Interpol warrant for student's arrest

PRN,

Why go to Serbia to hide. . .when you can go to 'kosova' and become elected to public office?

Unfotunately, once you committ a crime GO to Serbia for hiding.

Serbia has gained a reputation as a safe heaven for Crminals....such as Mladic, Karadgic, Hadgic ...and now also Kovacevic...

I wouldn't surprised if Bin Laden is hidden in Serbia too...

You could be right, PRN, regarding Bin Laden:
as we all agree: "Kosova eshtë Serbia"/"Kosovo je Srbija".

to prn:

Yes I also wouldn't be surprised if bin laden was in Serbia, probobly somewhere in alban inhabitted parts of Serbia, like south of Ibar at the moment.

It's so funny, all of a sudden albanians are best friends with americans, meanwhile alban terrorists tried to kill american soldiers at fort dix. What a joke.

There are some criminals convinced by Serbian court - but they live like a free bird in America. Like William Clinton, for instance. Should there be an exchange?

Otherwise few facts about the justice system in the States. The American justice system is skewed.

Basically - if someone does not know - in the States the job of the prosecutor is to convince ANYWAY - and there is MONETARY INTEREST for convincing (premium, etc). That means, the prosecutor will:

1) possibly shorter of some money
2) take a hit as a "defeat"

if there is no conviction.

Normally, the job of the prosecutor to present the case of the State to his best and pursue the truth (and not possibly hide details which would undermine his case or influence the jurors for his own benefit).

The (IMHO wrong) contra-argument is: "if the defendant hires a lawyer, it's fair for the state the hire own "lawyer" (prosecutor) and let the two fight with all means they have".

However: if the prosecutor is personally involved - that is essentially a conflict of interest.

This is why American justice system basically cannot be trusted.

An other reason: most people can afford a decent defense lawyer in BG, but not in the States. If anyone is just touched by American legal system, that is a touch of death at worst and touch of financial death at best.

A guilty has to be punished - but not beyond reason. American justice system does it well beyond reason, hence the procedure was correct. I am glad, Serbia does not extradict own citizens. However, Kovacevic has to stand trial in BG - at least it will be a fair one. Let Serbian judge(s) decide. Nothing wrong with that.

If USA feels, this cuts into it's pride: that's a false pride. Serbia is a democratic country with a justice system better than what is in the U.S. and it can properly decide who is a criminal and convince such criminals. For instance, Bill Clinton.

It's very interesting that this is big news in America, while there is nothing about the Albanian criminals with US citizenship who are now standing trial for trying to overthrow the Montenegrin government 2 years ago.

I wouldn't surprised if Bin Laden is hidden in Serbia too...
(PRN, 8 July 2008 12:11)

Yes PRN, do tell us all where in southern KosMet he is hiding...I'm sure the coalition of the willing can use your intelligence.

Here are a some facts on prison's in the US:

The country with the highest percentage of it's population in prison is the US of A.

The country with the greatest number of prisoners is also the good old US of A.

The US comprises 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population.

In an academic survey of 1,788 male inmates in Midwestern prisons, about 21% claimed they had been coerced or pressured into sexual activity during their incarceration, and 7% claimed that they had been raped in their current facility.

Estimates of the percentage of the prison population infected with hep C range from 20 to 40%.

The largest single component of the US economy is that associated with & supporting the 'department of defence'.

The second largest, is that associated with & supporting the 'department of corrections'.

In short, the US is very good at killing people & locking them up.

'Home of the brave, land of the free'.


PRN:
> Unfotunately, once you committ a crime GO to Serbia for hiding.

Wonder what you would do if faced with the same choice & options as this youngster?

Only thing different is that in pristina, could go into politics.

if it was someone else they would not search for him but since he is a Serb they want him bad ,so no deal the Americans should give serbia all its war criminals for bombing and killing innocent people, then we could talk and this was just a fight, so no .

Interpol arrest warrant, so what? Agim Ceku also had interpol arrest warrants, and 0ne political phone call set him free. That's how it works in Democratic societies. Only the average citizen must face justice.

I doubt Kovacevic even knew Bryan Steinhauer was Jewish when the fight was started by his Bosnian Muslim friend and Steinhauer. Kovacevic simply got into the middle of it after Steinhauer aggressed on Softic (head-butting), and was hit in the head by the wound-up and probably drunk Steinhauer.

The two other men involved were Bosnian nationals (including the boyfriend) yet they received a lower bond back in May and only 2nd degree charges (the judge has recently upgrader their charges to 1st degree).

Kovacevic left partly due to him getting most of the blame due to his height and appearance (and perhaps Serbian ancestry) instead of the Bosnian Muslim guys who were likely the ones who kept pummeling Steinhauer as he lay on the ground.

It was the boyfriend who was in the jealous, angry rage at Steinhauer and thought he was after and did something to his girlfriend.

Kovacevic just reacted to the hit by Steinhauer then stopped.

I doubt the Bosnian men and their attorneys are going to be telling the truth of their part as they are trying to lay it off on Kovacevic.

Kovacevic felt he was going to be railroaded.

Besides that he'd probably be singled out for abuse in a U.S. prison due to his being ethnic Serb.

And considering the high rate of AIDS and other homosexual diseases among U.S. prisoners, a years long jail sentence could be a death sentence.

Best the trial be done through telelink and he serve his time in Serbian prisons which have an extremely lower rate of diseases from homosexual activities.

Ataman,

You re-introduced your comment of yesterday by leaving out that fishy puzzling story of "debate" in that citizenship class. I think you realized in the mean time that it did not make too much sense to use it to dump on the US system in general.
You must be more unhappy here than I ever imagined. No wonder that you plan to relocate to Belgrade ASAP. There according to you every thing is just peachy. Just tell it to the converted...

Miladin Kovacevic favorite band is Pro Pain a hard core heavy metal death "Skinhead" band that fits the Neo Nazi profile

Dear Joe,

We do not plan, we already did. Don't worry, we are crazy enough to happily survive in that black hole of the world you were once part of. There are many private reasons and despite what you may think, we do not dislike USA. But USA is not 100% peachy either and I allow myself to criticize it's justice system, healthcare system, jobs not producing everything, outsourcing, education system, religious bigotry, politics and dirty business mingled together, transportation system (to name few). This November we are going to vote for CHANGE. Accept this diversity, even if as I noticed from the "Nagycsapat" web ring, we are in minority among Hungarians in the States (OK, we are not in the States anymore).

The story of the old Croatian couple+me versus the citizenship teacher is true, but I did not wanted to tell it twice. The poor lady (teacher) could not get, why premising the prosecutors for the conviction and penalizing for non-convition is conflict of interest. Obviously, in good olde Europe it's not the case. This is a conflict between European and American culture and it's where even Russia is closer to Germany than Germany to USA.

There is no doubt, American justice system is flawed and highly unfair and this is one of the many reasons. As far as Bosnians involved in the case: hope, they have their passports ready.

This was a famous case with dual passports and lucky escape:

http://www.worldlymind.org/swissboy.htm

The truth - we red it in German newspaper: there was no child abuse, incest, what-not. Simply the 11 year old boy was helping his sister to go pee-pee, she was too young to handle the clothes. That's it. A nosy witness and a local sheriff full of self-importance made a case. If not the Swiss passport, the family would be in a big doo-doo.

"Best the trial be done through telelink and he serve his time in Serbian prisons"

Then he should have done the crime in Serbia, not US. As far as jail, he is tough guy, no? let him beat others in jail like he beat a 55kg man

This kid was in NYPOST article today,the kid that he and 2 others beat still is in deep coma,not dead yet,the State department asked for extradiction the serbian interior ministry but they did not promise to extradite.what is funny that he got a lawyer in belgrade.
I think NYPD should arrest the diplomat that allowed to give him a passport to flee the US.NYPOST is all over this story.well now if he's not extradited,he will never travel to western world.

to peter in sydney.!
Yes it is true the USofA has the best military in the world,correction dept.etc.
at least the world knows who's the the judge and the jury,the USofA!!

to attaman!
where are all those paramilitary troops,serbian police,army,that committed all the atrocities in Kosova they are all in serbia,and i bet they still getting paid by the serbian goverment.
serbia has never to this day apologized to croatia,slovenia,bosnia,kosova,for all the wars in the 90's.you begged for the americans to intervene,and they bombed you.the only person for you to blame is slobo,not clinton!!I can not beleive you defending this guy,he's a fugitive and will be for the rest of he's life.
tell that to the kid's family,that's praying for his life,!!
Ilir NEW LONDON,CONNECTICUT

Ataman,

If I understand you correctly you are already in Belgrade. That was a quick move. I wish you all the best. Apparently you have a lot of courage.
As things develop even in Hungary - high inflation...most food prices, gaz higher than in the US especially if 1$=147 forint is taken in account I start to consider Hungary again as a black hole and re-consider my previous plans to spend their longer periods. The catastrophic quality of the health sector is an other factor. There are still few things there very cheap like sour cherries and water melon but one does not live on those things alone.
As for that teacher of yours it is beyond me how she took you to court. There are class discussions and disagreements but no teacher takes you to court because of that. Was there any verbal insult toward the US or something more serious that triggered the case?
And about that isolated case of 9 years ago (I never heard about) it was apparently blown out of proportion in old Europe. By most Europeans there is a terrible complex or hang up versus the US. They resent the might of this country and try to prove themselves that in certain areas they are better. They jump sometime on ridiculous isolated events to justify their views . Don't they have anything better to do? Since European countries are generally welfare states people get too much leasure time to dig in and bring up some dirt about the US. They could spend their time more judiciously but again Europe is Europe.

Unfotunately, once you committ a crime GO to Serbia for hiding.

Serbia has gained a reputation as a safe heaven for Crminals....such as Mladic, Karadgic, Hadgic ...and now also Kovacevic...

I wouldn't surprised if Bin Laden is hidden in Serbia too...

to prn:

Yes I also wouldn't be surprised if bin laden was in Serbia, probobly somewhere in alban inhabitted parts of Serbia, like south of Ibar at the moment.

It's so funny, all of a sudden albanians are best friends with americans, meanwhile alban terrorists tried to kill american soldiers at fort dix. What a joke.

Ataman,

You re-introduced your comment of yesterday by leaving out that fishy puzzling story of "debate" in that citizenship class. I think you realized in the mean time that it did not make too much sense to use it to dump on the US system in general.
You must be more unhappy here than I ever imagined. No wonder that you plan to relocate to Belgrade ASAP. There according to you every thing is just peachy. Just tell it to the converted...

I doubt Kovacevic even knew Bryan Steinhauer was Jewish when the fight was started by his Bosnian Muslim friend and Steinhauer. Kovacevic simply got into the middle of it after Steinhauer aggressed on Softic (head-butting), and was hit in the head by the wound-up and probably drunk Steinhauer.

The two other men involved were Bosnian nationals (including the boyfriend) yet they received a lower bond back in May and only 2nd degree charges (the judge has recently upgrader their charges to 1st degree).

Kovacevic left partly due to him getting most of the blame due to his height and appearance (and perhaps Serbian ancestry) instead of the Bosnian Muslim guys who were likely the ones who kept pummeling Steinhauer as he lay on the ground.

It was the boyfriend who was in the jealous, angry rage at Steinhauer and thought he was after and did something to his girlfriend.

Kovacevic just reacted to the hit by Steinhauer then stopped.

I doubt the Bosnian men and their attorneys are going to be telling the truth of their part as they are trying to lay it off on Kovacevic.

Kovacevic felt he was going to be railroaded.

Besides that he'd probably be singled out for abuse in a U.S. prison due to his being ethnic Serb.

And considering the high rate of AIDS and other homosexual diseases among U.S. prisoners, a years long jail sentence could be a death sentence.

Best the trial be done through telelink and he serve his time in Serbian prisons which have an extremely lower rate of diseases from homosexual activities.

PRN,

Why go to Serbia to hide. . .when you can go to 'kosova' and become elected to public office?

Miladin Kovacevic favorite band is Pro Pain a hard core heavy metal death "Skinhead" band that fits the Neo Nazi profile

"Best the trial be done through telelink and he serve his time in Serbian prisons"

Then he should have done the crime in Serbia, not US. As far as jail, he is tough guy, no? let him beat others in jail like he beat a 55kg man

This kid was in NYPOST article today,the kid that he and 2 others beat still is in deep coma,not dead yet,the State department asked for extradiction the serbian interior ministry but they did not promise to extradite.what is funny that he got a lawyer in belgrade.
I think NYPD should arrest the diplomat that allowed to give him a passport to flee the US.NYPOST is all over this story.well now if he's not extradited,he will never travel to western world.

to peter in sydney.!
Yes it is true the USofA has the best military in the world,correction dept.etc.
at least the world knows who's the the judge and the jury,the USofA!!

to attaman!
where are all those paramilitary troops,serbian police,army,that committed all the atrocities in Kosova they are all in serbia,and i bet they still getting paid by the serbian goverment.
serbia has never to this day apologized to croatia,slovenia,bosnia,kosova,for all the wars in the 90's.you begged for the americans to intervene,and they bombed you.the only person for you to blame is slobo,not clinton!!I can not beleive you defending this guy,he's a fugitive and will be for the rest of he's life.
tell that to the kid's family,that's praying for his life,!!
Ilir NEW LONDON,CONNECTICUT

There are some criminals convinced by Serbian court - but they live like a free bird in America. Like William Clinton, for instance. Should there be an exchange?

Otherwise few facts about the justice system in the States. The American justice system is skewed.

Basically - if someone does not know - in the States the job of the prosecutor is to convince ANYWAY - and there is MONETARY INTEREST for convincing (premium, etc). That means, the prosecutor will:

1) possibly shorter of some money
2) take a hit as a "defeat"

if there is no conviction.

Normally, the job of the prosecutor to present the case of the State to his best and pursue the truth (and not possibly hide details which would undermine his case or influence the jurors for his own benefit).

The (IMHO wrong) contra-argument is: "if the defendant hires a lawyer, it's fair for the state the hire own "lawyer" (prosecutor) and let the two fight with all means they have".

However: if the prosecutor is personally involved - that is essentially a conflict of interest.

This is why American justice system basically cannot be trusted.

An other reason: most people can afford a decent defense lawyer in BG, but not in the States. If anyone is just touched by American legal system, that is a touch of death at worst and touch of financial death at best.

A guilty has to be punished - but not beyond reason. American justice system does it well beyond reason, hence the procedure was correct. I am glad, Serbia does not extradict own citizens. However, Kovacevic has to stand trial in BG - at least it will be a fair one. Let Serbian judge(s) decide. Nothing wrong with that.

If USA feels, this cuts into it's pride: that's a false pride. Serbia is a democratic country with a justice system better than what is in the U.S. and it can properly decide who is a criminal and convince such criminals. For instance, Bill Clinton.

You could be right, PRN, regarding Bin Laden:
as we all agree: "Kosova eshtë Serbia"/"Kosovo je Srbija".

I wouldn't surprised if Bin Laden is hidden in Serbia too...
(PRN, 8 July 2008 12:11)

Yes PRN, do tell us all where in southern KosMet he is hiding...I'm sure the coalition of the willing can use your intelligence.

Here are a some facts on prison's in the US:

The country with the highest percentage of it's population in prison is the US of A.

The country with the greatest number of prisoners is also the good old US of A.

The US comprises 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population.

In an academic survey of 1,788 male inmates in Midwestern prisons, about 21% claimed they had been coerced or pressured into sexual activity during their incarceration, and 7% claimed that they had been raped in their current facility.

Estimates of the percentage of the prison population infected with hep C range from 20 to 40%.

The largest single component of the US economy is that associated with & supporting the 'department of defence'.

The second largest, is that associated with & supporting the 'department of corrections'.

In short, the US is very good at killing people & locking them up.

'Home of the brave, land of the free'.


PRN:
> Unfotunately, once you committ a crime GO to Serbia for hiding.

Wonder what you would do if faced with the same choice & options as this youngster?

Only thing different is that in pristina, could go into politics.

if it was someone else they would not search for him but since he is a Serb they want him bad ,so no deal the Americans should give serbia all its war criminals for bombing and killing innocent people, then we could talk and this was just a fight, so no .

It's very interesting that this is big news in America, while there is nothing about the Albanian criminals with US citizenship who are now standing trial for trying to overthrow the Montenegrin government 2 years ago.

Interpol arrest warrant, so what? Agim Ceku also had interpol arrest warrants, and 0ne political phone call set him free. That's how it works in Democratic societies. Only the average citizen must face justice.

Dear Joe,

We do not plan, we already did. Don't worry, we are crazy enough to happily survive in that black hole of the world you were once part of. There are many private reasons and despite what you may think, we do not dislike USA. But USA is not 100% peachy either and I allow myself to criticize it's justice system, healthcare system, jobs not producing everything, outsourcing, education system, religious bigotry, politics and dirty business mingled together, transportation system (to name few). This November we are going to vote for CHANGE. Accept this diversity, even if as I noticed from the "Nagycsapat" web ring, we are in minority among Hungarians in the States (OK, we are not in the States anymore).

The story of the old Croatian couple+me versus the citizenship teacher is true, but I did not wanted to tell it twice. The poor lady (teacher) could not get, why premising the prosecutors for the conviction and penalizing for non-convition is conflict of interest. Obviously, in good olde Europe it's not the case. This is a conflict between European and American culture and it's where even Russia is closer to Germany than Germany to USA.

There is no doubt, American justice system is flawed and highly unfair and this is one of the many reasons. As far as Bosnians involved in the case: hope, they have their passports ready.

This was a famous case with dual passports and lucky escape:

http://www.worldlymind.org/swissboy.htm

The truth - we red it in German newspaper: there was no child abuse, incest, what-not. Simply the 11 year old boy was helping his sister to go pee-pee, she was too young to handle the clothes. That's it. A nosy witness and a local sheriff full of self-importance made a case. If not the Swiss passport, the family would be in a big doo-doo.

Ataman,

If I understand you correctly you are already in Belgrade. That was a quick move. I wish you all the best. Apparently you have a lot of courage.
As things develop even in Hungary - high inflation...most food prices, gaz higher than in the US especially if 1$=147 forint is taken in account I start to consider Hungary again as a black hole and re-consider my previous plans to spend their longer periods. The catastrophic quality of the health sector is an other factor. There are still few things there very cheap like sour cherries and water melon but one does not live on those things alone.
As for that teacher of yours it is beyond me how she took you to court. There are class discussions and disagreements but no teacher takes you to court because of that. Was there any verbal insult toward the US or something more serious that triggered the case?
And about that isolated case of 9 years ago (I never heard about) it was apparently blown out of proportion in old Europe. By most Europeans there is a terrible complex or hang up versus the US. They resent the might of this country and try to prove themselves that in certain areas they are better. They jump sometime on ridiculous isolated events to justify their views . Don't they have anything better to do? Since European countries are generally welfare states people get too much leasure time to dig in and bring up some dirt about the US. They could spend their time more judiciously but again Europe is Europe.