"But Kosovo it is already an Indepedent Country and does not care what Serbia says"
That is very good to hear.
As long as Kosovo never becomes and 'IndepeNdent' country. I agree that it is now a dependency of the EU, much like british crown dependency St. Helena, something which cannot survive economically (& legally) without handouts
There really should be a spelling test for countries that wish to join the UN....
This is very positive.. as much as I don't agree with the current cabinet.. all I truly hope for is Dacic, a Kosovo Serb will have an aggressive DIPLOMATIC offensive in Kosovo.
This is what we need diplomatic victories..
-Kosovo being denied to enter the UN
-Kosovo being denied of there own army
-The UN not leaving despite what the "government" in Kosovo desires
-Not allowing the EU to enter Kosovo without approval from Serbia
-Denying Kosovo's entry into the Euro Chambers
KEEP FIGHTING SERBIA
(Nikola, 6 July 2008 22:26)
In your dreams my dear friend. You call it an offensive diplomacy? I’ll give you some facts...here we go:
- Kosovo at the moment doesn’t need army because we already have it (you know what I mean…the biggest army in the world)
- Do you think that Serbia can stop Kosova to be entered to the EU? As far as I know you are not member of EU. The stopgaps are Spain, Greece and Cyprus. Spain and Greece are not such a big problem but Cyrus is playing a hard game so it could be a little bit hard but with the ALL EU members pressing on Cyprus Kosova quickly can fix this problem.
- Kosova to be denied to enter UN? I think Russia is playing its last cards that all she got. Being independent was our first target. Second target is to have strong economy. During all this process Kosova will be recognized by all Regional states which it means that Kosova is not destabilizing the region.
"Still, at least on this forum, the violence against Romania's position is always at high level! Should we take it as a compliment? "
George, I cut and paste this paragraph from your message to highlight my answer.
Maybe you could take it as a compliment!! I am not joking! Spain, Cyprus, Greece etc. are all western countries. For too long they were behind the curtain. Apart from having an intellectually driven respect for these countries, there is not much in common.
However as village-bey pointed out, Albanians, feel (or felt) different about Romania. Not only historical links but also the pas 5-6 decades have linked our people very emotionally. Chauchescu's and Hoxha's regime were the most brutal in eastern Europe.
I don't think there was any country in the planet that benefited more from Romanian revolution than Albania. It was the execution of Chauchescu and his wife that forced our communist clique to re-think about using the army and security forces to hold on to their power.
What I believe village-bey was saying is that: We are surprised by Spain (not so much from Greece and Cyprus) but shocked by Romania, and this is all about the expectations that we had.
You are madder at a friend that back-stabs you than some unknown guy.
To illustrate this, have a look at how Serbs flush their anger towards Croatia and Slovenia, compared to other countries that have recognized Kosova.
That's why I am saying that you might take it as a compliment, we consider you a friendly nation(which I believe you are).
In my personal plan, I have known and helped many Romanians and I have truly found very similarities in our temperament and in the way of thinking.
This is by no means to justify the insults that you are complaining about, but to give you an explanation on where those are coming from. As you say in your message, Romania has nothing against Albanians, likewise we have nothing against Romania. We are only against the way the Romanian government is handling Kosova's issue.
Kosovo unfrotunatly is not gone. It is a millstone that drags Serbia down. You, the Kosovo Albanians are partially to blame, because YOU HAVE NOT given the opportunity of the "non-Albanians in Kosovo to have a decent life,free movements to all hystorical and religious places and together with Kosovan Albanians to have a right to live!!!
thanks for your reply. Indeed, a serious and decent one.
But... quote:
"What we Albanians are objecting here is the active role of your government and state towards our independence. As we do not understand Spain’s aggressive diplomacy, we are equally shocked by your state’s hostility towards our independence."
You say Kosovo Albanians are "equally shocked" [by Romanian and Spanish hostility], but still, the insults and harsh language are reserved only for Romania! This was my question - why different treatment for countries sharing same opposition toward Kosovo UDI?
I understand Albanians feelings toward Romania, and I agree with all you said about our common history and co-operation. And you and all Albanians, from Albanian or Kosovo or elsewhere, should know that Romanian 'official' hostility is targeting the situation of Kosovo self-proclamation, AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, not THE Albanians as people/neighbors. As a proof, see our support for Albania to enter NATO, at Bucharest NATO SUMMIT in April! there was not even the slightest comment in Romanian media questioning the opportunity of such decision, everybody agreed Albanians deserve to join the Alliance!
Last but not least, rest assured that Romania is practically doing nothing against Kosovo, there is no "active role" from us. For this you should be worried in regard with Serbs and Russians!
We are just keeping our reserve and position. And (as I have said before) we will not remain the last ones in EU to reject Kosovo independence, if all the others will agree on it. But for this to happen, Cyprus (and Greece) should also embrace Kosovo independence! Maybe Spain and Romania will end up accepting the situation in the field, but do you really think CYPRUS will do the same?
Here rests my amazement: among EU countries opposing Kosovo UDI, Romania is not the biggest country, not the most powerful, not the richest and not even the [possibly] most affected by Kosovo independence (compared with Cyprus). Still, at least on this forum, the violence against Romania's position is always at high level! Should we take it as a compliment?
:)
Maybe we are perceived as being vocal against Kosovo cause, but believe me, this is the effect of Kosovo media (and Serb media, too) being focused on the issue. This news story on B92 is completely absent from Romanian media, I've found it myself only here and just then I went back to Romanian newspapers websites to dig more, with no result! I mean, there is no hostility among Romanians against Albanians, the general public is not interested and maybe only if directly asked, Romanians are saying "well, I don't like separatism" - but who likes it? Not even you, Kosovo Albanians, do not like when Serbs in Northern Kosovo are talking about separating from Kosovo!
So, K Albanians, you're right to be upset on Romania, we understand. But could you please use a decent language when protesting our position/statements regarding Kosovo? We ask for nothing more than you already offer to Spaniards...
Keep fighting Serbia!! What ever the US, UK & EU OCCUPIERS says whether it is a done deal or a close issue. i agree with Nikola's points and this should be done by the new goverment in belgarde. SERBS SHOULD NOT BE FOOLED BY THE WEST.
Dear George,
Although we Albanians do not share a border with Romania, we have always been close to Romanians. We have a large and well respected Aromanian community in Albania while our Albanian community in Bucharest and elsewhere in Romania has played a major role in our national awaking. Some scholars even claim that we have a shared bloodline somewhere and hence our many similarities.
What we Albanians are objecting here is the active role of your government and state towards our independence. As we do not understand Spain’s aggressive diplomacy, we are equally shocked by your state’s hostility towards our independence. Surely, Spain and Romania have their own reasons for not recognising Kosova and that’s fair enough but to make a fight out of it is beyond us. Can Spain, for example, put an end to Basque or Catalan aspirations by taking an active diplomatic campaign against Kosova’s independence to South Americas? The paradox here is that Spain has done more to highlight her own precarious constitutional order in out part of the world and elsewhere, than any ETA bomb has ever done.
This is very positive.. as much as I don't agree with the current cabinet.. all I truly hope for is Dacic, a Kosovo Serb will have an aggressive DIPLOMATIC offensive in Kosovo.
This is what we need diplomatic victories..
-Kosovo being denied to enter the UN
-Kosovo being denied of there own army
-The UN not leaving despite what the "government" in Kosovo desires
-Not allowing the EU to enter Kosovo without approval from Serbia
Brilliant Mr. Jeremic. Make configuration on Serbia's terms to make it acceptacle to the UN therefor making EULUEX deployment as we know it now impossible because a revised one acceptable to Serbia could not be rejected by the international community with credibilty giving Serbia more internationl sympathy!!!
Genius!!
(Peter B, 6 July 2008 13:12)
Nail hit square on the head. This sums up Serbia's current strategy on Kosmet, reconfigure UNMIK on Belgrade's terms and its terms only since its the legal owner to the Province. This master move leaves the Snake and Sejdiu boxed in their little corner.
In the end, Belgrade gets control of the north and the enclaves leaving Pristina in legal limbo for the foreseeable future.
"You think US /EU will leave this a frozen conflict?"
I have every reason to believe it. The US views you as little more than convenient pawns in the larger international arena. We gave you virtual independence, you gave us a pro-American regime and real estate for Bondsteel. That's all we really need. That's all we're really interested in. Should a "frozen conflict" be avoided, I see no other avenue but negotiating with Belgrade.
Quote:
"Yesterday, Moratinos confirmed that Spain will not change its position on Kosovo.
"As you know, Spain has not recognized the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo. The framework for our action is that stability in the region must be secured."
For Benny, Olf, Eagle, Agim, PRN, Behar, KV, EA, PROUD2BKOSOVAR, Doni and other Albanian posters:
Guys, you were so harsh and quick in criticizing (and also insulting) my country, Romania, just couple days ago when Romanian President said the same things like Moratinos... Now, I see no Albanian harsh reply addressed to Spain?!?????
Why the double standard?
Just because we are neighbors with Serbia? Or just because (you may think that) Spain is "more important than Romania" on the long run, and, therefore, it should be not offended?
Any (serious) explanation of this situation would be welcomed.
Oh, and please, the Albanian gentleman who believes that Romania is part of a "Slavic" regional plot together with Russia and Serbia, could you be so kind and abstain from posting this idea again? Thank you.
Mr.FM of Serbia:Until when you are going to carry on as nothing happened,nothing has changed,it is only a bad dream?!!!
Kosovo is gone my friend!!!
Your job,our job as a Kosovan Albanians and all the rest of EU or UN, is that other non-Albanians in Kosovo have a decent life,free movements to all hystorical and religious places and together with Kosovan Albanians to have a right to live!!!
The rest is not important!
It seems to me that the new government in BG is looking to consolidate its hold on the Serb sectors of Kosovo Province more than anything else. This is sound considering the UN has now pretty much given tacit approval to the Serb Assembly. In this case, UNMIK will pull back to these sectors and work with BG.
Doing so however, does not mean that ZES-SPS has recognized Kosovo's independence. Rather, it's something similar to Cyprus. Nicosia understands the limits of its authority to the center and southern halves of the island, but does not recognize Turkish authority in the north as legitimate. I'd probably go so far to say that BG will maybe look to EULEX as the authoritative body in Pristina only.
At this point, most of this is just semantics as political authority is consolidating around the real fault lines in Kosovo, leading to effective political and administrative partition. If this was the ultimate goal of BG all along, they've certainly succeeded in their objectives.
Brilliant Mr. Jeremic. Make configuration on Serbia's terms to make it acceptacle to the UN therefor making EULUEX deployment as we know it now impossible because a revised one acceptable to Serbia could not be rejected by the international community with credibilty giving Serbia more internationl sympathy!!!
The logic is one for all people. How can Serbia accept EULEX and no recognize Kosovo's independence? This is a sharp contradiction, which undermine Serbia's credibility in the international arena. The essential aim of EULEX is to implement Kosovo's independence, to build a new State, a new nation and to lead this new State into the EU as a new member State. If Serbia will accept EULEX, this is logically the same as the recognition of Kosovo's independence. The new gouvernment must be clear to the citizens, in Belgrade and in Kosovo, and to Russia and to the entire world. Otherwise all that remains is the ridicolous of a State, which don't have the courage to take your own responsibilities and therefore will lose the respect of everyone. Such a State will never be a EU member State.
The logic is one for all people. How can Serbia accept EULEX and no recognize Kosovo's independence? This is a sharp contradiction, which undermine Serbia's credibility in the international arena. The essential aim of EULEX is to implement Kosovo's independence, to build a new State, a new nation and to lead this new State into the EU as a new member State. If Serbia will accept EULEX, this is logically the same as the recognition of Kosovo's independence. The new gouvernment must be clear to the citizens, in Belgrade and in Kosovo, and to Russia and to the entire world. Otherwise all that remains is the ridicolous of a State, which don't have the courage to take your own responsibilities and therefore will lose the respect of everyone. Such a State will never be a EU member State.
Quote:
"Yesterday, Moratinos confirmed that Spain will not change its position on Kosovo.
"As you know, Spain has not recognized the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo. The framework for our action is that stability in the region must be secured."
For Benny, Olf, Eagle, Agim, PRN, Behar, KV, EA, PROUD2BKOSOVAR, Doni and other Albanian posters:
Guys, you were so harsh and quick in criticizing (and also insulting) my country, Romania, just couple days ago when Romanian President said the same things like Moratinos... Now, I see no Albanian harsh reply addressed to Spain?!?????
Why the double standard?
Just because we are neighbors with Serbia? Or just because (you may think that) Spain is "more important than Romania" on the long run, and, therefore, it should be not offended?
Any (serious) explanation of this situation would be welcomed.
Oh, and please, the Albanian gentleman who believes that Romania is part of a "Slavic" regional plot together with Russia and Serbia, could you be so kind and abstain from posting this idea again? Thank you.
This is very positive.. as much as I don't agree with the current cabinet.. all I truly hope for is Dacic, a Kosovo Serb will have an aggressive DIPLOMATIC offensive in Kosovo.
This is what we need diplomatic victories..
-Kosovo being denied to enter the UN
-Kosovo being denied of there own army
-The UN not leaving despite what the "government" in Kosovo desires
-Not allowing the EU to enter Kosovo without approval from Serbia
Dear George,
Although we Albanians do not share a border with Romania, we have always been close to Romanians. We have a large and well respected Aromanian community in Albania while our Albanian community in Bucharest and elsewhere in Romania has played a major role in our national awaking. Some scholars even claim that we have a shared bloodline somewhere and hence our many similarities.
What we Albanians are objecting here is the active role of your government and state towards our independence. As we do not understand Spain’s aggressive diplomacy, we are equally shocked by your state’s hostility towards our independence. Surely, Spain and Romania have their own reasons for not recognising Kosova and that’s fair enough but to make a fight out of it is beyond us. Can Spain, for example, put an end to Basque or Catalan aspirations by taking an active diplomatic campaign against Kosova’s independence to South Americas? The paradox here is that Spain has done more to highlight her own precarious constitutional order in out part of the world and elsewhere, than any ETA bomb has ever done.
Brilliant Mr. Jeremic. Make configuration on Serbia's terms to make it acceptacle to the UN therefor making EULUEX deployment as we know it now impossible because a revised one acceptable to Serbia could not be rejected by the international community with credibilty giving Serbia more internationl sympathy!!!
Genius!!
(Peter B, 6 July 2008 13:12)
Nail hit square on the head. This sums up Serbia's current strategy on Kosmet, reconfigure UNMIK on Belgrade's terms and its terms only since its the legal owner to the Province. This master move leaves the Snake and Sejdiu boxed in their little corner.
In the end, Belgrade gets control of the north and the enclaves leaving Pristina in legal limbo for the foreseeable future.
"You think US /EU will leave this a frozen conflict?"
I have every reason to believe it. The US views you as little more than convenient pawns in the larger international arena. We gave you virtual independence, you gave us a pro-American regime and real estate for Bondsteel. That's all we really need. That's all we're really interested in. Should a "frozen conflict" be avoided, I see no other avenue but negotiating with Belgrade.
It seems to me that the new government in BG is looking to consolidate its hold on the Serb sectors of Kosovo Province more than anything else. This is sound considering the UN has now pretty much given tacit approval to the Serb Assembly. In this case, UNMIK will pull back to these sectors and work with BG.
Doing so however, does not mean that ZES-SPS has recognized Kosovo's independence. Rather, it's something similar to Cyprus. Nicosia understands the limits of its authority to the center and southern halves of the island, but does not recognize Turkish authority in the north as legitimate. I'd probably go so far to say that BG will maybe look to EULEX as the authoritative body in Pristina only.
At this point, most of this is just semantics as political authority is consolidating around the real fault lines in Kosovo, leading to effective political and administrative partition. If this was the ultimate goal of BG all along, they've certainly succeeded in their objectives.
thanks for your reply. Indeed, a serious and decent one.
But... quote:
"What we Albanians are objecting here is the active role of your government and state towards our independence. As we do not understand Spain’s aggressive diplomacy, we are equally shocked by your state’s hostility towards our independence."
You say Kosovo Albanians are "equally shocked" [by Romanian and Spanish hostility], but still, the insults and harsh language are reserved only for Romania! This was my question - why different treatment for countries sharing same opposition toward Kosovo UDI?
I understand Albanians feelings toward Romania, and I agree with all you said about our common history and co-operation. And you and all Albanians, from Albanian or Kosovo or elsewhere, should know that Romanian 'official' hostility is targeting the situation of Kosovo self-proclamation, AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, not THE Albanians as people/neighbors. As a proof, see our support for Albania to enter NATO, at Bucharest NATO SUMMIT in April! there was not even the slightest comment in Romanian media questioning the opportunity of such decision, everybody agreed Albanians deserve to join the Alliance!
Last but not least, rest assured that Romania is practically doing nothing against Kosovo, there is no "active role" from us. For this you should be worried in regard with Serbs and Russians!
We are just keeping our reserve and position. And (as I have said before) we will not remain the last ones in EU to reject Kosovo independence, if all the others will agree on it. But for this to happen, Cyprus (and Greece) should also embrace Kosovo independence! Maybe Spain and Romania will end up accepting the situation in the field, but do you really think CYPRUS will do the same?
Here rests my amazement: among EU countries opposing Kosovo UDI, Romania is not the biggest country, not the most powerful, not the richest and not even the [possibly] most affected by Kosovo independence (compared with Cyprus). Still, at least on this forum, the violence against Romania's position is always at high level! Should we take it as a compliment?
:)
Maybe we are perceived as being vocal against Kosovo cause, but believe me, this is the effect of Kosovo media (and Serb media, too) being focused on the issue. This news story on B92 is completely absent from Romanian media, I've found it myself only here and just then I went back to Romanian newspapers websites to dig more, with no result! I mean, there is no hostility among Romanians against Albanians, the general public is not interested and maybe only if directly asked, Romanians are saying "well, I don't like separatism" - but who likes it? Not even you, Kosovo Albanians, do not like when Serbs in Northern Kosovo are talking about separating from Kosovo!
So, K Albanians, you're right to be upset on Romania, we understand. But could you please use a decent language when protesting our position/statements regarding Kosovo? We ask for nothing more than you already offer to Spaniards...
Brilliant Mr. Jeremic. Make configuration on Serbia's terms to make it acceptacle to the UN therefor making EULUEX deployment as we know it now impossible because a revised one acceptable to Serbia could not be rejected by the international community with credibilty giving Serbia more internationl sympathy!!!
Mr.FM of Serbia:Until when you are going to carry on as nothing happened,nothing has changed,it is only a bad dream?!!!
Kosovo is gone my friend!!!
Your job,our job as a Kosovan Albanians and all the rest of EU or UN, is that other non-Albanians in Kosovo have a decent life,free movements to all hystorical and religious places and together with Kosovan Albanians to have a right to live!!!
The rest is not important!
"Still, at least on this forum, the violence against Romania's position is always at high level! Should we take it as a compliment? "
George, I cut and paste this paragraph from your message to highlight my answer.
Maybe you could take it as a compliment!! I am not joking! Spain, Cyprus, Greece etc. are all western countries. For too long they were behind the curtain. Apart from having an intellectually driven respect for these countries, there is not much in common.
However as village-bey pointed out, Albanians, feel (or felt) different about Romania. Not only historical links but also the pas 5-6 decades have linked our people very emotionally. Chauchescu's and Hoxha's regime were the most brutal in eastern Europe.
I don't think there was any country in the planet that benefited more from Romanian revolution than Albania. It was the execution of Chauchescu and his wife that forced our communist clique to re-think about using the army and security forces to hold on to their power.
What I believe village-bey was saying is that: We are surprised by Spain (not so much from Greece and Cyprus) but shocked by Romania, and this is all about the expectations that we had.
You are madder at a friend that back-stabs you than some unknown guy.
To illustrate this, have a look at how Serbs flush their anger towards Croatia and Slovenia, compared to other countries that have recognized Kosova.
That's why I am saying that you might take it as a compliment, we consider you a friendly nation(which I believe you are).
In my personal plan, I have known and helped many Romanians and I have truly found very similarities in our temperament and in the way of thinking.
This is by no means to justify the insults that you are complaining about, but to give you an explanation on where those are coming from. As you say in your message, Romania has nothing against Albanians, likewise we have nothing against Romania. We are only against the way the Romanian government is handling Kosova's issue.
Keep fighting Serbia!! What ever the US, UK & EU OCCUPIERS says whether it is a done deal or a close issue. i agree with Nikola's points and this should be done by the new goverment in belgarde. SERBS SHOULD NOT BE FOOLED BY THE WEST.
Kosovo unfrotunatly is not gone. It is a millstone that drags Serbia down. You, the Kosovo Albanians are partially to blame, because YOU HAVE NOT given the opportunity of the "non-Albanians in Kosovo to have a decent life,free movements to all hystorical and religious places and together with Kosovan Albanians to have a right to live!!!
This is very positive.. as much as I don't agree with the current cabinet.. all I truly hope for is Dacic, a Kosovo Serb will have an aggressive DIPLOMATIC offensive in Kosovo.
This is what we need diplomatic victories..
-Kosovo being denied to enter the UN
-Kosovo being denied of there own army
-The UN not leaving despite what the "government" in Kosovo desires
-Not allowing the EU to enter Kosovo without approval from Serbia
-Denying Kosovo's entry into the Euro Chambers
KEEP FIGHTING SERBIA
(Nikola, 6 July 2008 22:26)
In your dreams my dear friend. You call it an offensive diplomacy? I’ll give you some facts...here we go:
- Kosovo at the moment doesn’t need army because we already have it (you know what I mean…the biggest army in the world)
- Do you think that Serbia can stop Kosova to be entered to the EU? As far as I know you are not member of EU. The stopgaps are Spain, Greece and Cyprus. Spain and Greece are not such a big problem but Cyrus is playing a hard game so it could be a little bit hard but with the ALL EU members pressing on Cyprus Kosova quickly can fix this problem.
- Kosova to be denied to enter UN? I think Russia is playing its last cards that all she got. Being independent was our first target. Second target is to have strong economy. During all this process Kosova will be recognized by all Regional states which it means that Kosova is not destabilizing the region.
"But Kosovo it is already an Indepedent Country and does not care what Serbia says"
That is very good to hear.
As long as Kosovo never becomes and 'IndepeNdent' country. I agree that it is now a dependency of the EU, much like british crown dependency St. Helena, something which cannot survive economically (& legally) without handouts
There really should be a spelling test for countries that wish to join the UN....
Dear George,
Although we Albanians do not share a border with Romania, we have always been close to Romanians. We have a large and well respected Aromanian community in Albania while our Albanian community in Bucharest and elsewhere in Romania has played a major role in our national awaking. Some scholars even claim that we have a shared bloodline somewhere and hence our many similarities.
What we Albanians are objecting here is the active role of your government and state towards our independence. As we do not understand Spain’s aggressive diplomacy, we are equally shocked by your state’s hostility towards our independence. Surely, Spain and Romania have their own reasons for not recognising Kosova and that’s fair enough but to make a fight out of it is beyond us. Can Spain, for example, put an end to Basque or Catalan aspirations by taking an active diplomatic campaign against Kosova’s independence to South Americas? The paradox here is that Spain has done more to highlight her own precarious constitutional order in out part of the world and elsewhere, than any ETA bomb has ever done.
Mr.FM of Serbia:Until when you are going to carry on as nothing happened,nothing has changed,it is only a bad dream?!!!
Kosovo is gone my friend!!!
Your job,our job as a Kosovan Albanians and all the rest of EU or UN, is that other non-Albanians in Kosovo have a decent life,free movements to all hystorical and religious places and together with Kosovan Albanians to have a right to live!!!
The rest is not important!
Brilliant Mr. Jeremic. Make configuration on Serbia's terms to make it acceptacle to the UN therefor making EULUEX deployment as we know it now impossible because a revised one acceptable to Serbia could not be rejected by the international community with credibilty giving Serbia more internationl sympathy!!!
Genius!!
(Peter B, 6 July 2008 13:12)
Nail hit square on the head. This sums up Serbia's current strategy on Kosmet, reconfigure UNMIK on Belgrade's terms and its terms only since its the legal owner to the Province. This master move leaves the Snake and Sejdiu boxed in their little corner.
In the end, Belgrade gets control of the north and the enclaves leaving Pristina in legal limbo for the foreseeable future.
"Still, at least on this forum, the violence against Romania's position is always at high level! Should we take it as a compliment? "
George, I cut and paste this paragraph from your message to highlight my answer.
Maybe you could take it as a compliment!! I am not joking! Spain, Cyprus, Greece etc. are all western countries. For too long they were behind the curtain. Apart from having an intellectually driven respect for these countries, there is not much in common.
However as village-bey pointed out, Albanians, feel (or felt) different about Romania. Not only historical links but also the pas 5-6 decades have linked our people very emotionally. Chauchescu's and Hoxha's regime were the most brutal in eastern Europe.
I don't think there was any country in the planet that benefited more from Romanian revolution than Albania. It was the execution of Chauchescu and his wife that forced our communist clique to re-think about using the army and security forces to hold on to their power.
What I believe village-bey was saying is that: We are surprised by Spain (not so much from Greece and Cyprus) but shocked by Romania, and this is all about the expectations that we had.
You are madder at a friend that back-stabs you than some unknown guy.
To illustrate this, have a look at how Serbs flush their anger towards Croatia and Slovenia, compared to other countries that have recognized Kosova.
That's why I am saying that you might take it as a compliment, we consider you a friendly nation(which I believe you are).
In my personal plan, I have known and helped many Romanians and I have truly found very similarities in our temperament and in the way of thinking.
This is by no means to justify the insults that you are complaining about, but to give you an explanation on where those are coming from. As you say in your message, Romania has nothing against Albanians, likewise we have nothing against Romania. We are only against the way the Romanian government is handling Kosova's issue.
Brilliant Mr. Jeremic. Make configuration on Serbia's terms to make it acceptacle to the UN therefor making EULUEX deployment as we know it now impossible because a revised one acceptable to Serbia could not be rejected by the international community with credibilty giving Serbia more internationl sympathy!!!
The logic is one for all people. How can Serbia accept EULEX and no recognize Kosovo's independence? This is a sharp contradiction, which undermine Serbia's credibility in the international arena. The essential aim of EULEX is to implement Kosovo's independence, to build a new State, a new nation and to lead this new State into the EU as a new member State. If Serbia will accept EULEX, this is logically the same as the recognition of Kosovo's independence. The new gouvernment must be clear to the citizens, in Belgrade and in Kosovo, and to Russia and to the entire world. Otherwise all that remains is the ridicolous of a State, which don't have the courage to take your own responsibilities and therefore will lose the respect of everyone. Such a State will never be a EU member State.
It seems to me that the new government in BG is looking to consolidate its hold on the Serb sectors of Kosovo Province more than anything else. This is sound considering the UN has now pretty much given tacit approval to the Serb Assembly. In this case, UNMIK will pull back to these sectors and work with BG.
Doing so however, does not mean that ZES-SPS has recognized Kosovo's independence. Rather, it's something similar to Cyprus. Nicosia understands the limits of its authority to the center and southern halves of the island, but does not recognize Turkish authority in the north as legitimate. I'd probably go so far to say that BG will maybe look to EULEX as the authoritative body in Pristina only.
At this point, most of this is just semantics as political authority is consolidating around the real fault lines in Kosovo, leading to effective political and administrative partition. If this was the ultimate goal of BG all along, they've certainly succeeded in their objectives.
Quote:
"Yesterday, Moratinos confirmed that Spain will not change its position on Kosovo.
"As you know, Spain has not recognized the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo. The framework for our action is that stability in the region must be secured."
For Benny, Olf, Eagle, Agim, PRN, Behar, KV, EA, PROUD2BKOSOVAR, Doni and other Albanian posters:
Guys, you were so harsh and quick in criticizing (and also insulting) my country, Romania, just couple days ago when Romanian President said the same things like Moratinos... Now, I see no Albanian harsh reply addressed to Spain?!?????
Why the double standard?
Just because we are neighbors with Serbia? Or just because (you may think that) Spain is "more important than Romania" on the long run, and, therefore, it should be not offended?
Any (serious) explanation of this situation would be welcomed.
Oh, and please, the Albanian gentleman who believes that Romania is part of a "Slavic" regional plot together with Russia and Serbia, could you be so kind and abstain from posting this idea again? Thank you.
This is very positive.. as much as I don't agree with the current cabinet.. all I truly hope for is Dacic, a Kosovo Serb will have an aggressive DIPLOMATIC offensive in Kosovo.
This is what we need diplomatic victories..
-Kosovo being denied to enter the UN
-Kosovo being denied of there own army
-The UN not leaving despite what the "government" in Kosovo desires
-Not allowing the EU to enter Kosovo without approval from Serbia
"You think US /EU will leave this a frozen conflict?"
I have every reason to believe it. The US views you as little more than convenient pawns in the larger international arena. We gave you virtual independence, you gave us a pro-American regime and real estate for Bondsteel. That's all we really need. That's all we're really interested in. Should a "frozen conflict" be avoided, I see no other avenue but negotiating with Belgrade.
Keep fighting Serbia!! What ever the US, UK & EU OCCUPIERS says whether it is a done deal or a close issue. i agree with Nikola's points and this should be done by the new goverment in belgarde. SERBS SHOULD NOT BE FOOLED BY THE WEST.
thanks for your reply. Indeed, a serious and decent one.
But... quote:
"What we Albanians are objecting here is the active role of your government and state towards our independence. As we do not understand Spain’s aggressive diplomacy, we are equally shocked by your state’s hostility towards our independence."
You say Kosovo Albanians are "equally shocked" [by Romanian and Spanish hostility], but still, the insults and harsh language are reserved only for Romania! This was my question - why different treatment for countries sharing same opposition toward Kosovo UDI?
I understand Albanians feelings toward Romania, and I agree with all you said about our common history and co-operation. And you and all Albanians, from Albanian or Kosovo or elsewhere, should know that Romanian 'official' hostility is targeting the situation of Kosovo self-proclamation, AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, not THE Albanians as people/neighbors. As a proof, see our support for Albania to enter NATO, at Bucharest NATO SUMMIT in April! there was not even the slightest comment in Romanian media questioning the opportunity of such decision, everybody agreed Albanians deserve to join the Alliance!
Last but not least, rest assured that Romania is practically doing nothing against Kosovo, there is no "active role" from us. For this you should be worried in regard with Serbs and Russians!
We are just keeping our reserve and position. And (as I have said before) we will not remain the last ones in EU to reject Kosovo independence, if all the others will agree on it. But for this to happen, Cyprus (and Greece) should also embrace Kosovo independence! Maybe Spain and Romania will end up accepting the situation in the field, but do you really think CYPRUS will do the same?
Here rests my amazement: among EU countries opposing Kosovo UDI, Romania is not the biggest country, not the most powerful, not the richest and not even the [possibly] most affected by Kosovo independence (compared with Cyprus). Still, at least on this forum, the violence against Romania's position is always at high level! Should we take it as a compliment?
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Maybe we are perceived as being vocal against Kosovo cause, but believe me, this is the effect of Kosovo media (and Serb media, too) being focused on the issue. This news story on B92 is completely absent from Romanian media, I've found it myself only here and just then I went back to Romanian newspapers websites to dig more, with no result! I mean, there is no hostility among Romanians against Albanians, the general public is not interested and maybe only if directly asked, Romanians are saying "well, I don't like separatism" - but who likes it? Not even you, Kosovo Albanians, do not like when Serbs in Northern Kosovo are talking about separating from Kosovo!
So, K Albanians, you're right to be upset on Romania, we understand. But could you please use a decent language when protesting our position/statements regarding Kosovo? We ask for nothing more than you already offer to Spaniards...
Kosovo unfrotunatly is not gone. It is a millstone that drags Serbia down. You, the Kosovo Albanians are partially to blame, because YOU HAVE NOT given the opportunity of the "non-Albanians in Kosovo to have a decent life,free movements to all hystorical and religious places and together with Kosovan Albanians to have a right to live!!!
"But Kosovo it is already an Indepedent Country and does not care what Serbia says"
That is very good to hear.
As long as Kosovo never becomes and 'IndepeNdent' country. I agree that it is now a dependency of the EU, much like british crown dependency St. Helena, something which cannot survive economically (& legally) without handouts
There really should be a spelling test for countries that wish to join the UN....
This is very positive.. as much as I don't agree with the current cabinet.. all I truly hope for is Dacic, a Kosovo Serb will have an aggressive DIPLOMATIC offensive in Kosovo.
This is what we need diplomatic victories..
-Kosovo being denied to enter the UN
-Kosovo being denied of there own army
-The UN not leaving despite what the "government" in Kosovo desires
-Not allowing the EU to enter Kosovo without approval from Serbia
-Denying Kosovo's entry into the Euro Chambers
KEEP FIGHTING SERBIA
(Nikola, 6 July 2008 22:26)
In your dreams my dear friend. You call it an offensive diplomacy? I’ll give you some facts...here we go:
- Kosovo at the moment doesn’t need army because we already have it (you know what I mean…the biggest army in the world)
- Do you think that Serbia can stop Kosova to be entered to the EU? As far as I know you are not member of EU. The stopgaps are Spain, Greece and Cyprus. Spain and Greece are not such a big problem but Cyrus is playing a hard game so it could be a little bit hard but with the ALL EU members pressing on Cyprus Kosova quickly can fix this problem.
- Kosova to be denied to enter UN? I think Russia is playing its last cards that all she got. Being independent was our first target. Second target is to have strong economy. During all this process Kosova will be recognized by all Regional states which it means that Kosova is not destabilizing the region.
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