SPS delegation visits Milošević grave

"Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave."

Hitler doesn't have a grave, so what you have written makes no sense.

"Milosevic is responsible for destroying Yugoslavia, one of the most developed nations in Eastern Europe, and launched a vicious campaign to create a greater serbia by murdering non-serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova."

Spare us the amateur historian. I suppose Gavrilo Princip is also responsible for World War I?

You comprehension of geography is also pitiful. The Balkans is in south-east europe and is not comparable to the other countries of eastern europe who were in the Soviet Union whilst the SFRY was not.

As for the rest, you conveniently ignore what does not suit your facile view, namely the help of Germany et al, the rise of the neo-Ustase in Croatia who gloried in their slaughter of 700,000 serbs, jews and gyspsies during World War II and have never apologized for this, a moslem fundamentalist in Sarajevo who chose war over peace for an islamic entity covering the whole of the former SFRY, and a restive population in south serbia that spent the 1970s and 1980s persecuting anyone who was not of their ethnicity.

Still, I suppose people still need their simple myths. It all started with Milosevic of course. Life was 'perfect' and 'wonderful' before.

Adrian Kola: "Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave."

While certainly not being a Milosevic fan, putting him on the same level as Hitler is extremely ill-informed.

There were millions who suffered in the wars of the former Yugoslavia, including many Serbs. Your summary is extremely simplistic.

One side alone cannot be blamed and neither can the role of the international community be overlooked.

Adrian

Let the guy rest in peace instead of repeating your nonsense propaganda like an ignorant puppet. The Milosevic trial had only two choices, either guilty or death - and since they couldn't prove his guilt they had one other choice.

It's interesting how some people expect respect for Zoran Đinđić but think it's ok to criticise Milosevic.

If you are looking for links to Hitler, you should instead investigate the Bush family. Hint: Start with Prescott Bush - the grandfather of the current president.

“Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave.”

Adrian,

I suggest you get used to it, SPS is now the darling of the West and is “reformed”, ha ha hah ha…

On a serious note, how can you compare the crimes of the two of them?

Hitler was one of the most evil persons to have existed throughout history and slaughtered a population that posed no threat to him and consisted of innocent civilians. What the Germans did to the Jews and Serbs was very different than the fighting between Serbs and Bosniaks. You’re seriously insulting the memory of the many Jews and Serbs who lost their lives to the Nazi’s.

If SPS is as bad as the Nazi’s, why does the West welcome SPS with open arms?

Milosevic is no different than any number of petty dictators and war mongers that exist in the world today. Bush’s little war in Iraq has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not a million completely innocent civilians.

If you knew the history of the region, and experienced Tudjman’s revival of the Ustashe and their symbols, you would have picked up a gun to protect your family too.

My family comes from the region near Jasenovac, WWII wiped out my grandfather’s generation in the most horrid fashion. Did you really expect Serbs to lay down like sheep for slaughter? Go read some of Tudjman’s books and then read what happened in WWII.

I’m truly sorry for the crimes committed by the gangsters from Belgrade, but your average Serbian peasant was fighting to protect their home and their family.

Kate/Roger


Obvioulsy you have compeltely misunderstood my comment and seeing how you have based your counter arguments, maybe you did deliberately so.
I did not intend to give you a lesson on history and I most certainly do not need a history lecture from you. It's a basic and wide accepted fact that Milosevic was a vicious leader and dictator and he did destroyed Yugoslavia.
I know that Hitler hasn't got a grave, but thanks for pointing that out to me Roger. My comparison was merely an analogy between the Neo Nazis and the so called New Generation of Serbian socialists: they are the same thing, or at least the same to the people who suffered under their leadership.

I agree with ZK UK that maybe we should let Milosevic rest in his grave, but unfortunately it seems like some people clearly aren't ready to do so.

As a Kosovan I have great sympathy for Serbia and respect their people, but I detest their politicians with all of my heart.

"committing the worst crimes after the WWII in the name of Serbia."

So Rwanda was a picnic? Get real Olf, the world is a terrible place for the majority of people living on it.

I guess some things never really change or will never ever change in serbia. Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave. Milosevic is responsible for destroying Yugoslavia, one of the most developed nations in Eastern Europe, and launched a vicious campaign to create a greater serbia by murdering non-serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova. And yet, sadly, there are still people in serbia who pay visits to his grave and mourn his death. A disgrace.

Adrian

The way I see it is that if Slobo was as bad as you make him sound you wouldn't be alive today to post your comment.
We were monitoring the events in 1998-99, it wouldn't have been difficult for 100,000 people to be executed. But that didn't happen. The whole former Yugoslavia conflict was a civil war (with international backers sending weapons to any group that was trying to rip the country apart.) It was a civil guerilla war. The worst kind of war there is. Next one will be in Macedonia with the Albanians there vs the Macedonaians. I suppose you'll blame Slobo for that one as well.

Roberty from Frisco,
I think I can speak for most Serbs here when I tell you that we are tired of your ludicrous rants.
How dare you compare Milosevic to Hitler?? How DARE you?
Slobo was not even a nationalist, he was a commie who betrayed Serbs in Bosnia and Krajina to try to bargain with the immoral West.
As a Jew, you should know very well that Serbia is the only place in the Balkans where Jews were never, yes NEVER persecuted. Do some research. Your beloved albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims can certainly not say the same thing. In fact, since the KLA organ traffickers took over running Kosovo, there are no more Jews in Kosovo.
You should be ashamed for making such comparisons. Think before you speak. Your president, and Clinton before him, are responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the entire Serbian population in Krajina, and for the ethnic cleansing of almost all Serbs from Kosovo. You should be petitioning to send them to the Hague, if you were a true 'humanitarian'. You are not fooling anyone with your one sided views.
Cheers!

Adrian, why are you blaming others for your inability to put to screen what you mean?

There is no 'analogy' to the nazis/hitler however much you may wish it to be so. It just doesn't stand up however much you try to stack it in favor of your opinion.

BTW, trhe last time I looked, the Serbs sent no divisions to fight for the nazis, the croatians, bosnian moslems and the albanians did. So where does your 'neo' in 'neo-nazi' fit in.

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Dear 'Olf', do not falsly attribute to other people non existent opinions ('minimize the terror that his regime brought to civilians of SFRJ.'), if you wish to do so, then quote them.

What I objected to is false historical comparisons for political and personal purposes.

It is amazing to find out that Serbian readers of B92 and other online papers see this move of SPS politicians as very arrogant and undermining to them.
New Serbian government has lost more credibility since it reminds it’s citizens of the dark days when Roger, Kate, ZK UK where drinking coffee in comfort away from Serbia while ordinary Serbian citizens where suffering the worst days of their life’s under Milosevic and some of them committing the worst crimes after the WWII in the name of Serbia.
Guys, don’t try and minimize the terror that his regime brought to civilians of SFRJ.

I reckon if they listened closely enough they would hear him turning in there...

Still, its important to keep up appearances. Knowing how guillable SPS supporters are, they might well be impressed by this.

As is evident in this very site, it seems that even today the self-called "democratic" and "liberal" Serbs have a soft spot for Slobo, the BUTCHER of the Balkans. That speaks volumes about today's Serbia, that lacks the means and opportunity but maintains the same goals and agresivity towards other ethnicities in the space of ex-Yugoslavia.

Jan Anderson,

Such a weak attempt. Please check the following link with a photo of your right-wing idol GWB.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DBush%2Bnazi%2Bsalute%26sp%3D1%26fr2%3Dsp-top%26y%3DSearch%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dsfp%26x%3Dwrt%26js%3D1%26ni%3D21%26ei%3DUTF-8%26SpellState%3Dn-3231198827_q-i8uRo646gC9fs4ZdAoEA.gAAAA%40%40&w=410&h=319&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F1182%2F1356245162_6fd0f29251.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F10983188%40N06%2F1356245162%2F&size=44.3kB&name=Bush+Salute&p=Bush+nazi+salute&type=JPG&oid=c7d72a89ed7d6386&fusr=K+Fusion&tit=Bush+Salute&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F10983188%40N06%2F&no=1&sigr=11l12llmf&sigi=11g682njo&sigb=15pq4qv64&sigh=11a10gred&tt=32

Anybody waving his arm can be photographed at the "right" (or wrong) moment showing pictures like this one and the one you posted. It does not mean anything (especially in Milosevic case, who was once hailed by the US and the EU because of the Dayton agreement and when the Serbian security forces where fighting the KLA when they where still considered a terrorist group by the US and others before the switched sides).

The BUTCHER term should be reserved for KLA murderers. After all, they are the ones who BUTCHERED the Serbs for their organs.

As is evident in this very site, it seems that even today the self-called "democratic" and "liberal" Serbs have a soft spot for Slobo, the BUTCHER of the Balkans. That speaks volumes about today's Serbia, that lacks the means and opportunity but maintains the same goals and agresivity towards other ethnicities in the space of ex-Yugoslavia.
(Adrian Gashi, 17 July 2008 20:29)

RE: Butcher of the Balkans

The Butcher of the Balkans name was Andrija Artukovic who was a member of the Ustasha government during WWII and was aptly named that term. Responsible for the extermination of at least 750,000 Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and Croats who opposed them. Andrija Artukovic lived in relative freedom in the US until he finally faced a trial in the former Yugoslavia, but at very ill health.

If you want to learn about Milosevic, read his words and transcripts which are publically available for all to read, not BBC, CNN or others who violate the memory of thousands who perished the most gruesome deaths at the hands of the real Butcher of the Balkans.

"I guess some things never really change or will never ever change in serbia. Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave. Milosevic is responsible for destroying Yugoslavia, one of the most developed nations in Eastern Europe, and launched a vicious campaign to create a greater serbia by murdering non-serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova. And yet, sadly, there are still people in serbia who pay visits to his grave and mourn his death. A disgrace."
(Adrian Kola, 17 July 2008 13:41)

thank you, adrian, you absolutely took the words out of my mouth. and this is now one of the "reformed" parties governing serbia, yes?

here is the thing about the hitler-milosevic parallel: altho specific historical factors are never exactly the same, milosevic encompassed all of the major evil traits of hitler: unlimited demogoguery, a willingness to do or say anything in order keep and increase power, and a basic megalomania that allowed him to take "his" people into utter and complete disaster, from which they are far from fully recovered.

and just like hitler, there are many "fans" who continue to adore slobo, and even more to excuse his actions ("it was croatia's fault; it was germany; it was the US; it was the islamic fundamentalists, etc.") the very attempt at revising hitler's legacy has been going strong since even before his suicide, and believe me, i have had to listen to (US)west coast revisionist history professors until i could bear it no longer. i hate revisionist historians, whether defending hitler, milosevic or any other monster!

moreover, this slobo-hitler comparison is nothing new; Svetlana Broz told me that way back in the late 1980s she tried to warn her frnds and colleagues in belgrade that milosevic was the new Hitler (her words.) and they told her: "You're just saying that because you are not Serb." and then we all, the rest of the world, had to pay the price.

roberto-frisco

Adrian,

I HATE Milosevic, but he was no Hitler.

You got serious issues if you can't tell the difference between the two.

Just because someone doesn't think he was a Hitler level evil doesn't mean they support them.

As I'm sure you know, nothing is black and white in the Balkans, its all shades of gray.

What's your opinion on Tudjman? He did the same things as Milosevic, he even attacked his own allies the Bosniaks. You seen Mostar? I have.

So please tell me why Milosevic is a "Hitler" Tudjman was a "Freedom Fighter"?

Personally, I don't see a difference between the two.

"One side alone cannot be blamed and neither can the role of the international community be overlooked."

That's what neo-nazis say about Hitler! "Germany did nothing wrong, on the contrary it was attacked by Poland!! After that, the whole world unfairly, started the attack on the poor nazi Germany, including the jews who were the most responsible for destroying the previous Reich.".

Ooops...What happened to Serbia FM telling KOuchner, SPS has changed? LOL..I shall not miss a chance to shoot an email to mr. Kouchner.

Who is lying? Jeremic has less credibility everday.

two conditions:

1.Recognize Kosovo.
2. Cooperate with Hague
3. Get rid of socialists
4. Reform
and then we can talk about EU membership..that's what Kouchner told Jeremic.

People, Adrian is only doing what all the Albanians have done on this site. He is constantly spewing the same old worn our propaganda how Serbs are evil and Albanians the lamb of God.

Why do we even attempt to get the point across to them when we know that they DO know the truth but the truth will not serve them so they have to resort to lies.

What is the point of us presenting them with facts when they would prefer fiction?
Does anyone here seriously believe that one day a miracle will happen and they will admit the truth?
One important point to remember here is that Milosevic was never found guilty and he never would've.
How does a prisoner of that importance get his hands on something which can kill him?
He was given everything he ate and drank. All the medication was supervised for him, so how can he commit suicide? Only a fool would believe that.

Slobo gave his life defending Serbs in Kosovo. He knew he would be seen as tyrant by the west.

Also, that description of him being the BUTCHER of Belgrade. C'mon, isn't that what the Americans called Saddam (the butcher of Baghdad)?
Adam and co. are only repeating American propaganda here. It's obvious.

"Nice" that shows they are still in large who feel sorry and suport a TYRAN who terrorise civilians,..SHAME...

Images can so much - and so little:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/470000/images/_472121_milosevic150.jpg

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You guys support murders by electing them to office. Ceku, Taci, and Haradinaj all have blood on their hands and they are free and well with all of your support not to mention the KLA. The BUTCHERS of Serbs, some Albanians and others. I'm not a fan of Milosevic but he did what any other leader would do. Like Tujdman, with his Ustasa, and Isobegovic with muhajadin. We know your heros are the KLA and I don't care. My heros are the Tigers my friend. If you Albanians OR my Serbs like it or not. I have my opinion through free speech, just like you do, when defending Ceku, Taci, Haradinaj and the KLA. O lets not forget Oric. Let the man RIP.

Impartial, please don't put fake labels on yourself. You are far from impartial.

All you have done is repeat the same propaganda which the west used to tarnish the Serbs. America is very good at fabricating numbers and having us believe that they are right and fighting on the side of right.

Please do educate yourself with impartial facts. Try reading something from John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, Gregory Clark and Gen. Lewis MacKenzie. Gen. MacKenzie was there and he certainly is in a position to know more than you.

I suppose since you are not so impartial you won't even consider this. Facts don't concern you. Only fiction concerns you.
Those so called mass murders in Srebrenica happend, but they happened to the Serbs.
Do you even know that Serbs were slaughtered there as well?
American way is that we must have a good guy and a bad guy. Only they get to decide who is good and who is bad.

On 17 July 2008 20:38, Milan wrote:

"Such a weak attempt. Please check the following link with a photo of your right-wing idol GWB.

(snip)

Anybody waving his arm can be photographed at the "right" (or wrong) moment showing pictures like this one and the one you posted."

Milan, maybe you missed the part where I said "Images can (show) so much - and SO LITTLE"?

Btw, GWB is not my idol, far from it.

Soon will be build a statue to a honor of Milosevic and his 'patriotic' acts. Wait and see...
Good luck Serbia on your way without exit from the period, ideologies and people destroyed you and your neighbors and non Serbs!

Looks like many Serbs here are missing Milosevic.

No wonder so many of you voted for Nikolic. He would haveve been a good replacement but it did not work out unfortunately. Better luck next time electing another maniac.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am new at his site but I am amazed…..There are two completely different stories….One side says Milosevic was god, the other side says he wasn’t……As an impartial person I’ll give my opinion too…..Milosevic, Hitler and Stalin were the same…..

Hitler killed 2 + mil people, Stalin killed 4+ mil people, Milosevic wanted to kill 10 + mil people…..

If someone has sympathy with Milosevic, the only thing I can say for you is: I REALLLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU…….

War in Slowenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo…..Four different states……Something’s wrong here….Remember Srebrenca????? Over 7000 people killed…what’s the difference between him (Milosevic) and the other mass murders???? I would say nothing.

I guess some things never really change or will never ever change in serbia. Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave. Milosevic is responsible for destroying Yugoslavia, one of the most developed nations in Eastern Europe, and launched a vicious campaign to create a greater serbia by murdering non-serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova. And yet, sadly, there are still people in serbia who pay visits to his grave and mourn his death. A disgrace.

Kate/Roger


Obvioulsy you have compeltely misunderstood my comment and seeing how you have based your counter arguments, maybe you did deliberately so.
I did not intend to give you a lesson on history and I most certainly do not need a history lecture from you. It's a basic and wide accepted fact that Milosevic was a vicious leader and dictator and he did destroyed Yugoslavia.
I know that Hitler hasn't got a grave, but thanks for pointing that out to me Roger. My comparison was merely an analogy between the Neo Nazis and the so called New Generation of Serbian socialists: they are the same thing, or at least the same to the people who suffered under their leadership.

I agree with ZK UK that maybe we should let Milosevic rest in his grave, but unfortunately it seems like some people clearly aren't ready to do so.

As a Kosovan I have great sympathy for Serbia and respect their people, but I detest their politicians with all of my heart.

"Nice" that shows they are still in large who feel sorry and suport a TYRAN who terrorise civilians,..SHAME...

Adrian

The way I see it is that if Slobo was as bad as you make him sound you wouldn't be alive today to post your comment.
We were monitoring the events in 1998-99, it wouldn't have been difficult for 100,000 people to be executed. But that didn't happen. The whole former Yugoslavia conflict was a civil war (with international backers sending weapons to any group that was trying to rip the country apart.) It was a civil guerilla war. The worst kind of war there is. Next one will be in Macedonia with the Albanians there vs the Macedonaians. I suppose you'll blame Slobo for that one as well.

It is amazing to find out that Serbian readers of B92 and other online papers see this move of SPS politicians as very arrogant and undermining to them.
New Serbian government has lost more credibility since it reminds it’s citizens of the dark days when Roger, Kate, ZK UK where drinking coffee in comfort away from Serbia while ordinary Serbian citizens where suffering the worst days of their life’s under Milosevic and some of them committing the worst crimes after the WWII in the name of Serbia.
Guys, don’t try and minimize the terror that his regime brought to civilians of SFRJ.

"One side alone cannot be blamed and neither can the role of the international community be overlooked."

That's what neo-nazis say about Hitler! "Germany did nothing wrong, on the contrary it was attacked by Poland!! After that, the whole world unfairly, started the attack on the poor nazi Germany, including the jews who were the most responsible for destroying the previous Reich.".

Images can so much - and so little:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/470000/images/_472121_milosevic150.jpg

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As is evident in this very site, it seems that even today the self-called "democratic" and "liberal" Serbs have a soft spot for Slobo, the BUTCHER of the Balkans. That speaks volumes about today's Serbia, that lacks the means and opportunity but maintains the same goals and agresivity towards other ethnicities in the space of ex-Yugoslavia.

"Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave."

Hitler doesn't have a grave, so what you have written makes no sense.

"Milosevic is responsible for destroying Yugoslavia, one of the most developed nations in Eastern Europe, and launched a vicious campaign to create a greater serbia by murdering non-serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova."

Spare us the amateur historian. I suppose Gavrilo Princip is also responsible for World War I?

You comprehension of geography is also pitiful. The Balkans is in south-east europe and is not comparable to the other countries of eastern europe who were in the Soviet Union whilst the SFRY was not.

As for the rest, you conveniently ignore what does not suit your facile view, namely the help of Germany et al, the rise of the neo-Ustase in Croatia who gloried in their slaughter of 700,000 serbs, jews and gyspsies during World War II and have never apologized for this, a moslem fundamentalist in Sarajevo who chose war over peace for an islamic entity covering the whole of the former SFRY, and a restive population in south serbia that spent the 1970s and 1980s persecuting anyone who was not of their ethnicity.

Still, I suppose people still need their simple myths. It all started with Milosevic of course. Life was 'perfect' and 'wonderful' before.

"I guess some things never really change or will never ever change in serbia. Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave. Milosevic is responsible for destroying Yugoslavia, one of the most developed nations in Eastern Europe, and launched a vicious campaign to create a greater serbia by murdering non-serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova. And yet, sadly, there are still people in serbia who pay visits to his grave and mourn his death. A disgrace."
(Adrian Kola, 17 July 2008 13:41)

thank you, adrian, you absolutely took the words out of my mouth. and this is now one of the "reformed" parties governing serbia, yes?

here is the thing about the hitler-milosevic parallel: altho specific historical factors are never exactly the same, milosevic encompassed all of the major evil traits of hitler: unlimited demogoguery, a willingness to do or say anything in order keep and increase power, and a basic megalomania that allowed him to take "his" people into utter and complete disaster, from which they are far from fully recovered.

and just like hitler, there are many "fans" who continue to adore slobo, and even more to excuse his actions ("it was croatia's fault; it was germany; it was the US; it was the islamic fundamentalists, etc.") the very attempt at revising hitler's legacy has been going strong since even before his suicide, and believe me, i have had to listen to (US)west coast revisionist history professors until i could bear it no longer. i hate revisionist historians, whether defending hitler, milosevic or any other monster!

moreover, this slobo-hitler comparison is nothing new; Svetlana Broz told me that way back in the late 1980s she tried to warn her frnds and colleagues in belgrade that milosevic was the new Hitler (her words.) and they told her: "You're just saying that because you are not Serb." and then we all, the rest of the world, had to pay the price.

roberto-frisco

Adrian Kola: "Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave."

While certainly not being a Milosevic fan, putting him on the same level as Hitler is extremely ill-informed.

There were millions who suffered in the wars of the former Yugoslavia, including many Serbs. Your summary is extremely simplistic.

One side alone cannot be blamed and neither can the role of the international community be overlooked.

Ooops...What happened to Serbia FM telling KOuchner, SPS has changed? LOL..I shall not miss a chance to shoot an email to mr. Kouchner.

Who is lying? Jeremic has less credibility everday.

two conditions:

1.Recognize Kosovo.
2. Cooperate with Hague
3. Get rid of socialists
4. Reform
and then we can talk about EU membership..that's what Kouchner told Jeremic.

Adrian, why are you blaming others for your inability to put to screen what you mean?

There is no 'analogy' to the nazis/hitler however much you may wish it to be so. It just doesn't stand up however much you try to stack it in favor of your opinion.

BTW, trhe last time I looked, the Serbs sent no divisions to fight for the nazis, the croatians, bosnian moslems and the albanians did. So where does your 'neo' in 'neo-nazi' fit in.

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Dear 'Olf', do not falsly attribute to other people non existent opinions ('minimize the terror that his regime brought to civilians of SFRJ.'), if you wish to do so, then quote them.

What I objected to is false historical comparisons for political and personal purposes.

Jan Anderson,

Such a weak attempt. Please check the following link with a photo of your right-wing idol GWB.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DBush%2Bnazi%2Bsalute%26sp%3D1%26fr2%3Dsp-top%26y%3DSearch%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dsfp%26x%3Dwrt%26js%3D1%26ni%3D21%26ei%3DUTF-8%26SpellState%3Dn-3231198827_q-i8uRo646gC9fs4ZdAoEA.gAAAA%40%40&w=410&h=319&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F1182%2F1356245162_6fd0f29251.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F10983188%40N06%2F1356245162%2F&size=44.3kB&name=Bush+Salute&p=Bush+nazi+salute&type=JPG&oid=c7d72a89ed7d6386&fusr=K+Fusion&tit=Bush+Salute&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F10983188%40N06%2F&no=1&sigr=11l12llmf&sigi=11g682njo&sigb=15pq4qv64&sigh=11a10gred&tt=32

Anybody waving his arm can be photographed at the "right" (or wrong) moment showing pictures like this one and the one you posted. It does not mean anything (especially in Milosevic case, who was once hailed by the US and the EU because of the Dayton agreement and when the Serbian security forces where fighting the KLA when they where still considered a terrorist group by the US and others before the switched sides).

Adrian,

I HATE Milosevic, but he was no Hitler.

You got serious issues if you can't tell the difference between the two.

Just because someone doesn't think he was a Hitler level evil doesn't mean they support them.

As I'm sure you know, nothing is black and white in the Balkans, its all shades of gray.

What's your opinion on Tudjman? He did the same things as Milosevic, he even attacked his own allies the Bosniaks. You seen Mostar? I have.

So please tell me why Milosevic is a "Hitler" Tudjman was a "Freedom Fighter"?

Personally, I don't see a difference between the two.

I reckon if they listened closely enough they would hear him turning in there...

Still, its important to keep up appearances. Knowing how guillable SPS supporters are, they might well be impressed by this.

Adrian

Let the guy rest in peace instead of repeating your nonsense propaganda like an ignorant puppet. The Milosevic trial had only two choices, either guilty or death - and since they couldn't prove his guilt they had one other choice.

It's interesting how some people expect respect for Zoran Đinđić but think it's ok to criticise Milosevic.

If you are looking for links to Hitler, you should instead investigate the Bush family. Hint: Start with Prescott Bush - the grandfather of the current president.

“Visiting Milosevic's grave is no different from visiting Hitler's grave.”

Adrian,

I suggest you get used to it, SPS is now the darling of the West and is “reformed”, ha ha hah ha…

On a serious note, how can you compare the crimes of the two of them?

Hitler was one of the most evil persons to have existed throughout history and slaughtered a population that posed no threat to him and consisted of innocent civilians. What the Germans did to the Jews and Serbs was very different than the fighting between Serbs and Bosniaks. You’re seriously insulting the memory of the many Jews and Serbs who lost their lives to the Nazi’s.

If SPS is as bad as the Nazi’s, why does the West welcome SPS with open arms?

Milosevic is no different than any number of petty dictators and war mongers that exist in the world today. Bush’s little war in Iraq has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not a million completely innocent civilians.

If you knew the history of the region, and experienced Tudjman’s revival of the Ustashe and their symbols, you would have picked up a gun to protect your family too.

My family comes from the region near Jasenovac, WWII wiped out my grandfather’s generation in the most horrid fashion. Did you really expect Serbs to lay down like sheep for slaughter? Go read some of Tudjman’s books and then read what happened in WWII.

I’m truly sorry for the crimes committed by the gangsters from Belgrade, but your average Serbian peasant was fighting to protect their home and their family.

"committing the worst crimes after the WWII in the name of Serbia."

So Rwanda was a picnic? Get real Olf, the world is a terrible place for the majority of people living on it.

Soon will be build a statue to a honor of Milosevic and his 'patriotic' acts. Wait and see...
Good luck Serbia on your way without exit from the period, ideologies and people destroyed you and your neighbors and non Serbs!

Looks like many Serbs here are missing Milosevic.

No wonder so many of you voted for Nikolic. He would haveve been a good replacement but it did not work out unfortunately. Better luck next time electing another maniac.

On 17 July 2008 20:38, Milan wrote:

"Such a weak attempt. Please check the following link with a photo of your right-wing idol GWB.

(snip)

Anybody waving his arm can be photographed at the "right" (or wrong) moment showing pictures like this one and the one you posted."

Milan, maybe you missed the part where I said "Images can (show) so much - and SO LITTLE"?

Btw, GWB is not my idol, far from it.

People, Adrian is only doing what all the Albanians have done on this site. He is constantly spewing the same old worn our propaganda how Serbs are evil and Albanians the lamb of God.

Why do we even attempt to get the point across to them when we know that they DO know the truth but the truth will not serve them so they have to resort to lies.

What is the point of us presenting them with facts when they would prefer fiction?
Does anyone here seriously believe that one day a miracle will happen and they will admit the truth?
One important point to remember here is that Milosevic was never found guilty and he never would've.
How does a prisoner of that importance get his hands on something which can kill him?
He was given everything he ate and drank. All the medication was supervised for him, so how can he commit suicide? Only a fool would believe that.

Slobo gave his life defending Serbs in Kosovo. He knew he would be seen as tyrant by the west.

Also, that description of him being the BUTCHER of Belgrade. C'mon, isn't that what the Americans called Saddam (the butcher of Baghdad)?
Adam and co. are only repeating American propaganda here. It's obvious.

The BUTCHER term should be reserved for KLA murderers. After all, they are the ones who BUTCHERED the Serbs for their organs.

You guys support murders by electing them to office. Ceku, Taci, and Haradinaj all have blood on their hands and they are free and well with all of your support not to mention the KLA. The BUTCHERS of Serbs, some Albanians and others. I'm not a fan of Milosevic but he did what any other leader would do. Like Tujdman, with his Ustasa, and Isobegovic with muhajadin. We know your heros are the KLA and I don't care. My heros are the Tigers my friend. If you Albanians OR my Serbs like it or not. I have my opinion through free speech, just like you do, when defending Ceku, Taci, Haradinaj and the KLA. O lets not forget Oric. Let the man RIP.

As is evident in this very site, it seems that even today the self-called "democratic" and "liberal" Serbs have a soft spot for Slobo, the BUTCHER of the Balkans. That speaks volumes about today's Serbia, that lacks the means and opportunity but maintains the same goals and agresivity towards other ethnicities in the space of ex-Yugoslavia.
(Adrian Gashi, 17 July 2008 20:29)

RE: Butcher of the Balkans

The Butcher of the Balkans name was Andrija Artukovic who was a member of the Ustasha government during WWII and was aptly named that term. Responsible for the extermination of at least 750,000 Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and Croats who opposed them. Andrija Artukovic lived in relative freedom in the US until he finally faced a trial in the former Yugoslavia, but at very ill health.

If you want to learn about Milosevic, read his words and transcripts which are publically available for all to read, not BBC, CNN or others who violate the memory of thousands who perished the most gruesome deaths at the hands of the real Butcher of the Balkans.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am new at his site but I am amazed…..There are two completely different stories….One side says Milosevic was god, the other side says he wasn’t……As an impartial person I’ll give my opinion too…..Milosevic, Hitler and Stalin were the same…..

Hitler killed 2 + mil people, Stalin killed 4+ mil people, Milosevic wanted to kill 10 + mil people…..

If someone has sympathy with Milosevic, the only thing I can say for you is: I REALLLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU…….

War in Slowenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo…..Four different states……Something’s wrong here….Remember Srebrenca????? Over 7000 people killed…what’s the difference between him (Milosevic) and the other mass murders???? I would say nothing.

Roberty from Frisco,
I think I can speak for most Serbs here when I tell you that we are tired of your ludicrous rants.
How dare you compare Milosevic to Hitler?? How DARE you?
Slobo was not even a nationalist, he was a commie who betrayed Serbs in Bosnia and Krajina to try to bargain with the immoral West.
As a Jew, you should know very well that Serbia is the only place in the Balkans where Jews were never, yes NEVER persecuted. Do some research. Your beloved albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims can certainly not say the same thing. In fact, since the KLA organ traffickers took over running Kosovo, there are no more Jews in Kosovo.
You should be ashamed for making such comparisons. Think before you speak. Your president, and Clinton before him, are responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the entire Serbian population in Krajina, and for the ethnic cleansing of almost all Serbs from Kosovo. You should be petitioning to send them to the Hague, if you were a true 'humanitarian'. You are not fooling anyone with your one sided views.
Cheers!

Impartial, please don't put fake labels on yourself. You are far from impartial.

All you have done is repeat the same propaganda which the west used to tarnish the Serbs. America is very good at fabricating numbers and having us believe that they are right and fighting on the side of right.

Please do educate yourself with impartial facts. Try reading something from John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, Gregory Clark and Gen. Lewis MacKenzie. Gen. MacKenzie was there and he certainly is in a position to know more than you.

I suppose since you are not so impartial you won't even consider this. Facts don't concern you. Only fiction concerns you.
Those so called mass murders in Srebrenica happend, but they happened to the Serbs.
Do you even know that Serbs were slaughtered there as well?
American way is that we must have a good guy and a bad guy. Only they get to decide who is good and who is bad.