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Tuesday, 01.07.2008.

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Romania to stay out of institution-building

Romania will not take part in institution-building that implies Kosovo’s unilateral independence, says Romanian President Traian Basescu.

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From Timisoara

pre 15 godina

To be honest i don't like the independence of Kosovo but is not my problem.
Regarding Romania...The government from Bucharest obviously is against Kosovo independence, because they are not able to do even the descentralization of the country, soon will be 20 years from the revolution against the communist system and we stil have the same administrative organization of the country. They created phantom regions, example ( west 5 ) instead of simply Banat, Crisana, This phantom regions are only on papers btw.
Probably the position of Romania is related to Transnistria but most i think is related to Transylvania and the hungarian minority from "Secuime" 3 counties where are more than 85-95 % hungarians . Why this ? i think because they are not able to solve the issue and don't want.
Is a political decision...
By the way your radio can't be heard anymore on Timisoara on FM at least where i live...and was until few years i think
Bye ...

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Miri, what are you smoking?
Which part of Beograd is Turkish?

Beo and grad both Serbian words, white and city.
Do you often answer a question with a question?

I am still waiting to hear an Albanian name for Kosovo.

C'mon Albanians. Surely one of you knows what this land is called in Albanian. What did you call this land before Serbian invaders? You keep telling us how you were there first and how you have attachments to this territory but you cannot even name it.

Changing one letter of a Serbian name for something doesn't make it your own. My goodness, not only do you want to steal Serbian land but you also wand to steal the name as well.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Why are Serbs using turkish word for Belgrade? Why they never named it?
(miri, 3 July 2008 11:05)

This is incorrect.

Beograd = White Fortress in any Slavic language.
Was also called "Nándorfehérvár" in Hungarian, which means "White Frortress of Palatine".

By no means "Beograd" is a Turkish word. However, "Kalemegdan" has a Turkish root "Kala". But Kalemegdan is not Beograd.

andreea

pre 15 godina

Albanians and Romanians share some old Thrace-Illirian European history but at present the only connection is through two oriental features that brings them closer to Asia: the abundant Gipsy population of Pakistani stock in Romania and the Albanian Muslim religion. However, Romanians feel naturally closer to Christian Serbs than to Muslim Albanians.

dodo

pre 15 godina

Olf, i never met any Romanian to support the independence of Kosovo - and I am Romanian.... I wonder whether those 'Romanian' friends of yours were born in Oslo or something...
And Olf, there are 2 very simple reasons for this: 1)yes, the Romanians are quite sympathetic to Serbians, probably because Serbians are the only ones around who never wanted a piece of Romania and 2) for historic reasons, Romanians will never condone things like taking a part of a country and calling it "independent" - similar things happened to us before and we do have long memories...

PRN, ever wondered why Romanian riot police (yes, the guys you call 'criminals') were shooting rubber bullets at 'peaceful demonstrators'? was it boredom? or maybe the fact that those peaceful guys were attacking them?

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"thus serbia cannot reintegrate kosovo in future, but albania can..we are coming closer every day.
(Doni, 2 July 2008 10:55)"

oh, of course we can, and we WILL re-integrate Kosovo...no doubt.
just wait, my dear...

miri

pre 15 godina

"We are told every day that Kosovo was always Albanian but they never named it? "

Dear Peggy,

Why are Serbs using turkish word for Belgrade? Why they never named it?

Peggy

pre 15 godina

JeffJackson, that was going to be next question for the Albanian camp.

Kosovo is a Serbian word, so if Albanians were there before what did they used to call that region?
Why use a Serbian name for the region (changing only one letter, O to A at the end) when surely there must be an Albanian name for it?

We are told every day that Kosovo was always Albanian but they never named it?
It this wasn't so serious it would be laughable.
Take the territory, change one letter in the name and say it was always yours.
Month Python has some competition here.

Doni

pre 15 godina

Just do us a favour, stay out and never come back.. why you were there in first place..??
all UN forces out of the Kosovo, Albanian government is now inchanrge and Kosovo security forces and army and EULEX are in power.

by the way, politicaly, institutionaly, and socio-culturaly we are making steps towards common with our motherland ALbania.
thus serbia cannot reintegrate kosovo in future, but albania can..we are coming closer every day.

JeffJackson

pre 15 godina

Soon America will have other problems than the Balkans, guess where the Albanians will live then ? Sure not in Kosovo (don´t they have an own word for this Province ? Why are they using the Slavic Name for this part of Serbia ?

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

UN is not an institution, it is an organization. I wasn't talking about international institution. the article talks about state institutions in Kosova. I was refferinf to the fact that Serbia does not have a PM nor a parliament nor a Government, nor any ministers. In contrast, Kosova has all of the above. It seems to me Serbia needs help from Romania.
It is true that Serbia is a member of the UN that's great. But, is it the same UN that approved bombing of Belgrade, imposed sanctions, administered Kosova away from Serbia?

stari_vujadin

pre 15 godina

Good. As if they do a good job with their own institution-building. I'd love to see that they help Serbia since thay son't have institutions.
(PROUD2BKOSOVAR, 1 July 2008 23:27)

Actually, Serbia is a part of an institution called the UN. This institution consists of 191 other countries which confirm Kosovo's status as Serbia's southern province. Good luck with your membership application :)

Peggy

pre 15 godina

As to be expected. As soon as any country says that they will not recognize Kosovo they become targets of sarcasm from the Albanian camp.
Comments such as, you are insignificant, poor, you have done bad things to us and we can do without the likes of you come like a flood.

Seems to me that Albanians are going to go on the attack on majority of the world. So far they have managed to ridicule any oppostion to them which means that most of the world will be their target.

Is this the way to win friends and influence people?
At this rate, the rest of the world (insgnificant by Albanian standards) will be lost to them. Not a small detail, but to them obviously a small detail.

PROUD2BKOSOVAR

pre 15 godina

Good. As if they do a good job with their own institution-building. I'd love to see that they help Serbia since thay son't have institutions.

v

pre 15 godina

message to all professional Albanians. If I wouldn't know where you are coming from I would maybe consider your comments.But I know that and so I won't-it's just too pathetic to criticize others for somebody in your situation.
Good luck with the highest skyscrsaper in Europe without water and electricity. Oh, I forgot the Porche
store, so Haradinaj & Tachi can drive it over Kosovo's dirt roads.

adrian/bucharest

pre 15 godina

Curiosity made me wait a while to submit this comment.
Nothing new from the albanian panel, same old full of hatred distorted offtopic comments. btw, seems that the only thing you forgot to mention was blood thirsty Dracula.
What Basescu said from the beginning in the E Council was we won't recognise, but we won't block EU's action either.
Pejoni, Comanescu is Basescu's pudel and your quote is actually what the president is saying in soft diplomatic language.
Romania always supported a mutual agreement of KA and Belgrade instead of any kind unilateral stuff.
If some people here haven't noticed, the world does not revolve around Kosovo and each country has its own priorities.

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 15 godina

"There is no good infrustructure to connect then, little transborder cooperation, little common vision for the region."

nik, you are partially right on this one. One a local level things don`t look that bad. There are some (smaller) companies from Serbia doing business in Timis county and some romanian companies investing in Serbia. Of course the number is far to low. And there are some projects within DKMT Euroregion, but the main problem is that Serbia is no EU-member.

KV

pre 15 godina

So....no ones has died from not receiving Romanian support. I think if we just have the American ARMY to train Kosova Army that's enough.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Olf

"By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council and we move forward slowly together."

What, alongside the USA, China, Russia, France and the UK? Is it Kosovo's mighty nuclear arsenal or their enormous economy that places them up there with the latter?

Agim

Yes, Romania is poor, but it is still considerably richer than both Albania and Kosovo.

PRN

What do you say about the civilians of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and Yugoslavia that were killed as a result of NATO bombing, should the NATO countries (especially the USA) extradite all those pilots that killed innocent people from the air?

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 15 godina

Some "benny" guy wrote:

"Image country where gypsies and serbs dictate. I was in germany and I met a person who was pushed to declare that his property I will leave to the government by his vill and he has to leave his land and go to germany. This is face of romania same as serbia."

Yes. It does happen in Serbia. In its province of Kosovo, Albanians continually force Serbs from their homes.

Good catch, champ.

Pejoni

pre 15 godina

Seems not all agree with him...

Romania to help Kosovo's EU aspirations

Tuesday, 01 July 2008

Romania, as one of the few countries of the European Union that has refused to recognize Kosovo independence, has soften its stance towards practical matters concerning the new nation.


Romanian Foreing Minister, Lazar Comanescu, during a visit to Tirana, Albania, stressed that "Romania will strongly support Kosovo's aspirations to integrate in the European family."

The foreing minister assured his Albanian counterpart, Lulezim Basha, that "Romania will not block Kosovo's interests in the context of the European perspective."

"Our stance on the issue of the independence of Kosovo is well known, however if you review the communique of from the recent European Council meeting, there we have a clear supportive position on Kosovo regarding the agreement of UNMIK and EU to deploy the EULEX mission," said the Romanian Foreign Minister.

Minister Comanescu concluded that "all these are positive signals that represent a united voice of the European Union to help the development of Kosovo. After all, this the most essential issue."

Eagle

pre 15 godina

Not just Romania, there are some other countries that doesn't support Kosova's indepedence but it wont hurt Kosova, since is most of the countries are doing that...

Behar

pre 15 godina

The Romanian president stressed that his country supported NATO’s efforts in Kosovo, “but only if they are based on Security Council Resolution 1244,"
Basescu, these efforts are not based on Resolution 1244, so thank you, and stay aside, because we don't need your experience and nothing else related with your country.

luigi

pre 15 godina

@mr.Adrian
Please can you explain better for the ignorant readers of this forum (i) the linkage between pridnistira e kosovo ?
In our press in Italy Romanian position about Kosovo is only explained with the (still alive) problems of Hungarians from the Trianon treaty....

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 15 godina

The deal is a very simple one: As long as the russians don`t recognize Transnistria, we won`t recognize Kosovo. If they would decide to change their mind, the situation would be a different one.

ben

pre 15 godina

Romania is our neighboir and we Albanians share some cultural heritage with them.

We are unpleasantly surpised by this attitude of Romania. We do understand that for her opportnuism Romania do not recognise Kosova but we don't understand the active anti-Kosova ppolicy of Basescu.

Anyhow, I can live, with or without you- U2 ;)better with but I can't force you ;)

PRN

pre 15 godina

Pragmatic move.

Romania still holds the criminals that killed 2 Albanian during a peaceful protest nearly 2 years ago.

Romanian government has to extradite to Prishtina authorities...the soldiers that killed Kosovar innocent civilians before any other move of mutual interest can be expected...

Cheers

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

"By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council"

Olf, what security council are you talking about?

Are you going to set a new one up together with Transnistria, Northern Turkish republic of Cyprus, Abzhazia, and BAsque?

Agim,

pre 15 godina

what can Romania possibly do, to help anyone build anything, everyone should be aware that Romania is the poorest country currently in EC, and they do rely on lots of help from EC, so for them to come out, and say that they wont help building of Kosovo is a complete Joke, and before anyone here replies with any nonsence to my posting, I work for organisation in UK that is involved in aid projects to Romania.

nik

pre 15 godina

Once the former Romanian president Iliescu sait that Romania has only two good neighbours: Serbia and the Black Sea. Yet the token support that those countries give to each other is only santimental. There is no good infrustructure to connect then, little transborder cooperation, little common vision for the region. Those are the real things that Serbs and should concentrate on.

Eagle

pre 15 godina

Olf,

You are right, i have romanian friends as well, they also support Kosova's indepedence, that is just Basescu's politics, Romania soon will recognize Kosova including Greece, Malta. As far as I know Macedonia and Montenegro they already made announcements for Kosovo indepedence recognition that will happen pretty soon. This happened to other ex Yu countries in past, Kosova gradually will reach the point.

Olf

pre 15 godina

I don’t know who is he trying to fool?
I have many Romanians colleagues that work on different organisations, organisations that support Kosovas Independence directly or indirectly. These Romanians represent Bacescus government but the only thing that they don’t do is use Romanian government fund’s for institution building.

Bacecsu is mentioning 1244 Resolution the one that contradicts forming of that illegal Mickey Mouse assembly in the north of Kosova. It looks as the ground is being set for 1244 to be changed since it doesn’t suit the reality.

Romanian expertise in Security and Armed forces is not needed at all since they are in need for expertise for their own armed forces.
To reminder you of the quality of the Romanian forces is the killing of 2 protesters in Prishtina 10th of Feb 2006. With this experience nobody would like to see Romanian forces training them

Romania’s rejection of accepting the Independence of Kosova has not hindered the process of recognition at all. It all goes according to plan, in fact is is better than Slovenia’s and Croatia’s Independence recognition. By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council and we move forward slowly together.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Thats right stay out. O better why you dont go home. we dont need you here. Better go home than killing inosent people like you did. I was in romania there is no romanians any more there you can find either gypsies, serbs, turks, or you can find humgarians but they are under very bigg pressure of gypsies and others. They are threatened and they have to live their land and find place where they will be save like hungary, germany etc. Image country where gypsies and serbs dictate. I was in germany and I met a person who was pushed to declare that his property I will leave to the government by his vill and he has to leave his land and go to germany. This is face of romania same as serbia.

Jevic

pre 15 godina

Thank you Mr. President Traian Basescu & the Romanian state for your continued support to international law and respect to Serbia's sovereighty over kosovo province. It is unfortunate that most of these EU states joined the "rubbish" idea of Emperor George Bush Jr. and fooling everybody by claiming kosovo a special case. many Thanks also to Spain, Portugal, Malta, Slovakia & Greece plus Macedonia, republic of Srbska & Montenegro

Jevic

pre 15 godina

Thank you Mr. President Traian Basescu & the Romanian state for your continued support to international law and respect to Serbia's sovereighty over kosovo province. It is unfortunate that most of these EU states joined the "rubbish" idea of Emperor George Bush Jr. and fooling everybody by claiming kosovo a special case. many Thanks also to Spain, Portugal, Malta, Slovakia & Greece plus Macedonia, republic of Srbska & Montenegro

Benny

pre 15 godina

Thats right stay out. O better why you dont go home. we dont need you here. Better go home than killing inosent people like you did. I was in romania there is no romanians any more there you can find either gypsies, serbs, turks, or you can find humgarians but they are under very bigg pressure of gypsies and others. They are threatened and they have to live their land and find place where they will be save like hungary, germany etc. Image country where gypsies and serbs dictate. I was in germany and I met a person who was pushed to declare that his property I will leave to the government by his vill and he has to leave his land and go to germany. This is face of romania same as serbia.

Olf

pre 15 godina

I don’t know who is he trying to fool?
I have many Romanians colleagues that work on different organisations, organisations that support Kosovas Independence directly or indirectly. These Romanians represent Bacescus government but the only thing that they don’t do is use Romanian government fund’s for institution building.

Bacecsu is mentioning 1244 Resolution the one that contradicts forming of that illegal Mickey Mouse assembly in the north of Kosova. It looks as the ground is being set for 1244 to be changed since it doesn’t suit the reality.

Romanian expertise in Security and Armed forces is not needed at all since they are in need for expertise for their own armed forces.
To reminder you of the quality of the Romanian forces is the killing of 2 protesters in Prishtina 10th of Feb 2006. With this experience nobody would like to see Romanian forces training them

Romania’s rejection of accepting the Independence of Kosova has not hindered the process of recognition at all. It all goes according to plan, in fact is is better than Slovenia’s and Croatia’s Independence recognition. By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council and we move forward slowly together.

PRN

pre 15 godina

Pragmatic move.

Romania still holds the criminals that killed 2 Albanian during a peaceful protest nearly 2 years ago.

Romanian government has to extradite to Prishtina authorities...the soldiers that killed Kosovar innocent civilians before any other move of mutual interest can be expected...

Cheers

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

"By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council"

Olf, what security council are you talking about?

Are you going to set a new one up together with Transnistria, Northern Turkish republic of Cyprus, Abzhazia, and BAsque?

Eagle

pre 15 godina

Olf,

You are right, i have romanian friends as well, they also support Kosova's indepedence, that is just Basescu's politics, Romania soon will recognize Kosova including Greece, Malta. As far as I know Macedonia and Montenegro they already made announcements for Kosovo indepedence recognition that will happen pretty soon. This happened to other ex Yu countries in past, Kosova gradually will reach the point.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Olf

"By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council and we move forward slowly together."

What, alongside the USA, China, Russia, France and the UK? Is it Kosovo's mighty nuclear arsenal or their enormous economy that places them up there with the latter?

Agim

Yes, Romania is poor, but it is still considerably richer than both Albania and Kosovo.

PRN

What do you say about the civilians of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and Yugoslavia that were killed as a result of NATO bombing, should the NATO countries (especially the USA) extradite all those pilots that killed innocent people from the air?

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 15 godina

Some "benny" guy wrote:

"Image country where gypsies and serbs dictate. I was in germany and I met a person who was pushed to declare that his property I will leave to the government by his vill and he has to leave his land and go to germany. This is face of romania same as serbia."

Yes. It does happen in Serbia. In its province of Kosovo, Albanians continually force Serbs from their homes.

Good catch, champ.

v

pre 15 godina

message to all professional Albanians. If I wouldn't know where you are coming from I would maybe consider your comments.But I know that and so I won't-it's just too pathetic to criticize others for somebody in your situation.
Good luck with the highest skyscrsaper in Europe without water and electricity. Oh, I forgot the Porche
store, so Haradinaj & Tachi can drive it over Kosovo's dirt roads.

adrian/bucharest

pre 15 godina

Curiosity made me wait a while to submit this comment.
Nothing new from the albanian panel, same old full of hatred distorted offtopic comments. btw, seems that the only thing you forgot to mention was blood thirsty Dracula.
What Basescu said from the beginning in the E Council was we won't recognise, but we won't block EU's action either.
Pejoni, Comanescu is Basescu's pudel and your quote is actually what the president is saying in soft diplomatic language.
Romania always supported a mutual agreement of KA and Belgrade instead of any kind unilateral stuff.
If some people here haven't noticed, the world does not revolve around Kosovo and each country has its own priorities.

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

UN is not an institution, it is an organization. I wasn't talking about international institution. the article talks about state institutions in Kosova. I was refferinf to the fact that Serbia does not have a PM nor a parliament nor a Government, nor any ministers. In contrast, Kosova has all of the above. It seems to me Serbia needs help from Romania.
It is true that Serbia is a member of the UN that's great. But, is it the same UN that approved bombing of Belgrade, imposed sanctions, administered Kosova away from Serbia?

Agim,

pre 15 godina

what can Romania possibly do, to help anyone build anything, everyone should be aware that Romania is the poorest country currently in EC, and they do rely on lots of help from EC, so for them to come out, and say that they wont help building of Kosovo is a complete Joke, and before anyone here replies with any nonsence to my posting, I work for organisation in UK that is involved in aid projects to Romania.

ben

pre 15 godina

Romania is our neighboir and we Albanians share some cultural heritage with them.

We are unpleasantly surpised by this attitude of Romania. We do understand that for her opportnuism Romania do not recognise Kosova but we don't understand the active anti-Kosova ppolicy of Basescu.

Anyhow, I can live, with or without you- U2 ;)better with but I can't force you ;)

Pejoni

pre 15 godina

Seems not all agree with him...

Romania to help Kosovo's EU aspirations

Tuesday, 01 July 2008

Romania, as one of the few countries of the European Union that has refused to recognize Kosovo independence, has soften its stance towards practical matters concerning the new nation.


Romanian Foreing Minister, Lazar Comanescu, during a visit to Tirana, Albania, stressed that "Romania will strongly support Kosovo's aspirations to integrate in the European family."

The foreing minister assured his Albanian counterpart, Lulezim Basha, that "Romania will not block Kosovo's interests in the context of the European perspective."

"Our stance on the issue of the independence of Kosovo is well known, however if you review the communique of from the recent European Council meeting, there we have a clear supportive position on Kosovo regarding the agreement of UNMIK and EU to deploy the EULEX mission," said the Romanian Foreign Minister.

Minister Comanescu concluded that "all these are positive signals that represent a united voice of the European Union to help the development of Kosovo. After all, this the most essential issue."

Peggy

pre 15 godina

As to be expected. As soon as any country says that they will not recognize Kosovo they become targets of sarcasm from the Albanian camp.
Comments such as, you are insignificant, poor, you have done bad things to us and we can do without the likes of you come like a flood.

Seems to me that Albanians are going to go on the attack on majority of the world. So far they have managed to ridicule any oppostion to them which means that most of the world will be their target.

Is this the way to win friends and influence people?
At this rate, the rest of the world (insgnificant by Albanian standards) will be lost to them. Not a small detail, but to them obviously a small detail.

stari_vujadin

pre 15 godina

Good. As if they do a good job with their own institution-building. I'd love to see that they help Serbia since thay son't have institutions.
(PROUD2BKOSOVAR, 1 July 2008 23:27)

Actually, Serbia is a part of an institution called the UN. This institution consists of 191 other countries which confirm Kosovo's status as Serbia's southern province. Good luck with your membership application :)

Doni

pre 15 godina

Just do us a favour, stay out and never come back.. why you were there in first place..??
all UN forces out of the Kosovo, Albanian government is now inchanrge and Kosovo security forces and army and EULEX are in power.

by the way, politicaly, institutionaly, and socio-culturaly we are making steps towards common with our motherland ALbania.
thus serbia cannot reintegrate kosovo in future, but albania can..we are coming closer every day.

KV

pre 15 godina

So....no ones has died from not receiving Romanian support. I think if we just have the American ARMY to train Kosova Army that's enough.

JeffJackson

pre 15 godina

Soon America will have other problems than the Balkans, guess where the Albanians will live then ? Sure not in Kosovo (don´t they have an own word for this Province ? Why are they using the Slavic Name for this part of Serbia ?

nik

pre 15 godina

Once the former Romanian president Iliescu sait that Romania has only two good neighbours: Serbia and the Black Sea. Yet the token support that those countries give to each other is only santimental. There is no good infrustructure to connect then, little transborder cooperation, little common vision for the region. Those are the real things that Serbs and should concentrate on.

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 15 godina

The deal is a very simple one: As long as the russians don`t recognize Transnistria, we won`t recognize Kosovo. If they would decide to change their mind, the situation would be a different one.

Behar

pre 15 godina

The Romanian president stressed that his country supported NATO’s efforts in Kosovo, “but only if they are based on Security Council Resolution 1244,"
Basescu, these efforts are not based on Resolution 1244, so thank you, and stay aside, because we don't need your experience and nothing else related with your country.

luigi

pre 15 godina

@mr.Adrian
Please can you explain better for the ignorant readers of this forum (i) the linkage between pridnistira e kosovo ?
In our press in Italy Romanian position about Kosovo is only explained with the (still alive) problems of Hungarians from the Trianon treaty....

PROUD2BKOSOVAR

pre 15 godina

Good. As if they do a good job with their own institution-building. I'd love to see that they help Serbia since thay son't have institutions.

Eagle

pre 15 godina

Not just Romania, there are some other countries that doesn't support Kosova's indepedence but it wont hurt Kosova, since is most of the countries are doing that...

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 15 godina

"There is no good infrustructure to connect then, little transborder cooperation, little common vision for the region."

nik, you are partially right on this one. One a local level things don`t look that bad. There are some (smaller) companies from Serbia doing business in Timis county and some romanian companies investing in Serbia. Of course the number is far to low. And there are some projects within DKMT Euroregion, but the main problem is that Serbia is no EU-member.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

JeffJackson, that was going to be next question for the Albanian camp.

Kosovo is a Serbian word, so if Albanians were there before what did they used to call that region?
Why use a Serbian name for the region (changing only one letter, O to A at the end) when surely there must be an Albanian name for it?

We are told every day that Kosovo was always Albanian but they never named it?
It this wasn't so serious it would be laughable.
Take the territory, change one letter in the name and say it was always yours.
Month Python has some competition here.

miri

pre 15 godina

"We are told every day that Kosovo was always Albanian but they never named it? "

Dear Peggy,

Why are Serbs using turkish word for Belgrade? Why they never named it?

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Why are Serbs using turkish word for Belgrade? Why they never named it?
(miri, 3 July 2008 11:05)

This is incorrect.

Beograd = White Fortress in any Slavic language.
Was also called "Nándorfehérvár" in Hungarian, which means "White Frortress of Palatine".

By no means "Beograd" is a Turkish word. However, "Kalemegdan" has a Turkish root "Kala". But Kalemegdan is not Beograd.

From Timisoara

pre 15 godina

To be honest i don't like the independence of Kosovo but is not my problem.
Regarding Romania...The government from Bucharest obviously is against Kosovo independence, because they are not able to do even the descentralization of the country, soon will be 20 years from the revolution against the communist system and we stil have the same administrative organization of the country. They created phantom regions, example ( west 5 ) instead of simply Banat, Crisana, This phantom regions are only on papers btw.
Probably the position of Romania is related to Transnistria but most i think is related to Transylvania and the hungarian minority from "Secuime" 3 counties where are more than 85-95 % hungarians . Why this ? i think because they are not able to solve the issue and don't want.
Is a political decision...
By the way your radio can't be heard anymore on Timisoara on FM at least where i live...and was until few years i think
Bye ...

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"thus serbia cannot reintegrate kosovo in future, but albania can..we are coming closer every day.
(Doni, 2 July 2008 10:55)"

oh, of course we can, and we WILL re-integrate Kosovo...no doubt.
just wait, my dear...

dodo

pre 15 godina

Olf, i never met any Romanian to support the independence of Kosovo - and I am Romanian.... I wonder whether those 'Romanian' friends of yours were born in Oslo or something...
And Olf, there are 2 very simple reasons for this: 1)yes, the Romanians are quite sympathetic to Serbians, probably because Serbians are the only ones around who never wanted a piece of Romania and 2) for historic reasons, Romanians will never condone things like taking a part of a country and calling it "independent" - similar things happened to us before and we do have long memories...

PRN, ever wondered why Romanian riot police (yes, the guys you call 'criminals') were shooting rubber bullets at 'peaceful demonstrators'? was it boredom? or maybe the fact that those peaceful guys were attacking them?

andreea

pre 15 godina

Albanians and Romanians share some old Thrace-Illirian European history but at present the only connection is through two oriental features that brings them closer to Asia: the abundant Gipsy population of Pakistani stock in Romania and the Albanian Muslim religion. However, Romanians feel naturally closer to Christian Serbs than to Muslim Albanians.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Miri, what are you smoking?
Which part of Beograd is Turkish?

Beo and grad both Serbian words, white and city.
Do you often answer a question with a question?

I am still waiting to hear an Albanian name for Kosovo.

C'mon Albanians. Surely one of you knows what this land is called in Albanian. What did you call this land before Serbian invaders? You keep telling us how you were there first and how you have attachments to this territory but you cannot even name it.

Changing one letter of a Serbian name for something doesn't make it your own. My goodness, not only do you want to steal Serbian land but you also wand to steal the name as well.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Thats right stay out. O better why you dont go home. we dont need you here. Better go home than killing inosent people like you did. I was in romania there is no romanians any more there you can find either gypsies, serbs, turks, or you can find humgarians but they are under very bigg pressure of gypsies and others. They are threatened and they have to live their land and find place where they will be save like hungary, germany etc. Image country where gypsies and serbs dictate. I was in germany and I met a person who was pushed to declare that his property I will leave to the government by his vill and he has to leave his land and go to germany. This is face of romania same as serbia.

Eagle

pre 15 godina

Olf,

You are right, i have romanian friends as well, they also support Kosova's indepedence, that is just Basescu's politics, Romania soon will recognize Kosova including Greece, Malta. As far as I know Macedonia and Montenegro they already made announcements for Kosovo indepedence recognition that will happen pretty soon. This happened to other ex Yu countries in past, Kosova gradually will reach the point.

Olf

pre 15 godina

I don’t know who is he trying to fool?
I have many Romanians colleagues that work on different organisations, organisations that support Kosovas Independence directly or indirectly. These Romanians represent Bacescus government but the only thing that they don’t do is use Romanian government fund’s for institution building.

Bacecsu is mentioning 1244 Resolution the one that contradicts forming of that illegal Mickey Mouse assembly in the north of Kosova. It looks as the ground is being set for 1244 to be changed since it doesn’t suit the reality.

Romanian expertise in Security and Armed forces is not needed at all since they are in need for expertise for their own armed forces.
To reminder you of the quality of the Romanian forces is the killing of 2 protesters in Prishtina 10th of Feb 2006. With this experience nobody would like to see Romanian forces training them

Romania’s rejection of accepting the Independence of Kosova has not hindered the process of recognition at all. It all goes according to plan, in fact is is better than Slovenia’s and Croatia’s Independence recognition. By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council and we move forward slowly together.

Agim,

pre 15 godina

what can Romania possibly do, to help anyone build anything, everyone should be aware that Romania is the poorest country currently in EC, and they do rely on lots of help from EC, so for them to come out, and say that they wont help building of Kosovo is a complete Joke, and before anyone here replies with any nonsence to my posting, I work for organisation in UK that is involved in aid projects to Romania.

PRN

pre 15 godina

Pragmatic move.

Romania still holds the criminals that killed 2 Albanian during a peaceful protest nearly 2 years ago.

Romanian government has to extradite to Prishtina authorities...the soldiers that killed Kosovar innocent civilians before any other move of mutual interest can be expected...

Cheers

ben

pre 15 godina

Romania is our neighboir and we Albanians share some cultural heritage with them.

We are unpleasantly surpised by this attitude of Romania. We do understand that for her opportnuism Romania do not recognise Kosova but we don't understand the active anti-Kosova ppolicy of Basescu.

Anyhow, I can live, with or without you- U2 ;)better with but I can't force you ;)

stari_vujadin

pre 15 godina

Good. As if they do a good job with their own institution-building. I'd love to see that they help Serbia since thay son't have institutions.
(PROUD2BKOSOVAR, 1 July 2008 23:27)

Actually, Serbia is a part of an institution called the UN. This institution consists of 191 other countries which confirm Kosovo's status as Serbia's southern province. Good luck with your membership application :)

Jevic

pre 15 godina

Thank you Mr. President Traian Basescu & the Romanian state for your continued support to international law and respect to Serbia's sovereighty over kosovo province. It is unfortunate that most of these EU states joined the "rubbish" idea of Emperor George Bush Jr. and fooling everybody by claiming kosovo a special case. many Thanks also to Spain, Portugal, Malta, Slovakia & Greece plus Macedonia, republic of Srbska & Montenegro

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

"By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council"

Olf, what security council are you talking about?

Are you going to set a new one up together with Transnistria, Northern Turkish republic of Cyprus, Abzhazia, and BAsque?

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Olf

"By 2010 Kosova full member of Security Council and we move forward slowly together."

What, alongside the USA, China, Russia, France and the UK? Is it Kosovo's mighty nuclear arsenal or their enormous economy that places them up there with the latter?

Agim

Yes, Romania is poor, but it is still considerably richer than both Albania and Kosovo.

PRN

What do you say about the civilians of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and Yugoslavia that were killed as a result of NATO bombing, should the NATO countries (especially the USA) extradite all those pilots that killed innocent people from the air?

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 15 godina

Some "benny" guy wrote:

"Image country where gypsies and serbs dictate. I was in germany and I met a person who was pushed to declare that his property I will leave to the government by his vill and he has to leave his land and go to germany. This is face of romania same as serbia."

Yes. It does happen in Serbia. In its province of Kosovo, Albanians continually force Serbs from their homes.

Good catch, champ.

KV

pre 15 godina

So....no ones has died from not receiving Romanian support. I think if we just have the American ARMY to train Kosova Army that's enough.

adrian/bucharest

pre 15 godina

Curiosity made me wait a while to submit this comment.
Nothing new from the albanian panel, same old full of hatred distorted offtopic comments. btw, seems that the only thing you forgot to mention was blood thirsty Dracula.
What Basescu said from the beginning in the E Council was we won't recognise, but we won't block EU's action either.
Pejoni, Comanescu is Basescu's pudel and your quote is actually what the president is saying in soft diplomatic language.
Romania always supported a mutual agreement of KA and Belgrade instead of any kind unilateral stuff.
If some people here haven't noticed, the world does not revolve around Kosovo and each country has its own priorities.

v

pre 15 godina

message to all professional Albanians. If I wouldn't know where you are coming from I would maybe consider your comments.But I know that and so I won't-it's just too pathetic to criticize others for somebody in your situation.
Good luck with the highest skyscrsaper in Europe without water and electricity. Oh, I forgot the Porche
store, so Haradinaj & Tachi can drive it over Kosovo's dirt roads.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

As to be expected. As soon as any country says that they will not recognize Kosovo they become targets of sarcasm from the Albanian camp.
Comments such as, you are insignificant, poor, you have done bad things to us and we can do without the likes of you come like a flood.

Seems to me that Albanians are going to go on the attack on majority of the world. So far they have managed to ridicule any oppostion to them which means that most of the world will be their target.

Is this the way to win friends and influence people?
At this rate, the rest of the world (insgnificant by Albanian standards) will be lost to them. Not a small detail, but to them obviously a small detail.

JeffJackson

pre 15 godina

Soon America will have other problems than the Balkans, guess where the Albanians will live then ? Sure not in Kosovo (don´t they have an own word for this Province ? Why are they using the Slavic Name for this part of Serbia ?

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"thus serbia cannot reintegrate kosovo in future, but albania can..we are coming closer every day.
(Doni, 2 July 2008 10:55)"

oh, of course we can, and we WILL re-integrate Kosovo...no doubt.
just wait, my dear...

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 15 godina

The deal is a very simple one: As long as the russians don`t recognize Transnistria, we won`t recognize Kosovo. If they would decide to change their mind, the situation would be a different one.

Eagle

pre 15 godina

Not just Romania, there are some other countries that doesn't support Kosova's indepedence but it wont hurt Kosova, since is most of the countries are doing that...

Pejoni

pre 15 godina

Seems not all agree with him...

Romania to help Kosovo's EU aspirations

Tuesday, 01 July 2008

Romania, as one of the few countries of the European Union that has refused to recognize Kosovo independence, has soften its stance towards practical matters concerning the new nation.


Romanian Foreing Minister, Lazar Comanescu, during a visit to Tirana, Albania, stressed that "Romania will strongly support Kosovo's aspirations to integrate in the European family."

The foreing minister assured his Albanian counterpart, Lulezim Basha, that "Romania will not block Kosovo's interests in the context of the European perspective."

"Our stance on the issue of the independence of Kosovo is well known, however if you review the communique of from the recent European Council meeting, there we have a clear supportive position on Kosovo regarding the agreement of UNMIK and EU to deploy the EULEX mission," said the Romanian Foreign Minister.

Minister Comanescu concluded that "all these are positive signals that represent a united voice of the European Union to help the development of Kosovo. After all, this the most essential issue."

PROUD2BKOSOVAR

pre 15 godina

Good. As if they do a good job with their own institution-building. I'd love to see that they help Serbia since thay son't have institutions.

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

UN is not an institution, it is an organization. I wasn't talking about international institution. the article talks about state institutions in Kosova. I was refferinf to the fact that Serbia does not have a PM nor a parliament nor a Government, nor any ministers. In contrast, Kosova has all of the above. It seems to me Serbia needs help from Romania.
It is true that Serbia is a member of the UN that's great. But, is it the same UN that approved bombing of Belgrade, imposed sanctions, administered Kosova away from Serbia?

Doni

pre 15 godina

Just do us a favour, stay out and never come back.. why you were there in first place..??
all UN forces out of the Kosovo, Albanian government is now inchanrge and Kosovo security forces and army and EULEX are in power.

by the way, politicaly, institutionaly, and socio-culturaly we are making steps towards common with our motherland ALbania.
thus serbia cannot reintegrate kosovo in future, but albania can..we are coming closer every day.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

JeffJackson, that was going to be next question for the Albanian camp.

Kosovo is a Serbian word, so if Albanians were there before what did they used to call that region?
Why use a Serbian name for the region (changing only one letter, O to A at the end) when surely there must be an Albanian name for it?

We are told every day that Kosovo was always Albanian but they never named it?
It this wasn't so serious it would be laughable.
Take the territory, change one letter in the name and say it was always yours.
Month Python has some competition here.

miri

pre 15 godina

"We are told every day that Kosovo was always Albanian but they never named it? "

Dear Peggy,

Why are Serbs using turkish word for Belgrade? Why they never named it?

dodo

pre 15 godina

Olf, i never met any Romanian to support the independence of Kosovo - and I am Romanian.... I wonder whether those 'Romanian' friends of yours were born in Oslo or something...
And Olf, there are 2 very simple reasons for this: 1)yes, the Romanians are quite sympathetic to Serbians, probably because Serbians are the only ones around who never wanted a piece of Romania and 2) for historic reasons, Romanians will never condone things like taking a part of a country and calling it "independent" - similar things happened to us before and we do have long memories...

PRN, ever wondered why Romanian riot police (yes, the guys you call 'criminals') were shooting rubber bullets at 'peaceful demonstrators'? was it boredom? or maybe the fact that those peaceful guys were attacking them?

andreea

pre 15 godina

Albanians and Romanians share some old Thrace-Illirian European history but at present the only connection is through two oriental features that brings them closer to Asia: the abundant Gipsy population of Pakistani stock in Romania and the Albanian Muslim religion. However, Romanians feel naturally closer to Christian Serbs than to Muslim Albanians.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Why are Serbs using turkish word for Belgrade? Why they never named it?
(miri, 3 July 2008 11:05)

This is incorrect.

Beograd = White Fortress in any Slavic language.
Was also called "Nándorfehérvár" in Hungarian, which means "White Frortress of Palatine".

By no means "Beograd" is a Turkish word. However, "Kalemegdan" has a Turkish root "Kala". But Kalemegdan is not Beograd.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Miri, what are you smoking?
Which part of Beograd is Turkish?

Beo and grad both Serbian words, white and city.
Do you often answer a question with a question?

I am still waiting to hear an Albanian name for Kosovo.

C'mon Albanians. Surely one of you knows what this land is called in Albanian. What did you call this land before Serbian invaders? You keep telling us how you were there first and how you have attachments to this territory but you cannot even name it.

Changing one letter of a Serbian name for something doesn't make it your own. My goodness, not only do you want to steal Serbian land but you also wand to steal the name as well.

nik

pre 15 godina

Once the former Romanian president Iliescu sait that Romania has only two good neighbours: Serbia and the Black Sea. Yet the token support that those countries give to each other is only santimental. There is no good infrustructure to connect then, little transborder cooperation, little common vision for the region. Those are the real things that Serbs and should concentrate on.

Behar

pre 15 godina

The Romanian president stressed that his country supported NATO’s efforts in Kosovo, “but only if they are based on Security Council Resolution 1244,"
Basescu, these efforts are not based on Resolution 1244, so thank you, and stay aside, because we don't need your experience and nothing else related with your country.

luigi

pre 15 godina

@mr.Adrian
Please can you explain better for the ignorant readers of this forum (i) the linkage between pridnistira e kosovo ?
In our press in Italy Romanian position about Kosovo is only explained with the (still alive) problems of Hungarians from the Trianon treaty....

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 15 godina

"There is no good infrustructure to connect then, little transborder cooperation, little common vision for the region."

nik, you are partially right on this one. One a local level things don`t look that bad. There are some (smaller) companies from Serbia doing business in Timis county and some romanian companies investing in Serbia. Of course the number is far to low. And there are some projects within DKMT Euroregion, but the main problem is that Serbia is no EU-member.

From Timisoara

pre 15 godina

To be honest i don't like the independence of Kosovo but is not my problem.
Regarding Romania...The government from Bucharest obviously is against Kosovo independence, because they are not able to do even the descentralization of the country, soon will be 20 years from the revolution against the communist system and we stil have the same administrative organization of the country. They created phantom regions, example ( west 5 ) instead of simply Banat, Crisana, This phantom regions are only on papers btw.
Probably the position of Romania is related to Transnistria but most i think is related to Transylvania and the hungarian minority from "Secuime" 3 counties where are more than 85-95 % hungarians . Why this ? i think because they are not able to solve the issue and don't want.
Is a political decision...
By the way your radio can't be heard anymore on Timisoara on FM at least where i live...and was until few years i think
Bye ...