Unless border procedures are simplified and the cost of tolls reduced, the section of Corridor 10 through Serbia will lose out to the competition, experts say.
luigi
Indeed 2013 is the deadline for corridor 4 and gradually parts of the route will turn into highway in the next years, but knowing the romanian infrastructure projects saga I think tha target will be reached only if some major investors push for it threatening the authorities. The corridor actually starts from Constanta on the Black sea and franklt all my hopes are on a 7bn eur investment of Voestalpine in that area (but then again they're more interested on the sea links and Danube.)
Bulgarians are ok don't get me wrong (and I didn't mean any disrespect) and a lot of romanians are buying properties in Bulgaria, it's just that doing business there looks a bit more difficult, plus politicaly they shift sides too often between russian view and german view.
Schengen is a totally different story for Romania, nobody here hurries too much for that, cause we have Rep of Moldova to worry about since for them is already hard, costly and bureaucratic to get visas, but yeas you're right on that.
About the influence, first here I did not notice any interest in the Balkan area except Serbia and Bulgaria, maybe Rompetrol and Petrom to have some plans outside the two, and second many people in the Balkans are too "proud" to let themselves be influenced maybe in a good way by some other country from the area, usually countries are competing who's more friends with the big powers than the other ones.
For the present administration here is more important now the opposite side of the Black Sea and a certain country in central Europe that recently left the South Stream i guess.
@Adrian
-Recently i'have been in Hungary and they told me that their main corridor routes (4,5) will be finisched by 2013 that's will be a main push
-Always amaze me why Romanian and Bulgarians didn't feel good, anyway being both in EU in the future you will get eachother better
-Beside all the problems particulary in Bulgaria you will be in Shengen (both RO &BG )a lot before Serbia -Croatia-Macedonia so Corridor 4 will be better than 10
-With Vignettes and Satellite toll inside eu will be faster for the lorries..
But i am fixed with my points with Serbia in you will loose money from Eu and probably you will share power and influence with another country..Nowadays Romania is the biggest balkan country in EU...
Must say also i don't think Serbia will get well in EU the country is too divided and difficoult to integrate...
I can say 100% your report is either a fairytale or you had exceptional bad luck.
I can say from my last year experience. I rented a car made for USA market - such cars are unavailable in Europe ( Dodge Grand Caravan ). The car had Hungarian license plates and was provided by Polip rent-a-car. Anyone is free to ask these guys here
http://poliprentacar.com/
did they have a large, American Dodge last year in Serbia or not. Polip is (almost) exclusively dealing with US personal because the cars are for that taste.
As I said, the car had a Hungarian license plates - but it was (almost) written on it's front "I am big Yank, God Bless America".
So I took THAT car. I was driving across Vojvodina, than in BG, than down to Zhicha monastery, than to monastery of Manasija.
I was NEVER stopped by the police. I was going at reasonable speed, never really more than 10% above the posted. In BG we were in Hotel Belgrade (not a pretty hotel, by the way) and I lost my keys. The Dodge minivan was just opposite the hotel. I found the key on the door of the hotel entrance. It would be pretty easy to take the car - just try the remote controll and see, which of the cars will open. Of course, idiot is an idiot - I did park the van the way it blocked the passengers to get of the city bus. So in the morning there was a large white paper on my windshield explaining, what the 1500 Dinar is and where to pay. (I have to confess, I did not pay - nothing happened).
Later I made one more bubu: going to Manasija I had to drive for short period of time on the BG-Nish freeway. Of course, I missed the toll booth. As I realized, it was ca. 100 meter behind me and a "suspicious" white Zastava 50 m in front of me. I just stopped, told the policemen (in Russian) I am an idiot and I have to do somewhat. They turned on the lights and secured my car - until I went back to the tollbooth on my foot, pulled out the toll ticket and came back. I did not get even a verbal warning (cops did know the language good enough to either warn or ticket!)
luigi
Indeed, since I frequently use this corridor 4, I noticed some increase in traffic of turkish and bulgarian heavy trucks, but I really don't see any important benefits, since here there is only a toll for using all roads in general when you enter the country and that's it. Probably the authorities spend more with medical care and interventions for the accidents.
Serbia should not worry at all, with this incompetent politicians we have around here, probably corridor 4 (Bucharest-Pitesti-Sibiu-Deva-Timisoara-Nadlac) will be all highway when we'll already be driving on Mars. The present stupid government is focusing more now on a paralel highway (Bucharest-Brasov-Cluj-Bors).
Anyway to pass from Turkey to central and western europe, you actually have to pass three borders,Bulgaria and Romania are not schengen, which is actually better with all the stuff they discover at the borders here.
For the pro-eu attitude for Serbia, my opinion is first that Serbia would do very well in the EU and secondly I think Romania and Serbia could cooperate and benefit economically better if both would be in the EU (for ex. they already share the biggest hydropower plant on Danube and one of the biggest in Europe). Also romanian investors are more interested and feel better investing in Serbia than in Bulgaria or Ukraine (which unfortunatelly for them does not quite exist and further on it's only a cold wind blowing).
I really don't have that balcanic attitude of being happy only if I think I am doing better than my neighbour.
I have travel through Serbia once and i will never do it again. The motorway in Vojvodina is terrible and the police are so so bad, apart from the waiting for hours and the tolls being very expensive we were stopped numerously for allegedly speeding (and we where not speeding) i then paid and paid until it hit me that the police are actually just stopping me to rob me, so i slowed down and following a Serb car the police didn't stop the Serb but they stopped me i thought that was very very bad, hence why i will never go again.
(Nehat, 25 June 2008 15:35)
Thats a rather malicious comment to be quite honest and I think you are wasting your time posting here because anyone who has actually been to Serbia would relise quickly your Albanian and that is the main reason for your little "story"
I have travel through Serbia once and i will never do it again. The motorway in Vojvodina is terrible and the police are so so bad, apart from the waiting for hours and the tolls being very expensive we were stopped numerously for allegedly speeding (and we where not speeding) i then paid and paid until it hit me that the police are actually just stopping me to rob me, so i slowed down and following a Serb car the police didn't stop the Serb but they stopped me i thought that was very very bad, hence why i will never go again.
Corridor 4 is all in Eu countries and so will receive the money from Brussels and be develop faster...
Corridor 10 actually pass through 3 non Eu countries so...
P.S. One of many things on this site that are difficoult to understand from italy..Why Romanians here are so pro-eu for Serbia ?? !! Romania will loose power and money and probably will have few advantages ..or am i wrong ??
I have travel through Serbia once and i will never do it again. The motorway in Vojvodina is terrible and the police are so so bad, apart from the waiting for hours and the tolls being very expensive we were stopped numerously for allegedly speeding (and we where not speeding) i then paid and paid until it hit me that the police are actually just stopping me to rob me, so i slowed down and following a Serb car the police didn't stop the Serb but they stopped me i thought that was very very bad, hence why i will never go again.
(Nehat, 25 June 2008 15:35)
Thats a rather malicious comment to be quite honest and I think you are wasting your time posting here because anyone who has actually been to Serbia would relise quickly your Albanian and that is the main reason for your little "story"
luigi
Indeed, since I frequently use this corridor 4, I noticed some increase in traffic of turkish and bulgarian heavy trucks, but I really don't see any important benefits, since here there is only a toll for using all roads in general when you enter the country and that's it. Probably the authorities spend more with medical care and interventions for the accidents.
Serbia should not worry at all, with this incompetent politicians we have around here, probably corridor 4 (Bucharest-Pitesti-Sibiu-Deva-Timisoara-Nadlac) will be all highway when we'll already be driving on Mars. The present stupid government is focusing more now on a paralel highway (Bucharest-Brasov-Cluj-Bors).
Anyway to pass from Turkey to central and western europe, you actually have to pass three borders,Bulgaria and Romania are not schengen, which is actually better with all the stuff they discover at the borders here.
For the pro-eu attitude for Serbia, my opinion is first that Serbia would do very well in the EU and secondly I think Romania and Serbia could cooperate and benefit economically better if both would be in the EU (for ex. they already share the biggest hydropower plant on Danube and one of the biggest in Europe). Also romanian investors are more interested and feel better investing in Serbia than in Bulgaria or Ukraine (which unfortunatelly for them does not quite exist and further on it's only a cold wind blowing).
I really don't have that balcanic attitude of being happy only if I think I am doing better than my neighbour.
Corridor 4 is all in Eu countries and so will receive the money from Brussels and be develop faster...
Corridor 10 actually pass through 3 non Eu countries so...
P.S. One of many things on this site that are difficoult to understand from italy..Why Romanians here are so pro-eu for Serbia ?? !! Romania will loose power and money and probably will have few advantages ..or am i wrong ??
I have travel through Serbia once and i will never do it again. The motorway in Vojvodina is terrible and the police are so so bad, apart from the waiting for hours and the tolls being very expensive we were stopped numerously for allegedly speeding (and we where not speeding) i then paid and paid until it hit me that the police are actually just stopping me to rob me, so i slowed down and following a Serb car the police didn't stop the Serb but they stopped me i thought that was very very bad, hence why i will never go again.
@Adrian
-Recently i'have been in Hungary and they told me that their main corridor routes (4,5) will be finisched by 2013 that's will be a main push
-Always amaze me why Romanian and Bulgarians didn't feel good, anyway being both in EU in the future you will get eachother better
-Beside all the problems particulary in Bulgaria you will be in Shengen (both RO &BG )a lot before Serbia -Croatia-Macedonia so Corridor 4 will be better than 10
-With Vignettes and Satellite toll inside eu will be faster for the lorries..
But i am fixed with my points with Serbia in you will loose money from Eu and probably you will share power and influence with another country..Nowadays Romania is the biggest balkan country in EU...
Must say also i don't think Serbia will get well in EU the country is too divided and difficoult to integrate...
I can say 100% your report is either a fairytale or you had exceptional bad luck.
I can say from my last year experience. I rented a car made for USA market - such cars are unavailable in Europe ( Dodge Grand Caravan ). The car had Hungarian license plates and was provided by Polip rent-a-car. Anyone is free to ask these guys here
http://poliprentacar.com/
did they have a large, American Dodge last year in Serbia or not. Polip is (almost) exclusively dealing with US personal because the cars are for that taste.
As I said, the car had a Hungarian license plates - but it was (almost) written on it's front "I am big Yank, God Bless America".
So I took THAT car. I was driving across Vojvodina, than in BG, than down to Zhicha monastery, than to monastery of Manasija.
I was NEVER stopped by the police. I was going at reasonable speed, never really more than 10% above the posted. In BG we were in Hotel Belgrade (not a pretty hotel, by the way) and I lost my keys. The Dodge minivan was just opposite the hotel. I found the key on the door of the hotel entrance. It would be pretty easy to take the car - just try the remote controll and see, which of the cars will open. Of course, idiot is an idiot - I did park the van the way it blocked the passengers to get of the city bus. So in the morning there was a large white paper on my windshield explaining, what the 1500 Dinar is and where to pay. (I have to confess, I did not pay - nothing happened).
Later I made one more bubu: going to Manasija I had to drive for short period of time on the BG-Nish freeway. Of course, I missed the toll booth. As I realized, it was ca. 100 meter behind me and a "suspicious" white Zastava 50 m in front of me. I just stopped, told the policemen (in Russian) I am an idiot and I have to do somewhat. They turned on the lights and secured my car - until I went back to the tollbooth on my foot, pulled out the toll ticket and came back. I did not get even a verbal warning (cops did know the language good enough to either warn or ticket!)
luigi
Indeed 2013 is the deadline for corridor 4 and gradually parts of the route will turn into highway in the next years, but knowing the romanian infrastructure projects saga I think tha target will be reached only if some major investors push for it threatening the authorities. The corridor actually starts from Constanta on the Black sea and franklt all my hopes are on a 7bn eur investment of Voestalpine in that area (but then again they're more interested on the sea links and Danube.)
Bulgarians are ok don't get me wrong (and I didn't mean any disrespect) and a lot of romanians are buying properties in Bulgaria, it's just that doing business there looks a bit more difficult, plus politicaly they shift sides too often between russian view and german view.
Schengen is a totally different story for Romania, nobody here hurries too much for that, cause we have Rep of Moldova to worry about since for them is already hard, costly and bureaucratic to get visas, but yeas you're right on that.
About the influence, first here I did not notice any interest in the Balkan area except Serbia and Bulgaria, maybe Rompetrol and Petrom to have some plans outside the two, and second many people in the Balkans are too "proud" to let themselves be influenced maybe in a good way by some other country from the area, usually countries are competing who's more friends with the big powers than the other ones.
For the present administration here is more important now the opposite side of the Black Sea and a certain country in central Europe that recently left the South Stream i guess.
I have travel through Serbia once and i will never do it again. The motorway in Vojvodina is terrible and the police are so so bad, apart from the waiting for hours and the tolls being very expensive we were stopped numerously for allegedly speeding (and we where not speeding) i then paid and paid until it hit me that the police are actually just stopping me to rob me, so i slowed down and following a Serb car the police didn't stop the Serb but they stopped me i thought that was very very bad, hence why i will never go again.
Corridor 4 is all in Eu countries and so will receive the money from Brussels and be develop faster...
Corridor 10 actually pass through 3 non Eu countries so...
P.S. One of many things on this site that are difficoult to understand from italy..Why Romanians here are so pro-eu for Serbia ?? !! Romania will loose power and money and probably will have few advantages ..or am i wrong ??
luigi
Indeed, since I frequently use this corridor 4, I noticed some increase in traffic of turkish and bulgarian heavy trucks, but I really don't see any important benefits, since here there is only a toll for using all roads in general when you enter the country and that's it. Probably the authorities spend more with medical care and interventions for the accidents.
Serbia should not worry at all, with this incompetent politicians we have around here, probably corridor 4 (Bucharest-Pitesti-Sibiu-Deva-Timisoara-Nadlac) will be all highway when we'll already be driving on Mars. The present stupid government is focusing more now on a paralel highway (Bucharest-Brasov-Cluj-Bors).
Anyway to pass from Turkey to central and western europe, you actually have to pass three borders,Bulgaria and Romania are not schengen, which is actually better with all the stuff they discover at the borders here.
For the pro-eu attitude for Serbia, my opinion is first that Serbia would do very well in the EU and secondly I think Romania and Serbia could cooperate and benefit economically better if both would be in the EU (for ex. they already share the biggest hydropower plant on Danube and one of the biggest in Europe). Also romanian investors are more interested and feel better investing in Serbia than in Bulgaria or Ukraine (which unfortunatelly for them does not quite exist and further on it's only a cold wind blowing).
I really don't have that balcanic attitude of being happy only if I think I am doing better than my neighbour.
I have travel through Serbia once and i will never do it again. The motorway in Vojvodina is terrible and the police are so so bad, apart from the waiting for hours and the tolls being very expensive we were stopped numerously for allegedly speeding (and we where not speeding) i then paid and paid until it hit me that the police are actually just stopping me to rob me, so i slowed down and following a Serb car the police didn't stop the Serb but they stopped me i thought that was very very bad, hence why i will never go again.
(Nehat, 25 June 2008 15:35)
Thats a rather malicious comment to be quite honest and I think you are wasting your time posting here because anyone who has actually been to Serbia would relise quickly your Albanian and that is the main reason for your little "story"
I can say 100% your report is either a fairytale or you had exceptional bad luck.
I can say from my last year experience. I rented a car made for USA market - such cars are unavailable in Europe ( Dodge Grand Caravan ). The car had Hungarian license plates and was provided by Polip rent-a-car. Anyone is free to ask these guys here
http://poliprentacar.com/
did they have a large, American Dodge last year in Serbia or not. Polip is (almost) exclusively dealing with US personal because the cars are for that taste.
As I said, the car had a Hungarian license plates - but it was (almost) written on it's front "I am big Yank, God Bless America".
So I took THAT car. I was driving across Vojvodina, than in BG, than down to Zhicha monastery, than to monastery of Manasija.
I was NEVER stopped by the police. I was going at reasonable speed, never really more than 10% above the posted. In BG we were in Hotel Belgrade (not a pretty hotel, by the way) and I lost my keys. The Dodge minivan was just opposite the hotel. I found the key on the door of the hotel entrance. It would be pretty easy to take the car - just try the remote controll and see, which of the cars will open. Of course, idiot is an idiot - I did park the van the way it blocked the passengers to get of the city bus. So in the morning there was a large white paper on my windshield explaining, what the 1500 Dinar is and where to pay. (I have to confess, I did not pay - nothing happened).
Later I made one more bubu: going to Manasija I had to drive for short period of time on the BG-Nish freeway. Of course, I missed the toll booth. As I realized, it was ca. 100 meter behind me and a "suspicious" white Zastava 50 m in front of me. I just stopped, told the policemen (in Russian) I am an idiot and I have to do somewhat. They turned on the lights and secured my car - until I went back to the tollbooth on my foot, pulled out the toll ticket and came back. I did not get even a verbal warning (cops did know the language good enough to either warn or ticket!)
@Adrian
-Recently i'have been in Hungary and they told me that their main corridor routes (4,5) will be finisched by 2013 that's will be a main push
-Always amaze me why Romanian and Bulgarians didn't feel good, anyway being both in EU in the future you will get eachother better
-Beside all the problems particulary in Bulgaria you will be in Shengen (both RO &BG )a lot before Serbia -Croatia-Macedonia so Corridor 4 will be better than 10
-With Vignettes and Satellite toll inside eu will be faster for the lorries..
But i am fixed with my points with Serbia in you will loose money from Eu and probably you will share power and influence with another country..Nowadays Romania is the biggest balkan country in EU...
Must say also i don't think Serbia will get well in EU the country is too divided and difficoult to integrate...
luigi
Indeed 2013 is the deadline for corridor 4 and gradually parts of the route will turn into highway in the next years, but knowing the romanian infrastructure projects saga I think tha target will be reached only if some major investors push for it threatening the authorities. The corridor actually starts from Constanta on the Black sea and franklt all my hopes are on a 7bn eur investment of Voestalpine in that area (but then again they're more interested on the sea links and Danube.)
Bulgarians are ok don't get me wrong (and I didn't mean any disrespect) and a lot of romanians are buying properties in Bulgaria, it's just that doing business there looks a bit more difficult, plus politicaly they shift sides too often between russian view and german view.
Schengen is a totally different story for Romania, nobody here hurries too much for that, cause we have Rep of Moldova to worry about since for them is already hard, costly and bureaucratic to get visas, but yeas you're right on that.
About the influence, first here I did not notice any interest in the Balkan area except Serbia and Bulgaria, maybe Rompetrol and Petrom to have some plans outside the two, and second many people in the Balkans are too "proud" to let themselves be influenced maybe in a good way by some other country from the area, usually countries are competing who's more friends with the big powers than the other ones.
For the present administration here is more important now the opposite side of the Black Sea and a certain country in central Europe that recently left the South Stream i guess.
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