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Sunday, 22.06.2008.

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Montenegro: No Kosovo recognition

Montenegro has rejected as untrue a statement by Kosovo interim assembly speaker Jakup Krasnici that Podgorica will "soon recognize Kosovo".

Izvor: Tanjug

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zm

pre 15 godina

All of the non-Albanians are wasting their time trying to quote facts and stats to Albanians. They claim to be tolerant towards other minorities yet their country is 95+ % pure Albanian. While they claim to be victims of genocide they have slowly driven all serbs, gorani, romas, and jews from Kosovo and have created a pure racist state. The same logic they use for succession from Serbia they use against the Serbs in Northern Mitrovica. They deny their Nazi past in WWII. They deny the atrocities their current elected leaders are accused of. They deny that drug and human trafficing exists. They deny that they are destroying ancient Serbian sites that proves who settled the land first. They are all that is good about the Balkans and the Serbians, Greeks, Bulgars, Macedonians and Romanians are just scum.

Let me ask all of the Albanians this, if all of your Slavic and Greek neighbors are so bad and your lives were so terrible, then why is your population at it's peak? Why do you seek shelter and employment in these regions and then drive your coinhabitants out? History books do not speak of great long lasting Albanian Kingdoms as they do of Greek, Bulgar, Serb, and Croatian Kingdoms. You must remember that if your past was so glorious and you were so entrenched in the Balkans then why do you live amongst the ruins of Slavic settlements with your newly acquired written language?

In closing, to all of the anti-Serb albanians. When your country becomes as ethnically diverse and mixed as Serbia proper then come on-line and talk about how European you are. How many mosques have gone up in Serbia as compared to churches in Kosovo? It's also really easy to talk about bravery and your recent conquest of Serbian Kosovo with NATO air power. If i am not mistaken prior to NATO intervention you were fleeing back to your true homeland.

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

@Ermal.
Its ok.
When you learn who the Arvanites were come back again and we'll talk. And as you also admitted already, when you learn what is slavic and what is Greek, then again, come back and we'll talk. And when you learn the story of Kastriotis, come back and we'll talk. And when you learn what is it that we call the Kalas (and its certainly not Greeks), come back nad we'll talk again. And when you learn to not compare the 50's with the 00's because of different geopolitical factors, then come back and we'll talk again.
Until then, you have a lot to learn as it is obvious.
I will just waste my time answering things that have already been answered by scientists and historians.

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Nehat

pre 15 godina

b92: its not Krasnici its Krasniqi with a Q.

with regards to the topic, i think its all a load a waffle created by the Serb government to lobby against recognition of Kosova Macedonia and Montenegro or Blackmountains will recognise Kosova sooner or later, as its the only way the region is going to be integrated into the EU so the small print on the SAA will save, i hear by confirm that i recognise the soverenty of of Serbia without Kosova, Republic of Kosova, Macedonia, Albania, Croatia, BosinaiH, Montenegro.

the US wants the Kosovars to be the new masters of the Balkans and nothing you do to propaganda against that it will not work.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

The name nikitas may be of ultimate greek derivation, from nike-victory, as
Jovan is of ultimatly Jewish origin. Nevertheles, Jovan remains a serbian name
as it is the serbian respective form of the jewish original name, Gjon being
the Albanian form, Janis the greek, Giovanni the italian and so on. As well
nikita is the slavic form of some corrispondent greek name whiich I ignore,
maybe iit is sth related the english nikolas. Two slavic personalities that
come up to my mind are Nikita Kruschev and Knia Nikita of Montenegro. Or should
we assume that these guys have pure greek names? But who knows, maybe I'm
wrong. This is the part of the post that i care less.
Since we are in name matters here, let me swhitch for a while to Jovan.
Jovan, you don't think that Peggy, Kate, the Irish O'something.... are not Serbs, do you? Come on, let us be serious. But if you want to be consistent you must also assume that Joe is also Albanian, who somhow has managed to present himself as an Hungarian American.

Now let us be serious!

I find it terribly insulting when you do not write my ethnonym not respecting
the rules of English. I find even more terrbly insulting when you spread lies
when you speak about Abanians. What truths are you talking about? Like the one
that arvanites are not of Albanians discent contradicting all scholars, geek
ones indcluded. Or like that other that makes Kastrioti a greek. Even this
time the whole worlds historians are liers? He was born probably born in Dibra,
his capital was Kruja, north of Tirane, hes powerbase was in northern Albania,
he was catholic. What kind of magali idea jokes :):):). But hey, the like of
your kind have found greeks even in Afganistan, so he may pretty well be greek.
Our school books do not even mention them, and that's why I've learned about
them relatively late. As to the saying,i've heard it from an arvanites himself. Arvanites spoke in Albanians, sang in Albanian, cried in Albanian, had our traditions, wore same kind of clothes as ours, and most importantly had our same warlike spirit. Thauy had our typical tribal organizations in pharas (phara in Albanian meens seed, and is often used even as a synonymous of tribe or one's discendence. In greek it means nothing. But enough with this.

"For the real hard workers, I say again, those that worked side by side with so many others Greeks and non-Greeks I really do have respect :)"
At some senseful words, althogh I had to use a microscope to finde them.

Please spear me those 10 volumes, for I'm sure it would be only Megali Idea rubbish.


"albanians the only country in the world where GW bush was greeted with joy."

This phrase doesn't properly make sense but I'll play my part. Weren't the greeks that did the same with Esenhower in the 1950s.

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Nikola

pre 15 godina

Montenegro consists of 40% Serbs, 50% Montenegrin and 10% are others.When Montenegro decided to be independent state, 51% said they want to live in independent country, 49% said they want to stay with Serbia.Now you do the math.
Anyway, I am declaring myself as Serb,even the whole my family came from Montenegro century ago for a better life in Serbia.I love both Montenegro and Serbia and for me both of those people are the same nation.Every Serb knows where his roots are but when west politics mix then I guess people have to split so they can get a little bit of cash from the west.But they fail in the long run.While Europe joining, they crack the Balkans into smaller and smaller countries so they can control them easier and make future wars.Selling guns is the biggest business next to selling drugs.And selling people.
While they push us into the fight, "other" neighbor countries uses this as an opportunity to take something that ain't theirs.And this is so sad.

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ilir

pre 15 godina

To Nikitas.
I am very suprised that a greek is not grateful to America.After ww2 if it was not for America ,greece would have been communist.If it was not for the Marshall Plan western Europe and greece would have been third world countries.And do you remember J.F.K Ich bin ein Berliner?18 years after USA bombed the hell out of Germany.Bush in Albania was a historic visit,we ALBANIANS do not forget the help of the US ,WE ALBANIANS do not smear the americans,you greeks are the best for that,bombing the embassy etc.

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Maks

pre 15 godina

In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.
(Ermal, 23 June 2008 23:00)

No Ermal I am not a victim of right wing Greek nationalist. What I meant was not really 14%. I made up that number to emphasize the unrealistic approach of Nikitas toward Albanians in Montenegro. Albanians in Montenegro like anywhere in Balkan never have been danger to any other nationality. Although treated bad in their own land, in their own home, they always have contributed for peace.
Regarding the Albanians in Greece, this number goes from 700,000 to 1 milion or 6-9%.
Here is why:
400,000 to 500,000 are just economical emigrants who are contributing in Greece economy and getting a little in return.
150,000 to 400,000 are just Arvanitas who because of assimilation they are reduced in that number because the Greece repression they are not following their own culture and language.
What about Albanian in Chameria without counting the ethnic cleansing during WWI and WWII.
You can find this info in internet but think about the Greek statistics who they don’t admit to have any minority at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanitika

Estimated numbers of speakers of Arvanitika vary widely, between 30,000 and 150,000. These figures include "terminal speakers" (Tsitsipis 1998) of the younger generation, who have only acquired an imperfect command of the language and are unlikely to pass it on to future generations. The number of villages with traditional Arvanite populations is estimated to 300. There are no monolingual Arvanitika-speakers, as all are today bilingual in Greek. Arvanitika is considered an endangered language due to the large-scale language shift towards Greek among the descendants of Arvanitika-speakers in recent decades.

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gajo

pre 15 godina

And another thing yet, to learn how many Albanians are in Montenegro, go here [link]


Maks, I don't think in Greece are as much Albanians as you state. This is just a lie set up
by Greek ultranationalist to propagate the false idea of "Greece being overtaken by Albanians" to the common Greek citizen. In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.
(Ermal and what your showing us there is 31,000 albanians in montenegro so what.

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

Jovan
All I can remember is that it was the albanians the only country in the world where GW bush was greeted with joy. Including his own country. And by a country neighbouring another that got bombed to the ground only a few years ago by the same monsters.
To tell you the truth, all I can see here from the albanian side is that they trully should be named as a "stability factor" by the CIA since they are the only nation to like them. I wonder, why should they name us or the Serbs, or the Bulgarians something positive since it is well known that they are not welcomed here (the american politics I mean, not the poor people)?
I can still remember the naive albanians with the american flags in their hands, feeling so happy that they were turned into a big aircarrier for their master :)
It was a big laugh, still is here :)

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Yes the Serbs make up 70% of the tourists but those are almost exclusively the poor tourists Montenegro doesn't want. They bring their own food, spend very little. Montenegro tries to reduce their numbers and increase the number of tourists from rich countries.
(Joe, 23 June 2008 19:21)"

wow. isn´t it interesting, what Joe, the "hungarian american" knows about serbian tourism in Montenegro? ...and who knows what else he does know about the Balkans, although living in the US of A... :)


most readers will know what I wanted to say. the word is "credibility"...


oh, by the way:what´s funny, too...

our albanian friends here are mentioning the "slavic" name of Nikitas... but on the other side, I have never seen so much creativity to invent western-sounding nick-names... as there are Olf, Nick, Joe, Sebastian, louis, and who knows what else...

I mean, isn´t it quite ridiculous to complain about Nikitas alleged affiliation to the serbian nation...while it seems to be an albanian sport to pretend to be someone else? ( of course they are not smart enough to do it successfully, since they are very likely young teenagers with little experience )

as mentioned above, I find it very amusing...

don´t share that impression with me, Nikitas?

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

@20, 21, 22
Poor kids, you better have your facts right, both of you :)

"nikitas, the greek with a slavic name."
"Nikitas, as you presented yourself as Greek (hope you are although adding “s” your name doesn’t make you Greek),"

Lol.... That was one, maybe two, big laughs.
Lets see.
The name Nikitas, predates the arrival of the Slavs in the area. Given that all of them were christianised by 2 Greeks and their names (80% of them) is of Greek origin, well, I very much doubt the slavicity of my name. Besides, my name in Greek has a meaning. Does it have ANY meaning at all in any kind of Slavic language?
Ohh nad pst, Maks, the "s" at the end for those with basic knowledge doesnt mean I am Greek, it means I am male.... :)

"I see that insulting the Albanians is your prefered sport, but do you find any bravery in this, hiden behind a pc, miles away."

I dont consider myself insulting albanians when I am only stating the truth. Unless truth is an insult for albanians, in which case I stand corrected :)

"The fact that Albanians with their blood laid the foundations of Modern Greece"

When did that happen exactly and I missed it? Oh let me think. Its those stories again that all our heroes are albanians and arvanites are albanians and all those fairy tales you have been fed with the last 50 years....
Right. You are perfectly right. I am so sorry to not know history. It is the same thing with your national hero who happens to be Greek, you know, Georgios Kastriotis, or amybe is the same thing with the fyromians that want Alexander for themselves?
Lol.... you guys are so naive :)

"remember the saying "Arvanites are the spear of Greek Nation")"
Lol....is that written in the albanian 1st grade school book? Because I dont think you will find it anywhere from North Epiros and southern :)

"Albanian emmigrants, that with their swear and sometimes blood, have made Greece have a new economical boom as some Greek economists have said recently?"
Actually you are right. The albanians with their "swear and (our) blood" have helped us a lot. And frankly, I respect those albanians that came in here, worked for us, along with many other immigrants and Greeks, got payed very well for that job and either they earned respect or prefered to side with the albanian mafia and start killing each other in the streets of Athens.
For the real hard workers, I say again, those that worked side by side with so many others Greeks and non-Greeks I really do have respect :)
But dont fool yourself. Helping is one thing and being the x-factor of a new economical boom in Greece is another.

"can you remind me of any period of history when we've done any harm to Greeks?"
Many. Want to start counting now or should I send all the 10 volumes to your house when I finish it?

"who is the nation that does not have such. We invite you to punish them with zero tolerance and with severity, for their are a double disgrace not only for you but for us either."
At least we agree on something.

Maks :)
"if you are ‘scared’ by 4% Albanians then 14% of Albanians in Greece should make you run for your life"
14% of albanian immigrants? In Greece? On what planet?
And besides, I was talking of ethnic minorities not about economical immigrants. Sorry if my writting has to be more detailed for you to start getting a clue :)

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Carlos, Portugal

pre 15 godina

Just let me remind you all the position of the Portuguese president: "The unilateral declaration of independence is something very abnormal; there are no provisions for it in international law".

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

And another thing yet, to learn how many Albanians are in Montenegro, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Montenegro


Maks, I don't think in Greece are as much Albanians as you state. This is just a lie set up
by Greek ultranationalist to propagate the false idea of "Greece being overtaken by Albanians" to the common Greek citizen. In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

And another thing. Albanians are a factor of peace and stability in the Balkans, perhaps the unique. This facts have been alwasys reknown by the international community.


CIA - The World Factbook: "Albania has played a largely helpful role in managing inter-ethnic tensions in southeastern Europe."

EU reports say similar things, but they're in PDF, and I can't read them for I'm having a problem with my pc, so read them for yourself if you want.

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Maks

pre 15 godina

I might be wrong, but Montenegro will put its sovereignity in stake in case they recognise Kossovo.
Remember there is about 4% albanians in there. And if you think that 4% is nothing, think again. It is albanians we are talking about. For them 4% is like 94%.
(Nikitas, 23 June 2008 13:54)

Nikitas, as you presented yourself as Greek (hope you are although adding “s” your name doesn’t make you Greek), based on your own calculation, you should run for your live because if you are ‘scared’ by 4% Albanians then 14% of Albanians in Greece should make you run for your life :):) :)

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Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Funcakes, Where did you get that information about Portugal?
(Carlos, Portugal, 23 June 2008 15:33)

Obrigado Carlos,

I wouldnt worry too much the fantastical claims of our Albanian friends. So far we have had wine, fishes, highways, skyscrapers, polar bears and nuclear weapons so its nothing new when the yellow press down Pristina way make equally fantastical assertions about Montenegro and Macedonia's imminent recognition of Pristina's UDD, or indeed the 'a new wave of recognition will begin any day now and there will be 100 further recognitions by end of the month" line that has been spun since day 1.

Fact is, its all come to a shuddering halt due to Serbia's determination to uphold its very existence in the face of Albanian irredentism with the backing of Russia and China on the UNSC; not to mention another 160+ states. You can take heart Carlos that the Potuguese government believes in upholding international law with this recent statement from your FM, Senor Luis Amado who stated "the independence declaration of Kosovo was a rupture of the international law and that the effect of precedent does not depend on Portugal recognising or not as the precedent is aleady created, for a breach of the principles of international law and the question of minorities".

So no doubt there of Lisbon's support for Belgrade despite huge pressure being excerted on the remaining EU states who are holding out. I suppose Portugal remembers all too well how its sovereignty over one of its colonies, East Timor was illegally usurped by Indonesia in December 1975 when with the tacit approval of the US and Australia, Indonesia launched a brutal invasion that cost the lives of 250K+ Timorese. But that is for another day.

Right now the illegal junta in Pristina are getting very nervous indeed and will say just about anything to hold off the restless natives and delay the inevitable -

a proper, negotiated settlement that is acceptable to all parties. i.e. compromise.

All Portugal has to do is stick to its guns and Serbia resist at all costs the dismemberment of its country. The rest will fall into place.

QED.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

nikitas, the greek with a slavic name.
I see that insulting the Albanians is your prefered sport, but do you find any bravery in this, hiden behind a pc, miles away. What can't you stand? The fact that Albanians with their blood laid the foundations of Modern Greece (remember the saying "Arvanites are the spear of Greek Nation") or the fact that Albanian emmigrants, that with their swear and sometimes blood, have made Greece have a new economical boom as some Greek economists have said recently?
And if you don't want to consider all of this can you remind me of any period of history when we've done any harm to Greeks?

Of course there are criminals and thugs, but who is the nation that does not have such. We invite you to punish them with zero tolerance and with severity, for their are a double disgrace not only for you but for us either.

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Joe

pre 15 godina

James,

Yes the Serbs make up 70% of the tourists but those are almost exclusively the poor tourists Montenegro doesn't want. They bring their own food, spend very little. Montenegro tries to reduce their numbers and increase the number of tourists from rich countries.

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James

pre 15 godina

Obviously Montenegro will not recognize because Serbia can block it's economy and then even the hardliners in Montenegro would protest against recognition. Serbia can close down the border and cancel all the flights to Montenegro and their tourism will be down by 70% and refuse the domestic status for their students and patients and also cancel the "no restriction" on duration of Montenegrin citizens staying in Serbia and introduce visas. How long would the decision stay? 3 days?

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

I might be wrong, but Montenegro will put its sovereignity in stake in case they recognise Kossovo.
Remember there is about 4% albanians in there. And if you think that 4% is nothing, think again. It is albanians we are talking about. For them 4% is like 94%.

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Vuk

pre 15 godina

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.
(Bokababe, 22 June 2008 21:47)

Because there is a corrupt government in Montenegro which illustrated to it's people that somehow Montengero will be reborn with the war scared Serbia, but now they see that this is not the case and that Montenegro is being sold to anyone with some money I.e Russians.

I am Montengrin and I am Serbian and I can tell my dear Albanian poster that we are the same and Montenegro will never recognise Kosovo because that also undermines the Montenegrin existance just as that of Serbs.

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Gary T.

pre 15 godina

The WEST is using scary tactics so that these states will recognize the Kosovo UDI. Such a shame!! As for Montenegro I hope they will think independently and not to be cowed by pressure.

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gajo

pre 15 godina

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.
(Bokababe its because it just passed because of the minority vote only some montenegrins wanted to separate and since the montenegrins could not vote from other places that's why they separated

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veki

pre 15 godina

If Montenegro chooses to recognize Kosovo independence,they will get more than one tap on their shoulder.But the very next day and afterwards every day to come will be a challenge of how to live with it.
But then again, as a Serb I must say that they are free to do as they are pleased.Montenegro is a sovereign country - they must know what they want and what is best for them to do.
On the other hand I find really disgusting how Pristina tries to suggest things they'd like to happen as their famous 'Kosovo- done deal'.We'll see about that, but that's another story.
Instead of lying you should try to treat people with respect. Montenegro doesn't need you to show them their way.

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

they are just picking the best interpretation out that fits them best, I mean... where do they read that Montenegro will "recognize" the illegal puppet entity at all?

for me the text only says the do not hurry. not more, not less.

but the Albanians here, our beloved friends, are desperately trying to persuade themselves of "Montenegro will recognize us, but they don´t hurry" ... :)

my dear albanian amigo´s...

if they wanted to, the could do it tomorrow!

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Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Montenegro under pressure, that's what the storyline should be.

It's funny to see the resistance of Montenegro, somehow thinking that it can escape the eye in the recognition map.

The attention this month was on Malta and Portugal, which are finally set to recognize on the top of the month. After that's over, the pressurising eye will start moving to a different area of the map.

My guess is that it will be Montenegro's and Macedonia's turn.

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Ahmet Isufi

pre 15 godina

"interim assembly speaker"
I wonder who is using that term , I doubt any Montenegrian official said that, it is Tanjug Agnecy using it for internal consumption.Who cares anyway, what Tanjug thinks(Mouthpiece for Belgrade).

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proud2bkosovar

pre 15 godina

"Montenegrin foreign ministry spokeswoman Irena Radović, however, reiterated that Montenegro will not hurry with Kosovo's independence recognition".
I have no clue how this statement means No Recognition. To me it means not now but Yes in future with no hurry.
Montenegro knows very well that Recognizing the Kosovar Republic is more of a statement on their independent decision ability without Serb imposition.

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JohnBoy

pre 15 godina

What did post before, huh? Look at the comments for the original story of this lie. I am waiting for the UN General Assembly when Serbia will get 120+ votes on their proposed UN resolution condemning Kosovo's UDI and the countries recognizing it. The timing is perfect: less than 2 months before the stupid us presidential election

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Bokababe

pre 15 godina

--why would Serbs go against Serbs we are all serbs just in different spots like republica srpska in bosnia serpski krajina in croatia and in montenegro and so on we are all serbs.

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.

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papajohn

pre 15 godina

Obviously, nothing that comes out of Pristina's politicians, or K_Albin press, is not to be believed. Albanian politicos make stuff up, just to pacify their Albanian citizens. How long before they are forced to tell the truth?

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gajo

pre 15 godina

why would Serbs go against Serbs we are all serbs just in different spots like republica srpska in bosnia serpski krajina in croatia and in montenegro and so on we are all serbs.

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gajo

pre 15 godina

why would Serbs go against Serbs we are all serbs just in different spots like republica srpska in bosnia serpski krajina in croatia and in montenegro and so on we are all serbs.

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proud2bkosovar

pre 15 godina

"Montenegrin foreign ministry spokeswoman Irena Radović, however, reiterated that Montenegro will not hurry with Kosovo's independence recognition".
I have no clue how this statement means No Recognition. To me it means not now but Yes in future with no hurry.
Montenegro knows very well that Recognizing the Kosovar Republic is more of a statement on their independent decision ability without Serb imposition.

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Vuk

pre 15 godina

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.
(Bokababe, 22 June 2008 21:47)

Because there is a corrupt government in Montenegro which illustrated to it's people that somehow Montengero will be reborn with the war scared Serbia, but now they see that this is not the case and that Montenegro is being sold to anyone with some money I.e Russians.

I am Montengrin and I am Serbian and I can tell my dear Albanian poster that we are the same and Montenegro will never recognise Kosovo because that also undermines the Montenegrin existance just as that of Serbs.

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Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Funcakes, Where did you get that information about Portugal?
(Carlos, Portugal, 23 June 2008 15:33)

Obrigado Carlos,

I wouldnt worry too much the fantastical claims of our Albanian friends. So far we have had wine, fishes, highways, skyscrapers, polar bears and nuclear weapons so its nothing new when the yellow press down Pristina way make equally fantastical assertions about Montenegro and Macedonia's imminent recognition of Pristina's UDD, or indeed the 'a new wave of recognition will begin any day now and there will be 100 further recognitions by end of the month" line that has been spun since day 1.

Fact is, its all come to a shuddering halt due to Serbia's determination to uphold its very existence in the face of Albanian irredentism with the backing of Russia and China on the UNSC; not to mention another 160+ states. You can take heart Carlos that the Potuguese government believes in upholding international law with this recent statement from your FM, Senor Luis Amado who stated "the independence declaration of Kosovo was a rupture of the international law and that the effect of precedent does not depend on Portugal recognising or not as the precedent is aleady created, for a breach of the principles of international law and the question of minorities".

So no doubt there of Lisbon's support for Belgrade despite huge pressure being excerted on the remaining EU states who are holding out. I suppose Portugal remembers all too well how its sovereignty over one of its colonies, East Timor was illegally usurped by Indonesia in December 1975 when with the tacit approval of the US and Australia, Indonesia launched a brutal invasion that cost the lives of 250K+ Timorese. But that is for another day.

Right now the illegal junta in Pristina are getting very nervous indeed and will say just about anything to hold off the restless natives and delay the inevitable -

a proper, negotiated settlement that is acceptable to all parties. i.e. compromise.

All Portugal has to do is stick to its guns and Serbia resist at all costs the dismemberment of its country. The rest will fall into place.

QED.

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papajohn

pre 15 godina

Obviously, nothing that comes out of Pristina's politicians, or K_Albin press, is not to be believed. Albanian politicos make stuff up, just to pacify their Albanian citizens. How long before they are forced to tell the truth?

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Ahmet Isufi

pre 15 godina

"interim assembly speaker"
I wonder who is using that term , I doubt any Montenegrian official said that, it is Tanjug Agnecy using it for internal consumption.Who cares anyway, what Tanjug thinks(Mouthpiece for Belgrade).

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

I might be wrong, but Montenegro will put its sovereignity in stake in case they recognise Kossovo.
Remember there is about 4% albanians in there. And if you think that 4% is nothing, think again. It is albanians we are talking about. For them 4% is like 94%.

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Yes the Serbs make up 70% of the tourists but those are almost exclusively the poor tourists Montenegro doesn't want. They bring their own food, spend very little. Montenegro tries to reduce their numbers and increase the number of tourists from rich countries.
(Joe, 23 June 2008 19:21)"

wow. isn´t it interesting, what Joe, the "hungarian american" knows about serbian tourism in Montenegro? ...and who knows what else he does know about the Balkans, although living in the US of A... :)


most readers will know what I wanted to say. the word is "credibility"...


oh, by the way:what´s funny, too...

our albanian friends here are mentioning the "slavic" name of Nikitas... but on the other side, I have never seen so much creativity to invent western-sounding nick-names... as there are Olf, Nick, Joe, Sebastian, louis, and who knows what else...

I mean, isn´t it quite ridiculous to complain about Nikitas alleged affiliation to the serbian nation...while it seems to be an albanian sport to pretend to be someone else? ( of course they are not smart enough to do it successfully, since they are very likely young teenagers with little experience )

as mentioned above, I find it very amusing...

don´t share that impression with me, Nikitas?

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Bokababe

pre 15 godina

--why would Serbs go against Serbs we are all serbs just in different spots like republica srpska in bosnia serpski krajina in croatia and in montenegro and so on we are all serbs.

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

@20, 21, 22
Poor kids, you better have your facts right, both of you :)

"nikitas, the greek with a slavic name."
"Nikitas, as you presented yourself as Greek (hope you are although adding “s” your name doesn’t make you Greek),"

Lol.... That was one, maybe two, big laughs.
Lets see.
The name Nikitas, predates the arrival of the Slavs in the area. Given that all of them were christianised by 2 Greeks and their names (80% of them) is of Greek origin, well, I very much doubt the slavicity of my name. Besides, my name in Greek has a meaning. Does it have ANY meaning at all in any kind of Slavic language?
Ohh nad pst, Maks, the "s" at the end for those with basic knowledge doesnt mean I am Greek, it means I am male.... :)

"I see that insulting the Albanians is your prefered sport, but do you find any bravery in this, hiden behind a pc, miles away."

I dont consider myself insulting albanians when I am only stating the truth. Unless truth is an insult for albanians, in which case I stand corrected :)

"The fact that Albanians with their blood laid the foundations of Modern Greece"

When did that happen exactly and I missed it? Oh let me think. Its those stories again that all our heroes are albanians and arvanites are albanians and all those fairy tales you have been fed with the last 50 years....
Right. You are perfectly right. I am so sorry to not know history. It is the same thing with your national hero who happens to be Greek, you know, Georgios Kastriotis, or amybe is the same thing with the fyromians that want Alexander for themselves?
Lol.... you guys are so naive :)

"remember the saying "Arvanites are the spear of Greek Nation")"
Lol....is that written in the albanian 1st grade school book? Because I dont think you will find it anywhere from North Epiros and southern :)

"Albanian emmigrants, that with their swear and sometimes blood, have made Greece have a new economical boom as some Greek economists have said recently?"
Actually you are right. The albanians with their "swear and (our) blood" have helped us a lot. And frankly, I respect those albanians that came in here, worked for us, along with many other immigrants and Greeks, got payed very well for that job and either they earned respect or prefered to side with the albanian mafia and start killing each other in the streets of Athens.
For the real hard workers, I say again, those that worked side by side with so many others Greeks and non-Greeks I really do have respect :)
But dont fool yourself. Helping is one thing and being the x-factor of a new economical boom in Greece is another.

"can you remind me of any period of history when we've done any harm to Greeks?"
Many. Want to start counting now or should I send all the 10 volumes to your house when I finish it?

"who is the nation that does not have such. We invite you to punish them with zero tolerance and with severity, for their are a double disgrace not only for you but for us either."
At least we agree on something.

Maks :)
"if you are ‘scared’ by 4% Albanians then 14% of Albanians in Greece should make you run for your life"
14% of albanian immigrants? In Greece? On what planet?
And besides, I was talking of ethnic minorities not about economical immigrants. Sorry if my writting has to be more detailed for you to start getting a clue :)

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

Jovan
All I can remember is that it was the albanians the only country in the world where GW bush was greeted with joy. Including his own country. And by a country neighbouring another that got bombed to the ground only a few years ago by the same monsters.
To tell you the truth, all I can see here from the albanian side is that they trully should be named as a "stability factor" by the CIA since they are the only nation to like them. I wonder, why should they name us or the Serbs, or the Bulgarians something positive since it is well known that they are not welcomed here (the american politics I mean, not the poor people)?
I can still remember the naive albanians with the american flags in their hands, feeling so happy that they were turned into a big aircarrier for their master :)
It was a big laugh, still is here :)

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

they are just picking the best interpretation out that fits them best, I mean... where do they read that Montenegro will "recognize" the illegal puppet entity at all?

for me the text only says the do not hurry. not more, not less.

but the Albanians here, our beloved friends, are desperately trying to persuade themselves of "Montenegro will recognize us, but they don´t hurry" ... :)

my dear albanian amigo´s...

if they wanted to, the could do it tomorrow!

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veki

pre 15 godina

If Montenegro chooses to recognize Kosovo independence,they will get more than one tap on their shoulder.But the very next day and afterwards every day to come will be a challenge of how to live with it.
But then again, as a Serb I must say that they are free to do as they are pleased.Montenegro is a sovereign country - they must know what they want and what is best for them to do.
On the other hand I find really disgusting how Pristina tries to suggest things they'd like to happen as their famous 'Kosovo- done deal'.We'll see about that, but that's another story.
Instead of lying you should try to treat people with respect. Montenegro doesn't need you to show them their way.

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gajo

pre 15 godina

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.
(Bokababe its because it just passed because of the minority vote only some montenegrins wanted to separate and since the montenegrins could not vote from other places that's why they separated

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Gary T.

pre 15 godina

The WEST is using scary tactics so that these states will recognize the Kosovo UDI. Such a shame!! As for Montenegro I hope they will think independently and not to be cowed by pressure.

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JohnBoy

pre 15 godina

What did post before, huh? Look at the comments for the original story of this lie. I am waiting for the UN General Assembly when Serbia will get 120+ votes on their proposed UN resolution condemning Kosovo's UDI and the countries recognizing it. The timing is perfect: less than 2 months before the stupid us presidential election

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James

pre 15 godina

Obviously Montenegro will not recognize because Serbia can block it's economy and then even the hardliners in Montenegro would protest against recognition. Serbia can close down the border and cancel all the flights to Montenegro and their tourism will be down by 70% and refuse the domestic status for their students and patients and also cancel the "no restriction" on duration of Montenegrin citizens staying in Serbia and introduce visas. How long would the decision stay? 3 days?

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

nikitas, the greek with a slavic name.
I see that insulting the Albanians is your prefered sport, but do you find any bravery in this, hiden behind a pc, miles away. What can't you stand? The fact that Albanians with their blood laid the foundations of Modern Greece (remember the saying "Arvanites are the spear of Greek Nation") or the fact that Albanian emmigrants, that with their swear and sometimes blood, have made Greece have a new economical boom as some Greek economists have said recently?
And if you don't want to consider all of this can you remind me of any period of history when we've done any harm to Greeks?

Of course there are criminals and thugs, but who is the nation that does not have such. We invite you to punish them with zero tolerance and with severity, for their are a double disgrace not only for you but for us either.

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Carlos, Portugal

pre 15 godina

Just let me remind you all the position of the Portuguese president: "The unilateral declaration of independence is something very abnormal; there are no provisions for it in international law".

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

@Ermal.
Its ok.
When you learn who the Arvanites were come back again and we'll talk. And as you also admitted already, when you learn what is slavic and what is Greek, then again, come back and we'll talk. And when you learn the story of Kastriotis, come back and we'll talk. And when you learn what is it that we call the Kalas (and its certainly not Greeks), come back nad we'll talk again. And when you learn to not compare the 50's with the 00's because of different geopolitical factors, then come back and we'll talk again.
Until then, you have a lot to learn as it is obvious.
I will just waste my time answering things that have already been answered by scientists and historians.

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Joe

pre 15 godina

James,

Yes the Serbs make up 70% of the tourists but those are almost exclusively the poor tourists Montenegro doesn't want. They bring their own food, spend very little. Montenegro tries to reduce their numbers and increase the number of tourists from rich countries.

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Nikola

pre 15 godina

Montenegro consists of 40% Serbs, 50% Montenegrin and 10% are others.When Montenegro decided to be independent state, 51% said they want to live in independent country, 49% said they want to stay with Serbia.Now you do the math.
Anyway, I am declaring myself as Serb,even the whole my family came from Montenegro century ago for a better life in Serbia.I love both Montenegro and Serbia and for me both of those people are the same nation.Every Serb knows where his roots are but when west politics mix then I guess people have to split so they can get a little bit of cash from the west.But they fail in the long run.While Europe joining, they crack the Balkans into smaller and smaller countries so they can control them easier and make future wars.Selling guns is the biggest business next to selling drugs.And selling people.
While they push us into the fight, "other" neighbor countries uses this as an opportunity to take something that ain't theirs.And this is so sad.

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Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Montenegro under pressure, that's what the storyline should be.

It's funny to see the resistance of Montenegro, somehow thinking that it can escape the eye in the recognition map.

The attention this month was on Malta and Portugal, which are finally set to recognize on the top of the month. After that's over, the pressurising eye will start moving to a different area of the map.

My guess is that it will be Montenegro's and Macedonia's turn.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

And another thing. Albanians are a factor of peace and stability in the Balkans, perhaps the unique. This facts have been alwasys reknown by the international community.


CIA - The World Factbook: "Albania has played a largely helpful role in managing inter-ethnic tensions in southeastern Europe."

EU reports say similar things, but they're in PDF, and I can't read them for I'm having a problem with my pc, so read them for yourself if you want.

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Maks

pre 15 godina

I might be wrong, but Montenegro will put its sovereignity in stake in case they recognise Kossovo.
Remember there is about 4% albanians in there. And if you think that 4% is nothing, think again. It is albanians we are talking about. For them 4% is like 94%.
(Nikitas, 23 June 2008 13:54)

Nikitas, as you presented yourself as Greek (hope you are although adding “s” your name doesn’t make you Greek), based on your own calculation, you should run for your live because if you are ‘scared’ by 4% Albanians then 14% of Albanians in Greece should make you run for your life :):) :)

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

The name nikitas may be of ultimate greek derivation, from nike-victory, as
Jovan is of ultimatly Jewish origin. Nevertheles, Jovan remains a serbian name
as it is the serbian respective form of the jewish original name, Gjon being
the Albanian form, Janis the greek, Giovanni the italian and so on. As well
nikita is the slavic form of some corrispondent greek name whiich I ignore,
maybe iit is sth related the english nikolas. Two slavic personalities that
come up to my mind are Nikita Kruschev and Knia Nikita of Montenegro. Or should
we assume that these guys have pure greek names? But who knows, maybe I'm
wrong. This is the part of the post that i care less.
Since we are in name matters here, let me swhitch for a while to Jovan.
Jovan, you don't think that Peggy, Kate, the Irish O'something.... are not Serbs, do you? Come on, let us be serious. But if you want to be consistent you must also assume that Joe is also Albanian, who somhow has managed to present himself as an Hungarian American.

Now let us be serious!

I find it terribly insulting when you do not write my ethnonym not respecting
the rules of English. I find even more terrbly insulting when you spread lies
when you speak about Abanians. What truths are you talking about? Like the one
that arvanites are not of Albanians discent contradicting all scholars, geek
ones indcluded. Or like that other that makes Kastrioti a greek. Even this
time the whole worlds historians are liers? He was born probably born in Dibra,
his capital was Kruja, north of Tirane, hes powerbase was in northern Albania,
he was catholic. What kind of magali idea jokes :):):). But hey, the like of
your kind have found greeks even in Afganistan, so he may pretty well be greek.
Our school books do not even mention them, and that's why I've learned about
them relatively late. As to the saying,i've heard it from an arvanites himself. Arvanites spoke in Albanians, sang in Albanian, cried in Albanian, had our traditions, wore same kind of clothes as ours, and most importantly had our same warlike spirit. Thauy had our typical tribal organizations in pharas (phara in Albanian meens seed, and is often used even as a synonymous of tribe or one's discendence. In greek it means nothing. But enough with this.

"For the real hard workers, I say again, those that worked side by side with so many others Greeks and non-Greeks I really do have respect :)"
At some senseful words, althogh I had to use a microscope to finde them.

Please spear me those 10 volumes, for I'm sure it would be only Megali Idea rubbish.


"albanians the only country in the world where GW bush was greeted with joy."

This phrase doesn't properly make sense but I'll play my part. Weren't the greeks that did the same with Esenhower in the 1950s.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

And another thing yet, to learn how many Albanians are in Montenegro, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Montenegro


Maks, I don't think in Greece are as much Albanians as you state. This is just a lie set up
by Greek ultranationalist to propagate the false idea of "Greece being overtaken by Albanians" to the common Greek citizen. In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.

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Maks

pre 15 godina

In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.
(Ermal, 23 June 2008 23:00)

No Ermal I am not a victim of right wing Greek nationalist. What I meant was not really 14%. I made up that number to emphasize the unrealistic approach of Nikitas toward Albanians in Montenegro. Albanians in Montenegro like anywhere in Balkan never have been danger to any other nationality. Although treated bad in their own land, in their own home, they always have contributed for peace.
Regarding the Albanians in Greece, this number goes from 700,000 to 1 milion or 6-9%.
Here is why:
400,000 to 500,000 are just economical emigrants who are contributing in Greece economy and getting a little in return.
150,000 to 400,000 are just Arvanitas who because of assimilation they are reduced in that number because the Greece repression they are not following their own culture and language.
What about Albanian in Chameria without counting the ethnic cleansing during WWI and WWII.
You can find this info in internet but think about the Greek statistics who they don’t admit to have any minority at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanitika

Estimated numbers of speakers of Arvanitika vary widely, between 30,000 and 150,000. These figures include "terminal speakers" (Tsitsipis 1998) of the younger generation, who have only acquired an imperfect command of the language and are unlikely to pass it on to future generations. The number of villages with traditional Arvanite populations is estimated to 300. There are no monolingual Arvanitika-speakers, as all are today bilingual in Greek. Arvanitika is considered an endangered language due to the large-scale language shift towards Greek among the descendants of Arvanitika-speakers in recent decades.

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ilir

pre 15 godina

To Nikitas.
I am very suprised that a greek is not grateful to America.After ww2 if it was not for America ,greece would have been communist.If it was not for the Marshall Plan western Europe and greece would have been third world countries.And do you remember J.F.K Ich bin ein Berliner?18 years after USA bombed the hell out of Germany.Bush in Albania was a historic visit,we ALBANIANS do not forget the help of the US ,WE ALBANIANS do not smear the americans,you greeks are the best for that,bombing the embassy etc.

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gajo

pre 15 godina

And another thing yet, to learn how many Albanians are in Montenegro, go here [link]


Maks, I don't think in Greece are as much Albanians as you state. This is just a lie set up
by Greek ultranationalist to propagate the false idea of "Greece being overtaken by Albanians" to the common Greek citizen. In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.
(Ermal and what your showing us there is 31,000 albanians in montenegro so what.

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Nehat

pre 15 godina

b92: its not Krasnici its Krasniqi with a Q.

with regards to the topic, i think its all a load a waffle created by the Serb government to lobby against recognition of Kosova Macedonia and Montenegro or Blackmountains will recognise Kosova sooner or later, as its the only way the region is going to be integrated into the EU so the small print on the SAA will save, i hear by confirm that i recognise the soverenty of of Serbia without Kosova, Republic of Kosova, Macedonia, Albania, Croatia, BosinaiH, Montenegro.

the US wants the Kosovars to be the new masters of the Balkans and nothing you do to propaganda against that it will not work.

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zm

pre 15 godina

All of the non-Albanians are wasting their time trying to quote facts and stats to Albanians. They claim to be tolerant towards other minorities yet their country is 95+ % pure Albanian. While they claim to be victims of genocide they have slowly driven all serbs, gorani, romas, and jews from Kosovo and have created a pure racist state. The same logic they use for succession from Serbia they use against the Serbs in Northern Mitrovica. They deny their Nazi past in WWII. They deny the atrocities their current elected leaders are accused of. They deny that drug and human trafficing exists. They deny that they are destroying ancient Serbian sites that proves who settled the land first. They are all that is good about the Balkans and the Serbians, Greeks, Bulgars, Macedonians and Romanians are just scum.

Let me ask all of the Albanians this, if all of your Slavic and Greek neighbors are so bad and your lives were so terrible, then why is your population at it's peak? Why do you seek shelter and employment in these regions and then drive your coinhabitants out? History books do not speak of great long lasting Albanian Kingdoms as they do of Greek, Bulgar, Serb, and Croatian Kingdoms. You must remember that if your past was so glorious and you were so entrenched in the Balkans then why do you live amongst the ruins of Slavic settlements with your newly acquired written language?

In closing, to all of the anti-Serb albanians. When your country becomes as ethnically diverse and mixed as Serbia proper then come on-line and talk about how European you are. How many mosques have gone up in Serbia as compared to churches in Kosovo? It's also really easy to talk about bravery and your recent conquest of Serbian Kosovo with NATO air power. If i am not mistaken prior to NATO intervention you were fleeing back to your true homeland.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

And another thing. Albanians are a factor of peace and stability in the Balkans, perhaps the unique. This facts have been alwasys reknown by the international community.


CIA - The World Factbook: "Albania has played a largely helpful role in managing inter-ethnic tensions in southeastern Europe."

EU reports say similar things, but they're in PDF, and I can't read them for I'm having a problem with my pc, so read them for yourself if you want.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

nikitas, the greek with a slavic name.
I see that insulting the Albanians is your prefered sport, but do you find any bravery in this, hiden behind a pc, miles away. What can't you stand? The fact that Albanians with their blood laid the foundations of Modern Greece (remember the saying "Arvanites are the spear of Greek Nation") or the fact that Albanian emmigrants, that with their swear and sometimes blood, have made Greece have a new economical boom as some Greek economists have said recently?
And if you don't want to consider all of this can you remind me of any period of history when we've done any harm to Greeks?

Of course there are criminals and thugs, but who is the nation that does not have such. We invite you to punish them with zero tolerance and with severity, for their are a double disgrace not only for you but for us either.

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gajo

pre 15 godina

why would Serbs go against Serbs we are all serbs just in different spots like republica srpska in bosnia serpski krajina in croatia and in montenegro and so on we are all serbs.

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Maks

pre 15 godina

I might be wrong, but Montenegro will put its sovereignity in stake in case they recognise Kossovo.
Remember there is about 4% albanians in there. And if you think that 4% is nothing, think again. It is albanians we are talking about. For them 4% is like 94%.
(Nikitas, 23 June 2008 13:54)

Nikitas, as you presented yourself as Greek (hope you are although adding “s” your name doesn’t make you Greek), based on your own calculation, you should run for your live because if you are ‘scared’ by 4% Albanians then 14% of Albanians in Greece should make you run for your life :):) :)

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proud2bkosovar

pre 15 godina

"Montenegrin foreign ministry spokeswoman Irena Radović, however, reiterated that Montenegro will not hurry with Kosovo's independence recognition".
I have no clue how this statement means No Recognition. To me it means not now but Yes in future with no hurry.
Montenegro knows very well that Recognizing the Kosovar Republic is more of a statement on their independent decision ability without Serb imposition.

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Ahmet Isufi

pre 15 godina

"interim assembly speaker"
I wonder who is using that term , I doubt any Montenegrian official said that, it is Tanjug Agnecy using it for internal consumption.Who cares anyway, what Tanjug thinks(Mouthpiece for Belgrade).

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Bokababe

pre 15 godina

--why would Serbs go against Serbs we are all serbs just in different spots like republica srpska in bosnia serpski krajina in croatia and in montenegro and so on we are all serbs.

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

And another thing yet, to learn how many Albanians are in Montenegro, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Montenegro


Maks, I don't think in Greece are as much Albanians as you state. This is just a lie set up
by Greek ultranationalist to propagate the false idea of "Greece being overtaken by Albanians" to the common Greek citizen. In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.

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Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Montenegro under pressure, that's what the storyline should be.

It's funny to see the resistance of Montenegro, somehow thinking that it can escape the eye in the recognition map.

The attention this month was on Malta and Portugal, which are finally set to recognize on the top of the month. After that's over, the pressurising eye will start moving to a different area of the map.

My guess is that it will be Montenegro's and Macedonia's turn.

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Joe

pre 15 godina

James,

Yes the Serbs make up 70% of the tourists but those are almost exclusively the poor tourists Montenegro doesn't want. They bring their own food, spend very little. Montenegro tries to reduce their numbers and increase the number of tourists from rich countries.

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Vuk

pre 15 godina

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.
(Bokababe, 22 June 2008 21:47)

Because there is a corrupt government in Montenegro which illustrated to it's people that somehow Montengero will be reborn with the war scared Serbia, but now they see that this is not the case and that Montenegro is being sold to anyone with some money I.e Russians.

I am Montengrin and I am Serbian and I can tell my dear Albanian poster that we are the same and Montenegro will never recognise Kosovo because that also undermines the Montenegrin existance just as that of Serbs.

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Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Funcakes, Where did you get that information about Portugal?
(Carlos, Portugal, 23 June 2008 15:33)

Obrigado Carlos,

I wouldnt worry too much the fantastical claims of our Albanian friends. So far we have had wine, fishes, highways, skyscrapers, polar bears and nuclear weapons so its nothing new when the yellow press down Pristina way make equally fantastical assertions about Montenegro and Macedonia's imminent recognition of Pristina's UDD, or indeed the 'a new wave of recognition will begin any day now and there will be 100 further recognitions by end of the month" line that has been spun since day 1.

Fact is, its all come to a shuddering halt due to Serbia's determination to uphold its very existence in the face of Albanian irredentism with the backing of Russia and China on the UNSC; not to mention another 160+ states. You can take heart Carlos that the Potuguese government believes in upholding international law with this recent statement from your FM, Senor Luis Amado who stated "the independence declaration of Kosovo was a rupture of the international law and that the effect of precedent does not depend on Portugal recognising or not as the precedent is aleady created, for a breach of the principles of international law and the question of minorities".

So no doubt there of Lisbon's support for Belgrade despite huge pressure being excerted on the remaining EU states who are holding out. I suppose Portugal remembers all too well how its sovereignty over one of its colonies, East Timor was illegally usurped by Indonesia in December 1975 when with the tacit approval of the US and Australia, Indonesia launched a brutal invasion that cost the lives of 250K+ Timorese. But that is for another day.

Right now the illegal junta in Pristina are getting very nervous indeed and will say just about anything to hold off the restless natives and delay the inevitable -

a proper, negotiated settlement that is acceptable to all parties. i.e. compromise.

All Portugal has to do is stick to its guns and Serbia resist at all costs the dismemberment of its country. The rest will fall into place.

QED.

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ilir

pre 15 godina

To Nikitas.
I am very suprised that a greek is not grateful to America.After ww2 if it was not for America ,greece would have been communist.If it was not for the Marshall Plan western Europe and greece would have been third world countries.And do you remember J.F.K Ich bin ein Berliner?18 years after USA bombed the hell out of Germany.Bush in Albania was a historic visit,we ALBANIANS do not forget the help of the US ,WE ALBANIANS do not smear the americans,you greeks are the best for that,bombing the embassy etc.

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Ermal

pre 15 godina

The name nikitas may be of ultimate greek derivation, from nike-victory, as
Jovan is of ultimatly Jewish origin. Nevertheles, Jovan remains a serbian name
as it is the serbian respective form of the jewish original name, Gjon being
the Albanian form, Janis the greek, Giovanni the italian and so on. As well
nikita is the slavic form of some corrispondent greek name whiich I ignore,
maybe iit is sth related the english nikolas. Two slavic personalities that
come up to my mind are Nikita Kruschev and Knia Nikita of Montenegro. Or should
we assume that these guys have pure greek names? But who knows, maybe I'm
wrong. This is the part of the post that i care less.
Since we are in name matters here, let me swhitch for a while to Jovan.
Jovan, you don't think that Peggy, Kate, the Irish O'something.... are not Serbs, do you? Come on, let us be serious. But if you want to be consistent you must also assume that Joe is also Albanian, who somhow has managed to present himself as an Hungarian American.

Now let us be serious!

I find it terribly insulting when you do not write my ethnonym not respecting
the rules of English. I find even more terrbly insulting when you spread lies
when you speak about Abanians. What truths are you talking about? Like the one
that arvanites are not of Albanians discent contradicting all scholars, geek
ones indcluded. Or like that other that makes Kastrioti a greek. Even this
time the whole worlds historians are liers? He was born probably born in Dibra,
his capital was Kruja, north of Tirane, hes powerbase was in northern Albania,
he was catholic. What kind of magali idea jokes :):):). But hey, the like of
your kind have found greeks even in Afganistan, so he may pretty well be greek.
Our school books do not even mention them, and that's why I've learned about
them relatively late. As to the saying,i've heard it from an arvanites himself. Arvanites spoke in Albanians, sang in Albanian, cried in Albanian, had our traditions, wore same kind of clothes as ours, and most importantly had our same warlike spirit. Thauy had our typical tribal organizations in pharas (phara in Albanian meens seed, and is often used even as a synonymous of tribe or one's discendence. In greek it means nothing. But enough with this.

"For the real hard workers, I say again, those that worked side by side with so many others Greeks and non-Greeks I really do have respect :)"
At some senseful words, althogh I had to use a microscope to finde them.

Please spear me those 10 volumes, for I'm sure it would be only Megali Idea rubbish.


"albanians the only country in the world where GW bush was greeted with joy."

This phrase doesn't properly make sense but I'll play my part. Weren't the greeks that did the same with Esenhower in the 1950s.

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Nehat

pre 15 godina

b92: its not Krasnici its Krasniqi with a Q.

with regards to the topic, i think its all a load a waffle created by the Serb government to lobby against recognition of Kosova Macedonia and Montenegro or Blackmountains will recognise Kosova sooner or later, as its the only way the region is going to be integrated into the EU so the small print on the SAA will save, i hear by confirm that i recognise the soverenty of of Serbia without Kosova, Republic of Kosova, Macedonia, Albania, Croatia, BosinaiH, Montenegro.

the US wants the Kosovars to be the new masters of the Balkans and nothing you do to propaganda against that it will not work.

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papajohn

pre 15 godina

Obviously, nothing that comes out of Pristina's politicians, or K_Albin press, is not to be believed. Albanian politicos make stuff up, just to pacify their Albanian citizens. How long before they are forced to tell the truth?

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

they are just picking the best interpretation out that fits them best, I mean... where do they read that Montenegro will "recognize" the illegal puppet entity at all?

for me the text only says the do not hurry. not more, not less.

but the Albanians here, our beloved friends, are desperately trying to persuade themselves of "Montenegro will recognize us, but they don´t hurry" ... :)

my dear albanian amigo´s...

if they wanted to, the could do it tomorrow!

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Gary T.

pre 15 godina

The WEST is using scary tactics so that these states will recognize the Kosovo UDI. Such a shame!! As for Montenegro I hope they will think independently and not to be cowed by pressure.

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

I might be wrong, but Montenegro will put its sovereignity in stake in case they recognise Kossovo.
Remember there is about 4% albanians in there. And if you think that 4% is nothing, think again. It is albanians we are talking about. For them 4% is like 94%.

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

@20, 21, 22
Poor kids, you better have your facts right, both of you :)

"nikitas, the greek with a slavic name."
"Nikitas, as you presented yourself as Greek (hope you are although adding “s” your name doesn’t make you Greek),"

Lol.... That was one, maybe two, big laughs.
Lets see.
The name Nikitas, predates the arrival of the Slavs in the area. Given that all of them were christianised by 2 Greeks and their names (80% of them) is of Greek origin, well, I very much doubt the slavicity of my name. Besides, my name in Greek has a meaning. Does it have ANY meaning at all in any kind of Slavic language?
Ohh nad pst, Maks, the "s" at the end for those with basic knowledge doesnt mean I am Greek, it means I am male.... :)

"I see that insulting the Albanians is your prefered sport, but do you find any bravery in this, hiden behind a pc, miles away."

I dont consider myself insulting albanians when I am only stating the truth. Unless truth is an insult for albanians, in which case I stand corrected :)

"The fact that Albanians with their blood laid the foundations of Modern Greece"

When did that happen exactly and I missed it? Oh let me think. Its those stories again that all our heroes are albanians and arvanites are albanians and all those fairy tales you have been fed with the last 50 years....
Right. You are perfectly right. I am so sorry to not know history. It is the same thing with your national hero who happens to be Greek, you know, Georgios Kastriotis, or amybe is the same thing with the fyromians that want Alexander for themselves?
Lol.... you guys are so naive :)

"remember the saying "Arvanites are the spear of Greek Nation")"
Lol....is that written in the albanian 1st grade school book? Because I dont think you will find it anywhere from North Epiros and southern :)

"Albanian emmigrants, that with their swear and sometimes blood, have made Greece have a new economical boom as some Greek economists have said recently?"
Actually you are right. The albanians with their "swear and (our) blood" have helped us a lot. And frankly, I respect those albanians that came in here, worked for us, along with many other immigrants and Greeks, got payed very well for that job and either they earned respect or prefered to side with the albanian mafia and start killing each other in the streets of Athens.
For the real hard workers, I say again, those that worked side by side with so many others Greeks and non-Greeks I really do have respect :)
But dont fool yourself. Helping is one thing and being the x-factor of a new economical boom in Greece is another.

"can you remind me of any period of history when we've done any harm to Greeks?"
Many. Want to start counting now or should I send all the 10 volumes to your house when I finish it?

"who is the nation that does not have such. We invite you to punish them with zero tolerance and with severity, for their are a double disgrace not only for you but for us either."
At least we agree on something.

Maks :)
"if you are ‘scared’ by 4% Albanians then 14% of Albanians in Greece should make you run for your life"
14% of albanian immigrants? In Greece? On what planet?
And besides, I was talking of ethnic minorities not about economical immigrants. Sorry if my writting has to be more detailed for you to start getting a clue :)

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Yes the Serbs make up 70% of the tourists but those are almost exclusively the poor tourists Montenegro doesn't want. They bring their own food, spend very little. Montenegro tries to reduce their numbers and increase the number of tourists from rich countries.
(Joe, 23 June 2008 19:21)"

wow. isn´t it interesting, what Joe, the "hungarian american" knows about serbian tourism in Montenegro? ...and who knows what else he does know about the Balkans, although living in the US of A... :)


most readers will know what I wanted to say. the word is "credibility"...


oh, by the way:what´s funny, too...

our albanian friends here are mentioning the "slavic" name of Nikitas... but on the other side, I have never seen so much creativity to invent western-sounding nick-names... as there are Olf, Nick, Joe, Sebastian, louis, and who knows what else...

I mean, isn´t it quite ridiculous to complain about Nikitas alleged affiliation to the serbian nation...while it seems to be an albanian sport to pretend to be someone else? ( of course they are not smart enough to do it successfully, since they are very likely young teenagers with little experience )

as mentioned above, I find it very amusing...

don´t share that impression with me, Nikitas?

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

Jovan
All I can remember is that it was the albanians the only country in the world where GW bush was greeted with joy. Including his own country. And by a country neighbouring another that got bombed to the ground only a few years ago by the same monsters.
To tell you the truth, all I can see here from the albanian side is that they trully should be named as a "stability factor" by the CIA since they are the only nation to like them. I wonder, why should they name us or the Serbs, or the Bulgarians something positive since it is well known that they are not welcomed here (the american politics I mean, not the poor people)?
I can still remember the naive albanians with the american flags in their hands, feeling so happy that they were turned into a big aircarrier for their master :)
It was a big laugh, still is here :)

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Nikola

pre 15 godina

Montenegro consists of 40% Serbs, 50% Montenegrin and 10% are others.When Montenegro decided to be independent state, 51% said they want to live in independent country, 49% said they want to stay with Serbia.Now you do the math.
Anyway, I am declaring myself as Serb,even the whole my family came from Montenegro century ago for a better life in Serbia.I love both Montenegro and Serbia and for me both of those people are the same nation.Every Serb knows where his roots are but when west politics mix then I guess people have to split so they can get a little bit of cash from the west.But they fail in the long run.While Europe joining, they crack the Balkans into smaller and smaller countries so they can control them easier and make future wars.Selling guns is the biggest business next to selling drugs.And selling people.
While they push us into the fight, "other" neighbor countries uses this as an opportunity to take something that ain't theirs.And this is so sad.

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Nikitas

pre 15 godina

@Ermal.
Its ok.
When you learn who the Arvanites were come back again and we'll talk. And as you also admitted already, when you learn what is slavic and what is Greek, then again, come back and we'll talk. And when you learn the story of Kastriotis, come back and we'll talk. And when you learn what is it that we call the Kalas (and its certainly not Greeks), come back nad we'll talk again. And when you learn to not compare the 50's with the 00's because of different geopolitical factors, then come back and we'll talk again.
Until then, you have a lot to learn as it is obvious.
I will just waste my time answering things that have already been answered by scientists and historians.

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JohnBoy

pre 15 godina

What did post before, huh? Look at the comments for the original story of this lie. I am waiting for the UN General Assembly when Serbia will get 120+ votes on their proposed UN resolution condemning Kosovo's UDI and the countries recognizing it. The timing is perfect: less than 2 months before the stupid us presidential election

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veki

pre 15 godina

If Montenegro chooses to recognize Kosovo independence,they will get more than one tap on their shoulder.But the very next day and afterwards every day to come will be a challenge of how to live with it.
But then again, as a Serb I must say that they are free to do as they are pleased.Montenegro is a sovereign country - they must know what they want and what is best for them to do.
On the other hand I find really disgusting how Pristina tries to suggest things they'd like to happen as their famous 'Kosovo- done deal'.We'll see about that, but that's another story.
Instead of lying you should try to treat people with respect. Montenegro doesn't need you to show them their way.

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gajo

pre 15 godina

why did Montengro leave you then? They have to choose between EU or Serbia. It's just a matter of time so don't hold out hopes.
(Bokababe its because it just passed because of the minority vote only some montenegrins wanted to separate and since the montenegrins could not vote from other places that's why they separated

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James

pre 15 godina

Obviously Montenegro will not recognize because Serbia can block it's economy and then even the hardliners in Montenegro would protest against recognition. Serbia can close down the border and cancel all the flights to Montenegro and their tourism will be down by 70% and refuse the domestic status for their students and patients and also cancel the "no restriction" on duration of Montenegrin citizens staying in Serbia and introduce visas. How long would the decision stay? 3 days?

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Carlos, Portugal

pre 15 godina

Just let me remind you all the position of the Portuguese president: "The unilateral declaration of independence is something very abnormal; there are no provisions for it in international law".

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gajo

pre 15 godina

And another thing yet, to learn how many Albanians are in Montenegro, go here [link]


Maks, I don't think in Greece are as much Albanians as you state. This is just a lie set up
by Greek ultranationalist to propagate the false idea of "Greece being overtaken by Albanians" to the common Greek citizen. In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.
(Ermal and what your showing us there is 31,000 albanians in montenegro so what.

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Maks

pre 15 godina

In Greece are not more then roughly 300 000 to 400 000 Albanians. Many have left this country for the West, including some my relatives.
I feel sorry that even some Albanians have fallen victim to this lie.
(Ermal, 23 June 2008 23:00)

No Ermal I am not a victim of right wing Greek nationalist. What I meant was not really 14%. I made up that number to emphasize the unrealistic approach of Nikitas toward Albanians in Montenegro. Albanians in Montenegro like anywhere in Balkan never have been danger to any other nationality. Although treated bad in their own land, in their own home, they always have contributed for peace.
Regarding the Albanians in Greece, this number goes from 700,000 to 1 milion or 6-9%.
Here is why:
400,000 to 500,000 are just economical emigrants who are contributing in Greece economy and getting a little in return.
150,000 to 400,000 are just Arvanitas who because of assimilation they are reduced in that number because the Greece repression they are not following their own culture and language.
What about Albanian in Chameria without counting the ethnic cleansing during WWI and WWII.
You can find this info in internet but think about the Greek statistics who they don’t admit to have any minority at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanitika

Estimated numbers of speakers of Arvanitika vary widely, between 30,000 and 150,000. These figures include "terminal speakers" (Tsitsipis 1998) of the younger generation, who have only acquired an imperfect command of the language and are unlikely to pass it on to future generations. The number of villages with traditional Arvanite populations is estimated to 300. There are no monolingual Arvanitika-speakers, as all are today bilingual in Greek. Arvanitika is considered an endangered language due to the large-scale language shift towards Greek among the descendants of Arvanitika-speakers in recent decades.

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zm

pre 15 godina

All of the non-Albanians are wasting their time trying to quote facts and stats to Albanians. They claim to be tolerant towards other minorities yet their country is 95+ % pure Albanian. While they claim to be victims of genocide they have slowly driven all serbs, gorani, romas, and jews from Kosovo and have created a pure racist state. The same logic they use for succession from Serbia they use against the Serbs in Northern Mitrovica. They deny their Nazi past in WWII. They deny the atrocities their current elected leaders are accused of. They deny that drug and human trafficing exists. They deny that they are destroying ancient Serbian sites that proves who settled the land first. They are all that is good about the Balkans and the Serbians, Greeks, Bulgars, Macedonians and Romanians are just scum.

Let me ask all of the Albanians this, if all of your Slavic and Greek neighbors are so bad and your lives were so terrible, then why is your population at it's peak? Why do you seek shelter and employment in these regions and then drive your coinhabitants out? History books do not speak of great long lasting Albanian Kingdoms as they do of Greek, Bulgar, Serb, and Croatian Kingdoms. You must remember that if your past was so glorious and you were so entrenched in the Balkans then why do you live amongst the ruins of Slavic settlements with your newly acquired written language?

In closing, to all of the anti-Serb albanians. When your country becomes as ethnically diverse and mixed as Serbia proper then come on-line and talk about how European you are. How many mosques have gone up in Serbia as compared to churches in Kosovo? It's also really easy to talk about bravery and your recent conquest of Serbian Kosovo with NATO air power. If i am not mistaken prior to NATO intervention you were fleeing back to your true homeland.

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