Kosovo Serbs fearful of EULEX

Dear K.Serbs,
as much as we have right to live in Kosovo,same applies to you!

Kosovo is a newest country in the World and without K.Serbs is not the same!

KFOR will stay there for some time,in few years the hatred will be low,so I believe that you will have more freedom of movement,you will have more Life!!!
You have to be patient as we all know who brought up this mess in Kosovo!

We used to live together for decades and we will live again,only this time as equals!
Try to give some respect to K.Albanians and one day you will get it back,after all we are all humans,we do have mistakes,we do have "bad apples" as well as you have.

Let's prove to the doubters that we can live together!Let's start building bridges between two nations!

We will never forget the loved once we lost on both sides,but we have to move on!

Let's be positive and think positive and pass some positive energy to our children,so in the few years this hatred we have it will be gone!

Gezuar and Ziveli!!!

EULEX has no mandate - Tadic as President must be forth right in his actions and follow through on his words in the UN this Friday otherwise if the EU act illegally in Serbia's province this week let alone next year or beyond where will it leave these Serbs? Tadic will have abandoned them to their worst fears - all for the promise of ...!

Tadic's words mean nothing to these Serbians who need Serbian protection and the states full support yesterday let alone today. If Tadic allows the EU to do as & how it wishes in Kosovo & Metohija what else does he agree to next?!?! Tadic must tell his so called "friends of Serbia" Solano, Barosso, Rehn, etc.. in no uncertain terms there can be no userping of 1244 with this illegal EULEX which maintains implentation of the failed Ahtisaari plan as its mission statement!

This week Tadic most show more then just words for these Serbs deserve little else - 1244 must be fully implemented and allows for Serbian border guards and soldiers to protect Serbian heritage and citizens alike and he must ensure 1244 is implemented fully!

Hi No 2.

Yes communities did live well together - until Albanians made that impossible when they started pressuring other Albanians to drive out Serbs. That predates anything Milosevic did.

Kosovo is not a new country - it is a province of Serbia. There is a thing called Kosova, - but that belongs in the bottom of the sea (or maybe in the middle of the Washington DC).

The Albanian's ambition is mono-ethnic. That should not be rewarded by support for the UDI.

I welcome the concept of you living peaceably together as long as it is in terms of 1244.

Do you have a problem with internationally guaranteed autonomy? You could live together with lots of respect that way could you not?

The first two comments on this piece sum up this never-ending and overworked debate. While Louie calls for reconciliation and peace for the sake of our children’s future, the other guy calls for more of his infamous guards and soldiers reminding us that all we have seen in our near past is not close enough to the expectancy of sanctimonious Serb nationalist

HAHAHA its so comical how Albanians come here on B92 and try and to preach their views on other readers. So any Serb who defends their rightful claim to Kosovo and territorial integrity is a nationalist? Wow you Albnaians are teh biggest hypocrits in the world I think I'll take a little patch of Albania, No Albanian better complain because he is for sure a nationalist and unrealistic.

The Serbs will never concede to anyone let alone Albanians of all people...

Kosovo is Serbian liek it or not, their will be no recognition and Serbia has loyalty only to its self EA but keep hoping if you'd like... pledge loyalty?... who do you think you are?

Mr. Tadic Please dont abandon your people especially in the enclaves in the south of the province. UNMIK should stay in Kosovo province in original form.

Dear Peter, Sydney,
I would love to answer to yours and other guy’s points one by one but I do not see the point at this stage.
I do although congratulate you on you polite manner in addressing this issue. I am afraid to say that from our prospective all your carefully thought points are irrelevant. Having exhausted all argumentative merits and shortcomings of our respective viewpoints I like to point out a fallacy on your methodology.
The problem with the Serb reasoning is that you focus on our independence as an event and not a discourse. We unlike you are not interested in symbolisms or myths. Our needs are far more immediate and progressive. We look to the future while you to the past. That is why the only Serb argument is a legalist posture overstretched like no other. Your positioning is a defensive and static while ours dynamic and gaining pace. Maybe you know something I don’t but from where I am standing you position can be perceived as atavistic in attributes and hopeless in function.

Serbs in Kosovo shouldn't feel fearful at all. They should just accept that they are living in an independent Kosovo, where the rights of all its citizens will be fully respected. Belgrade should close the door once and for all to its past, apologise to people of Kosovo for the bloodshed it caused, and try to build a good relationship with its neighbours. If they fail to do so, they will be isolating themselves, it is them and only them that will suffer from their mistakes...The world knows now that with the born of the country of Kosova, the final riddle in the Balkans is solved...

EA: "I personally do not believe in a "speedy return" of the Serbs unless Serbia recognises Kosova as an independent country or the Serbs pledge loyalty to the newborn country"

That statement is shocking. You are saying that you believe Serbian people can only return to their homes if they pledge their loyalty to an independent Kosovo?

Who the heck do you think you are? And who exactly do you have in mind to 'vet' citizens and decide if they are loyal to the 'state'?!

village-bey:
Could also actually examine what the two posts say.

'Princip, UK' basically says:

> 1. EULEX has no mandate under current 1244.
While I'm no legal expert, from my reading of 1244, & from previous EU statements, EU needs to modify 1244 to enable EULEX - which requires the approval of the security council. So probably correct.

> 2. UN has not approved 'Ahtisaari status plan'.
Status plan needs UN SC approval before it can be ratified. Does not have it. Correct.

> 3. The return of serb border-guards etc. to Kosovo.
Clause 6 of Annex 2 of resolution 1244 does indeed specify this. Correct.

> 4. Calls on Tadic to fight deployment of EULEX.
From a serb perspective, reasonable.


And using your format;) 'other guy' basically says:

> 1. Both K-albanians & K-serbs have the right to live in Kosovo.
No argument - correct.

> 2. Kosovo is newest country.
Without a political settlement, this will always be in dispute.

> 3. Time will heal divisions.
History tells us otherwise - time will treat the symptoms, it will not treat the disease. Incorrect.

> 4. Implied serb responsibility for this mess.
Once again history. Let's play 'Pick your reference point'.

> 5. Time will see equal rights for all.
The world needs idealists, so one hopes this will eventually be the case. For now, given human nature - incorrect.

> 6. 'Bad apples' & 'lives lost'.
Agreed. Sincerely.


Not so clear-cut afterall is it.

They have nothing to fear, citizens of Kosova will have equal rights regardless of ethnicity or religion. We will do everything to show Belgrad how wrong they are, thats the will of Kosovar ppl.

Give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.

@ village-bey

LOL

So what you are saying is that you are crafty criminals , while serbs are hopeless romantics upholding international law .

That's not the way we work here in the EU . What we are going to do is change your laws , since we will be governing your poor land to buy everything of worth to us there ... sorry , I meant privatize and invest in your economy . Then we gonna make you work for us for pennies . We gonna choose among you those who know english and have good education to work manufacturing cheap stuff for the rest of Europe and you will not even be part of EU . You will be an EU managed free economic zone with a lot of hopeless cheap labour force .

Welcome to Europe , enjoy your stay .

"...speedy return of the Serbs driven out of their homes in the province, but believes that no significant changes in the relations between Belgrade and Priština will occur.

I personally do not believe in a "speedy return" of the Serbs unless Serbia recognises Kosova as an independent country or the Serbs pledge loyalty to the newborn country

A part in here about Kosovar minority trusting UNMIK made me laugh. One minute these politicians say that the minority do not trust UNMIK because of the municipality court incident, the next minute they do trust.

B92 is filled with nationalistic Serbs and cynical "europeans", especially the ones from Ireland (read poster above).

As far as the article, Serbs afraid of EULEX? Get real, EULEX isn't a mafia out to kill Serbs, it's an organization that will replace UNMIK. What Kosovar minority (the serbs) are afraid is that Belgrade will abandon them under the new reality and their criminal actions will be brought forth law and justice.

They have nothing to fear, citizens of Kosova will have equal rights regardless of ethnicity or religion. We will do everything to show Belgrad how wrong they are, thats the will of Kosovar ppl.

Give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.
(Pejoni, 22 June 2008 14:06)

they have everything to fear because Kosovo is not Rome, the PM is a terrorist, why should the Serbs trust him. There is absolutely no reason.

Kosovo should handed back to Serbia as the rightful owners and Thaci and his criminal gang should be either exiled or be sent to prison. Now thats justice.

"You have to be patient as we all know who brought up this mess in Kosovo!

We used to live together for decades and we will live again,only this time as equals!
Try to give some respect to K.Albanians and one day you will get it back,after all we are all humans,we do have mistakes,we do have "bad apples" as well as you have.

Let's prove to the doubters that we can live together!Let's start building bridges between two nations!

We will never forget the loved once we lost on both sides,but we have to move on!

Let's be positive and think positive and pass some positive energy to our children,so in the few years this hatred we have it will be gone!

Gezuar and Ziveli!!!"
(louie, 22 June 2008 12:41)

Thank you, louie, for your insightful and well-balanced words. felemenderet (sp?) i read b92 quite often, every day in fact, and comment quite often (and am censored quite often.) but in a site that is so often dedicated to Hate Thy Neighbor, you really manage to transcend that message, and leave a little hope for the future. and i personally really appreciate that, since it is so very easy to get caught up in the mud-slinging, and in trying to correct all of the untruths and threats, which are ubiquitous, and also weird (in the sense of some normal dialogue.)

you really will need to share the secret of how you manage to stay above the fray, and keep optimistic when there often seems little concrete basis for it.

i do know that people of different ethnicities have co-existed well in kosovo, at times; at times not. last yeaR we went into N. mitrovica, despite the great apprehension of my K-albanian friend. i simply will not give in to these artificial separations. nevertheless, there was some tension, and of course the huge banners, begging "mother Russia to save us..." give me a break! still, we spoke to a few people, in a civilized way. there, as in belgrade, in RS, and everywhere throughout former YU and also albania. i understand that these are people of differing ethnicities, but my god, i grew up in a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society, imperfect as it was, and so can the people of former yugoslavia, who actually have had lots and lots of practice doing so, at least in the past.

best of luck to newborn kosovo/a -- ignore the nay-sayers, and focus your eyes on the prize -- your future and the future of the next generations.

peace.

roberto/frisco

Hey Pejoni!! Rome is not located in Serbia. Better you go to the province of kosovo and see the dreadful condition of the serbs and other non albanians UNDER OCCUPATION. The WEST cannot forced its vision to kosovo without the permission of Serbia whether you agree or not. Serbia will never give up!!

--Better you go to the province of kosovo and see the dreadful condition of the serbs and other non albanians UNDER OCCUPATION.

I thought 250,000 Serbs were "ethnically cleansed by Muslims" ? That's 50,000 more than their total number too, so how come they are Serbs still in Kosova?

Duro, 22 June 2008 18:41)

Wether you concede or not is really irrelevant for us, but be aware IC is watching closely and we all know who's playing its card right.

I'm not really sure why would K-Albanians want to live with bad K-Serbs?They insist so much for multiethic state...but we all know in the Balkans there are Kosovo and Croatia, the most ethnically cleanest regions in the world.Both expelled Serbs from that regions and made their own states.Both of this states were nazi collaborators in the WWII.Maybe germany should be split in two states, so Balkans could have some piece.At last.

Dear K.Serbs,
as much as we have right to live in Kosovo,same applies to you!

Kosovo is a newest country in the World and without K.Serbs is not the same!

KFOR will stay there for some time,in few years the hatred will be low,so I believe that you will have more freedom of movement,you will have more Life!!!
You have to be patient as we all know who brought up this mess in Kosovo!

We used to live together for decades and we will live again,only this time as equals!
Try to give some respect to K.Albanians and one day you will get it back,after all we are all humans,we do have mistakes,we do have "bad apples" as well as you have.

Let's prove to the doubters that we can live together!Let's start building bridges between two nations!

We will never forget the loved once we lost on both sides,but we have to move on!

Let's be positive and think positive and pass some positive energy to our children,so in the few years this hatred we have it will be gone!

Gezuar and Ziveli!!!

The first two comments on this piece sum up this never-ending and overworked debate. While Louie calls for reconciliation and peace for the sake of our children’s future, the other guy calls for more of his infamous guards and soldiers reminding us that all we have seen in our near past is not close enough to the expectancy of sanctimonious Serb nationalist

They have nothing to fear, citizens of Kosova will have equal rights regardless of ethnicity or religion. We will do everything to show Belgrad how wrong they are, thats the will of Kosovar ppl.

Give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Serbs in Kosovo shouldn't feel fearful at all. They should just accept that they are living in an independent Kosovo, where the rights of all its citizens will be fully respected. Belgrade should close the door once and for all to its past, apologise to people of Kosovo for the bloodshed it caused, and try to build a good relationship with its neighbours. If they fail to do so, they will be isolating themselves, it is them and only them that will suffer from their mistakes...The world knows now that with the born of the country of Kosova, the final riddle in the Balkans is solved...

"...speedy return of the Serbs driven out of their homes in the province, but believes that no significant changes in the relations between Belgrade and Priština will occur.

I personally do not believe in a "speedy return" of the Serbs unless Serbia recognises Kosova as an independent country or the Serbs pledge loyalty to the newborn country

Duro, 22 June 2008 18:41)

Wether you concede or not is really irrelevant for us, but be aware IC is watching closely and we all know who's playing its card right.

Dear Peter, Sydney,
I would love to answer to yours and other guy’s points one by one but I do not see the point at this stage.
I do although congratulate you on you polite manner in addressing this issue. I am afraid to say that from our prospective all your carefully thought points are irrelevant. Having exhausted all argumentative merits and shortcomings of our respective viewpoints I like to point out a fallacy on your methodology.
The problem with the Serb reasoning is that you focus on our independence as an event and not a discourse. We unlike you are not interested in symbolisms or myths. Our needs are far more immediate and progressive. We look to the future while you to the past. That is why the only Serb argument is a legalist posture overstretched like no other. Your positioning is a defensive and static while ours dynamic and gaining pace. Maybe you know something I don’t but from where I am standing you position can be perceived as atavistic in attributes and hopeless in function.

Hi No 2.

Yes communities did live well together - until Albanians made that impossible when they started pressuring other Albanians to drive out Serbs. That predates anything Milosevic did.

Kosovo is not a new country - it is a province of Serbia. There is a thing called Kosova, - but that belongs in the bottom of the sea (or maybe in the middle of the Washington DC).

The Albanian's ambition is mono-ethnic. That should not be rewarded by support for the UDI.

I welcome the concept of you living peaceably together as long as it is in terms of 1244.

Do you have a problem with internationally guaranteed autonomy? You could live together with lots of respect that way could you not?

Mr. Tadic Please dont abandon your people especially in the enclaves in the south of the province. UNMIK should stay in Kosovo province in original form.

A part in here about Kosovar minority trusting UNMIK made me laugh. One minute these politicians say that the minority do not trust UNMIK because of the municipality court incident, the next minute they do trust.

B92 is filled with nationalistic Serbs and cynical "europeans", especially the ones from Ireland (read poster above).

As far as the article, Serbs afraid of EULEX? Get real, EULEX isn't a mafia out to kill Serbs, it's an organization that will replace UNMIK. What Kosovar minority (the serbs) are afraid is that Belgrade will abandon them under the new reality and their criminal actions will be brought forth law and justice.

"You have to be patient as we all know who brought up this mess in Kosovo!

We used to live together for decades and we will live again,only this time as equals!
Try to give some respect to K.Albanians and one day you will get it back,after all we are all humans,we do have mistakes,we do have "bad apples" as well as you have.

Let's prove to the doubters that we can live together!Let's start building bridges between two nations!

We will never forget the loved once we lost on both sides,but we have to move on!

Let's be positive and think positive and pass some positive energy to our children,so in the few years this hatred we have it will be gone!

Gezuar and Ziveli!!!"
(louie, 22 June 2008 12:41)

Thank you, louie, for your insightful and well-balanced words. felemenderet (sp?) i read b92 quite often, every day in fact, and comment quite often (and am censored quite often.) but in a site that is so often dedicated to Hate Thy Neighbor, you really manage to transcend that message, and leave a little hope for the future. and i personally really appreciate that, since it is so very easy to get caught up in the mud-slinging, and in trying to correct all of the untruths and threats, which are ubiquitous, and also weird (in the sense of some normal dialogue.)

you really will need to share the secret of how you manage to stay above the fray, and keep optimistic when there often seems little concrete basis for it.

i do know that people of different ethnicities have co-existed well in kosovo, at times; at times not. last yeaR we went into N. mitrovica, despite the great apprehension of my K-albanian friend. i simply will not give in to these artificial separations. nevertheless, there was some tension, and of course the huge banners, begging "mother Russia to save us..." give me a break! still, we spoke to a few people, in a civilized way. there, as in belgrade, in RS, and everywhere throughout former YU and also albania. i understand that these are people of differing ethnicities, but my god, i grew up in a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society, imperfect as it was, and so can the people of former yugoslavia, who actually have had lots and lots of practice doing so, at least in the past.

best of luck to newborn kosovo/a -- ignore the nay-sayers, and focus your eyes on the prize -- your future and the future of the next generations.

peace.

roberto/frisco

--Better you go to the province of kosovo and see the dreadful condition of the serbs and other non albanians UNDER OCCUPATION.

I thought 250,000 Serbs were "ethnically cleansed by Muslims" ? That's 50,000 more than their total number too, so how come they are Serbs still in Kosova?

EULEX has no mandate - Tadic as President must be forth right in his actions and follow through on his words in the UN this Friday otherwise if the EU act illegally in Serbia's province this week let alone next year or beyond where will it leave these Serbs? Tadic will have abandoned them to their worst fears - all for the promise of ...!

Tadic's words mean nothing to these Serbians who need Serbian protection and the states full support yesterday let alone today. If Tadic allows the EU to do as & how it wishes in Kosovo & Metohija what else does he agree to next?!?! Tadic must tell his so called "friends of Serbia" Solano, Barosso, Rehn, etc.. in no uncertain terms there can be no userping of 1244 with this illegal EULEX which maintains implentation of the failed Ahtisaari plan as its mission statement!

This week Tadic most show more then just words for these Serbs deserve little else - 1244 must be fully implemented and allows for Serbian border guards and soldiers to protect Serbian heritage and citizens alike and he must ensure 1244 is implemented fully!

village-bey:
Could also actually examine what the two posts say.

'Princip, UK' basically says:

> 1. EULEX has no mandate under current 1244.
While I'm no legal expert, from my reading of 1244, & from previous EU statements, EU needs to modify 1244 to enable EULEX - which requires the approval of the security council. So probably correct.

> 2. UN has not approved 'Ahtisaari status plan'.
Status plan needs UN SC approval before it can be ratified. Does not have it. Correct.

> 3. The return of serb border-guards etc. to Kosovo.
Clause 6 of Annex 2 of resolution 1244 does indeed specify this. Correct.

> 4. Calls on Tadic to fight deployment of EULEX.
From a serb perspective, reasonable.


And using your format;) 'other guy' basically says:

> 1. Both K-albanians & K-serbs have the right to live in Kosovo.
No argument - correct.

> 2. Kosovo is newest country.
Without a political settlement, this will always be in dispute.

> 3. Time will heal divisions.
History tells us otherwise - time will treat the symptoms, it will not treat the disease. Incorrect.

> 4. Implied serb responsibility for this mess.
Once again history. Let's play 'Pick your reference point'.

> 5. Time will see equal rights for all.
The world needs idealists, so one hopes this will eventually be the case. For now, given human nature - incorrect.

> 6. 'Bad apples' & 'lives lost'.
Agreed. Sincerely.


Not so clear-cut afterall is it.

HAHAHA its so comical how Albanians come here on B92 and try and to preach their views on other readers. So any Serb who defends their rightful claim to Kosovo and territorial integrity is a nationalist? Wow you Albnaians are teh biggest hypocrits in the world I think I'll take a little patch of Albania, No Albanian better complain because he is for sure a nationalist and unrealistic.

The Serbs will never concede to anyone let alone Albanians of all people...

Kosovo is Serbian liek it or not, their will be no recognition and Serbia has loyalty only to its self EA but keep hoping if you'd like... pledge loyalty?... who do you think you are?

EA: "I personally do not believe in a "speedy return" of the Serbs unless Serbia recognises Kosova as an independent country or the Serbs pledge loyalty to the newborn country"

That statement is shocking. You are saying that you believe Serbian people can only return to their homes if they pledge their loyalty to an independent Kosovo?

Who the heck do you think you are? And who exactly do you have in mind to 'vet' citizens and decide if they are loyal to the 'state'?!

@ village-bey

LOL

So what you are saying is that you are crafty criminals , while serbs are hopeless romantics upholding international law .

That's not the way we work here in the EU . What we are going to do is change your laws , since we will be governing your poor land to buy everything of worth to us there ... sorry , I meant privatize and invest in your economy . Then we gonna make you work for us for pennies . We gonna choose among you those who know english and have good education to work manufacturing cheap stuff for the rest of Europe and you will not even be part of EU . You will be an EU managed free economic zone with a lot of hopeless cheap labour force .

Welcome to Europe , enjoy your stay .

They have nothing to fear, citizens of Kosova will have equal rights regardless of ethnicity or religion. We will do everything to show Belgrad how wrong they are, thats the will of Kosovar ppl.

Give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.
(Pejoni, 22 June 2008 14:06)

they have everything to fear because Kosovo is not Rome, the PM is a terrorist, why should the Serbs trust him. There is absolutely no reason.

Kosovo should handed back to Serbia as the rightful owners and Thaci and his criminal gang should be either exiled or be sent to prison. Now thats justice.

Hey Pejoni!! Rome is not located in Serbia. Better you go to the province of kosovo and see the dreadful condition of the serbs and other non albanians UNDER OCCUPATION. The WEST cannot forced its vision to kosovo without the permission of Serbia whether you agree or not. Serbia will never give up!!

I'm not really sure why would K-Albanians want to live with bad K-Serbs?They insist so much for multiethic state...but we all know in the Balkans there are Kosovo and Croatia, the most ethnically cleanest regions in the world.Both expelled Serbs from that regions and made their own states.Both of this states were nazi collaborators in the WWII.Maybe germany should be split in two states, so Balkans could have some piece.At last.