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Feith expecting "new wave of recognitions"

Head of the International Civil Office in Kosovo Pieter Feith expects a new wave of recognitions of Kosovo very soon.

Izvor: Tanjug

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BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

(Mike, 19 July 2008 15:38)

Your sarcastic attempts to tell us that all Montenegrins are Serbs, are proving that you've spent way too much time with wrong people in Belgrade.
Are you competing for Last Comic Standing?
You should.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Dashnori i Satam said

United States will be prepared to employ military force against the Serbians in Kosovo and in Serbia proper.''

That can not be farther from the truth. There is no chance no chance that the USA will attack Serbia even if Serbia and Albanians started another conflict. The US public is already fed up with Iraq and they would go crazy if the US got involved in another war. This would be a bad time for Albanians to think they have an army backing them up.

Dashnori i Satam

pre 15 godina

"How important is a government when they are not going to be around in a few months time?"

My nick is Dashnori i Satam but close enough. Second: Apparently you don't know how US works. The policies are not changed every time a President is elected. For example the Balkans one stretches since Bush Sr who in 1992 delivered the Christmas warning to Slobo: ''In the event of conflict in Kosovo caused by Serbian action, the United States will be prepared to employ military force against the Serbians in Kosovo and in Serbia proper.''

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Dashnori & Satam. I'm sure that the FYROMS are so excited at the prospect of joining Albania and making that a great country.

Thanks for pointing that out to them. Now they will be even happier when their government recognizes Kosovo.

And this bit about Rice being influential and therefore important in the independence of Kosovo, I tell you that they are in the dying stages of their rule. The administration is finished. They have only a few more months to make silly promises.
How important is a government when they are not going to be around in a few months time?
They did all the damage they could've. They have run out of time.

Dashnori i Satam

pre 15 godina

"And when that happens - at a time when they need them most, they will find themselves with very few 'friends' in the region. "

Like Serbia or Greece are their friends now. When Albanians make the majority (in 20-30 years,) FYROM will join Albania and Kosova in a loose confederation and all the rights of the Slavs will be guaranteed, something Greece or Serbia is not known for.

Mike

pre 15 godina

USA Albanian,

Hmmm, you may be right about the error in demographic percentage. Going on to Wikipedia for a quick fact check, I found the following breakdown:

Serbs: 31.99
Montengerins (who are Serbs in every cultural sense of the word): 43.16

So adding the two together we get 75.15% not the 75% I originally wrote.

Apologies for the error, and thank you for pointing that out.

Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Alright, so Feith is a nobody that has claimed some crazy recognition wave.

How about Rice claiming the same thing? Is Rice a nobody too?

And who would you consider a somebody? Putin?

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

See that the court jester has been amusing the yokels - good to see.. keeps them out of mischief.

On a more serious note, looks like Macedonian president is setting the stage for recognition of 'pseudo-state'.

While I can understand the pressures being applied to do so, cannot see how it will benefit ethnic 'macedonians' in the long term.

Given current population demographics, current FYROM is doomed - is only a matter of time. And when that happens - at a time when they need them most, they will find themselves with very few 'friends' in the region.

Now were did I put those wading boots...

USA Albanian

pre 15 godina

Mike,

In your post #10 you made the statement that "Macedonia will probably recognize, but I see little incentive for Montenegro (since 75% of their population is Serb) and Greece (don't know where some of our Albanians friends are getting that idea from)."

I was wondering is that 75% statistic from before Montenegro declared independence or after? In either case I would have to say that those Serbs living in Montenegro are not very patriotic. Or, as I might suspect, the standard of living in Serbia is rather low for them to move. I visited Montenegro recently and found the standard of living there to be surprisingly lower than I expected. You can draw your own conclusions from my implication!

Peggy

pre 15 godina

village-bey, don't get your knickers in a knot now over how the name of a town is written. You guys have been distorting the name of Kosovo forever and it doesn't seem to bother you.

Now, about Macedonian recognition. Of course it will happen. The same speel was used by Djukanovic. I thought I was reading his speech here.

Like I said before, just get on with the recognition and we can get back to normal.
It isn't going to make any difference in the UNSC anyway. Now if Russia or China were to say they might do this, I would be concerned. Macedonia and Montenegro will make absolutely no difference at to the situation. It's only symbolic and to appease their Albanian population.
If I was a politician in Macedonia of Montenegro I would be embarrassed to even make such a silly speech, when we all know they WILL recognize Kosovo.

Nikitas

pre 15 godina

Lol...... some people just read what they wish to be written and not what actually is written.

@Doni
""Meanwhile, Macedonian President Branko Crvenkovski said yesterday that the new government would take a decision on recognizing Kosovo at one of its first sessions."

This sentence says it all, Macedonia is with us"

Although we all know that FYROM is about to recognise Kossovo, it is funny that you interprete the phrase "would take a desicion" as "we are recognising". Taking a desicion means "we decide" this side or the other side. It doesnt mean "we have already decided".
It is so simple and so.... stone age basic reading and comprehending a simple phrase. I wonder how can you people make such mistakes. Again I say, this is despite we already know the outcome, which is irrelevant.

Now the other little thing:
"Greece is next...and it should recognize ethnic Albanian minorities as well from Chameria, and allow their return in their birthplaces, and give back stolen properties."

Which parallel universe do you reside in, I wonder....
But I would appreciate it if you inform me about it, because it really sounds.... dreamy :)

Jetoni, US

pre 15 godina

Mr. Mark (Shqype);

I am not against more countries recognizing the independence of Kosova (I sure would hope that from my name alone, one can deduce my stand on the issue :-) ). I am merely sick and tired of this guy just spewing speeches about circumstances that he has absolutely not control over - undermines his credibility and makes him sound like a clown. I am a firm believer in doing, not talking (actions speak louder than words). Hope that clarified things a bit.

On the other hand – as you pointed out – interesting developments continue with neighboring Macedonia and Montenegro. Waiting to see what comes out in the following days.

Good day.
--Jetoni

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

ZK UK: I find it funny reading your change in rhetoric. First it was "Nobody will recognize the country" to recognitions which proved you wrong, forcing you to change your story to "From now on nobody ELSE will recognize the country." Now that it's apparent that more recognitions will take place, you again change your tune to "Even if others recognize this country, it will be because they were "bullied" by the US and EU, and they won't matter anyway!"

Well, the fact remains that Kosova has the strongest, most powerful, most important countries supporting it, and from now on its a numbers game. When a majority is formed at the United Nations, Kosova will be able to gain a UN seat with a majority vote, just like Vietnam did in the past.

Some of the countries that are bound to recognize in the coming weeks: Macedonia, Montenegro, Saudia Arabia, Bahrain, Malta, and possibly Portugal and Brazil, amongst others. Are these insignificant to you? They probably are (some Serbs believe that whatever doesn't support them isn't important), but they are significant to us and the rest of the world.

But the saddest part is that according to some Serbs no country on its own can legitimately support the desire for freedom and self-dtermination of the Kosovars, which have longed to break from Serbian rule for centuries. These states have recognized of their own volition, because Serbia made a grave mistake of its mistreatment and ethnic cleansing of the Kosovars.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

In the article it said:

"I am sure that it will be guided by our country’s national and state interests and the disposition of the majority of EU and NATO member-states"

I get so upset when I read such words by a coward. Guided by our interests.... Guided by what other countries thinks....

Why not simply say: "Our decision will be guided by what is right, and what is wrong! And if that upsets someone - well, tough luck!"

But I guess that is why I am not president of any country...

Mike

pre 15 godina

So Kosovo's latest sipahi is boasting of another wave of recognitions, while the article only talks about Macedonia, and even here in ambiguous terms.

We read last week of the failure of Kosovo's lobbying efforts to secure further recogntions than the major states of Europe with some outside exceptions, and we also read of the sobering realities of the money raised at last week's canned food drive for Kosovo that most of that money will either go to pay off debts or line the pockets of Thaci and Sejdiu supporters. How this man can still put a smiley face on all of this with such hubris either attests to some unsavory backroom dealings in order to put the "newest borned state" on more maps, or that he truly is an amateur paper pusher who's been sent to Pristina because it's far from Brussels - sort of like what the Romans used to do with their more mediocre administrators.

Macedonia will probably recognize, but I see little incentive for Montenegro (since 75% of their population is Serb) and Greece (don't know where some of our Albanians friends are getting that idea from).

The only way I can possibly see a wave of recognitions is only if it comes after definitive negotiations with Belgrade are secured - negotiations in which K Serbs are given separate political institutions from Pristina. Serbia may not be able to stop the recognitions, but it can certainly slow them up, cast doubt, and prolong the needed international support for this little statelet. During that time, Serb institutions will simply solidify into political components of their own. However it turns out, further recognitions will mean little in the way of actual effective sovereignty in Kosovo Province.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

that will be a killer-tsunami, of course... :)


this is only caressing the albanian soul, in order to keep them quiet. oh wait, maybe Andorra will "recognize" that toy-"republjik", or Liechtenstein... , anyway, thanks Mr.Feith, for making me smile again!

Lenard

pre 15 godina

First Feith of EULEX flogged a dying horse now that it is dead they are trying to prop it up and drag it pretending no its not dead. Now that a swarm of flies have gathered on the dead carcass Pieter Feith of Brussels EULEX sees some imaginary movement. When will the western Balkan countrys reallies Brussels plays them for fools. Tells them right out bold face lies to them. Plays manipulation games plays one off the other the truth is not relative or in the hearer what he wants to hear. Listen very carefully to what the Brussels hypocrites talking heads are saying. They don't practice truth they don't even know what it is or the meaning of it. They only know of cauersion ,lies ,manipulations ,empty meaningless promises treaties ,double talk they don't know the truth even if it bitted them in the ass. They are the same powers that exploited ,subjected ,robed used ,enslaved etc ,played cruel games on the Balkans for centuries. Now their benevolent to the western Balkans I don't think so just look at the reality. Can a wolf change its nature. It is the same old game divide conquer control and subjugate now that they have a front to hide behind Brussels. Disguise their their age old bold face aggressions and unlawful domination how long before Europe is plunged in to total war and the world in my opinion it will not be to long away.

Bad Gorilla

pre 15 godina

I think at least four countries outside Europe should recognize Kosovo: East Timor, Bangladesh, Mongolia and Uruguay — all of them have national histories similar to the history of Kosovo.

ZK UK

pre 15 godina

This guy again is attempting to give himself some importance. If there is a next wave then you can expect some of the smaller countries caving in to US and EU pressure. There is nothing surprising here and it still doesn't change the situation on the ground.

The simple fact is that independence is irreversibly blocked at the UN by both Russia and China so all other developments are just minor and predictable adjustments.

tatiana stojkovic

pre 15 godina

feith has really strong faith huh. well recognitions had a very long drought so lets see which countries have been bullied again by US. Iran and north korea maybe a big surprise!!!

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Jeton, Feith doesn't need to shut up. I welcome his comments. As a representative of the international forces in Kosova, he has a legitimate voice in such matters.

Anyway, it's nice to see that B92 is reporting the bomb that has been dropped: Macedonia's president has alluded to his country's official recognition of Kosova's independence. The Montenegrins have primed the Serbs for the same thing last month, and now the Macedonians are doing it. Their mutual recognitions will follow very soon. And when they do, Serbia will be the only one of Kosova's neighbors to have not recognized and accepted the reality. It usually takes them a decade or so.

italy

pre 15 godina

This man is not working for Eulex, but for Thaci's government. As far as I have read about him in the media, he has disclosed himself in less than a couple of months very badly on this mission, that Europe unfortunately even pays from our taxes. I hope someone from Brussels reads these comments: I am asking for urgent investigation on the case Feith to double-check if he is not receiving under table money from Pristina's governemt as well.

Jetoni, US

pre 15 godina

This character needs to shut up already - he sounds like the likes of Kostunica and Ceku. If recognitions are about to come, let them come - you don't need to provide a drum roll for them. Lose the parrot tendencies and get back to work.

Doni

pre 15 godina

"Meanwhile, Macedonian President Branko Crvenkovski said yesterday that the new government would take a decision on recognizing Kosovo at one of its first sessions."

This sentence says it all, Macedonia is with us, and Montenegro too. Greece is next...and it should recognize ethnic Albanian minorities as well from Chameria, and allow their return in their birthplaces, and give back stolen properties.

village-bey

pre 15 godina

“At a press conference with Albanian President Bamir Topi in Drač”
Dear B92, surely you meant Durrës, the seaside port on the Albania coast. The English version of B92 should at least include the international recognised toponym of the ancient town. Thus, Durazzo would have been more appropriate and neutral. The use of the Serbian version of the town presupposes that people are familiar with the Serbian language, which in itself does not make sense, as it is the lack of Serbian that has forced many of us to comment here regularly.
The use Drač might have had an international audience in 1913 when Serbian armies ransacked the town of many archaeological finds and treasures, but that is hardly the case now. We have a new state in the Balkans and Albania does not even share a border with Serbia anymore.

BKK

pre 15 godina

Oh right, new wave, because last wave was really a killer. Collonies and countries noone ever heard of, and in most cases those countries never heard of Kosovo or Serbia.

Who exactly does this Feith (which by the way, noone knows who the hell he is) think he is going to bully? Islamic states? China? India? Russia?

And what is this boo-ha about Macedonia?
This and ''new wave of recognition, isolation bla bla bla'' is a typical example of psychological warefare and scare mongoring.

Who CARES if Macedonia recongizes? Half of Macedonian population is Albanian anyway. They not only can't control their Albanian population but they can't agree a name for their country.
Politicians in Macedonia are more concerned with being allowed to have a name for their country and being part of NATO then international law.

This phycological intimidation and bullying of Serbs is not even subtle anymore. Frankly its getting tiresome as well.
Its not even creative anymore.

BKK

pre 15 godina

Oh right, new wave, because last wave was really a killer. Collonies and countries noone ever heard of, and in most cases those countries never heard of Kosovo or Serbia.

Who exactly does this Feith (which by the way, noone knows who the hell he is) think he is going to bully? Islamic states? China? India? Russia?

And what is this boo-ha about Macedonia?
This and ''new wave of recognition, isolation bla bla bla'' is a typical example of psychological warefare and scare mongoring.

Who CARES if Macedonia recongizes? Half of Macedonian population is Albanian anyway. They not only can't control their Albanian population but they can't agree a name for their country.
Politicians in Macedonia are more concerned with being allowed to have a name for their country and being part of NATO then international law.

This phycological intimidation and bullying of Serbs is not even subtle anymore. Frankly its getting tiresome as well.
Its not even creative anymore.

village-bey

pre 15 godina

“At a press conference with Albanian President Bamir Topi in Drač”
Dear B92, surely you meant Durrës, the seaside port on the Albania coast. The English version of B92 should at least include the international recognised toponym of the ancient town. Thus, Durazzo would have been more appropriate and neutral. The use of the Serbian version of the town presupposes that people are familiar with the Serbian language, which in itself does not make sense, as it is the lack of Serbian that has forced many of us to comment here regularly.
The use Drač might have had an international audience in 1913 when Serbian armies ransacked the town of many archaeological finds and treasures, but that is hardly the case now. We have a new state in the Balkans and Albania does not even share a border with Serbia anymore.

Lenard

pre 15 godina

First Feith of EULEX flogged a dying horse now that it is dead they are trying to prop it up and drag it pretending no its not dead. Now that a swarm of flies have gathered on the dead carcass Pieter Feith of Brussels EULEX sees some imaginary movement. When will the western Balkan countrys reallies Brussels plays them for fools. Tells them right out bold face lies to them. Plays manipulation games plays one off the other the truth is not relative or in the hearer what he wants to hear. Listen very carefully to what the Brussels hypocrites talking heads are saying. They don't practice truth they don't even know what it is or the meaning of it. They only know of cauersion ,lies ,manipulations ,empty meaningless promises treaties ,double talk they don't know the truth even if it bitted them in the ass. They are the same powers that exploited ,subjected ,robed used ,enslaved etc ,played cruel games on the Balkans for centuries. Now their benevolent to the western Balkans I don't think so just look at the reality. Can a wolf change its nature. It is the same old game divide conquer control and subjugate now that they have a front to hide behind Brussels. Disguise their their age old bold face aggressions and unlawful domination how long before Europe is plunged in to total war and the world in my opinion it will not be to long away.

italy

pre 15 godina

This man is not working for Eulex, but for Thaci's government. As far as I have read about him in the media, he has disclosed himself in less than a couple of months very badly on this mission, that Europe unfortunately even pays from our taxes. I hope someone from Brussels reads these comments: I am asking for urgent investigation on the case Feith to double-check if he is not receiving under table money from Pristina's governemt as well.

ZK UK

pre 15 godina

This guy again is attempting to give himself some importance. If there is a next wave then you can expect some of the smaller countries caving in to US and EU pressure. There is nothing surprising here and it still doesn't change the situation on the ground.

The simple fact is that independence is irreversibly blocked at the UN by both Russia and China so all other developments are just minor and predictable adjustments.

Doni

pre 15 godina

"Meanwhile, Macedonian President Branko Crvenkovski said yesterday that the new government would take a decision on recognizing Kosovo at one of its first sessions."

This sentence says it all, Macedonia is with us, and Montenegro too. Greece is next...and it should recognize ethnic Albanian minorities as well from Chameria, and allow their return in their birthplaces, and give back stolen properties.

tatiana stojkovic

pre 15 godina

feith has really strong faith huh. well recognitions had a very long drought so lets see which countries have been bullied again by US. Iran and north korea maybe a big surprise!!!

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Jeton, Feith doesn't need to shut up. I welcome his comments. As a representative of the international forces in Kosova, he has a legitimate voice in such matters.

Anyway, it's nice to see that B92 is reporting the bomb that has been dropped: Macedonia's president has alluded to his country's official recognition of Kosova's independence. The Montenegrins have primed the Serbs for the same thing last month, and now the Macedonians are doing it. Their mutual recognitions will follow very soon. And when they do, Serbia will be the only one of Kosova's neighbors to have not recognized and accepted the reality. It usually takes them a decade or so.

Mike

pre 15 godina

So Kosovo's latest sipahi is boasting of another wave of recognitions, while the article only talks about Macedonia, and even here in ambiguous terms.

We read last week of the failure of Kosovo's lobbying efforts to secure further recogntions than the major states of Europe with some outside exceptions, and we also read of the sobering realities of the money raised at last week's canned food drive for Kosovo that most of that money will either go to pay off debts or line the pockets of Thaci and Sejdiu supporters. How this man can still put a smiley face on all of this with such hubris either attests to some unsavory backroom dealings in order to put the "newest borned state" on more maps, or that he truly is an amateur paper pusher who's been sent to Pristina because it's far from Brussels - sort of like what the Romans used to do with their more mediocre administrators.

Macedonia will probably recognize, but I see little incentive for Montenegro (since 75% of their population is Serb) and Greece (don't know where some of our Albanians friends are getting that idea from).

The only way I can possibly see a wave of recognitions is only if it comes after definitive negotiations with Belgrade are secured - negotiations in which K Serbs are given separate political institutions from Pristina. Serbia may not be able to stop the recognitions, but it can certainly slow them up, cast doubt, and prolong the needed international support for this little statelet. During that time, Serb institutions will simply solidify into political components of their own. However it turns out, further recognitions will mean little in the way of actual effective sovereignty in Kosovo Province.

Nikitas

pre 15 godina

Lol...... some people just read what they wish to be written and not what actually is written.

@Doni
""Meanwhile, Macedonian President Branko Crvenkovski said yesterday that the new government would take a decision on recognizing Kosovo at one of its first sessions."

This sentence says it all, Macedonia is with us"

Although we all know that FYROM is about to recognise Kossovo, it is funny that you interprete the phrase "would take a desicion" as "we are recognising". Taking a desicion means "we decide" this side or the other side. It doesnt mean "we have already decided".
It is so simple and so.... stone age basic reading and comprehending a simple phrase. I wonder how can you people make such mistakes. Again I say, this is despite we already know the outcome, which is irrelevant.

Now the other little thing:
"Greece is next...and it should recognize ethnic Albanian minorities as well from Chameria, and allow their return in their birthplaces, and give back stolen properties."

Which parallel universe do you reside in, I wonder....
But I would appreciate it if you inform me about it, because it really sounds.... dreamy :)

Jovan

pre 15 godina

that will be a killer-tsunami, of course... :)


this is only caressing the albanian soul, in order to keep them quiet. oh wait, maybe Andorra will "recognize" that toy-"republjik", or Liechtenstein... , anyway, thanks Mr.Feith, for making me smile again!

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

In the article it said:

"I am sure that it will be guided by our country’s national and state interests and the disposition of the majority of EU and NATO member-states"

I get so upset when I read such words by a coward. Guided by our interests.... Guided by what other countries thinks....

Why not simply say: "Our decision will be guided by what is right, and what is wrong! And if that upsets someone - well, tough luck!"

But I guess that is why I am not president of any country...

Mike

pre 15 godina

USA Albanian,

Hmmm, you may be right about the error in demographic percentage. Going on to Wikipedia for a quick fact check, I found the following breakdown:

Serbs: 31.99
Montengerins (who are Serbs in every cultural sense of the word): 43.16

So adding the two together we get 75.15% not the 75% I originally wrote.

Apologies for the error, and thank you for pointing that out.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

ZK UK: I find it funny reading your change in rhetoric. First it was "Nobody will recognize the country" to recognitions which proved you wrong, forcing you to change your story to "From now on nobody ELSE will recognize the country." Now that it's apparent that more recognitions will take place, you again change your tune to "Even if others recognize this country, it will be because they were "bullied" by the US and EU, and they won't matter anyway!"

Well, the fact remains that Kosova has the strongest, most powerful, most important countries supporting it, and from now on its a numbers game. When a majority is formed at the United Nations, Kosova will be able to gain a UN seat with a majority vote, just like Vietnam did in the past.

Some of the countries that are bound to recognize in the coming weeks: Macedonia, Montenegro, Saudia Arabia, Bahrain, Malta, and possibly Portugal and Brazil, amongst others. Are these insignificant to you? They probably are (some Serbs believe that whatever doesn't support them isn't important), but they are significant to us and the rest of the world.

But the saddest part is that according to some Serbs no country on its own can legitimately support the desire for freedom and self-dtermination of the Kosovars, which have longed to break from Serbian rule for centuries. These states have recognized of their own volition, because Serbia made a grave mistake of its mistreatment and ethnic cleansing of the Kosovars.

Bad Gorilla

pre 15 godina

I think at least four countries outside Europe should recognize Kosovo: East Timor, Bangladesh, Mongolia and Uruguay — all of them have national histories similar to the history of Kosovo.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

village-bey, don't get your knickers in a knot now over how the name of a town is written. You guys have been distorting the name of Kosovo forever and it doesn't seem to bother you.

Now, about Macedonian recognition. Of course it will happen. The same speel was used by Djukanovic. I thought I was reading his speech here.

Like I said before, just get on with the recognition and we can get back to normal.
It isn't going to make any difference in the UNSC anyway. Now if Russia or China were to say they might do this, I would be concerned. Macedonia and Montenegro will make absolutely no difference at to the situation. It's only symbolic and to appease their Albanian population.
If I was a politician in Macedonia of Montenegro I would be embarrassed to even make such a silly speech, when we all know they WILL recognize Kosovo.

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

See that the court jester has been amusing the yokels - good to see.. keeps them out of mischief.

On a more serious note, looks like Macedonian president is setting the stage for recognition of 'pseudo-state'.

While I can understand the pressures being applied to do so, cannot see how it will benefit ethnic 'macedonians' in the long term.

Given current population demographics, current FYROM is doomed - is only a matter of time. And when that happens - at a time when they need them most, they will find themselves with very few 'friends' in the region.

Now were did I put those wading boots...

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Dashnori i Satam said

United States will be prepared to employ military force against the Serbians in Kosovo and in Serbia proper.''

That can not be farther from the truth. There is no chance no chance that the USA will attack Serbia even if Serbia and Albanians started another conflict. The US public is already fed up with Iraq and they would go crazy if the US got involved in another war. This would be a bad time for Albanians to think they have an army backing them up.

Jetoni, US

pre 15 godina

This character needs to shut up already - he sounds like the likes of Kostunica and Ceku. If recognitions are about to come, let them come - you don't need to provide a drum roll for them. Lose the parrot tendencies and get back to work.

USA Albanian

pre 15 godina

Mike,

In your post #10 you made the statement that "Macedonia will probably recognize, but I see little incentive for Montenegro (since 75% of their population is Serb) and Greece (don't know where some of our Albanians friends are getting that idea from)."

I was wondering is that 75% statistic from before Montenegro declared independence or after? In either case I would have to say that those Serbs living in Montenegro are not very patriotic. Or, as I might suspect, the standard of living in Serbia is rather low for them to move. I visited Montenegro recently and found the standard of living there to be surprisingly lower than I expected. You can draw your own conclusions from my implication!

Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Alright, so Feith is a nobody that has claimed some crazy recognition wave.

How about Rice claiming the same thing? Is Rice a nobody too?

And who would you consider a somebody? Putin?

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Dashnori & Satam. I'm sure that the FYROMS are so excited at the prospect of joining Albania and making that a great country.

Thanks for pointing that out to them. Now they will be even happier when their government recognizes Kosovo.

And this bit about Rice being influential and therefore important in the independence of Kosovo, I tell you that they are in the dying stages of their rule. The administration is finished. They have only a few more months to make silly promises.
How important is a government when they are not going to be around in a few months time?
They did all the damage they could've. They have run out of time.

Dashnori i Satam

pre 15 godina

"And when that happens - at a time when they need them most, they will find themselves with very few 'friends' in the region. "

Like Serbia or Greece are their friends now. When Albanians make the majority (in 20-30 years,) FYROM will join Albania and Kosova in a loose confederation and all the rights of the Slavs will be guaranteed, something Greece or Serbia is not known for.

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

(Mike, 19 July 2008 15:38)

Your sarcastic attempts to tell us that all Montenegrins are Serbs, are proving that you've spent way too much time with wrong people in Belgrade.
Are you competing for Last Comic Standing?
You should.

Jetoni, US

pre 15 godina

Mr. Mark (Shqype);

I am not against more countries recognizing the independence of Kosova (I sure would hope that from my name alone, one can deduce my stand on the issue :-) ). I am merely sick and tired of this guy just spewing speeches about circumstances that he has absolutely not control over - undermines his credibility and makes him sound like a clown. I am a firm believer in doing, not talking (actions speak louder than words). Hope that clarified things a bit.

On the other hand – as you pointed out – interesting developments continue with neighboring Macedonia and Montenegro. Waiting to see what comes out in the following days.

Good day.
--Jetoni

Dashnori i Satam

pre 15 godina

"How important is a government when they are not going to be around in a few months time?"

My nick is Dashnori i Satam but close enough. Second: Apparently you don't know how US works. The policies are not changed every time a President is elected. For example the Balkans one stretches since Bush Sr who in 1992 delivered the Christmas warning to Slobo: ''In the event of conflict in Kosovo caused by Serbian action, the United States will be prepared to employ military force against the Serbians in Kosovo and in Serbia proper.''

Doni

pre 15 godina

"Meanwhile, Macedonian President Branko Crvenkovski said yesterday that the new government would take a decision on recognizing Kosovo at one of its first sessions."

This sentence says it all, Macedonia is with us, and Montenegro too. Greece is next...and it should recognize ethnic Albanian minorities as well from Chameria, and allow their return in their birthplaces, and give back stolen properties.

village-bey

pre 15 godina

“At a press conference with Albanian President Bamir Topi in Drač”
Dear B92, surely you meant Durrës, the seaside port on the Albania coast. The English version of B92 should at least include the international recognised toponym of the ancient town. Thus, Durazzo would have been more appropriate and neutral. The use of the Serbian version of the town presupposes that people are familiar with the Serbian language, which in itself does not make sense, as it is the lack of Serbian that has forced many of us to comment here regularly.
The use Drač might have had an international audience in 1913 when Serbian armies ransacked the town of many archaeological finds and treasures, but that is hardly the case now. We have a new state in the Balkans and Albania does not even share a border with Serbia anymore.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Jeton, Feith doesn't need to shut up. I welcome his comments. As a representative of the international forces in Kosova, he has a legitimate voice in such matters.

Anyway, it's nice to see that B92 is reporting the bomb that has been dropped: Macedonia's president has alluded to his country's official recognition of Kosova's independence. The Montenegrins have primed the Serbs for the same thing last month, and now the Macedonians are doing it. Their mutual recognitions will follow very soon. And when they do, Serbia will be the only one of Kosova's neighbors to have not recognized and accepted the reality. It usually takes them a decade or so.

Nikitas

pre 15 godina

Lol...... some people just read what they wish to be written and not what actually is written.

@Doni
""Meanwhile, Macedonian President Branko Crvenkovski said yesterday that the new government would take a decision on recognizing Kosovo at one of its first sessions."

This sentence says it all, Macedonia is with us"

Although we all know that FYROM is about to recognise Kossovo, it is funny that you interprete the phrase "would take a desicion" as "we are recognising". Taking a desicion means "we decide" this side or the other side. It doesnt mean "we have already decided".
It is so simple and so.... stone age basic reading and comprehending a simple phrase. I wonder how can you people make such mistakes. Again I say, this is despite we already know the outcome, which is irrelevant.

Now the other little thing:
"Greece is next...and it should recognize ethnic Albanian minorities as well from Chameria, and allow their return in their birthplaces, and give back stolen properties."

Which parallel universe do you reside in, I wonder....
But I would appreciate it if you inform me about it, because it really sounds.... dreamy :)

italy

pre 15 godina

This man is not working for Eulex, but for Thaci's government. As far as I have read about him in the media, he has disclosed himself in less than a couple of months very badly on this mission, that Europe unfortunately even pays from our taxes. I hope someone from Brussels reads these comments: I am asking for urgent investigation on the case Feith to double-check if he is not receiving under table money from Pristina's governemt as well.

tatiana stojkovic

pre 15 godina

feith has really strong faith huh. well recognitions had a very long drought so lets see which countries have been bullied again by US. Iran and north korea maybe a big surprise!!!

ZK UK

pre 15 godina

This guy again is attempting to give himself some importance. If there is a next wave then you can expect some of the smaller countries caving in to US and EU pressure. There is nothing surprising here and it still doesn't change the situation on the ground.

The simple fact is that independence is irreversibly blocked at the UN by both Russia and China so all other developments are just minor and predictable adjustments.

Bad Gorilla

pre 15 godina

I think at least four countries outside Europe should recognize Kosovo: East Timor, Bangladesh, Mongolia and Uruguay — all of them have national histories similar to the history of Kosovo.

Mike

pre 15 godina

So Kosovo's latest sipahi is boasting of another wave of recognitions, while the article only talks about Macedonia, and even here in ambiguous terms.

We read last week of the failure of Kosovo's lobbying efforts to secure further recogntions than the major states of Europe with some outside exceptions, and we also read of the sobering realities of the money raised at last week's canned food drive for Kosovo that most of that money will either go to pay off debts or line the pockets of Thaci and Sejdiu supporters. How this man can still put a smiley face on all of this with such hubris either attests to some unsavory backroom dealings in order to put the "newest borned state" on more maps, or that he truly is an amateur paper pusher who's been sent to Pristina because it's far from Brussels - sort of like what the Romans used to do with their more mediocre administrators.

Macedonia will probably recognize, but I see little incentive for Montenegro (since 75% of their population is Serb) and Greece (don't know where some of our Albanians friends are getting that idea from).

The only way I can possibly see a wave of recognitions is only if it comes after definitive negotiations with Belgrade are secured - negotiations in which K Serbs are given separate political institutions from Pristina. Serbia may not be able to stop the recognitions, but it can certainly slow them up, cast doubt, and prolong the needed international support for this little statelet. During that time, Serb institutions will simply solidify into political components of their own. However it turns out, further recognitions will mean little in the way of actual effective sovereignty in Kosovo Province.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

that will be a killer-tsunami, of course... :)


this is only caressing the albanian soul, in order to keep them quiet. oh wait, maybe Andorra will "recognize" that toy-"republjik", or Liechtenstein... , anyway, thanks Mr.Feith, for making me smile again!

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

In the article it said:

"I am sure that it will be guided by our country’s national and state interests and the disposition of the majority of EU and NATO member-states"

I get so upset when I read such words by a coward. Guided by our interests.... Guided by what other countries thinks....

Why not simply say: "Our decision will be guided by what is right, and what is wrong! And if that upsets someone - well, tough luck!"

But I guess that is why I am not president of any country...

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

ZK UK: I find it funny reading your change in rhetoric. First it was "Nobody will recognize the country" to recognitions which proved you wrong, forcing you to change your story to "From now on nobody ELSE will recognize the country." Now that it's apparent that more recognitions will take place, you again change your tune to "Even if others recognize this country, it will be because they were "bullied" by the US and EU, and they won't matter anyway!"

Well, the fact remains that Kosova has the strongest, most powerful, most important countries supporting it, and from now on its a numbers game. When a majority is formed at the United Nations, Kosova will be able to gain a UN seat with a majority vote, just like Vietnam did in the past.

Some of the countries that are bound to recognize in the coming weeks: Macedonia, Montenegro, Saudia Arabia, Bahrain, Malta, and possibly Portugal and Brazil, amongst others. Are these insignificant to you? They probably are (some Serbs believe that whatever doesn't support them isn't important), but they are significant to us and the rest of the world.

But the saddest part is that according to some Serbs no country on its own can legitimately support the desire for freedom and self-dtermination of the Kosovars, which have longed to break from Serbian rule for centuries. These states have recognized of their own volition, because Serbia made a grave mistake of its mistreatment and ethnic cleansing of the Kosovars.

BKK

pre 15 godina

Oh right, new wave, because last wave was really a killer. Collonies and countries noone ever heard of, and in most cases those countries never heard of Kosovo or Serbia.

Who exactly does this Feith (which by the way, noone knows who the hell he is) think he is going to bully? Islamic states? China? India? Russia?

And what is this boo-ha about Macedonia?
This and ''new wave of recognition, isolation bla bla bla'' is a typical example of psychological warefare and scare mongoring.

Who CARES if Macedonia recongizes? Half of Macedonian population is Albanian anyway. They not only can't control their Albanian population but they can't agree a name for their country.
Politicians in Macedonia are more concerned with being allowed to have a name for their country and being part of NATO then international law.

This phycological intimidation and bullying of Serbs is not even subtle anymore. Frankly its getting tiresome as well.
Its not even creative anymore.

Lenard

pre 15 godina

First Feith of EULEX flogged a dying horse now that it is dead they are trying to prop it up and drag it pretending no its not dead. Now that a swarm of flies have gathered on the dead carcass Pieter Feith of Brussels EULEX sees some imaginary movement. When will the western Balkan countrys reallies Brussels plays them for fools. Tells them right out bold face lies to them. Plays manipulation games plays one off the other the truth is not relative or in the hearer what he wants to hear. Listen very carefully to what the Brussels hypocrites talking heads are saying. They don't practice truth they don't even know what it is or the meaning of it. They only know of cauersion ,lies ,manipulations ,empty meaningless promises treaties ,double talk they don't know the truth even if it bitted them in the ass. They are the same powers that exploited ,subjected ,robed used ,enslaved etc ,played cruel games on the Balkans for centuries. Now their benevolent to the western Balkans I don't think so just look at the reality. Can a wolf change its nature. It is the same old game divide conquer control and subjugate now that they have a front to hide behind Brussels. Disguise their their age old bold face aggressions and unlawful domination how long before Europe is plunged in to total war and the world in my opinion it will not be to long away.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

village-bey, don't get your knickers in a knot now over how the name of a town is written. You guys have been distorting the name of Kosovo forever and it doesn't seem to bother you.

Now, about Macedonian recognition. Of course it will happen. The same speel was used by Djukanovic. I thought I was reading his speech here.

Like I said before, just get on with the recognition and we can get back to normal.
It isn't going to make any difference in the UNSC anyway. Now if Russia or China were to say they might do this, I would be concerned. Macedonia and Montenegro will make absolutely no difference at to the situation. It's only symbolic and to appease their Albanian population.
If I was a politician in Macedonia of Montenegro I would be embarrassed to even make such a silly speech, when we all know they WILL recognize Kosovo.

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

See that the court jester has been amusing the yokels - good to see.. keeps them out of mischief.

On a more serious note, looks like Macedonian president is setting the stage for recognition of 'pseudo-state'.

While I can understand the pressures being applied to do so, cannot see how it will benefit ethnic 'macedonians' in the long term.

Given current population demographics, current FYROM is doomed - is only a matter of time. And when that happens - at a time when they need them most, they will find themselves with very few 'friends' in the region.

Now were did I put those wading boots...

Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Alright, so Feith is a nobody that has claimed some crazy recognition wave.

How about Rice claiming the same thing? Is Rice a nobody too?

And who would you consider a somebody? Putin?

Mike

pre 15 godina

USA Albanian,

Hmmm, you may be right about the error in demographic percentage. Going on to Wikipedia for a quick fact check, I found the following breakdown:

Serbs: 31.99
Montengerins (who are Serbs in every cultural sense of the word): 43.16

So adding the two together we get 75.15% not the 75% I originally wrote.

Apologies for the error, and thank you for pointing that out.

Dashnori i Satam

pre 15 godina

"How important is a government when they are not going to be around in a few months time?"

My nick is Dashnori i Satam but close enough. Second: Apparently you don't know how US works. The policies are not changed every time a President is elected. For example the Balkans one stretches since Bush Sr who in 1992 delivered the Christmas warning to Slobo: ''In the event of conflict in Kosovo caused by Serbian action, the United States will be prepared to employ military force against the Serbians in Kosovo and in Serbia proper.''

Jetoni, US

pre 15 godina

This character needs to shut up already - he sounds like the likes of Kostunica and Ceku. If recognitions are about to come, let them come - you don't need to provide a drum roll for them. Lose the parrot tendencies and get back to work.

Jetoni, US

pre 15 godina

Mr. Mark (Shqype);

I am not against more countries recognizing the independence of Kosova (I sure would hope that from my name alone, one can deduce my stand on the issue :-) ). I am merely sick and tired of this guy just spewing speeches about circumstances that he has absolutely not control over - undermines his credibility and makes him sound like a clown. I am a firm believer in doing, not talking (actions speak louder than words). Hope that clarified things a bit.

On the other hand – as you pointed out – interesting developments continue with neighboring Macedonia and Montenegro. Waiting to see what comes out in the following days.

Good day.
--Jetoni

USA Albanian

pre 15 godina

Mike,

In your post #10 you made the statement that "Macedonia will probably recognize, but I see little incentive for Montenegro (since 75% of their population is Serb) and Greece (don't know where some of our Albanians friends are getting that idea from)."

I was wondering is that 75% statistic from before Montenegro declared independence or after? In either case I would have to say that those Serbs living in Montenegro are not very patriotic. Or, as I might suspect, the standard of living in Serbia is rather low for them to move. I visited Montenegro recently and found the standard of living there to be surprisingly lower than I expected. You can draw your own conclusions from my implication!

Dashnori i Satam

pre 15 godina

"And when that happens - at a time when they need them most, they will find themselves with very few 'friends' in the region. "

Like Serbia or Greece are their friends now. When Albanians make the majority (in 20-30 years,) FYROM will join Albania and Kosova in a loose confederation and all the rights of the Slavs will be guaranteed, something Greece or Serbia is not known for.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Dashnori & Satam. I'm sure that the FYROMS are so excited at the prospect of joining Albania and making that a great country.

Thanks for pointing that out to them. Now they will be even happier when their government recognizes Kosovo.

And this bit about Rice being influential and therefore important in the independence of Kosovo, I tell you that they are in the dying stages of their rule. The administration is finished. They have only a few more months to make silly promises.
How important is a government when they are not going to be around in a few months time?
They did all the damage they could've. They have run out of time.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Dashnori i Satam said

United States will be prepared to employ military force against the Serbians in Kosovo and in Serbia proper.''

That can not be farther from the truth. There is no chance no chance that the USA will attack Serbia even if Serbia and Albanians started another conflict. The US public is already fed up with Iraq and they would go crazy if the US got involved in another war. This would be a bad time for Albanians to think they have an army backing them up.

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

(Mike, 19 July 2008 15:38)

Your sarcastic attempts to tell us that all Montenegrins are Serbs, are proving that you've spent way too much time with wrong people in Belgrade.
Are you competing for Last Comic Standing?
You should.