"Montenegro to decide on Kosovo alone"

Mr. Djukanovic, stop with the apologies and excuses. Finally reveal your hand.

You can't have both so just pick a side and go with it.
Although, I think you have already picked a side and are taking all this time to make it look like you really tried.

Serbia and Russia will understand your position, but you will have to understand theirs when you need help with the Albanian problem in your country and they have to do what is in their best interest too, like going with the people they can rely on and trust.

i think Milo is pretty funny i am sure he knows he is a Serb because i am a Montenegrin and we are all Serbs so this guy should leave office and we should get someone normal who has some sense in his head and kosovo is and will be OUR Serbian land just like Montenegro is Serbian land. and yes to Peggy you are right because of this if Montenegro recognises kosovo then that will be it that gives the path to albanians to take Montenegro with ease because serbia are no one else will care then.

What about the will of the people in Montenegro? Why not let them decide?

YES.

I fully agree, Montenergo should decide on the future of Montenegro, and to the peaceful Balkans, NOT return in the past. I hope they have learned the awful lessons of the past as part of federation/union with Serbia.

They know that with Serbia you CANT progress, it is painful experience that ALL nations in F Yugoslavia admit it.

Montenegro needs assess the NEW reality of peaceful Balkans following Kosovo independence and act accordingly.

Recognising Kosovo is not haphazard act BUT IS an OBLIGATION in recognising the NEW REALITY.

> He also stated that it was Montenegro's clear determination to be part of the EU and NATO, which, he added, meant sharing the foreign policy of member states of these organizations.

The EU has bypassed the issue of the recognition of this 'pseudo-state' as a bloc by leaving the decision to recognise up to individual countries - principally due to the opposition from several members.

And hence the EU has on many occasions stated that it has no official position on said recognition.

So rather than seeking to 'share' the foreign policy of some member states, Dukanovic should be seeking to emulate the position of the EU as a whole.

ie: position of Montenegro should be that until there is unanimity in the EU, it's position will be undecided.

Whether this is in fact it's position despite Dukanovic's above placatory words to 'brussels' is open to debate.

Regardless.. the ONLY reality is that as of this point in time, Montenegro has not recognised the UDI.

If Milo could`a he would`a.
Let`s not forget who majority in CG is,and knowing the apetite of albanians no one is stupid enough to give then anything for free anymore.

Now, don't say that again... it's becoming ridiculous! Lol!

Ah yes, Montenegro.

Recognize or no SAA signatures.

Good luck with your dynamics analysis.

jazzy, there are much more serbs in CG than albanians. and i doubt very much that all montenegrins who dont regard to themselves as serbs arent crazy about recognizing the UDI

How is Milo Đukanović kidding you came knocking on the EU door. The EU will tell the price Montenegro will have to pay it will be more and more. Of course all of Montenegro's citizens rights to decide and self respect will have to go that goes without saying.

Matthew,
what sort of modern democracy allows the people to pick anything? Ireland made a mess for the "democracry" of the EU. What will of the people was used in the declaration of the UDI? Wasn't it just a subset of the peoples of Serbia. So since the UDI was declared without the explict will of the People, why should a recognition be any different.
If Montenegro is to recognize the UDI, then it is up to thier government to do so, hence the purpose of the government.
The Government "should" understand that there are far more micro dynamic behaviours that occur in international circles than the "average" citizen is aware of.
Ultimately it seems that Montenegro's descision will offend and insult a substantial part of it's population regardless of the choice. Montenegro's ethnically Serbian population will not be happy, and it may weaken it's relationship with Serbia Proper, if it chooses to recognize the UDI, whereas if it chooses not to, then its ethnically Albanian population could become upset and subsetquent relations with Albanian proper may not remain as positive.
I feel somewhat sorry for Milo, but at the end of the day, he wanted this job, and is paid to do it.

Good luck.

Jazzy, the purpose of the government is to govern for the people, that means the will of the people.

If they choose to ignore the will of the people they will find themselves in opposition after the next elections.

You elect someone to govern for you and that does not mean to dictate to you.

Djukanovic has proven himself a trator to the Serbian people. He will be dealt with as that. I only hope that Montenegrian Serbs are not going to pay a very high price for this man's tretchery.

Mr.President Milo Djukanovic
If you discuss issues now and continue to work on them, by the weekend those problems could be History.
While you won't necessarilly recognise new Independent Kosova just yet, your instincts must be telling you that what come via USA UK EU is worth making time for.
The future ain't what it used to be. 21C NEW ERA NEW WORLD.
Opss Montenegrians r not a Serb.
Thank you Montenegro

Peggy,
Sorry, but my sarcasm was not as evident in reading the posting as I felt it was while writing: I fully agree in principle about the purpose of government, but that is not what I've noticed from "democratic" nations. From what I've seen in today's form of Modern Democracy, it is hard to see the citizen involved what so ever. There are both good and bad reasons for this evident behaviour. The average citizen usually either cannot be bothered, or is not informed enough to fully understand what is happening. Most people only get 1, maybe 2 view points of any issue, however we can all agree (I hope) that most issues have many more view points. Ideally the government has done a "fair and proper" job of refnining the numerous view points to a small set for presentation. The problem there is that "fair and just" government is not always as easy to find as one might think.

Also, I don't know how upset the Serbian peoples (from Serbia Proper) are with Montenegro's succession. It was not really contended. The one thing that is true, as BK pointed out is that Montenegro has a substantial percentage of ethnic Serbian peoples, and in the end the Serbs from both camps are likely to remain friendly with eachother. (hopefully :) )

Jazzy, I agree with you that people are not usually as informed as they should be. That is also the fault of the government as they usually dictate the position the media is to take. You would think that in a democratic society government and media are separate but we all know this is not true.

Regardless of whose fault this is, the people will turn on their government if they step out of line too much. They will see themselves in opposition after next elections. Mr. Djukanovic should keep this in mind.

On the other point of Serbian population in Montenegro. Do you realize that Orthodox Montenegrians ARE Serbs? What do you think Njegos thought he was?
It is only now that the new generation of Montenegrians are told they are not Serbs but only Montenegrians. This is also due to government influence in the way the new generation is being brought up.

They are even going to the extent of trying to establish a Montenegrian Orthodix Church which is not going to be recognized by any other Orthodox church for the very reason that they belong to the Serbian church and race. Many older Montenegrians know this but this is all designed to divide the Serbs even more.

Peggy,
Sorry, but my sarcasm was not as evident in reading the posting as I felt it was while writing: I fully agree in principle about the purpose of government, but that is not what I've noticed from "democratic" nations. From what I've seen in today's form of Modern Democracy, it is hard to see the citizen involved what so ever. There are both good and bad reasons for this evident behaviour. The average citizen usually either cannot be bothered, or is not informed enough to fully understand what is happening. Most people only get 1, maybe 2 view points of any issue, however we can all agree (I hope) that most issues have many more view points. Ideally the government has done a "fair and proper" job of refnining the numerous view points to a small set for presentation. The problem there is that "fair and just" government is not always as easy to find as one might think.

Also, I don't know how upset the Serbian peoples (from Serbia Proper) are with Montenegro's succession. It was not really contended. The one thing that is true, as BK pointed out is that Montenegro has a substantial percentage of ethnic Serbian peoples, and in the end the Serbs from both camps are likely to remain friendly with eachother. (hopefully :) )

YES.

I fully agree, Montenergo should decide on the future of Montenegro, and to the peaceful Balkans, NOT return in the past. I hope they have learned the awful lessons of the past as part of federation/union with Serbia.

They know that with Serbia you CANT progress, it is painful experience that ALL nations in F Yugoslavia admit it.

Montenegro needs assess the NEW reality of peaceful Balkans following Kosovo independence and act accordingly.

Recognising Kosovo is not haphazard act BUT IS an OBLIGATION in recognising the NEW REALITY.

Mr. Djukanovic, stop with the apologies and excuses. Finally reveal your hand.

You can't have both so just pick a side and go with it.
Although, I think you have already picked a side and are taking all this time to make it look like you really tried.

Serbia and Russia will understand your position, but you will have to understand theirs when you need help with the Albanian problem in your country and they have to do what is in their best interest too, like going with the people they can rely on and trust.

i think Milo is pretty funny i am sure he knows he is a Serb because i am a Montenegrin and we are all Serbs so this guy should leave office and we should get someone normal who has some sense in his head and kosovo is and will be OUR Serbian land just like Montenegro is Serbian land. and yes to Peggy you are right because of this if Montenegro recognises kosovo then that will be it that gives the path to albanians to take Montenegro with ease because serbia are no one else will care then.

Now, don't say that again... it's becoming ridiculous! Lol!

> He also stated that it was Montenegro's clear determination to be part of the EU and NATO, which, he added, meant sharing the foreign policy of member states of these organizations.

The EU has bypassed the issue of the recognition of this 'pseudo-state' as a bloc by leaving the decision to recognise up to individual countries - principally due to the opposition from several members.

And hence the EU has on many occasions stated that it has no official position on said recognition.

So rather than seeking to 'share' the foreign policy of some member states, Dukanovic should be seeking to emulate the position of the EU as a whole.

ie: position of Montenegro should be that until there is unanimity in the EU, it's position will be undecided.

Whether this is in fact it's position despite Dukanovic's above placatory words to 'brussels' is open to debate.

Regardless.. the ONLY reality is that as of this point in time, Montenegro has not recognised the UDI.

What about the will of the people in Montenegro? Why not let them decide?

Mr.President Milo Djukanovic
If you discuss issues now and continue to work on them, by the weekend those problems could be History.
While you won't necessarilly recognise new Independent Kosova just yet, your instincts must be telling you that what come via USA UK EU is worth making time for.
The future ain't what it used to be. 21C NEW ERA NEW WORLD.
Opss Montenegrians r not a Serb.
Thank you Montenegro

If Milo could`a he would`a.
Let`s not forget who majority in CG is,and knowing the apetite of albanians no one is stupid enough to give then anything for free anymore.

Ah yes, Montenegro.

Recognize or no SAA signatures.

Good luck with your dynamics analysis.

How is Milo Đukanović kidding you came knocking on the EU door. The EU will tell the price Montenegro will have to pay it will be more and more. Of course all of Montenegro's citizens rights to decide and self respect will have to go that goes without saying.

Matthew,
what sort of modern democracy allows the people to pick anything? Ireland made a mess for the "democracry" of the EU. What will of the people was used in the declaration of the UDI? Wasn't it just a subset of the peoples of Serbia. So since the UDI was declared without the explict will of the People, why should a recognition be any different.
If Montenegro is to recognize the UDI, then it is up to thier government to do so, hence the purpose of the government.
The Government "should" understand that there are far more micro dynamic behaviours that occur in international circles than the "average" citizen is aware of.
Ultimately it seems that Montenegro's descision will offend and insult a substantial part of it's population regardless of the choice. Montenegro's ethnically Serbian population will not be happy, and it may weaken it's relationship with Serbia Proper, if it chooses to recognize the UDI, whereas if it chooses not to, then its ethnically Albanian population could become upset and subsetquent relations with Albanian proper may not remain as positive.
I feel somewhat sorry for Milo, but at the end of the day, he wanted this job, and is paid to do it.

Good luck.

Jazzy, the purpose of the government is to govern for the people, that means the will of the people.

If they choose to ignore the will of the people they will find themselves in opposition after the next elections.

You elect someone to govern for you and that does not mean to dictate to you.

Djukanovic has proven himself a trator to the Serbian people. He will be dealt with as that. I only hope that Montenegrian Serbs are not going to pay a very high price for this man's tretchery.

jazzy, there are much more serbs in CG than albanians. and i doubt very much that all montenegrins who dont regard to themselves as serbs arent crazy about recognizing the UDI

Peggy,
Sorry, but my sarcasm was not as evident in reading the posting as I felt it was while writing: I fully agree in principle about the purpose of government, but that is not what I've noticed from "democratic" nations. From what I've seen in today's form of Modern Democracy, it is hard to see the citizen involved what so ever. There are both good and bad reasons for this evident behaviour. The average citizen usually either cannot be bothered, or is not informed enough to fully understand what is happening. Most people only get 1, maybe 2 view points of any issue, however we can all agree (I hope) that most issues have many more view points. Ideally the government has done a "fair and proper" job of refnining the numerous view points to a small set for presentation. The problem there is that "fair and just" government is not always as easy to find as one might think.

Also, I don't know how upset the Serbian peoples (from Serbia Proper) are with Montenegro's succession. It was not really contended. The one thing that is true, as BK pointed out is that Montenegro has a substantial percentage of ethnic Serbian peoples, and in the end the Serbs from both camps are likely to remain friendly with eachother. (hopefully :) )

Peggy,
Sorry, but my sarcasm was not as evident in reading the posting as I felt it was while writing: I fully agree in principle about the purpose of government, but that is not what I've noticed from "democratic" nations. From what I've seen in today's form of Modern Democracy, it is hard to see the citizen involved what so ever. There are both good and bad reasons for this evident behaviour. The average citizen usually either cannot be bothered, or is not informed enough to fully understand what is happening. Most people only get 1, maybe 2 view points of any issue, however we can all agree (I hope) that most issues have many more view points. Ideally the government has done a "fair and proper" job of refnining the numerous view points to a small set for presentation. The problem there is that "fair and just" government is not always as easy to find as one might think.

Also, I don't know how upset the Serbian peoples (from Serbia Proper) are with Montenegro's succession. It was not really contended. The one thing that is true, as BK pointed out is that Montenegro has a substantial percentage of ethnic Serbian peoples, and in the end the Serbs from both camps are likely to remain friendly with eachother. (hopefully :) )

Jazzy, I agree with you that people are not usually as informed as they should be. That is also the fault of the government as they usually dictate the position the media is to take. You would think that in a democratic society government and media are separate but we all know this is not true.

Regardless of whose fault this is, the people will turn on their government if they step out of line too much. They will see themselves in opposition after next elections. Mr. Djukanovic should keep this in mind.

On the other point of Serbian population in Montenegro. Do you realize that Orthodox Montenegrians ARE Serbs? What do you think Njegos thought he was?
It is only now that the new generation of Montenegrians are told they are not Serbs but only Montenegrians. This is also due to government influence in the way the new generation is being brought up.

They are even going to the extent of trying to establish a Montenegrian Orthodix Church which is not going to be recognized by any other Orthodox church for the very reason that they belong to the Serbian church and race. Many older Montenegrians know this but this is all designed to divide the Serbs even more.