Medvedev: Kosovo precedent dangerous

While all the Eurocrats seem to be driven by massive egos and self-importance, I don't think that Ban is like this at all.

I think that he's trying to tread a fine line and keep things calm, when this on-the-fence attitude is actually likely to stoke up major problems.

The Security Council is the only place that any alterations to its Resolution 1244, or change to mandate can be accepted or rejected.

There should be a full scale debate immediately. If the SC is bypassed over this, and Russia and China ignored, then they may as well disband the UN now.

Obviously Ban made a decision on his own and bypassing the UNSC. Russia and China should appraise him if he's still worth it to be UN Chief. We need a UN chief who listens to the UNSC and a protector of the UN charter

Dear Mr. Medvedev,

Kosovo is history and NOT YET set any precedent.

Neither would Chechnya indepedence set any precedent.

A terror precedent was set by Serbia and Russia towards indefensive people in ex-YU and former USSR rescpetively.

It is incredible how far hypocritical rhetoric can go.

Cheers

What a wise man! To bad that 42 countries are being bought by the US instead..

Ban Kim Moon (like any S. Korean, or Japanese) politician, is 100% aligned with US, as far as international matters are concerned.

Many things will depend on the attack that little USA (israel) is planning against IRAN.

A combined disaster on Iraq, Afganistan,Iran will bring Kosovo back to Serbia, much earlier (less than 10-20 years) than anticipated (50-60 years).

I noticed this "naive" posting of Miri, and decided to write on this article- since usually I tend to ignore the banalities that are coming to often from Moscow and Belgrade.

Miri was asking the Greek in loved with teh Albanian culture Pyrro how do he think that Kosova will go back to Serbia without using the force?

It's exactly the force that made Kosova to be part of Yugo/Serbia.

In Pyrros "analysis" = wishes lays the hope that the US and west crumble in Middle East so they could apply FORCE in Kosova and reintegrate Kosova within Serbia.

The Serbian and PRO-Serbian main and unique argument is and was teh FORCE- not teh MORAL right- they don't care about rights and MORAL.

See Medvedev:

Kosova is "extremely dangerous and unsuccessful" story he says.

Dangerous: why? to respect the will of the DEMOS is dangerous? Moreover extremely dangerous? This makes laugh even the chickens ;)

this is the understanding of the democracy of the "defenders" of the international law ;)

Unsuccessful: why unsuccessful? Yesterday a report was showing that KFOR (that means teh concrete, tangible AMERICA and EU) are the most trusted in Kosova.

Does a success for you Mr Medvedev mean Chechnya? Can we go there and ask Chechnyans how much they trust teh Russian Army? and compare these SUCESSES- do you mind to do this comparative study Mr Medvedev- the “defender” of the international law? ;)

Kosova is the MOST successful story of the democracies after the WW 2, Korean War and the defeat of iron cage.

I do understand that this frustrates you Mr Medvedev you wish that the apocalypse happen after the Kosovas independence but the FACT is the there is PEACE.

If you really wish an apocalypse in Kosova than you and your Serbs should send an Army there- otherwise if you live Kosovars on their own and don’t bother them there will be PEACE in Kosova for ETERNITY.

Your frustration is even bigger due to the fact that you do not have even ONE SINGE successful story: Eastern Europe is your success? Chechnya? Afghanistan? Baltic Republics? Caspian area? Enlighten me please.

pres.medvedev is right. absolutely kosovo is a precedent. thats why the number of countries which recognized has dwindled and became stagnant at 42. most of the 42 are controlled by US in one way or another. the recognition was like a fireworks which lighted very quickly at first and slowly faded away as time passed. separatism should not be tolerated as it will lead the world into catastrophe and chaos. why the US is focusing on kosovo? and not in sudan or zimbabwe? military strategy my friends!!! adriatic power and balkan control.

Hello miri!
Its been ages since i last saw you on illiria boards :)

To answer your question, yes i mean force.
Kosovo was taken away by force numerous times, and it was regained by force.
Sorry.

"…. Or are you still thinking about using force?

Miri, force is one of the options, of course, if peaceful means don't get results.

That sad, I don't think that Serbs will begin next war on Balkans. It will probably come from Albanian efforts to form "Dardania".

It is difficult to predict the future, but one thing is certain - there will be plenty of violence in the future as it always was. Neither you nor we will ever stop fighting over this land.

"…. successful story: … Enlighten me please…."

Ben,

I doubt that Mr. Medvedev will find a time to enlighten you. He has more important things to do. For the time being Russia will concentrate of making real success story of Russia. http://en.rian.ru/business/20070911/78010350.html http://www.russiaprofile.org/page.php?pageid=Business+New+Europe&articleid=a1213950469

Other success will come later, be patient. Time is on the Russian side http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Russian successes, contribution to the mankind in science, technology, culture, arts, sports, are enormous. I'm suprised that you are not aware of them? Just do a Google search if you are interested.

"A combined disaster on Iraq, Afganistan,Iran will bring Kosovo back to Serbia, much earlier (less than 10-20 years) than anticipated (50-60 years).
(Pyrros, 3 July 2008 14:22)"

Would you be kind enough to elaborate on this? How do you think it will happen with only 5% of population being Serbs?

Or are you still thinking about using force?

EA, for once I agree with you. Some politicians should be spoken to bluntly.

George W Bush should get a severe tongue lashing. Oh wait, he is getting precisely that, but from his own people no less.

He is the most unpopular president in history.
Americans are in a dilma because they don't have anyone to vote for this time as all candidates are basically the same as what they have already.

You have some cheek to speak to the Russian president so bluntly when he is very popular with his own people and the rest of the world doesn't mock him either.

I suppose your KLA lot in Kosovo deserve a lot more than the Russian president.

EA: "We all know Russia's views on this matter so why bothering asking Russia (veto yelding member of the Security Council)?"

We all know the US/UK/France view on this which is exactly WHY it has to go back to the Security Council.

If all nations don't have the right to an opinion, then what use is international law, the UN or the global safeguards?

Ever since Kosova was free from Serb regime, Russia made a lot of "contribution" to stabilize the situation of Kosova. It supported every move of the SRS and SPS, the two most "positive contributors" of the Balkans throughout past decades and they continue to do so. They continue to claim that the independence will set a precedent in other regions in the world, a statement that has been stopped being used even by serb diplomats. While we're at it, even the term "Lazna drzava Kosovo" has faded away.
The new Russian leader has to come up with some new statement, maybe rephrase the old statements just to be more convincing than.

We all know Russia's views on this matter so why bothering asking Russia (veto yelding member of the Security Council)? I am sorry to be so blunt but some polititicans need to be spoken blantly.

PRN:
> Kosovo is history and NOT YET set any precedent.
> Neither would Chechnya indepedence set any precedent.

Your viewpoint on this is irrelevant.

What is relevant however, is how other separatist groups view the matter. They will grab any pretext to further their aims & will indeed use the case of the K-albanian UDI as a precedent.

> A terror precedent was set by Serbia and Russia towards indefensive people in ex-YU and former USSR rescpetively.
> It is incredible how far hypocritical rhetoric can go.

The use of terror - whether state sponsored or by separatist groups has been going on through all of human history & your reference to a 'terror precedent' being established is meaningless.

Also, ex-communist regimes of Yugoslavia & USSR are gone and attempting to equate them with the present governments in Serbia & Russia is misleading & inaccurate.

But all of this won't stop you & those like you from spouting this nonsense...
...is indeed incredible how far hypocritical rhetoric can go.

Cheers.


China:
Is true that China did not oppose 'Ban's proposal on reconfiguration of UNMIK.
Is also true that China does not recognise K-albanian UDI.

ps: pity about that double-fault - did not deserve to go out that way.


Dugi:
> YOU CAN’T GO BACK TO KOSOVA
No such place.. but by all means keep 'shouting'.


ben:
> Kosova is the MOST successful story of the democracies after the WW 2, Korean War and the defeat of iron cage.

http://xs4.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=51597


rolerkoster:
> some answers given here to Miri are persuading me that it is BETTER to recognise the UDI of Kosovo.
As if you needed any persuasion.

It would be nice if you all would not try dictating the policies of China. If you view the telecast of the UNSC you will see that China praised Ban for his proposal. China does feel that talks should resume on the matter of status but they did not voice any opposition to reconfiguration as proposed.
AS far as Ban goes he feels that he is within his mandate and it will take a consensus of the UNSC to block that.
Kate --"Massive egos" isn't that like Catherine Zeta-Jones calling Hillary Clinton beautiful?

The world is facing much bigger problems – THE WEST can’t deal with Serbs being back in Kosovo again , so they going to be blunt on their statements – YOU CAN’T GO BACK TO KOSOVA

some answers given here to Miri are persuading me that it is BETTER to recognise the UDI of Kosovo. I consider it a shame to use violence as an option in this discussion - so Serbs should rule themselves with violence, if they like, but no others anymore.

concerning Mr. Medvedev: how can he talk such nonsense 20 years after soviet violence in Prague?

I agree; Mr. Medvedev doesn’t consider the Kosovo issue as sui generis, since Russians had never been concerned that much about the principles that standardize the term SUI GENERIS. In other words, what are mostly civilians killed, massacred, bombarded etc. this isn’t sui generis because Russians have “seen” much more of these deeds in the history and Kosovo case is not something different. Mr.. Medvedev displays a pure naïvity either deliberately or accidentally when concluding that Europe will need decades to sort Kosovo issue out, and suggests UN to tackle with.. We all know the Europe’s advantages and overall capacities comparing to the weakly UN administration and its chronic bureaucracy.
In the end; I wouldn’t trust someone who declares that recognition by 43 states (the most powerful states among them, nowadays) is nothing and slow progress. I think, my dear Serbian friends, that this is only an extra Russian bluff to take advantage this time on your back for their strategic goals. It happened many times up to now, don’t you remember?

Kate,

Did you mean by "global safeguards" Russia veto? We all know that but to be honest Kate if you look into it who has more relevance in decision making USA/FRANCE/GREAT BRATAIN/ITALY or Russia?
Ps. I heared recently that if Mckein is elected USA president Russia might be excluded from G8.....

I noticed this "naive" posting of Miri, and decided to write on this article- since usually I tend to ignore the banalities that are coming to often from Moscow and Belgrade.

Miri was asking the Greek in loved with teh Albanian culture Pyrro how do he think that Kosova will go back to Serbia without using the force?

It's exactly the force that made Kosova to be part of Yugo/Serbia.

In Pyrros "analysis" = wishes lays the hope that the US and west crumble in Middle East so they could apply FORCE in Kosova and reintegrate Kosova within Serbia.

The Serbian and PRO-Serbian main and unique argument is and was teh FORCE- not teh MORAL right- they don't care about rights and MORAL.

See Medvedev:

Kosova is "extremely dangerous and unsuccessful" story he says.

Dangerous: why? to respect the will of the DEMOS is dangerous? Moreover extremely dangerous? This makes laugh even the chickens ;)

this is the understanding of the democracy of the "defenders" of the international law ;)

Unsuccessful: why unsuccessful? Yesterday a report was showing that KFOR (that means teh concrete, tangible AMERICA and EU) are the most trusted in Kosova.

Does a success for you Mr Medvedev mean Chechnya? Can we go there and ask Chechnyans how much they trust teh Russian Army? and compare these SUCESSES- do you mind to do this comparative study Mr Medvedev- the “defender” of the international law? ;)

Kosova is the MOST successful story of the democracies after the WW 2, Korean War and the defeat of iron cage.

I do understand that this frustrates you Mr Medvedev you wish that the apocalypse happen after the Kosovas independence but the FACT is the there is PEACE.

If you really wish an apocalypse in Kosova than you and your Serbs should send an Army there- otherwise if you live Kosovars on their own and don’t bother them there will be PEACE in Kosova for ETERNITY.

Your frustration is even bigger due to the fact that you do not have even ONE SINGE successful story: Eastern Europe is your success? Chechnya? Afghanistan? Baltic Republics? Caspian area? Enlighten me please.

Dear Mr. Medvedev,

Kosovo is history and NOT YET set any precedent.

Neither would Chechnya indepedence set any precedent.

A terror precedent was set by Serbia and Russia towards indefensive people in ex-YU and former USSR rescpetively.

It is incredible how far hypocritical rhetoric can go.

Cheers

"A combined disaster on Iraq, Afganistan,Iran will bring Kosovo back to Serbia, much earlier (less than 10-20 years) than anticipated (50-60 years).
(Pyrros, 3 July 2008 14:22)"

Would you be kind enough to elaborate on this? How do you think it will happen with only 5% of population being Serbs?

Or are you still thinking about using force?

Ever since Kosova was free from Serb regime, Russia made a lot of "contribution" to stabilize the situation of Kosova. It supported every move of the SRS and SPS, the two most "positive contributors" of the Balkans throughout past decades and they continue to do so. They continue to claim that the independence will set a precedent in other regions in the world, a statement that has been stopped being used even by serb diplomats. While we're at it, even the term "Lazna drzava Kosovo" has faded away.
The new Russian leader has to come up with some new statement, maybe rephrase the old statements just to be more convincing than.

The world is facing much bigger problems – THE WEST can’t deal with Serbs being back in Kosovo again , so they going to be blunt on their statements – YOU CAN’T GO BACK TO KOSOVA

some answers given here to Miri are persuading me that it is BETTER to recognise the UDI of Kosovo. I consider it a shame to use violence as an option in this discussion - so Serbs should rule themselves with violence, if they like, but no others anymore.

concerning Mr. Medvedev: how can he talk such nonsense 20 years after soviet violence in Prague?

We all know Russia's views on this matter so why bothering asking Russia (veto yelding member of the Security Council)? I am sorry to be so blunt but some polititicans need to be spoken blantly.

It would be nice if you all would not try dictating the policies of China. If you view the telecast of the UNSC you will see that China praised Ban for his proposal. China does feel that talks should resume on the matter of status but they did not voice any opposition to reconfiguration as proposed.
AS far as Ban goes he feels that he is within his mandate and it will take a consensus of the UNSC to block that.
Kate --"Massive egos" isn't that like Catherine Zeta-Jones calling Hillary Clinton beautiful?

Hello miri!
Its been ages since i last saw you on illiria boards :)

To answer your question, yes i mean force.
Kosovo was taken away by force numerous times, and it was regained by force.
Sorry.

EA: "We all know Russia's views on this matter so why bothering asking Russia (veto yelding member of the Security Council)?"

We all know the US/UK/France view on this which is exactly WHY it has to go back to the Security Council.

If all nations don't have the right to an opinion, then what use is international law, the UN or the global safeguards?

Obviously Ban made a decision on his own and bypassing the UNSC. Russia and China should appraise him if he's still worth it to be UN Chief. We need a UN chief who listens to the UNSC and a protector of the UN charter

What a wise man! To bad that 42 countries are being bought by the US instead..

While all the Eurocrats seem to be driven by massive egos and self-importance, I don't think that Ban is like this at all.

I think that he's trying to tread a fine line and keep things calm, when this on-the-fence attitude is actually likely to stoke up major problems.

The Security Council is the only place that any alterations to its Resolution 1244, or change to mandate can be accepted or rejected.

There should be a full scale debate immediately. If the SC is bypassed over this, and Russia and China ignored, then they may as well disband the UN now.

Ban Kim Moon (like any S. Korean, or Japanese) politician, is 100% aligned with US, as far as international matters are concerned.

Many things will depend on the attack that little USA (israel) is planning against IRAN.

A combined disaster on Iraq, Afganistan,Iran will bring Kosovo back to Serbia, much earlier (less than 10-20 years) than anticipated (50-60 years).

pres.medvedev is right. absolutely kosovo is a precedent. thats why the number of countries which recognized has dwindled and became stagnant at 42. most of the 42 are controlled by US in one way or another. the recognition was like a fireworks which lighted very quickly at first and slowly faded away as time passed. separatism should not be tolerated as it will lead the world into catastrophe and chaos. why the US is focusing on kosovo? and not in sudan or zimbabwe? military strategy my friends!!! adriatic power and balkan control.

"…. Or are you still thinking about using force?

Miri, force is one of the options, of course, if peaceful means don't get results.

That sad, I don't think that Serbs will begin next war on Balkans. It will probably come from Albanian efforts to form "Dardania".

It is difficult to predict the future, but one thing is certain - there will be plenty of violence in the future as it always was. Neither you nor we will ever stop fighting over this land.

"…. successful story: … Enlighten me please…."

Ben,

I doubt that Mr. Medvedev will find a time to enlighten you. He has more important things to do. For the time being Russia will concentrate of making real success story of Russia. http://en.rian.ru/business/20070911/78010350.html http://www.russiaprofile.org/page.php?pageid=Business+New+Europe&articleid=a1213950469

Other success will come later, be patient. Time is on the Russian side http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Russian successes, contribution to the mankind in science, technology, culture, arts, sports, are enormous. I'm suprised that you are not aware of them? Just do a Google search if you are interested.

EA, for once I agree with you. Some politicians should be spoken to bluntly.

George W Bush should get a severe tongue lashing. Oh wait, he is getting precisely that, but from his own people no less.

He is the most unpopular president in history.
Americans are in a dilma because they don't have anyone to vote for this time as all candidates are basically the same as what they have already.

You have some cheek to speak to the Russian president so bluntly when he is very popular with his own people and the rest of the world doesn't mock him either.

I suppose your KLA lot in Kosovo deserve a lot more than the Russian president.

PRN:
> Kosovo is history and NOT YET set any precedent.
> Neither would Chechnya indepedence set any precedent.

Your viewpoint on this is irrelevant.

What is relevant however, is how other separatist groups view the matter. They will grab any pretext to further their aims & will indeed use the case of the K-albanian UDI as a precedent.

> A terror precedent was set by Serbia and Russia towards indefensive people in ex-YU and former USSR rescpetively.
> It is incredible how far hypocritical rhetoric can go.

The use of terror - whether state sponsored or by separatist groups has been going on through all of human history & your reference to a 'terror precedent' being established is meaningless.

Also, ex-communist regimes of Yugoslavia & USSR are gone and attempting to equate them with the present governments in Serbia & Russia is misleading & inaccurate.

But all of this won't stop you & those like you from spouting this nonsense...
...is indeed incredible how far hypocritical rhetoric can go.

Cheers.


China:
Is true that China did not oppose 'Ban's proposal on reconfiguration of UNMIK.
Is also true that China does not recognise K-albanian UDI.

ps: pity about that double-fault - did not deserve to go out that way.


Dugi:
> YOU CAN’T GO BACK TO KOSOVA
No such place.. but by all means keep 'shouting'.


ben:
> Kosova is the MOST successful story of the democracies after the WW 2, Korean War and the defeat of iron cage.

http://xs4.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=51597


rolerkoster:
> some answers given here to Miri are persuading me that it is BETTER to recognise the UDI of Kosovo.
As if you needed any persuasion.

I agree; Mr. Medvedev doesn’t consider the Kosovo issue as sui generis, since Russians had never been concerned that much about the principles that standardize the term SUI GENERIS. In other words, what are mostly civilians killed, massacred, bombarded etc. this isn’t sui generis because Russians have “seen” much more of these deeds in the history and Kosovo case is not something different. Mr.. Medvedev displays a pure naïvity either deliberately or accidentally when concluding that Europe will need decades to sort Kosovo issue out, and suggests UN to tackle with.. We all know the Europe’s advantages and overall capacities comparing to the weakly UN administration and its chronic bureaucracy.
In the end; I wouldn’t trust someone who declares that recognition by 43 states (the most powerful states among them, nowadays) is nothing and slow progress. I think, my dear Serbian friends, that this is only an extra Russian bluff to take advantage this time on your back for their strategic goals. It happened many times up to now, don’t you remember?

Kate,

Did you mean by "global safeguards" Russia veto? We all know that but to be honest Kate if you look into it who has more relevance in decision making USA/FRANCE/GREAT BRATAIN/ITALY or Russia?
Ps. I heared recently that if Mckein is elected USA president Russia might be excluded from G8.....