Kubiš: Slovakia's Kosovo stand justified

"Mr. Kubis will accept Kosova's new passport, if he wants be at the same page with EU and USA.
(Eagle, 16 July 2008 12:52) "

What about Spain, Romania, Greece and Cyprus? They are in the EU too and they are against Kosovo independence. The USA and the rest of the EU can do nothing, this Kosovo independence issue is for each individual country to decide, if they are against it, tough luck.

"Anyway, it is good that Slovakia is just like a drop in a river and all EU members and US know why are Slovaks hesitating...is it that they care for Serbia interests OR for Hungarian minority rights there...
(PRN, 16 July 2008 13:20) "

Maybe Slovakia is a small country, but Spain is a big one, Greece is also big in terms of the EU, Romania is also a big country, and they have the right to decide on what they want to do with the Kosovo issue. The US and the rest of the EU are not going to do anything about it either, because even if little Ireland or little Holland can veto Treaties, so can little Slovakia veto the independence of Kosovo, and who stopped them?

Many thanks to you SLOVAKIA

Medveputin was quite right when he said yesterday that for EU Kosovo is same as Iraq for the Americans.

Both has missed the lesson of history where it is said that starting war is much easier than finishing it. They both forgot that no war runs the way it was pre-planned by the aggressor. So they both are at a loss losing their remaining reputation.

Slovakians are right when they say that Kosvo mobbery is illegal but 78% of the states think the same. And the only reason why Russia and China stopped exporting Kosovo experience to Zimbabwe was because it is an independent state not to be bombed or invaded unless there is a humanitarian tragedy. If we start invading every state where opposition says that the voting was wrong we shall go too far.

To me this guy is insane.

One day he say EULEX is legitimate and endorses the other day he says Kosovo Independence we wont accept....

Hello Mr. Kubish,..!!

EULEX and Kosovo Independence are part and parcel of Ahtisari plan...

Pick and chose items from the plan make you look very insane.

You either say I dont accept Ahtisari plan, or I do accept...

Anyway, it is good that Slovakia is just like a drop in a river and all EU members and US know why are Slovaks hesitating...is it that they care for Serbia interests OR for Hungarian minority rights there...

RE: Slovakia justification

Slovakia learned from it's mistakens in WWII where is sided with Adolf Hitler of Germany and Admiral Horthy of Hungary paricipated in the dismemberment of the Sudetenland and invasion of Czechoslovakia.

The Czech leaders have betrayed the citizens of the Czech republic who stand firmly behind Serbia and Kosovo & Metohija. Not only the betrayal of Czech citizens but the memory of the Czech leaders and people in 1938 who witnessed Hitler and his henchman invade while allies France and England stood idly by.

I have been in Slovakia many times politically they are very difficoult to understand but 2 things are clear :
1)They still have an unresolved problem with their Hungarian minority
2)They sympatize a lot with all the Slavs countries regarding from religion or politics..
So their stance for kosovo is automatic...

Mr. Kubis will accept Kosova's new passport, if he wants be at the same page with EU and USA.

pretty dry - pretty correct!

except the thing about taking back the acknowledgment of independence.

if anybody is a guaranty for something like that to happen, then it is the usa.

they did it with former and so-called "bosnia" (in dayton), they did it with taiwan, and they´ll do it with south-serbia.

and if not, noone will care, just like about their acknowledgment.

the process of taking back the acknowledgment will be pretty fast (and silent).

the only question is: who will start this process of adjustment to reality?

but the fact that you can name right now, in the same year, the most serious candidates for this first step (poland and czech republik after the election, canade due to quebec, etc) speaks for itself.

i strongly recomend to the serbians of albanian heritage to pay the money for their "passports" to germany, allthough they are with slovak decission worthless.

but our great strategic camp from the albanian reservation will probably tell us, that solana will throw out slovakia from eu and schengen and take in kosovo (just as russia gave in and we all could see)......

Mr. Kubis is sending a message out there that, if the number of recognitions increases than Slovakia will recognise it too. He is also using Kosova issue to be heard in EU. This sound to me as electoral campaign in Slovakia. I just wonder when are then next Slovak elections?

Rote K
in worst case scenario in Kosovo(Kosovo remains politically and economically failed and the locals will start to be aggresive towards eulex's way of doing things), EU will just say sorry we tried and some money will be lost. still remains to be found the answer for K Mitrovica and the north.
In what concerns reputation, reputation in the eyes of who? Russia & China? LOL. For the domestic EU citizens, Kosovo is among the last on the list.

> The [Slovaks] sympatize a lot
> with all the Slavs countries
> regarding from religion or
> politics..
> So their stance for kosovo
> is automatic...

Of course, Slovaks speak a Slavic language. But it is a mistake to think that all Slavs are Orthodox Christians and care about Kosovo.

In fact, most Slovaks are Roman Catholics, with a small Protestant minority.

In its religious profile, Slovakia is much like Slovenia and Croatia -- which are also Slavic countries, but had no problem recognizing Kosovo's independence. There's no automatic connection between being a Slav and backing Belgrade politically.

The Bratislava government's position on recognition of Kosovo - as in the case of the Spanish government - has nothing to do with religious sympathies.

They don't want to recognize Kosovo for fear of creating a precedent -- both Spain and Slovakia have sizeable ethnic minority populations and both worry about the possibility of secessionist movements.

Whether those fears are realistic is another matter. Most such issues are generated and decided locally, not on the basis of what happens somewhere else on the globe.

@6 une
"As far as Greece soon there will be recognition.. Bakoyanis has hinted so.. LOL"

What is wrong with you people? Bakoyanni never said anything in favor of recognising UDI of Kossovo. Show me one (1) (ONE) statement of hers that you find a hint of a hint that Greece "will soon recognise" the province as a country. Actually I will give you a statement to show you how your politicians work. This is from the briefing of the journalists by the Foreign affairs spokesman last week:

Mr. Caka (journalist): Prime Minister Thaci thanked the Greek side for the initiative on the opening of a delegation of Kosovo in Athens, stating that “I am very optimistic that Greece and two or three other countries in the region will very soon recognise Kosovo’s independence”.

Mr. G. Koumoutsakos (spokesman): I am not aware of this statement. But because your question raises an issue regarding the possibility of a Kosovo Liaison Office operating in Greece, I would like to say - in order to avoid any misunderstandings – that, as the Minister said from the outset, this issue will be raised within the framework of reciprocity. As you know, Greece has not recognised Kosovo's unilateral independence. We have not reached this point. So the question of opening a representation office here will be examined within the framework of mutuality, when there is such reciprocity.
With regard to the optimism expressed by Mr. Thaci, this is an appreciation that I am not going to comment on. I would like to repeat the Greek position, i.e., that decisions will be made once every aspect of this intricate and complex matter is evaluated in depth.

So take a good look. Your guy Thatci is using your media to fool you that we are going to recognise the UDI. And as you can see, we have no idea of what he is talking about.
Get real people and dont say again that we will soon recognise you. If and when this will happen, you will learn it from us directly and not in any other way.

@17 ernie

"people hold your horse's anyone can talk whatever but Kosova is only 5 and half month old ....How long took for other country's to be recognized includin Slovakia himslef after separeted from Cheks..!!???"

18 days. Chekoslovakia split on January 1, 1993. By January 19, 1993 Slovakia was a UN member.
Your baby is a slow growing one :)

"Sllovakia acts as if anyone care about their opinion. Theyw ill do as told in due time
(une, 16 July 2008 14:26)"

well, as far as we can see, it´s the Albanians who are doing as they are told!

how do you come to the conclusion that you are independent, une? just give a explanation, please, and no naive wishful-thinking!

as for those who are expressing their desperation by belittling Slovakia, a REAL country in europe!

It is unfortunate to hear such tones from Slovak politicians. Aren't Slovaks the nation that always tried to build their national identity within former Czechoslovakia? Their culmination of their fight for this identity was reached with their independence from Czechoslovakia.

Slovaks know very well what it means to be a second class citizens or occupied in their own country. After the second world war, Slovaks were the third minority after Czechs and Germans in Czechoslovakia, now they have their own country. Instead of being thankful to the fact that their independence was not washed in blood, they preach Int. law to Europe.

And to think that the most respected and prominent figure of Prague Spring, Alexander Dubcek is a Slovak!!

Alas, Slovak nationalism has always been the driving force behind this nation’s politicians. They always felt more Slavic than Czechoslovakians. Even during Soviet occupation, the bulk of conservatives always came from Slovakia. The head of Slovak Communist party Kubiš ( a different Kubiš) maintained, at that time, that Soviet Occupation was a misunderstanding!!

why would anyone care what sllovakia thinks...LOL what theya re the big player now. As far as Greece soon there will be recognition.. Bakoyanis has hinted so.. LOL Sllovakia acts as if anyone care about their opinion. Theyw ill do as told in due time

who cares about the small slovakia? they have nothing to say in international politics! aha all neighbors of slovakia have already recognized kosovos independence and i think slovakia will do it also in 1 or 2 or 3 years! keep it cool!

Slovak territorial integrity is not endangered. Those who use this as argument to justify slovak position only show their ignorance of europe affairs. It's probable hard for you to understand that the rest of Europe is not "Wild west" as Balkan. Perhaps you should first learn how to think in more civilized ways if you are so eager to become part of Europe.

Well Slovkia will only accept UNMIK Passports well i guess spending 25 Euros on a passport that is not worth squat. How can the poor folks of Kosova afford a passport when they are barely able to feed there family? Now you notice that alot of EU countries will not accept the new passport. I think this is a sham to make some money of people who can barely make enough to feed the family. To downplay this event as Slovkia is not important face the facts folks not everyone is just going to blindly follow the EU. Like everyone followed the US into Iraq.

Mr Kubis,is trying to tell us that this is the begining of the end of opposing kosovo's independence.He is right when he says recognition not be reversed.Thanks

une:
> LOL Sllovakia acts as if anyone care about their opinion. Theyw ill do as told in due time

A truly appalling statement. Representative of the pro K-albanian camp?

Judge for yourself.

Eagle:
> Mr. Kubis will accept Kosova's new passport, if he wants be at the same page with EU and USA.

miri:
> Instead of being thankful to the fact that their independence was not washed in blood, they preach Int. law to Europe.

Slovakia is in a far better position to 'preach' international law than any K-albanian - & there was no bloodshed because their separation was reached by consensus & not by any unilateral action.

dan:
> who cares about the small slovakia? they have nothing to say in international politics! aha all neighbors of slovakia have already recognized kosovos independence and i think slovakia will do it also in 1 or 2 or 3 years!

Am curious - did you even bother looking at a map before writing this?

Hint: Ukraine.

Slovakia's Stand on Kosovo to Domestic "Phobia"

link: http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2396153&title=Commentary_Ascribes.html

people hold your horse's anyone can talk whatever but Kosova is only 5 and half month old ....How long took for other country's to be recognized includin Slovakia himslef after separeted from Cheks..!!???

Luigi is right, Slovakia's stance is automatic. Being a 15 year old country that never existed before, and that was created on Hungarian soil, with a strong Hungarian minority, they are afraid of course.

Just imagine, a size of 2 Serbia was taken away from Hungary, especially in today's "Slovakia" and Romania, with millions of Hunagrians. Now Serbians are learning the lesson in a very low scale with this small place called Kosovo and only a few thousand Serbs trapped out of their borders, but at least they have a handful of countries with a sense of guilt for abusing their own minority to support them. Good luck.

Don't worry , Mr.Kubish!
It's time for albanians to look at WEST.Looking at EAST for more than 40 years,resulted to as as a waste of time.

Mr. Kubis, we are far away in the Plain! Plz start thinking how to deal with next winter on the mountain peak an leave us alone!

For 1000 years Slovaks were under Hungarian rule. It was harsh at times. Yet when the border between Hungary and Czechoslovakia sa set in 1919, a great injustice was done. The otherwise respectable Mr. Benes, representing Czechoslovakia at the peace conference, lied obout the ethnic composition of Southern Slovakia. The Hundarians were not even listened. Woe to the vanquished. Yet if the inclusion of a compact Magyar population in vide Czechoslovakia was a manageble marginjal problem, today its presence in small Slovakia, withy no phisical borders with Hungary within the Schengen zone puts under question the Slovakian character of the state.
Sometimes the success proves costlier than the defeat. Czechs paid the bill in 1938, Slovakians may yet have to pay.

To me this guy is insane.

One day he say EULEX is legitimate and endorses the other day he says Kosovo Independence we wont accept....

Hello Mr. Kubish,..!!

EULEX and Kosovo Independence are part and parcel of Ahtisari plan...

Pick and chose items from the plan make you look very insane.

You either say I dont accept Ahtisari plan, or I do accept...

Anyway, it is good that Slovakia is just like a drop in a river and all EU members and US know why are Slovaks hesitating...is it that they care for Serbia interests OR for Hungarian minority rights there...

Mr. Kubis will accept Kosova's new passport, if he wants be at the same page with EU and USA.

why would anyone care what sllovakia thinks...LOL what theya re the big player now. As far as Greece soon there will be recognition.. Bakoyanis has hinted so.. LOL Sllovakia acts as if anyone care about their opinion. Theyw ill do as told in due time

Mr. Kubis is sending a message out there that, if the number of recognitions increases than Slovakia will recognise it too. He is also using Kosova issue to be heard in EU. This sound to me as electoral campaign in Slovakia. I just wonder when are then next Slovak elections?

It is unfortunate to hear such tones from Slovak politicians. Aren't Slovaks the nation that always tried to build their national identity within former Czechoslovakia? Their culmination of their fight for this identity was reached with their independence from Czechoslovakia.

Slovaks know very well what it means to be a second class citizens or occupied in their own country. After the second world war, Slovaks were the third minority after Czechs and Germans in Czechoslovakia, now they have their own country. Instead of being thankful to the fact that their independence was not washed in blood, they preach Int. law to Europe.

And to think that the most respected and prominent figure of Prague Spring, Alexander Dubcek is a Slovak!!

Alas, Slovak nationalism has always been the driving force behind this nation’s politicians. They always felt more Slavic than Czechoslovakians. Even during Soviet occupation, the bulk of conservatives always came from Slovakia. The head of Slovak Communist party Kubiš ( a different Kubiš) maintained, at that time, that Soviet Occupation was a misunderstanding!!

Mr Kubis,is trying to tell us that this is the begining of the end of opposing kosovo's independence.He is right when he says recognition not be reversed.Thanks

who cares about the small slovakia? they have nothing to say in international politics! aha all neighbors of slovakia have already recognized kosovos independence and i think slovakia will do it also in 1 or 2 or 3 years! keep it cool!

Slovakia's Stand on Kosovo to Domestic "Phobia"

link: http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2396153&title=Commentary_Ascribes.html

Well Slovkia will only accept UNMIK Passports well i guess spending 25 Euros on a passport that is not worth squat. How can the poor folks of Kosova afford a passport when they are barely able to feed there family? Now you notice that alot of EU countries will not accept the new passport. I think this is a sham to make some money of people who can barely make enough to feed the family. To downplay this event as Slovkia is not important face the facts folks not everyone is just going to blindly follow the EU. Like everyone followed the US into Iraq.

I have been in Slovakia many times politically they are very difficoult to understand but 2 things are clear :
1)They still have an unresolved problem with their Hungarian minority
2)They sympatize a lot with all the Slavs countries regarding from religion or politics..
So their stance for kosovo is automatic...

pretty dry - pretty correct!

except the thing about taking back the acknowledgment of independence.

if anybody is a guaranty for something like that to happen, then it is the usa.

they did it with former and so-called "bosnia" (in dayton), they did it with taiwan, and they´ll do it with south-serbia.

and if not, noone will care, just like about their acknowledgment.

the process of taking back the acknowledgment will be pretty fast (and silent).

the only question is: who will start this process of adjustment to reality?

but the fact that you can name right now, in the same year, the most serious candidates for this first step (poland and czech republik after the election, canade due to quebec, etc) speaks for itself.

i strongly recomend to the serbians of albanian heritage to pay the money for their "passports" to germany, allthough they are with slovak decission worthless.

but our great strategic camp from the albanian reservation will probably tell us, that solana will throw out slovakia from eu and schengen and take in kosovo (just as russia gave in and we all could see)......

people hold your horse's anyone can talk whatever but Kosova is only 5 and half month old ....How long took for other country's to be recognized includin Slovakia himslef after separeted from Cheks..!!???

> The [Slovaks] sympatize a lot
> with all the Slavs countries
> regarding from religion or
> politics..
> So their stance for kosovo
> is automatic...

Of course, Slovaks speak a Slavic language. But it is a mistake to think that all Slavs are Orthodox Christians and care about Kosovo.

In fact, most Slovaks are Roman Catholics, with a small Protestant minority.

In its religious profile, Slovakia is much like Slovenia and Croatia -- which are also Slavic countries, but had no problem recognizing Kosovo's independence. There's no automatic connection between being a Slav and backing Belgrade politically.

The Bratislava government's position on recognition of Kosovo - as in the case of the Spanish government - has nothing to do with religious sympathies.

They don't want to recognize Kosovo for fear of creating a precedent -- both Spain and Slovakia have sizeable ethnic minority populations and both worry about the possibility of secessionist movements.

Whether those fears are realistic is another matter. Most such issues are generated and decided locally, not on the basis of what happens somewhere else on the globe.

"Mr. Kubis will accept Kosova's new passport, if he wants be at the same page with EU and USA.
(Eagle, 16 July 2008 12:52) "

What about Spain, Romania, Greece and Cyprus? They are in the EU too and they are against Kosovo independence. The USA and the rest of the EU can do nothing, this Kosovo independence issue is for each individual country to decide, if they are against it, tough luck.

"Anyway, it is good that Slovakia is just like a drop in a river and all EU members and US know why are Slovaks hesitating...is it that they care for Serbia interests OR for Hungarian minority rights there...
(PRN, 16 July 2008 13:20) "

Maybe Slovakia is a small country, but Spain is a big one, Greece is also big in terms of the EU, Romania is also a big country, and they have the right to decide on what they want to do with the Kosovo issue. The US and the rest of the EU are not going to do anything about it either, because even if little Ireland or little Holland can veto Treaties, so can little Slovakia veto the independence of Kosovo, and who stopped them?

Many thanks to you SLOVAKIA

Medveputin was quite right when he said yesterday that for EU Kosovo is same as Iraq for the Americans.

Both has missed the lesson of history where it is said that starting war is much easier than finishing it. They both forgot that no war runs the way it was pre-planned by the aggressor. So they both are at a loss losing their remaining reputation.

Slovakians are right when they say that Kosvo mobbery is illegal but 78% of the states think the same. And the only reason why Russia and China stopped exporting Kosovo experience to Zimbabwe was because it is an independent state not to be bombed or invaded unless there is a humanitarian tragedy. If we start invading every state where opposition says that the voting was wrong we shall go too far.

RE: Slovakia justification

Slovakia learned from it's mistakens in WWII where is sided with Adolf Hitler of Germany and Admiral Horthy of Hungary paricipated in the dismemberment of the Sudetenland and invasion of Czechoslovakia.

The Czech leaders have betrayed the citizens of the Czech republic who stand firmly behind Serbia and Kosovo & Metohija. Not only the betrayal of Czech citizens but the memory of the Czech leaders and people in 1938 who witnessed Hitler and his henchman invade while allies France and England stood idly by.

Slovak territorial integrity is not endangered. Those who use this as argument to justify slovak position only show their ignorance of europe affairs. It's probable hard for you to understand that the rest of Europe is not "Wild west" as Balkan. Perhaps you should first learn how to think in more civilized ways if you are so eager to become part of Europe.

Don't worry , Mr.Kubish!
It's time for albanians to look at WEST.Looking at EAST for more than 40 years,resulted to as as a waste of time.

Rote K
in worst case scenario in Kosovo(Kosovo remains politically and economically failed and the locals will start to be aggresive towards eulex's way of doing things), EU will just say sorry we tried and some money will be lost. still remains to be found the answer for K Mitrovica and the north.
In what concerns reputation, reputation in the eyes of who? Russia & China? LOL. For the domestic EU citizens, Kosovo is among the last on the list.

Luigi is right, Slovakia's stance is automatic. Being a 15 year old country that never existed before, and that was created on Hungarian soil, with a strong Hungarian minority, they are afraid of course.

Just imagine, a size of 2 Serbia was taken away from Hungary, especially in today's "Slovakia" and Romania, with millions of Hunagrians. Now Serbians are learning the lesson in a very low scale with this small place called Kosovo and only a few thousand Serbs trapped out of their borders, but at least they have a handful of countries with a sense of guilt for abusing their own minority to support them. Good luck.

"Sllovakia acts as if anyone care about their opinion. Theyw ill do as told in due time
(une, 16 July 2008 14:26)"

well, as far as we can see, it´s the Albanians who are doing as they are told!

how do you come to the conclusion that you are independent, une? just give a explanation, please, and no naive wishful-thinking!

as for those who are expressing their desperation by belittling Slovakia, a REAL country in europe!

@6 une
"As far as Greece soon there will be recognition.. Bakoyanis has hinted so.. LOL"

What is wrong with you people? Bakoyanni never said anything in favor of recognising UDI of Kossovo. Show me one (1) (ONE) statement of hers that you find a hint of a hint that Greece "will soon recognise" the province as a country. Actually I will give you a statement to show you how your politicians work. This is from the briefing of the journalists by the Foreign affairs spokesman last week:

Mr. Caka (journalist): Prime Minister Thaci thanked the Greek side for the initiative on the opening of a delegation of Kosovo in Athens, stating that “I am very optimistic that Greece and two or three other countries in the region will very soon recognise Kosovo’s independence”.

Mr. G. Koumoutsakos (spokesman): I am not aware of this statement. But because your question raises an issue regarding the possibility of a Kosovo Liaison Office operating in Greece, I would like to say - in order to avoid any misunderstandings – that, as the Minister said from the outset, this issue will be raised within the framework of reciprocity. As you know, Greece has not recognised Kosovo's unilateral independence. We have not reached this point. So the question of opening a representation office here will be examined within the framework of mutuality, when there is such reciprocity.
With regard to the optimism expressed by Mr. Thaci, this is an appreciation that I am not going to comment on. I would like to repeat the Greek position, i.e., that decisions will be made once every aspect of this intricate and complex matter is evaluated in depth.

So take a good look. Your guy Thatci is using your media to fool you that we are going to recognise the UDI. And as you can see, we have no idea of what he is talking about.
Get real people and dont say again that we will soon recognise you. If and when this will happen, you will learn it from us directly and not in any other way.

@17 ernie

"people hold your horse's anyone can talk whatever but Kosova is only 5 and half month old ....How long took for other country's to be recognized includin Slovakia himslef after separeted from Cheks..!!???"

18 days. Chekoslovakia split on January 1, 1993. By January 19, 1993 Slovakia was a UN member.
Your baby is a slow growing one :)

une:
> LOL Sllovakia acts as if anyone care about their opinion. Theyw ill do as told in due time

A truly appalling statement. Representative of the pro K-albanian camp?

Judge for yourself.

Eagle:
> Mr. Kubis will accept Kosova's new passport, if he wants be at the same page with EU and USA.

miri:
> Instead of being thankful to the fact that their independence was not washed in blood, they preach Int. law to Europe.

Slovakia is in a far better position to 'preach' international law than any K-albanian - & there was no bloodshed because their separation was reached by consensus & not by any unilateral action.

dan:
> who cares about the small slovakia? they have nothing to say in international politics! aha all neighbors of slovakia have already recognized kosovos independence and i think slovakia will do it also in 1 or 2 or 3 years!

Am curious - did you even bother looking at a map before writing this?

Hint: Ukraine.

Mr. Kubis, we are far away in the Plain! Plz start thinking how to deal with next winter on the mountain peak an leave us alone!

For 1000 years Slovaks were under Hungarian rule. It was harsh at times. Yet when the border between Hungary and Czechoslovakia sa set in 1919, a great injustice was done. The otherwise respectable Mr. Benes, representing Czechoslovakia at the peace conference, lied obout the ethnic composition of Southern Slovakia. The Hundarians were not even listened. Woe to the vanquished. Yet if the inclusion of a compact Magyar population in vide Czechoslovakia was a manageble marginjal problem, today its presence in small Slovakia, withy no phisical borders with Hungary within the Schengen zone puts under question the Slovakian character of the state.
Sometimes the success proves costlier than the defeat. Czechs paid the bill in 1938, Slovakians may yet have to pay.