade?

"If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again."

Another Serbian threat. let me remind you that you got it thanks to Russia, when Albanian didn't have a state at all and Kosova was part of the ottoman empire. Then Albanians fought but didn't have a state /modern army so they were defeated. Albanians were 75% in 1912 and are 95% now in K and soon there will be more Albanians than Serbs in the Balkans. Why would Kosova stay with Serbia again, especially given your attitudes (even after 1998-99)???

No Albanian wants war, but threats are not appreciated.

I am of course travelling with the serbian passport, and I am very proud to own the serbian one, even if it is of course pure luck to be born as a serb... ;)

and before you start writing nonsense, I do not have problems with travelling either!

so, if I´d say "let´s meet in NYC next tuesday afternoon, it would be no problem for me, ..something I doubt that you would be capable of doing.

bottom-line is: I do not need further documents, you are forced to apply for others - since your stillborn´s "documents" are not seen as valid ID by two thirds of our planet!

and the suspended volleyball-team of Albania is only one example of what you have to expect of the future!

you should, and I think you WILL wake up from your greater albanian dream! as I said, reconciliation is just a question of time. and you won´t get anywhere, without serbian acceptance...

let´s just see what future brings.

Reconciliation between Serbs and Albanians can begin if and only if both sides realize, and accept, that Kosovo's history is a shared history.

There is no good in the Serbian historical narrative that places Kosovo on this pedastel of symbolic myth that only focuses on Serbian heritage and history, while ignoring the Albanian half.

Likewise, the Albanians must realize Kosovo was never exclusively theirs, it is not some part of Natural Albania, and detonating churches to remove any historical reference of other people living there is not something civilized nations do. Each side is very keen at pointing out the blissful ignorance of the other, but each side also needs to examine the prejudices, historical revisions, and selective memories of their own pasts.

bmrusila

''So, if Valley Albanians do not respect and recognise Serbia as their own state, they are free to leave any time and with no hesitation.''


Why should they leave ? They can also play tricky games like the K-serbs do. Forming own assembly etc. They are a minority and they have accepted that. So should the K-serbs do also.



''But wonder still how those Albanians living in other regions of Serbia have no problems sharing neighbourhood with Serbs and others. I am talking about 100.000 living only in Belgrade, not to mention other cities and towns.''


There is no 100 000 albanians in Belgrade. Only around 150 000 albanians in preshevo valley and bujanovc. The serbian police is causing them troubles everyday. How should 100 000 albanians live in belgrade when more than 30 % of the serbian population loves Slobo Milosevic ? A slobo who's plans was to eleminate the albanian population from Kosovo.

''If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again. It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.''



That would mean that Serbia would never enter the EU and another war would start in Balkan. Croatia and Albanian is NAto now and Nato in that case would crush Serbia once again. Do you wrelly dream you can get Kosovo back ? Haven't you heard what mrs. Rice said yesterday ? Kosovo is independent and will in the future stay so.



Serbia has only two choices. Try to keep Kosovo WITH WAR(the only way). Or enter THE EU and start a reconciliation.



We albanians will never give up Kosovo. Not the north or the south. So you serbs just can keep dreaming. When you wake up Kosovo has enter the EU.

Adam, if Serbia was "full of radicalism" then it would be part of the government. In fact they got less than 30% in the recent election.

I cannot see how you can say Kosovo is free for all people. Free for all people as long as they are Albanian is nearer the truth.

The Albanians in Presevo are treated somewhat better than the Serbs and other minorities are in Kosovo.

Landi, the UK has ministers for both Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales despite all three having a degree of autonomy/self-rule.

bmrusila

It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.
(bmrusila, 19 July 2008 22:27)

This is technically incorrect. It is in the hands of US/EU/NATO occupiers not the Albanians. They will decide what to do and when to do it? That is what the Albanians don't realize.

Judging by the comments here and on an everyday basis, reconciliation is a long way away.

I'm better than you.
My history is better than yours.
You kill for ethnic cleansing, we kill out of self defense.
My irredentist movement is historically justified. Your irredentist movement is warmongery.
This land was ours before you took it. It's ours by historical right.
This land was yours before we took it. Too bad, vox populi.
We are a peaceful people. You kill for sport.
We have a rich cultural heritage. You steal ideas from others and call them your own.

And then both sides wonder why the other doesn't want to live with them.

Miri,

We came and we marched on our high horses and we expanded as a nation and finally we formed the first Serbian state. What you Albanians have been doing all that time before Serbs came? Nothing, except roaming the Balkan without any form of arranged society. It took you so long before you were able to create one in Albania nowadays. You even don’t know who you are and who your ancestors were and you faced and still face the crisis of the national identity.

Milan,

You are right!

Art,

But you were disobedient or you deny it. You had all the chances to live with your neighbours in peace and enjoy wide autonomy that you were granted by Tito. Of course, this wasn’t enough, Albanians wanted more, more and more and who could satisfy your appetite ever. That was the identity crisis that you faced, inferiority or what not. And of course, everyone who does not support Jovanovic’s policy or Tadic’s then he or she must be radical-minded, racist and hater.


Dashnori i Satam,

I don’t threat, I just think. I have no power to threat, neither enjoy to threat, but this is how the things will develop in the future. I never said that Serbia did all by itself; it is true that we had Russia as a back up for the great deal of the events that took place in the past. Serbia is a tiny country that must have some back up by the important players in world’s politics.


Adam,

*They can also play tricky games like the K-serbs do. Forming own assembly etc. They are a minority and they have accepted that. So should the K-serbs do also*


-I could not care lees if Valley Albanians form some sort of parallel structures.


*Croatia and Albanian is NAto now and Nato in that case would crush Serbia once again. Do you wrelly dream you can get Kosovo back ? Haven't you heard what mrs. Rice said yesterday ? Kosovo is independent and will in the future stay so.*

-I don’t remember that NATO crushed Serbia. We survived their bestial bombing just fine and I am sure if they dared to attack on the ground they would have faced new Vietnam in the heart of the Balkan. I pity if you take Rice’s or any American diplomat’s words for real. My advice, be careful.

Landi, why do you bother to write something so silly?
Is this just to irritate?

Jovan.



You are just having a bad dream. Reconciliation can only happend in an independent Kosovo. We albanians are not stupid, we ain't going to give Kosovo to Serbia and wait for another slobo milosevic to come up. Your country is full of radicalism and my country is democratic and free for all people. Even the serbs. You can't even handle your albanians in preshevo valley and bujanovc. How do you think you'r going to manage Kosovo with it's two million albanians? Albanians who don't reconize your state with Kosovo or your rule? This wouldent be good for Serbia at all.The majority of serbs wants a EU to enter EU and have a better life. We albanians are never going to give Kosovo up. Serbia with Kosovo cannot enter the EU. Only as separete states.


If serbs want Kosovo they can kiss EU good night. That wouldent bring serbs a better life. Only troubels.


My advise, leave Kosovo alone.

reconciliation is only a question of time.

and..., given that there are so many Albanians attending to the authorities in Niš to get serbian documents, I don´t think it will last too long, since they will see with their own eyes the vast discrepancy between the stupid propaganda they read in the albanian yellow-press and reality in Serbia.

no pleasing prospects for our young albanian greater-albania supporters here!

The title of this article is very encouraging but unfortunately the text within the article itself is far from promoting reconciliation.

Nevertheless the fact that the word "reconciliation" is put in a Serbian official is a good start. Both these two countries will always be neighors to each other and sooner the reconciliation starts faster the whole region will move towards the ultimate goal which is joing EU. The people and the government of Kosovo is ready to "embrace" reconciliation as the process that will bring this two nations closer to good cooperation among each other. After all, both countries have national minorities within each other that should serve as bridge to ease up this process.

and..., given that there are so many Albanians attending to the authorities in Niš to get serbian documents, I don´t think it will last too long,

Jovan, may I ask you, how many passports do you have and if more than the serbian one, which is the most useful to you? Also many Kosovars have dual citizenship and are thus equal citizens of other countries than Kosovo. This bears no legal problems.

Kosovo minister?! If Kosovo is Serbia why do they need a sepparate minister for it? Do they also have a minister for Belgrade?

Adam

U made clear point by saying that Albanians do not recognise Serbia as their own state and that was the reason for all troubles that took place in the past. U Albanians have been living in Serbia and Serbian land for years (many migrated from Albania after the IIWW) and all these years you have been dreaming about your own Republic or greater Albania. In my opinion, if that have happened in any other country in the world you would get exactly the same treatment, if not even worse. Albanian disobedience in Presevo Valley proves my claims and suggestions that u have made clearly. Even though I do not suggest or support any ethnical cleansing, still think that Serbia would be better off Albanians from Presevo Valley. So, if Valley Albanians do not respect and recognise Serbia as their own state, they are free to leave any time and with no hesitation. But wonder still how those Albanians living in other regions of Serbia have no problems sharing neighbourhood with Serbs and others. I am talking about 100.000 living only in Belgrade, not to mention other cities and towns.

Well, now I am asking you why would Serbs in Kosovo behave differently given the typical Albanian attitude that seems to work. Serbs have all rights to ignore and reject some pseudo-state Kosovo governed by war criminals. Hope K-Serbs will stay firm in their decision to boycott integration into this so called independent state. K-Serbs should stay firmly within Belgrade's umbrella and run parallel system that seems to work well in Kosovo too, as we could learn from you Albanians.

If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again. It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.

Adam, if Serbia was "full of radicalism" then it would be part of the government. In fact they got less than 30% in the recent election.

I cannot see how you can say Kosovo is free for all people. Free for all people as long as they are Albanian is nearer the truth.

The Albanians in Presevo are treated somewhat better than the Serbs and other minorities are in Kosovo.

Landi, the UK has ministers for both Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales despite all three having a degree of autonomy/self-rule.

Landi, why do you bother to write something so silly?
Is this just to irritate?

I am of course travelling with the serbian passport, and I am very proud to own the serbian one, even if it is of course pure luck to be born as a serb... ;)

and before you start writing nonsense, I do not have problems with travelling either!

so, if I´d say "let´s meet in NYC next tuesday afternoon, it would be no problem for me, ..something I doubt that you would be capable of doing.

bottom-line is: I do not need further documents, you are forced to apply for others - since your stillborn´s "documents" are not seen as valid ID by two thirds of our planet!

and the suspended volleyball-team of Albania is only one example of what you have to expect of the future!

you should, and I think you WILL wake up from your greater albanian dream! as I said, reconciliation is just a question of time. and you won´t get anywhere, without serbian acceptance...

let´s just see what future brings.

"If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again. It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.
(bmrusila, 19 July 2008 22:27)"

We know very well your history. Remember we were there when you came marching on your high horses from Caucasus. We have been there all along, watching how your nation grew from few tribes in the 7-th century to a complete nation at the expense of the others. We have watched your empires and kingdoms come and go and we have recorded all of these. We have seen how you invaded and then lost and then invaded again and then lost again Kosova. You better learn a little about our history, that is much more ancient than yours, and show a little respect for your neighbors.

Reconciliation between Serbs and Albanians can begin if and only if both sides realize, and accept, that Kosovo's history is a shared history.

There is no good in the Serbian historical narrative that places Kosovo on this pedastel of symbolic myth that only focuses on Serbian heritage and history, while ignoring the Albanian half.

Likewise, the Albanians must realize Kosovo was never exclusively theirs, it is not some part of Natural Albania, and detonating churches to remove any historical reference of other people living there is not something civilized nations do. Each side is very keen at pointing out the blissful ignorance of the other, but each side also needs to examine the prejudices, historical revisions, and selective memories of their own pasts.

Is it just me, or is there absolutely *nothing* mentioned as to how this phoney "minister" is exactly going to go about doing that?

bmrusila

It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.
(bmrusila, 19 July 2008 22:27)

This is technically incorrect. It is in the hands of US/EU/NATO occupiers not the Albanians. They will decide what to do and when to do it? That is what the Albanians don't realize.

Let's see, Serbs murder 10,000 Albanians and ethnically cleanse 1 million more, and bmrusila conveniently calls it "Albanian disobedience."

It goes to show which party is the most popular in Serbia - Oh yeah, the one promoting racism and hatred.

"If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again."

Another Serbian threat. let me remind you that you got it thanks to Russia, when Albanian didn't have a state at all and Kosova was part of the ottoman empire. Then Albanians fought but didn't have a state /modern army so they were defeated. Albanians were 75% in 1912 and are 95% now in K and soon there will be more Albanians than Serbs in the Balkans. Why would Kosova stay with Serbia again, especially given your attitudes (even after 1998-99)???

No Albanian wants war, but threats are not appreciated.

bmrusila

''So, if Valley Albanians do not respect and recognise Serbia as their own state, they are free to leave any time and with no hesitation.''


Why should they leave ? They can also play tricky games like the K-serbs do. Forming own assembly etc. They are a minority and they have accepted that. So should the K-serbs do also.



''But wonder still how those Albanians living in other regions of Serbia have no problems sharing neighbourhood with Serbs and others. I am talking about 100.000 living only in Belgrade, not to mention other cities and towns.''


There is no 100 000 albanians in Belgrade. Only around 150 000 albanians in preshevo valley and bujanovc. The serbian police is causing them troubles everyday. How should 100 000 albanians live in belgrade when more than 30 % of the serbian population loves Slobo Milosevic ? A slobo who's plans was to eleminate the albanian population from Kosovo.

''If nothing else, then Albanians should really learn something form our history and remember that Serbs lost Kosovo only once for very long and never again, so it is just the matter of the year when the province will be under Serbian governing again. It is just temporarily in the hands of Albanians, and be ready to give it back to its right owner once when the right time comes.''



That would mean that Serbia would never enter the EU and another war would start in Balkan. Croatia and Albanian is NAto now and Nato in that case would crush Serbia once again. Do you wrelly dream you can get Kosovo back ? Haven't you heard what mrs. Rice said yesterday ? Kosovo is independent and will in the future stay so.



Serbia has only two choices. Try to keep Kosovo WITH WAR(the only way). Or enter THE EU and start a reconciliation.



We albanians will never give up Kosovo. Not the north or the south. So you serbs just can keep dreaming. When you wake up Kosovo has enter the EU.

Judging by the comments here and on an everyday basis, reconciliation is a long way away.

I'm better than you.
My history is better than yours.
You kill for ethnic cleansing, we kill out of self defense.
My irredentist movement is historically justified. Your irredentist movement is warmongery.
This land was ours before you took it. It's ours by historical right.
This land was yours before we took it. Too bad, vox populi.
We are a peaceful people. You kill for sport.
We have a rich cultural heritage. You steal ideas from others and call them your own.

And then both sides wonder why the other doesn't want to live with them.

Miri,

We came and we marched on our high horses and we expanded as a nation and finally we formed the first Serbian state. What you Albanians have been doing all that time before Serbs came? Nothing, except roaming the Balkan without any form of arranged society. It took you so long before you were able to create one in Albania nowadays. You even don’t know who you are and who your ancestors were and you faced and still face the crisis of the national identity.

Milan,

You are right!

Art,

But you were disobedient or you deny it. You had all the chances to live with your neighbours in peace and enjoy wide autonomy that you were granted by Tito. Of course, this wasn’t enough, Albanians wanted more, more and more and who could satisfy your appetite ever. That was the identity crisis that you faced, inferiority or what not. And of course, everyone who does not support Jovanovic’s policy or Tadic’s then he or she must be radical-minded, racist and hater.


Dashnori i Satam,

I don’t threat, I just think. I have no power to threat, neither enjoy to threat, but this is how the things will develop in the future. I never said that Serbia did all by itself; it is true that we had Russia as a back up for the great deal of the events that took place in the past. Serbia is a tiny country that must have some back up by the important players in world’s politics.


Adam,

*They can also play tricky games like the K-serbs do. Forming own assembly etc. They are a minority and they have accepted that. So should the K-serbs do also*


-I could not care lees if Valley Albanians form some sort of parallel structures.


*Croatia and Albanian is NAto now and Nato in that case would crush Serbia once again. Do you wrelly dream you can get Kosovo back ? Haven't you heard what mrs. Rice said yesterday ? Kosovo is independent and will in the future stay so.*

-I don’t remember that NATO crushed Serbia. We survived their bestial bombing just fine and I am sure if they dared to attack on the ground they would have faced new Vietnam in the heart of the Balkan. I pity if you take Rice’s or any American diplomat’s words for real. My advice, be careful.