Mayor of southern Kosovska Mitrovica and a close associate of Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci, Bajram Rexhepi, says that new Kosovo passports will be issued in July.
Kosova Albanians
You're doing all the right things.
You deserve all good things.
You've got what it takes to succeed .
You've faced certain setbacks recently, so don't let these deflate you.
Well done Kosovo
You now that all Democratic Country's LOVE YOU
In United Kingdom, are living 145.000 Albanians and we are all thanks to her Majesty Queen, British citizen's.
Nothing matters nearly as much as you think it does, but you need to claim your freedom.
And now we will have a Kosovan passport as well.
Well done Kosovo.
Well done
no country in europe at present have the kind of security placed in the kosova passport,by july 15th it will be the most secured passport, and the best in europe.only the united state passport can be compaired to it,it is been used as a test by the europian union, which clearly shows that kosovo is on the right part,other 27 countries will have to improve their passport security to that of kosova standard.kosovo will be used to set the pace for others to follow.a new born
K-Serbs may elect to use a Serbian Passport. K-Albanians may elect to use an Albanian passport. Any Kosovo Serb resident can freely travel to Belgrade anytime as Kosovo is and always will be an integral part of Serbia and will never be recognised by the UN as a seperate state because Russia has a veto (thank god!). It is a Mickey - Mouse country at best!
To all who have denounced this act of a free nation and its right to travel documentation.
We will work on the countries inc Serbia to ensure that this is Passport is expected by all, in the mean time we have 43 of the most prospers and democratic countries supporting Kosova, so in terms of business, pleasure, and obligation travel we only need these 43 nations the rest can halt only to a point when they need to recognise Kosova as they will need to so business with the new masters of the Balkans
Under the Atisaari agreement of which Eulex and the European community are trying to implement in Kosovo, Serbians are gauranteed access with Serbian passports.
The issue is not whether Serbians will have free access into Kosovo, it's the acceptance of a Kosovo Passport by Europe and the International community given that less than 40 countries have recognized the illegal declaration of independance from Serbia.
Thunbs down wrote: "(after all: Serbian passport is much better, from the next year it's expected to be on Schengen White List).
EU will NOT require Serbia to officially recognize Kosovo, but surely it WILL require that Serbia does not create problems there. That is to say, it does not try to establish "administrative seperation" of parts of the region.
Apart from niceties like handing over Mladic and Karadjic in handcuffs, thus symbolically repenting for its stance in the Bosnia war, it will have to show "constructiveness" in Kosovo.
Joe
Yes, you are right, Sibiu has a very important german cultural heritage, but the present level is given by the tolerance and cosmopolitanism of its people and by its present students and artists. The "romanization" started in 106 AD when romans conquered Dacia (Sibiu is only 40 miles away of the former dacian capital), but yes during the ages within city walls were mostly germans, romanians were not allowed to reside within the walls, altough they were the majority outside the walls.
You are also right with the kopfgeld, but nobody forced some of them to leave, they did it on their own will (including my grandfather) for a better life in West Germany.
Please come visit it again, it changed so much from the midnineties.
That's no big deal. JAT is used to losing customers. Serbs themselves used to fly through Budapest all the time.
(Webber, 25 June 2008 12:01)
Webber, yes serbs were FORCED to do that because of the sanctions, not because dissatisfatcion with JAT.
Your lies are not logic, if a passenger were not satisified with JAT, why go all the way to Budapest? Why not use another airline that fly to Belgrade?
Still this does not change the fact that Kosovo albanians can not visit any other neighbouring country than Albania with their passports. A visit by car to Austria is impossible if not taking an extra long way thru Albania and Italy. Regardless if Montenegro would recognize, how to get thru Bosnia? They will never recognize, THANK you Dodik!Remember NEUM? Maybe the croats will build a bridge just for you so you can bypass Neum?
Dear Ataman and Co.
Those countries that recognize Kosovo/a will certainly recognize the Kosovar passport, and will issue visas.
The process for those countries is likely to be quite similar to that already "enjoyed" by Serbs (in many cases costly, time consuming, and slightly humiliating).
As to how Kosovar Albanians will travel with those documents - do you think we're still living in the age of caravans? They will fly, of course, from Prishtina via Vienna or Zurich, as they already do, or from Tirana.
Or - and this is something a lot of them still do, whether they acknowledge it or not - they will use their Serbian passports (issued to them in Prishtina at a higher fee than that paid by "normal" Serbian citizens) to travel to Skopje (or to you-name-it) and fly from there.
Then, when they arrive at a country that recognizes Kosovo, they can pull out their Kosovar passports, as lots of people with dual citizenship do, everywhere in the world.
There is no restriction, anywhere, on traveling with two passports. However, if Serbian authorities try confiscating Kosovar passports, then obviously Kosovar citizens - I mean those Albanians who also have Serbian passports - will simply take their business elsewhere, and JAT will lose some paying customers.
That's no big deal. JAT is used to losing customers. Serbs themselves used to fly through Budapest all the time.
"It will be accepted by the countries, who recognized you. You are not interested in the other countries anyway."
So Joe, tell me, arent Kosovo albanians interested in going to FYROM, Montenegro or Greece? Will a vacation in Nauru, Marshall Islands or Guniea Bissau be more likely for a Kosovo albanian than one in Mallorca or Canary Islands?
Oh, I forgot the direct highway to Durres, it will solve all of "Kosovas" problems...
To bad that even if you get a schengen visa with your phony passport, you still cant travel to Greece, Spain and Portugal since they require VALID traveldocuments, a Visa stamped in a UN valid passport is not enough.
On first point, although Prishtina has next to no authority in the north, the body that will police the border would have to be Prishtina approved and follow Prishtina policy.
On, your second point, yes, I think you are absolutely right, it was my oversight and i think the Serbs will have no issue crossing using their Serbia issued passports.
You omit to tell that Sibiu for centuries was mostly a German city with German culture,university...etc in Transylvania.
I crossed it myself in the mid-nineties.
The "romanization" started with Caucescu, who allowed the Germans to emigrate to Germany. The Bundesrepublik had to pay 20,000 to 50,000 mark per person as "Kopfgeld" to make it possible.
o yes i would get a passport of a newborn and be happy to cary it with me if the serbians dont alow me to enter serbia i would produce a british one dual natinality mate sorted.
spunky
What can i say, your comment says everything about your way of argumentation.
Weren't you the ones complaining about nationalistic/racist approach from the serbs? So now that at least I have the decency to indicate where I am writing from, you start spitting dirt on my country? Like me being a romanian would have anything to do with my personal opinions?
Now, for the sake of the argument with a personal example, this city in "Africa" were I grew up, Sibiu, last year was the European Capital of Culture and has a standard of quality of life higher than many of the old EU cities and a cultural and educational life higher than most.
Why don't you tell your conationals that come here to study and work to stop coming to Africa? I am sure that they can go to a far better european country like Albania.
If you read my previous comment better, the idea was how can a country that does not recognize a travel document can take into the consideration the sticker on it? I would have been more interested on a pertinent argumentation and why not some personal experience from someone, since this kind of situation is the first of its kind for schengen era.
Kosova passport -- YES!!! What does Serbia think? Who cares. The funny thing is that soon Kosova Serbs would be using it to move around Europe because Serbian passports would be useless.
Dardan,
Good question, but is the border really controlled in the north? Bajram Rexhepi doesn't even dare to step to north side of Mitrovica let alone go deeper.
My guess is the Serbs will have no problems at all traveling to Serbia with or without a passport. And also, aren't the Serbs of Kosova dual citizens of Kosova and Serbia according to Ahtisaari plan?
ADRIAN/Bucharest
at the moment, my guess is that a schengen visa is worthless in a schengen not recogising the passport country, like Spain or portugal or Greece, in the absence of a residence permit issued by a schengen country.
Anyway, as usual, not Thaci and his alikes will be the ones to suffer.
(adrian/bucharest, 24 June 2008 16:34)
You are so wrong!Not all the EU countries had recognized the UNMIK Travel Document either, however, Kosovars continuosly obtained shengen visas in Prishtina at respective (at the time)Liason Offices. In reference to your comment, I have no clue what makes you think that way. By the way just because Romania got accepted in the EU, what makes you think that Romania is less bacward country than, lets say for the sake of the argument, other balkan countries. Adrian besides Bucharest, the rest of Romania is by far the closest resembeling place to any African country in regards to education, infrastrusture etc. Please get your facts right before you make a comment!
All the disneyland are in countrys that have recognised Kosovo
Japan France and USA
So no matter where you go With a Kosovo or a Serb passport it would be the same hassle for the Visa.
Now that i think about it Serbia does not have ambassadors in those Disneyland country's, Kosovo will...
first of all, I think every person with good intentions and sufficient means of subsistance should be allowed to travel freely everywere, irrespective of the piece of paper they hold in their hands or country of their citizenship.
at the moment, even with a schengen visa in this, let's say for the sake of the conversation, passport, people could only travel out of kosovo by air or on a very long route, by sea.
at the moment, my guess is that a schengen visa is worthless in a schengen not recogising the passport country, like Spain or portugal or Greece, in the absence of a residence permit issued by a schengen country.
Anyway, as usual, not Thaci and his alikes will be the ones to suffer.
Yeah right PRN, I'm sure you will be able to travel to Albania with your "Kosova" passport but when it comes to other countries, only a very small number of the "privileged" will get anywhere else and even then it will be severely restricted.
The passport is pretty useless especially when every other border of your pretend entity does not recognise it.
Oh but wait, the whole world is going to recognise this illegal entity this month right? Ha, what happened to the mass recognitions due after the illegal constitution? Not even one!
Ahh well, I hear you can get free rides at Disneyland with your passport but unfortunately, you'll have to use your Serbian passport to get there.
I would like to see you all carrying the new Serbian Passport which “will be in the white list” form January 2009. By the way, Serbian passport needs visa to most of the destinations starting from Bulgaria not to mention Russia.
As for Kosova passport, if you can travel to more than 43 countries during your life than you will need another one.
As it is, the number is growing and destinations are widening, of course they need visa but Serbian one needs visas it too.
To conclude, I would like to say that this is another sign of New Born Country, take it or leave it!
Congratulations K-Albanians for your new passports.
It will be your own. It will be accepted by the countries, who recognized you. You are not interested in the other countries anyway.
One can tell that you make continuous nice progress as a new country.
To me this issue is pretty clear. First, Albania and Kosovo will engage in a passport union, so Kosovan's can travel easily to Albania, without passports. Then they can apply for visas at any embassy in Tirana. Kosovo Serbs, on the other hand, would have to go to Belgrade in order to apply for visas, at embassies in Belgrade, as they will keep their old Serbian passports and refuse to accept Kosovo passports.
So what is the problem? Well, the problem is, Albanian border police can refuse, or at least harass, Kosovo Serbs trying to travel out of Kosovo with a Serbian passport.
Further, Albanians may also see Serbia enjoying closer ties with the EU and Schengen, while Kosovo will, for a long time, be faaaar away from any agreement on easier travel.
I see more conflicts arising, and I do not see any potent leadership in Kosovo, nor in Serbia, to resolve the problem in a sound way.
Zoran couldnt have put it better. These new 'Kosova' passports will be absolutley worthless as only 43 countries recognise them and to enter the EU, US & Canada you need those visas.
The Serbian passport as someone already mentioned will be on the white Schengen list from next year which will mean less restictions for Serbian citizens to travel to the West.
Tens of thousands of K-Albanians have already taken out and renewed their Serbian passports as is their right in the offices in Belgrade and Nis this year alone and more will follow.
So you see it makes more sense to take out the Serbian passport rather than the Disneyland one as Serbia is inetrnationally recognised by every country in the world, while Disneyland with Mickey Mouse Sejdiu and Pluto Thaci simply dont cut it.
Now unless you K-Albanian boys want to travel to Nauru, Micronesia, Marshall Islands and Burkina Faso, I'm afraid its either a lenghty queue in Pristina or hop on the bus to Nis and Belgrade to get those brand spanking new shiny Serbian passports and lichna carta.
BREAKING NEWS: The "coat of arms" on the front of the passport is going to be a picture of Disneyland castle and on the inside page will be a declaration stating that all holders of the passport swear allegiance to Mickey Mouse.
Kosovars were always to the Serbs and to the Yugosslavs like your comments here 'disneyland passports', 'Africa' etc...
As for the Kosovar passports we were travelling under UNMIK issued passport and many of us didn't have problems getting around EU, IMAGINE NOW, so this 'disneyland' country to you and with this attitude you will need visas to visit, and your passport are already 'disney', except for travelling to romania and russia were your origins are.
And as far is Kosovo is concerned, do not worry we are being taken care of....
Keep dreaming Adam. Firstly those countries need to set up an embassy in "Kosova" and then they need to issue Visas and that is clearly not going to happen.
The Albanians are isolated and that is part of the plan I'm afraid.
(ZK UK, 24 June 2008 13:17)
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you schould better read some information before you write here some funny comments!
germany , united kingdom , usa , netherlands , switzerland , france and bulgaria have already open their official embassies in prishtina more will follow!
you can get a shengen visa in the embassy of germany/netherlands/france in prishtina and with it you can travel to all shengen countrys including spain,slovakia,greece,cyprus that dont want to recognize kosovo.
in the fact with the kosovo passport you can travel to all europe countrys expect serbia,romania,belarus and maybe bosnia but im sure the bosnian muslims and croats will accept the kosovo passport!
"Since Kosovo Serbs will never get Kosovo passports and Serbia will never recognize Kosovo then Kosovo Serbs will be practically imprisoned in Kosovo. Not able to move freely in their homeland. Very sad. Serbia must step up their activities to help the Kosovo Serbs so they can live under decent conditions. Albanians will only make life worse for the Serbs, it is 100% up to Serbia to help them now.
(kufr, 24 June 2008 12:52)"
kufr,
I don't think the K-Serbs will be worried. Even Ahtisaari's plans entitled them to dual citizenship ie. They can still use their Serbian passports to travel and Pristina will be powerless to do anything about that. In any case, Belgrade is likely to keep the border between north Kosovo and Serbia proper open to all K-Serbs.
Ataman,
aren't you somehow overrating Serbia. Most of the KOsovars I know have Albanian passports either, and I'm not speaking about the players of soccer national team. You seem a quite informed guy so I imagine you know that Albania is at the same level, if not even more advanced, with Serbia regaring the Schengen White List story.
According to Berisha, the road to Tirana is due to finish in June of the next year, so for Kosovars will not be anymore a torment to came here.
After all, if Belgrade is so generous towards Kosovars as you state, it seems to me that Tirana will not need to move a finger, which, with the kind of politicians we have on these parts, is a marvelous news.
no, serbia won´t recognize kosovo as the whole international comunity didn´t and "kosovars" can use the "passport" as toilet paper, or a fix for a table that is twickling, or ....
To all the regular and very funny joke crackers in here, can you please make a decent attempt at answering my question?
- Once the passports are issued, because trust me they will, how do you think will any citizen of Kosova be able to cross the Kosova border and travel into Serbia?
This is a genuine question, not trying to offend anyone, for I am sure the Serbs will develop their strategy to deal with as they(credit where credit is due) always do.
1. Kosovo Passport for the time being will be on equal footing as the UNMIK one.
With the UNMIK passport I could travel to all four corners of teh world, with small expections such as, Russia, Bellorussia, and few other countries of this rank...
2. ZK UK, we do have a number of embassies that give you visas in a number of countries in Europe and further...
MInd you, even before February 17, Kosovars with UNMIK documents cold get VISAS from Prishtina....
I hope you will not make 'mistakes' anymore with FACTS...
Keep dreaming Adam. Firstly those countries need to set up an embassy in "Kosova" and then they need to issue Visas and that is clearly not going to happen.
The Albanians are isolated and that is part of the plan I'm afraid.
Not usre you can travel to an EU country if othe rEU members don't recognize your passport...but I am really not sure about that. If that is true you can leave out travelling to Germany, UK, etc.
Also, recognition doesn't mean you can go there. Cuba recognizes the USA but Americans and cubans aren't travelling between the two...same for Libya. (Just as examples)
Hey Jevic. Serbian police burned my house and passport during the war in Djakovica! And i was thorwn out of the country at the age of 13 just because im Albanian.
Now, I have the UNMIK travel document but I still have to fly when i go back home because eventhough Serbia accepts 1244 they never accept me as an Albanian in Kosovo, cross their border, but yet they consider me as a part of "THEM?!how ironic.."!I tell you I cant wait to go back there and get a passport from an Institution that recognizes my identity! The only place where I couldnt/wouldnt go would be Bucharest/Belgrade/Bratislava and trust me, it doesent bother me that much!
I wouldn't by that plane ticket to "Sweden,UK,US,Germany,Schweiz,France,Norway,Finland,Denmark,Holland,Italy and many more"
but it will be fun seeing what comentators like yourself do in July when you realise such a fallacy. Lets just see ordinary ethnic-Albanians using their fake passports to come to the UK and all the other 43 countries who act against ineternational norms and laws. I am sure these countries are ramping up the visa prices and controls right now. Strangely enough the only country who might accept it you missed out - Albania - but I guess thas the passport you use everywhere else!!!
The countrys who had reconize Kosovo will accept this new passports. That means we can go to Sweden,UK,US,Germany,Schweiz,France,Norway,Finland,Denmark,Holland,Italy and many more. Places we cannot go with this passport is Iran,India,China,Uzbekistan,Russia and some more. This is places that we kosovars wouldent go to even if we could.
So how are we isolating our self ? By not travelling to Iran or Uzbekistan ?
Oh dear, what a joke. Lets play pretend with the Albanians isolating themselves even further. What's the point of having a passport that no one will accept?
Here is an example copy http://japan1958.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/disneypassport.jpg
Seriously, are there any embassies in Pristina offering Visas? The simple answer is nope and there never will be.
Since Kosovo Serbs will never get Kosovo passports and Serbia will never recognize Kosovo then Kosovo Serbs will be practically imprisoned in Kosovo. Not able to move freely in their homeland. Very sad. Serbia must step up their activities to help the Kosovo Serbs so they can live under decent conditions. Albanians will only make life worse for the Serbs, it is 100% up to Serbia to help them now.
I question, does Mr. Rexhepi have anything to say, but let's assume.
"the Kosovo passport will be necessary for citizens traveling to Serbia “as another country”.
That looks like somewhat IMPOSSIBLE to enforce. Knowing Serbia and the word "inat" we can be 100% sure, not a single Kosovo passport will be stamped. Even worse: such papers will be probably confiscated by Serbian police. I can't have a passport of, say, San Mateo County in lieu of passport od USA. That "San Mateo County" passport would be an eBay souvenir at best and a fake at worst. Try to cross USA border with a fake passport and experience the "fun".
Let's see further:
"Kosovo citizens would not need a passport for crossing into Serbia provided the issue was resolved by some form of bilateral agreement, which, in his opinion, required mutual recognition."
Very good news for the citizens of North Kosovska Mitrovica. First of all, no one will be able to enforce this in
I see some great business opportunities for locals doing all kind of "special document service" to facilitate smooth travel of Kosovars to/from North. I see smart Albanian tourists and businessman queuing in in Belgrade for Serbian passport applications (after all: Serbian passport is much better, from the next year it's expected to be on Schengen White List).
In other words: a natural - but not too smart move from Kosovo "government?" which would make nothing better, most educated and smart Albanians showing them the middle finger and small business/travel just more difficult.
Zoran couldnt have put it better. These new 'Kosova' passports will be absolutley worthless as only 43 countries recognise them and to enter the EU, US & Canada you need those visas.
The Serbian passport as someone already mentioned will be on the white Schengen list from next year which will mean less restictions for Serbian citizens to travel to the West.
Tens of thousands of K-Albanians have already taken out and renewed their Serbian passports as is their right in the offices in Belgrade and Nis this year alone and more will follow.
So you see it makes more sense to take out the Serbian passport rather than the Disneyland one as Serbia is inetrnationally recognised by every country in the world, while Disneyland with Mickey Mouse Sejdiu and Pluto Thaci simply dont cut it.
Now unless you K-Albanian boys want to travel to Nauru, Micronesia, Marshall Islands and Burkina Faso, I'm afraid its either a lenghty queue in Pristina or hop on the bus to Nis and Belgrade to get those brand spanking new shiny Serbian passports and lichna carta.
Yeah right PRN, I'm sure you will be able to travel to Albania with your "Kosova" passport but when it comes to other countries, only a very small number of the "privileged" will get anywhere else and even then it will be severely restricted.
The passport is pretty useless especially when every other border of your pretend entity does not recognise it.
Oh but wait, the whole world is going to recognise this illegal entity this month right? Ha, what happened to the mass recognitions due after the illegal constitution? Not even one!
Ahh well, I hear you can get free rides at Disneyland with your passport but unfortunately, you'll have to use your Serbian passport to get there.
BREAKING NEWS: The "coat of arms" on the front of the passport is going to be a picture of Disneyland castle and on the inside page will be a declaration stating that all holders of the passport swear allegiance to Mickey Mouse.
"Since Kosovo Serbs will never get Kosovo passports and Serbia will never recognize Kosovo then Kosovo Serbs will be practically imprisoned in Kosovo. Not able to move freely in their homeland. Very sad. Serbia must step up their activities to help the Kosovo Serbs so they can live under decent conditions. Albanians will only make life worse for the Serbs, it is 100% up to Serbia to help them now.
(kufr, 24 June 2008 12:52)"
kufr,
I don't think the K-Serbs will be worried. Even Ahtisaari's plans entitled them to dual citizenship ie. They can still use their Serbian passports to travel and Pristina will be powerless to do anything about that. In any case, Belgrade is likely to keep the border between north Kosovo and Serbia proper open to all K-Serbs.
I wouldn't by that plane ticket to "Sweden,UK,US,Germany,Schweiz,France,Norway,Finland,Denmark,Holland,Italy and many more"
but it will be fun seeing what comentators like yourself do in July when you realise such a fallacy. Lets just see ordinary ethnic-Albanians using their fake passports to come to the UK and all the other 43 countries who act against ineternational norms and laws. I am sure these countries are ramping up the visa prices and controls right now. Strangely enough the only country who might accept it you missed out - Albania - but I guess thas the passport you use everywhere else!!!
Keep dreaming Adam. Firstly those countries need to set up an embassy in "Kosova" and then they need to issue Visas and that is clearly not going to happen.
The Albanians are isolated and that is part of the plan I'm afraid.
no, serbia won´t recognize kosovo as the whole international comunity didn´t and "kosovars" can use the "passport" as toilet paper, or a fix for a table that is twickling, or ....
I question, does Mr. Rexhepi have anything to say, but let's assume.
"the Kosovo passport will be necessary for citizens traveling to Serbia “as another country”.
That looks like somewhat IMPOSSIBLE to enforce. Knowing Serbia and the word "inat" we can be 100% sure, not a single Kosovo passport will be stamped. Even worse: such papers will be probably confiscated by Serbian police. I can't have a passport of, say, San Mateo County in lieu of passport od USA. That "San Mateo County" passport would be an eBay souvenir at best and a fake at worst. Try to cross USA border with a fake passport and experience the "fun".
Let's see further:
"Kosovo citizens would not need a passport for crossing into Serbia provided the issue was resolved by some form of bilateral agreement, which, in his opinion, required mutual recognition."
Very good news for the citizens of North Kosovska Mitrovica. First of all, no one will be able to enforce this in
I see some great business opportunities for locals doing all kind of "special document service" to facilitate smooth travel of Kosovars to/from North. I see smart Albanian tourists and businessman queuing in in Belgrade for Serbian passport applications (after all: Serbian passport is much better, from the next year it's expected to be on Schengen White List).
In other words: a natural - but not too smart move from Kosovo "government?" which would make nothing better, most educated and smart Albanians showing them the middle finger and small business/travel just more difficult.
Oh dear, what a joke. Lets play pretend with the Albanians isolating themselves even further. What's the point of having a passport that no one will accept?
Here is an example copy http://japan1958.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/disneypassport.jpg
Seriously, are there any embassies in Pristina offering Visas? The simple answer is nope and there never will be.
Since Kosovo Serbs will never get Kosovo passports and Serbia will never recognize Kosovo then Kosovo Serbs will be practically imprisoned in Kosovo. Not able to move freely in their homeland. Very sad. Serbia must step up their activities to help the Kosovo Serbs so they can live under decent conditions. Albanians will only make life worse for the Serbs, it is 100% up to Serbia to help them now.
1. Kosovo Passport for the time being will be on equal footing as the UNMIK one.
With the UNMIK passport I could travel to all four corners of teh world, with small expections such as, Russia, Bellorussia, and few other countries of this rank...
2. ZK UK, we do have a number of embassies that give you visas in a number of countries in Europe and further...
MInd you, even before February 17, Kosovars with UNMIK documents cold get VISAS from Prishtina....
I hope you will not make 'mistakes' anymore with FACTS...
spunky
What can i say, your comment says everything about your way of argumentation.
Weren't you the ones complaining about nationalistic/racist approach from the serbs? So now that at least I have the decency to indicate where I am writing from, you start spitting dirt on my country? Like me being a romanian would have anything to do with my personal opinions?
Now, for the sake of the argument with a personal example, this city in "Africa" were I grew up, Sibiu, last year was the European Capital of Culture and has a standard of quality of life higher than many of the old EU cities and a cultural and educational life higher than most.
Why don't you tell your conationals that come here to study and work to stop coming to Africa? I am sure that they can go to a far better european country like Albania.
If you read my previous comment better, the idea was how can a country that does not recognize a travel document can take into the consideration the sticker on it? I would have been more interested on a pertinent argumentation and why not some personal experience from someone, since this kind of situation is the first of its kind for schengen era.
Hey Jevic. Serbian police burned my house and passport during the war in Djakovica! And i was thorwn out of the country at the age of 13 just because im Albanian.
Now, I have the UNMIK travel document but I still have to fly when i go back home because eventhough Serbia accepts 1244 they never accept me as an Albanian in Kosovo, cross their border, but yet they consider me as a part of "THEM?!how ironic.."!I tell you I cant wait to go back there and get a passport from an Institution that recognizes my identity! The only place where I couldnt/wouldnt go would be Bucharest/Belgrade/Bratislava and trust me, it doesent bother me that much!
Kosovars were always to the Serbs and to the Yugosslavs like your comments here 'disneyland passports', 'Africa' etc...
As for the Kosovar passports we were travelling under UNMIK issued passport and many of us didn't have problems getting around EU, IMAGINE NOW, so this 'disneyland' country to you and with this attitude you will need visas to visit, and your passport are already 'disney', except for travelling to romania and russia were your origins are.
And as far is Kosovo is concerned, do not worry we are being taken care of....
Dardan,
Good question, but is the border really controlled in the north? Bajram Rexhepi doesn't even dare to step to north side of Mitrovica let alone go deeper.
My guess is the Serbs will have no problems at all traveling to Serbia with or without a passport. And also, aren't the Serbs of Kosova dual citizens of Kosova and Serbia according to Ahtisaari plan?
All the disneyland are in countrys that have recognised Kosovo
Japan France and USA
So no matter where you go With a Kosovo or a Serb passport it would be the same hassle for the Visa.
Now that i think about it Serbia does not have ambassadors in those Disneyland country's, Kosovo will...
Kosova passport -- YES!!! What does Serbia think? Who cares. The funny thing is that soon Kosova Serbs would be using it to move around Europe because Serbian passports would be useless.
Not usre you can travel to an EU country if othe rEU members don't recognize your passport...but I am really not sure about that. If that is true you can leave out travelling to Germany, UK, etc.
Also, recognition doesn't mean you can go there. Cuba recognizes the USA but Americans and cubans aren't travelling between the two...same for Libya. (Just as examples)
The countrys who had reconize Kosovo will accept this new passports. That means we can go to Sweden,UK,US,Germany,Schweiz,France,Norway,Finland,Denmark,Holland,Italy and many more. Places we cannot go with this passport is Iran,India,China,Uzbekistan,Russia and some more. This is places that we kosovars wouldent go to even if we could.
So how are we isolating our self ? By not travelling to Iran or Uzbekistan ?
o yes i would get a passport of a newborn and be happy to cary it with me if the serbians dont alow me to enter serbia i would produce a british one dual natinality mate sorted.
To all the regular and very funny joke crackers in here, can you please make a decent attempt at answering my question?
- Once the passports are issued, because trust me they will, how do you think will any citizen of Kosova be able to cross the Kosova border and travel into Serbia?
This is a genuine question, not trying to offend anyone, for I am sure the Serbs will develop their strategy to deal with as they(credit where credit is due) always do.
Keep dreaming Adam. Firstly those countries need to set up an embassy in "Kosova" and then they need to issue Visas and that is clearly not going to happen.
The Albanians are isolated and that is part of the plan I'm afraid.
(ZK UK, 24 June 2008 13:17)
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you schould better read some information before you write here some funny comments!
germany , united kingdom , usa , netherlands , switzerland , france and bulgaria have already open their official embassies in prishtina more will follow!
you can get a shengen visa in the embassy of germany/netherlands/france in prishtina and with it you can travel to all shengen countrys including spain,slovakia,greece,cyprus that dont want to recognize kosovo.
in the fact with the kosovo passport you can travel to all europe countrys expect serbia,romania,belarus and maybe bosnia but im sure the bosnian muslims and croats will accept the kosovo passport!
Ataman,
aren't you somehow overrating Serbia. Most of the KOsovars I know have Albanian passports either, and I'm not speaking about the players of soccer national team. You seem a quite informed guy so I imagine you know that Albania is at the same level, if not even more advanced, with Serbia regaring the Schengen White List story.
According to Berisha, the road to Tirana is due to finish in June of the next year, so for Kosovars will not be anymore a torment to came here.
After all, if Belgrade is so generous towards Kosovars as you state, it seems to me that Tirana will not need to move a finger, which, with the kind of politicians we have on these parts, is a marvelous news.
Congratulations K-Albanians for your new passports.
It will be your own. It will be accepted by the countries, who recognized you. You are not interested in the other countries anyway.
One can tell that you make continuous nice progress as a new country.
I would like to see you all carrying the new Serbian Passport which “will be in the white list” form January 2009. By the way, Serbian passport needs visa to most of the destinations starting from Bulgaria not to mention Russia.
As for Kosova passport, if you can travel to more than 43 countries during your life than you will need another one.
As it is, the number is growing and destinations are widening, of course they need visa but Serbian one needs visas it too.
To conclude, I would like to say that this is another sign of New Born Country, take it or leave it!
first of all, I think every person with good intentions and sufficient means of subsistance should be allowed to travel freely everywere, irrespective of the piece of paper they hold in their hands or country of their citizenship.
at the moment, even with a schengen visa in this, let's say for the sake of the conversation, passport, people could only travel out of kosovo by air or on a very long route, by sea.
at the moment, my guess is that a schengen visa is worthless in a schengen not recogising the passport country, like Spain or portugal or Greece, in the absence of a residence permit issued by a schengen country.
Anyway, as usual, not Thaci and his alikes will be the ones to suffer.
ADRIAN/Bucharest
at the moment, my guess is that a schengen visa is worthless in a schengen not recogising the passport country, like Spain or portugal or Greece, in the absence of a residence permit issued by a schengen country.
Anyway, as usual, not Thaci and his alikes will be the ones to suffer.
(adrian/bucharest, 24 June 2008 16:34)
You are so wrong!Not all the EU countries had recognized the UNMIK Travel Document either, however, Kosovars continuosly obtained shengen visas in Prishtina at respective (at the time)Liason Offices. In reference to your comment, I have no clue what makes you think that way. By the way just because Romania got accepted in the EU, what makes you think that Romania is less bacward country than, lets say for the sake of the argument, other balkan countries. Adrian besides Bucharest, the rest of Romania is by far the closest resembeling place to any African country in regards to education, infrastrusture etc. Please get your facts right before you make a comment!
You omit to tell that Sibiu for centuries was mostly a German city with German culture,university...etc in Transylvania.
I crossed it myself in the mid-nineties.
The "romanization" started with Caucescu, who allowed the Germans to emigrate to Germany. The Bundesrepublik had to pay 20,000 to 50,000 mark per person as "Kopfgeld" to make it possible.
On first point, although Prishtina has next to no authority in the north, the body that will police the border would have to be Prishtina approved and follow Prishtina policy.
On, your second point, yes, I think you are absolutely right, it was my oversight and i think the Serbs will have no issue crossing using their Serbia issued passports.
"It will be accepted by the countries, who recognized you. You are not interested in the other countries anyway."
So Joe, tell me, arent Kosovo albanians interested in going to FYROM, Montenegro or Greece? Will a vacation in Nauru, Marshall Islands or Guniea Bissau be more likely for a Kosovo albanian than one in Mallorca or Canary Islands?
Oh, I forgot the direct highway to Durres, it will solve all of "Kosovas" problems...
To bad that even if you get a schengen visa with your phony passport, you still cant travel to Greece, Spain and Portugal since they require VALID traveldocuments, a Visa stamped in a UN valid passport is not enough.
Dear Ataman and Co.
Those countries that recognize Kosovo/a will certainly recognize the Kosovar passport, and will issue visas.
The process for those countries is likely to be quite similar to that already "enjoyed" by Serbs (in many cases costly, time consuming, and slightly humiliating).
As to how Kosovar Albanians will travel with those documents - do you think we're still living in the age of caravans? They will fly, of course, from Prishtina via Vienna or Zurich, as they already do, or from Tirana.
Or - and this is something a lot of them still do, whether they acknowledge it or not - they will use their Serbian passports (issued to them in Prishtina at a higher fee than that paid by "normal" Serbian citizens) to travel to Skopje (or to you-name-it) and fly from there.
Then, when they arrive at a country that recognizes Kosovo, they can pull out their Kosovar passports, as lots of people with dual citizenship do, everywhere in the world.
There is no restriction, anywhere, on traveling with two passports. However, if Serbian authorities try confiscating Kosovar passports, then obviously Kosovar citizens - I mean those Albanians who also have Serbian passports - will simply take their business elsewhere, and JAT will lose some paying customers.
That's no big deal. JAT is used to losing customers. Serbs themselves used to fly through Budapest all the time.
That's no big deal. JAT is used to losing customers. Serbs themselves used to fly through Budapest all the time.
(Webber, 25 June 2008 12:01)
Webber, yes serbs were FORCED to do that because of the sanctions, not because dissatisfatcion with JAT.
Your lies are not logic, if a passenger were not satisified with JAT, why go all the way to Budapest? Why not use another airline that fly to Belgrade?
Still this does not change the fact that Kosovo albanians can not visit any other neighbouring country than Albania with their passports. A visit by car to Austria is impossible if not taking an extra long way thru Albania and Italy. Regardless if Montenegro would recognize, how to get thru Bosnia? They will never recognize, THANK you Dodik!Remember NEUM? Maybe the croats will build a bridge just for you so you can bypass Neum?
Thunbs down wrote: "(after all: Serbian passport is much better, from the next year it's expected to be on Schengen White List).
EU will NOT require Serbia to officially recognize Kosovo, but surely it WILL require that Serbia does not create problems there. That is to say, it does not try to establish "administrative seperation" of parts of the region.
Apart from niceties like handing over Mladic and Karadjic in handcuffs, thus symbolically repenting for its stance in the Bosnia war, it will have to show "constructiveness" in Kosovo.
Joe
Yes, you are right, Sibiu has a very important german cultural heritage, but the present level is given by the tolerance and cosmopolitanism of its people and by its present students and artists. The "romanization" started in 106 AD when romans conquered Dacia (Sibiu is only 40 miles away of the former dacian capital), but yes during the ages within city walls were mostly germans, romanians were not allowed to reside within the walls, altough they were the majority outside the walls.
You are also right with the kopfgeld, but nobody forced some of them to leave, they did it on their own will (including my grandfather) for a better life in West Germany.
Please come visit it again, it changed so much from the midnineties.
Under the Atisaari agreement of which Eulex and the European community are trying to implement in Kosovo, Serbians are gauranteed access with Serbian passports.
The issue is not whether Serbians will have free access into Kosovo, it's the acceptance of a Kosovo Passport by Europe and the International community given that less than 40 countries have recognized the illegal declaration of independance from Serbia.
To all who have denounced this act of a free nation and its right to travel documentation.
We will work on the countries inc Serbia to ensure that this is Passport is expected by all, in the mean time we have 43 of the most prospers and democratic countries supporting Kosova, so in terms of business, pleasure, and obligation travel we only need these 43 nations the rest can halt only to a point when they need to recognise Kosova as they will need to so business with the new masters of the Balkans
no country in europe at present have the kind of security placed in the kosova passport,by july 15th it will be the most secured passport, and the best in europe.only the united state passport can be compaired to it,it is been used as a test by the europian union, which clearly shows that kosovo is on the right part,other 27 countries will have to improve their passport security to that of kosova standard.kosovo will be used to set the pace for others to follow.a new born
K-Serbs may elect to use a Serbian Passport. K-Albanians may elect to use an Albanian passport. Any Kosovo Serb resident can freely travel to Belgrade anytime as Kosovo is and always will be an integral part of Serbia and will never be recognised by the UN as a seperate state because Russia has a veto (thank god!). It is a Mickey - Mouse country at best!
To me this issue is pretty clear. First, Albania and Kosovo will engage in a passport union, so Kosovan's can travel easily to Albania, without passports. Then they can apply for visas at any embassy in Tirana. Kosovo Serbs, on the other hand, would have to go to Belgrade in order to apply for visas, at embassies in Belgrade, as they will keep their old Serbian passports and refuse to accept Kosovo passports.
So what is the problem? Well, the problem is, Albanian border police can refuse, or at least harass, Kosovo Serbs trying to travel out of Kosovo with a Serbian passport.
Further, Albanians may also see Serbia enjoying closer ties with the EU and Schengen, while Kosovo will, for a long time, be faaaar away from any agreement on easier travel.
I see more conflicts arising, and I do not see any potent leadership in Kosovo, nor in Serbia, to resolve the problem in a sound way.
In United Kingdom, are living 145.000 Albanians and we are all thanks to her Majesty Queen, British citizen's.
Nothing matters nearly as much as you think it does, but you need to claim your freedom.
And now we will have a Kosovan passport as well.
Well done Kosovo.
Well done
Kosova Albanians
You're doing all the right things.
You deserve all good things.
You've got what it takes to succeed .
You've faced certain setbacks recently, so don't let these deflate you.
Well done Kosovo
You now that all Democratic Country's LOVE YOU
Kosova passport -- YES!!! What does Serbia think? Who cares. The funny thing is that soon Kosova Serbs would be using it to move around Europe because Serbian passports would be useless.
Hey Jevic. Serbian police burned my house and passport during the war in Djakovica! And i was thorwn out of the country at the age of 13 just because im Albanian.
Now, I have the UNMIK travel document but I still have to fly when i go back home because eventhough Serbia accepts 1244 they never accept me as an Albanian in Kosovo, cross their border, but yet they consider me as a part of "THEM?!how ironic.."!I tell you I cant wait to go back there and get a passport from an Institution that recognizes my identity! The only place where I couldnt/wouldnt go would be Bucharest/Belgrade/Bratislava and trust me, it doesent bother me that much!
The countrys who had reconize Kosovo will accept this new passports. That means we can go to Sweden,UK,US,Germany,Schweiz,France,Norway,Finland,Denmark,Holland,Italy and many more. Places we cannot go with this passport is Iran,India,China,Uzbekistan,Russia and some more. This is places that we kosovars wouldent go to even if we could.
So how are we isolating our self ? By not travelling to Iran or Uzbekistan ?
Congratulations K-Albanians for your new passports.
It will be your own. It will be accepted by the countries, who recognized you. You are not interested in the other countries anyway.
One can tell that you make continuous nice progress as a new country.
1. Kosovo Passport for the time being will be on equal footing as the UNMIK one.
With the UNMIK passport I could travel to all four corners of teh world, with small expections such as, Russia, Bellorussia, and few other countries of this rank...
2. ZK UK, we do have a number of embassies that give you visas in a number of countries in Europe and further...
MInd you, even before February 17, Kosovars with UNMIK documents cold get VISAS from Prishtina....
I hope you will not make 'mistakes' anymore with FACTS...
Oh dear, what a joke. Lets play pretend with the Albanians isolating themselves even further. What's the point of having a passport that no one will accept?
Here is an example copy http://japan1958.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/disneypassport.jpg
Seriously, are there any embassies in Pristina offering Visas? The simple answer is nope and there never will be.
Keep dreaming Adam. Firstly those countries need to set up an embassy in "Kosova" and then they need to issue Visas and that is clearly not going to happen.
The Albanians are isolated and that is part of the plan I'm afraid.
(ZK UK, 24 June 2008 13:17)
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you schould better read some information before you write here some funny comments!
germany , united kingdom , usa , netherlands , switzerland , france and bulgaria have already open their official embassies in prishtina more will follow!
you can get a shengen visa in the embassy of germany/netherlands/france in prishtina and with it you can travel to all shengen countrys including spain,slovakia,greece,cyprus that dont want to recognize kosovo.
in the fact with the kosovo passport you can travel to all europe countrys expect serbia,romania,belarus and maybe bosnia but im sure the bosnian muslims and croats will accept the kosovo passport!
Kosovars were always to the Serbs and to the Yugosslavs like your comments here 'disneyland passports', 'Africa' etc...
As for the Kosovar passports we were travelling under UNMIK issued passport and many of us didn't have problems getting around EU, IMAGINE NOW, so this 'disneyland' country to you and with this attitude you will need visas to visit, and your passport are already 'disney', except for travelling to romania and russia were your origins are.
And as far is Kosovo is concerned, do not worry we are being taken care of....
BREAKING NEWS: The "coat of arms" on the front of the passport is going to be a picture of Disneyland castle and on the inside page will be a declaration stating that all holders of the passport swear allegiance to Mickey Mouse.
I would like to see you all carrying the new Serbian Passport which “will be in the white list” form January 2009. By the way, Serbian passport needs visa to most of the destinations starting from Bulgaria not to mention Russia.
As for Kosova passport, if you can travel to more than 43 countries during your life than you will need another one.
As it is, the number is growing and destinations are widening, of course they need visa but Serbian one needs visas it too.
To conclude, I would like to say that this is another sign of New Born Country, take it or leave it!
Under the Atisaari agreement of which Eulex and the European community are trying to implement in Kosovo, Serbians are gauranteed access with Serbian passports.
The issue is not whether Serbians will have free access into Kosovo, it's the acceptance of a Kosovo Passport by Europe and the International community given that less than 40 countries have recognized the illegal declaration of independance from Serbia.
I question, does Mr. Rexhepi have anything to say, but let's assume.
"the Kosovo passport will be necessary for citizens traveling to Serbia “as another country”.
That looks like somewhat IMPOSSIBLE to enforce. Knowing Serbia and the word "inat" we can be 100% sure, not a single Kosovo passport will be stamped. Even worse: such papers will be probably confiscated by Serbian police. I can't have a passport of, say, San Mateo County in lieu of passport od USA. That "San Mateo County" passport would be an eBay souvenir at best and a fake at worst. Try to cross USA border with a fake passport and experience the "fun".
Let's see further:
"Kosovo citizens would not need a passport for crossing into Serbia provided the issue was resolved by some form of bilateral agreement, which, in his opinion, required mutual recognition."
Very good news for the citizens of North Kosovska Mitrovica. First of all, no one will be able to enforce this in
I see some great business opportunities for locals doing all kind of "special document service" to facilitate smooth travel of Kosovars to/from North. I see smart Albanian tourists and businessman queuing in in Belgrade for Serbian passport applications (after all: Serbian passport is much better, from the next year it's expected to be on Schengen White List).
In other words: a natural - but not too smart move from Kosovo "government?" which would make nothing better, most educated and smart Albanians showing them the middle finger and small business/travel just more difficult.
K-Serbs may elect to use a Serbian Passport. K-Albanians may elect to use an Albanian passport. Any Kosovo Serb resident can freely travel to Belgrade anytime as Kosovo is and always will be an integral part of Serbia and will never be recognised by the UN as a seperate state because Russia has a veto (thank god!). It is a Mickey - Mouse country at best!
Since Kosovo Serbs will never get Kosovo passports and Serbia will never recognize Kosovo then Kosovo Serbs will be practically imprisoned in Kosovo. Not able to move freely in their homeland. Very sad. Serbia must step up their activities to help the Kosovo Serbs so they can live under decent conditions. Albanians will only make life worse for the Serbs, it is 100% up to Serbia to help them now.
no, serbia won´t recognize kosovo as the whole international comunity didn´t and "kosovars" can use the "passport" as toilet paper, or a fix for a table that is twickling, or ....
I wouldn't by that plane ticket to "Sweden,UK,US,Germany,Schweiz,France,Norway,Finland,Denmark,Holland,Italy and many more"
but it will be fun seeing what comentators like yourself do in July when you realise such a fallacy. Lets just see ordinary ethnic-Albanians using their fake passports to come to the UK and all the other 43 countries who act against ineternational norms and laws. I am sure these countries are ramping up the visa prices and controls right now. Strangely enough the only country who might accept it you missed out - Albania - but I guess thas the passport you use everywhere else!!!
"Since Kosovo Serbs will never get Kosovo passports and Serbia will never recognize Kosovo then Kosovo Serbs will be practically imprisoned in Kosovo. Not able to move freely in their homeland. Very sad. Serbia must step up their activities to help the Kosovo Serbs so they can live under decent conditions. Albanians will only make life worse for the Serbs, it is 100% up to Serbia to help them now.
(kufr, 24 June 2008 12:52)"
kufr,
I don't think the K-Serbs will be worried. Even Ahtisaari's plans entitled them to dual citizenship ie. They can still use their Serbian passports to travel and Pristina will be powerless to do anything about that. In any case, Belgrade is likely to keep the border between north Kosovo and Serbia proper open to all K-Serbs.
To me this issue is pretty clear. First, Albania and Kosovo will engage in a passport union, so Kosovan's can travel easily to Albania, without passports. Then they can apply for visas at any embassy in Tirana. Kosovo Serbs, on the other hand, would have to go to Belgrade in order to apply for visas, at embassies in Belgrade, as they will keep their old Serbian passports and refuse to accept Kosovo passports.
So what is the problem? Well, the problem is, Albanian border police can refuse, or at least harass, Kosovo Serbs trying to travel out of Kosovo with a Serbian passport.
Further, Albanians may also see Serbia enjoying closer ties with the EU and Schengen, while Kosovo will, for a long time, be faaaar away from any agreement on easier travel.
I see more conflicts arising, and I do not see any potent leadership in Kosovo, nor in Serbia, to resolve the problem in a sound way.
Zoran couldnt have put it better. These new 'Kosova' passports will be absolutley worthless as only 43 countries recognise them and to enter the EU, US & Canada you need those visas.
The Serbian passport as someone already mentioned will be on the white Schengen list from next year which will mean less restictions for Serbian citizens to travel to the West.
Tens of thousands of K-Albanians have already taken out and renewed their Serbian passports as is their right in the offices in Belgrade and Nis this year alone and more will follow.
So you see it makes more sense to take out the Serbian passport rather than the Disneyland one as Serbia is inetrnationally recognised by every country in the world, while Disneyland with Mickey Mouse Sejdiu and Pluto Thaci simply dont cut it.
Now unless you K-Albanian boys want to travel to Nauru, Micronesia, Marshall Islands and Burkina Faso, I'm afraid its either a lenghty queue in Pristina or hop on the bus to Nis and Belgrade to get those brand spanking new shiny Serbian passports and lichna carta.
Dardan,
Good question, but is the border really controlled in the north? Bajram Rexhepi doesn't even dare to step to north side of Mitrovica let alone go deeper.
My guess is the Serbs will have no problems at all traveling to Serbia with or without a passport. And also, aren't the Serbs of Kosova dual citizens of Kosova and Serbia according to Ahtisaari plan?
spunky
What can i say, your comment says everything about your way of argumentation.
Weren't you the ones complaining about nationalistic/racist approach from the serbs? So now that at least I have the decency to indicate where I am writing from, you start spitting dirt on my country? Like me being a romanian would have anything to do with my personal opinions?
Now, for the sake of the argument with a personal example, this city in "Africa" were I grew up, Sibiu, last year was the European Capital of Culture and has a standard of quality of life higher than many of the old EU cities and a cultural and educational life higher than most.
Why don't you tell your conationals that come here to study and work to stop coming to Africa? I am sure that they can go to a far better european country like Albania.
If you read my previous comment better, the idea was how can a country that does not recognize a travel document can take into the consideration the sticker on it? I would have been more interested on a pertinent argumentation and why not some personal experience from someone, since this kind of situation is the first of its kind for schengen era.
o yes i would get a passport of a newborn and be happy to cary it with me if the serbians dont alow me to enter serbia i would produce a british one dual natinality mate sorted.
That's no big deal. JAT is used to losing customers. Serbs themselves used to fly through Budapest all the time.
(Webber, 25 June 2008 12:01)
Webber, yes serbs were FORCED to do that because of the sanctions, not because dissatisfatcion with JAT.
Your lies are not logic, if a passenger were not satisified with JAT, why go all the way to Budapest? Why not use another airline that fly to Belgrade?
Still this does not change the fact that Kosovo albanians can not visit any other neighbouring country than Albania with their passports. A visit by car to Austria is impossible if not taking an extra long way thru Albania and Italy. Regardless if Montenegro would recognize, how to get thru Bosnia? They will never recognize, THANK you Dodik!Remember NEUM? Maybe the croats will build a bridge just for you so you can bypass Neum?
Keep dreaming Adam. Firstly those countries need to set up an embassy in "Kosova" and then they need to issue Visas and that is clearly not going to happen.
The Albanians are isolated and that is part of the plan I'm afraid.
Not usre you can travel to an EU country if othe rEU members don't recognize your passport...but I am really not sure about that. If that is true you can leave out travelling to Germany, UK, etc.
Also, recognition doesn't mean you can go there. Cuba recognizes the USA but Americans and cubans aren't travelling between the two...same for Libya. (Just as examples)
To all the regular and very funny joke crackers in here, can you please make a decent attempt at answering my question?
- Once the passports are issued, because trust me they will, how do you think will any citizen of Kosova be able to cross the Kosova border and travel into Serbia?
This is a genuine question, not trying to offend anyone, for I am sure the Serbs will develop their strategy to deal with as they(credit where credit is due) always do.
Ataman,
aren't you somehow overrating Serbia. Most of the KOsovars I know have Albanian passports either, and I'm not speaking about the players of soccer national team. You seem a quite informed guy so I imagine you know that Albania is at the same level, if not even more advanced, with Serbia regaring the Schengen White List story.
According to Berisha, the road to Tirana is due to finish in June of the next year, so for Kosovars will not be anymore a torment to came here.
After all, if Belgrade is so generous towards Kosovars as you state, it seems to me that Tirana will not need to move a finger, which, with the kind of politicians we have on these parts, is a marvelous news.
Yeah right PRN, I'm sure you will be able to travel to Albania with your "Kosova" passport but when it comes to other countries, only a very small number of the "privileged" will get anywhere else and even then it will be severely restricted.
The passport is pretty useless especially when every other border of your pretend entity does not recognise it.
Oh but wait, the whole world is going to recognise this illegal entity this month right? Ha, what happened to the mass recognitions due after the illegal constitution? Not even one!
Ahh well, I hear you can get free rides at Disneyland with your passport but unfortunately, you'll have to use your Serbian passport to get there.
first of all, I think every person with good intentions and sufficient means of subsistance should be allowed to travel freely everywere, irrespective of the piece of paper they hold in their hands or country of their citizenship.
at the moment, even with a schengen visa in this, let's say for the sake of the conversation, passport, people could only travel out of kosovo by air or on a very long route, by sea.
at the moment, my guess is that a schengen visa is worthless in a schengen not recogising the passport country, like Spain or portugal or Greece, in the absence of a residence permit issued by a schengen country.
Anyway, as usual, not Thaci and his alikes will be the ones to suffer.
All the disneyland are in countrys that have recognised Kosovo
Japan France and USA
So no matter where you go With a Kosovo or a Serb passport it would be the same hassle for the Visa.
Now that i think about it Serbia does not have ambassadors in those Disneyland country's, Kosovo will...
"It will be accepted by the countries, who recognized you. You are not interested in the other countries anyway."
So Joe, tell me, arent Kosovo albanians interested in going to FYROM, Montenegro or Greece? Will a vacation in Nauru, Marshall Islands or Guniea Bissau be more likely for a Kosovo albanian than one in Mallorca or Canary Islands?
Oh, I forgot the direct highway to Durres, it will solve all of "Kosovas" problems...
To bad that even if you get a schengen visa with your phony passport, you still cant travel to Greece, Spain and Portugal since they require VALID traveldocuments, a Visa stamped in a UN valid passport is not enough.
Dear Ataman and Co.
Those countries that recognize Kosovo/a will certainly recognize the Kosovar passport, and will issue visas.
The process for those countries is likely to be quite similar to that already "enjoyed" by Serbs (in many cases costly, time consuming, and slightly humiliating).
As to how Kosovar Albanians will travel with those documents - do you think we're still living in the age of caravans? They will fly, of course, from Prishtina via Vienna or Zurich, as they already do, or from Tirana.
Or - and this is something a lot of them still do, whether they acknowledge it or not - they will use their Serbian passports (issued to them in Prishtina at a higher fee than that paid by "normal" Serbian citizens) to travel to Skopje (or to you-name-it) and fly from there.
Then, when they arrive at a country that recognizes Kosovo, they can pull out their Kosovar passports, as lots of people with dual citizenship do, everywhere in the world.
There is no restriction, anywhere, on traveling with two passports. However, if Serbian authorities try confiscating Kosovar passports, then obviously Kosovar citizens - I mean those Albanians who also have Serbian passports - will simply take their business elsewhere, and JAT will lose some paying customers.
That's no big deal. JAT is used to losing customers. Serbs themselves used to fly through Budapest all the time.
Joe
Yes, you are right, Sibiu has a very important german cultural heritage, but the present level is given by the tolerance and cosmopolitanism of its people and by its present students and artists. The "romanization" started in 106 AD when romans conquered Dacia (Sibiu is only 40 miles away of the former dacian capital), but yes during the ages within city walls were mostly germans, romanians were not allowed to reside within the walls, altough they were the majority outside the walls.
You are also right with the kopfgeld, but nobody forced some of them to leave, they did it on their own will (including my grandfather) for a better life in West Germany.
Please come visit it again, it changed so much from the midnineties.
Thunbs down wrote: "(after all: Serbian passport is much better, from the next year it's expected to be on Schengen White List).
EU will NOT require Serbia to officially recognize Kosovo, but surely it WILL require that Serbia does not create problems there. That is to say, it does not try to establish "administrative seperation" of parts of the region.
Apart from niceties like handing over Mladic and Karadjic in handcuffs, thus symbolically repenting for its stance in the Bosnia war, it will have to show "constructiveness" in Kosovo.
ADRIAN/Bucharest
at the moment, my guess is that a schengen visa is worthless in a schengen not recogising the passport country, like Spain or portugal or Greece, in the absence of a residence permit issued by a schengen country.
Anyway, as usual, not Thaci and his alikes will be the ones to suffer.
(adrian/bucharest, 24 June 2008 16:34)
You are so wrong!Not all the EU countries had recognized the UNMIK Travel Document either, however, Kosovars continuosly obtained shengen visas in Prishtina at respective (at the time)Liason Offices. In reference to your comment, I have no clue what makes you think that way. By the way just because Romania got accepted in the EU, what makes you think that Romania is less bacward country than, lets say for the sake of the argument, other balkan countries. Adrian besides Bucharest, the rest of Romania is by far the closest resembeling place to any African country in regards to education, infrastrusture etc. Please get your facts right before you make a comment!
You omit to tell that Sibiu for centuries was mostly a German city with German culture,university...etc in Transylvania.
I crossed it myself in the mid-nineties.
The "romanization" started with Caucescu, who allowed the Germans to emigrate to Germany. The Bundesrepublik had to pay 20,000 to 50,000 mark per person as "Kopfgeld" to make it possible.
On first point, although Prishtina has next to no authority in the north, the body that will police the border would have to be Prishtina approved and follow Prishtina policy.
On, your second point, yes, I think you are absolutely right, it was my oversight and i think the Serbs will have no issue crossing using their Serbia issued passports.
To all who have denounced this act of a free nation and its right to travel documentation.
We will work on the countries inc Serbia to ensure that this is Passport is expected by all, in the mean time we have 43 of the most prospers and democratic countries supporting Kosova, so in terms of business, pleasure, and obligation travel we only need these 43 nations the rest can halt only to a point when they need to recognise Kosova as they will need to so business with the new masters of the Balkans
no country in europe at present have the kind of security placed in the kosova passport,by july 15th it will be the most secured passport, and the best in europe.only the united state passport can be compaired to it,it is been used as a test by the europian union, which clearly shows that kosovo is on the right part,other 27 countries will have to improve their passport security to that of kosova standard.kosovo will be used to set the pace for others to follow.a new born
In United Kingdom, are living 145.000 Albanians and we are all thanks to her Majesty Queen, British citizen's.
Nothing matters nearly as much as you think it does, but you need to claim your freedom.
And now we will have a Kosovan passport as well.
Well done Kosovo.
Well done
Kosova Albanians
You're doing all the right things.
You deserve all good things.
You've got what it takes to succeed .
You've faced certain setbacks recently, so don't let these deflate you.
Well done Kosovo
You now that all Democratic Country's LOVE YOU
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