DSS, NS, Radicals react to SPS decision

He told Beta news agency that "governments that are made in secret meetings and under the influence of tycoons and foreign ambassadors can bring no good to Serbia".
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The time has not come for a truly pro-Serbian government to take hold. Now that all of the rotten apples have been revealed and are forming a coalition with backing from the EU/US, it is time they all get on board the sinking ship and reveal to all of Serbia the lies and deceit that will come about.

Now it is just a waiting game and all of the instability Frankenstein brings will only strengthen the pro-Serbian group and give the electorate one choice only when elections are next called. I have faith that this will be a short journey and it has already started.

It should be clear to the people that so much deceit has come about and where the source of it lies. I have mentioned before that these people will do anything and everything to hold onto power. However, they cannot defeat the will of the people and that is what will turn this around.

May god help Serbia.

Nikolic is absolutely correct. Moreover, Ilic is spot on with;

"I'm sorry that the SPS has fooled citizens, their voters, and tricked Serbia, because the majority has voted for the national option, for the EU but with a whole Serbia, with Kosovo and Metohija,"

If SPS fail to ensure full clarity on SAA now they can not defend their position later for they have been well advised and now publically so through Markovic of Jagodina ( privately http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=51058 and when the correct result didnt happen publically http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=06&dd=16&nav_id=51122 ) by so called "friends of Serbia" such as the UK ambassador Wordsworth ( http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Bilteni/Engleski/b060607_e.html#N12 ) whos words are worthless for Serbia as a WHOLE since he speaks only for and on behalf of UK interest - he is after all UK ambassador not a Serbian Ambassador !!!

Next elections (even "if" the govt runs full term) will be before any admission into this deceit - that is when there will be the real referendum on EU and no hijacking of a Serbia in EU or not but the real choice - EU with Kosovo (SRS DSS-NS) or EU without (D yeS to all that EUrope demand). There will be no mirrors and smoke to hide this choice and spin the deceit. SRS and DSS-NS will refelect and prepare and are already comprehending the under handed external forces methods and the Serbian electorate are wise to it!

Olli

Please add me to your list of "the men of the past" and check how long it will take you to understand how deep mistaken you were way down in 2008 !

This is a dissapointing dead born coalition which will only freeze the conflict and bar political & economical progress. Very likely that some will break away and join SRS-DSS part. So don't say "Hop!" before you jump.


3 days ago the Dutch goalkeepr said : " We are almost invincible" and now you can see what happened to them. Team "number Van" is on it's way home. So be patient and wait for the verdict.

bganon, there is a difference when the few are one of your own and prepared to put it back where it belongs. Serbia needs to be a global player on it's own feet rather than on its knees serving its masters. As far as I'm concerned, only an SRS/DSS government will help the people and give back what they put in.

The sell-outs will sell everything and give the people the crumbs.

al, Serbia has offered the Albanians self-rule. That is far more than the US has offered. It will take some time for that to sink in. But we are patient.

"[…] that is unnatural and in complete breach of all agreements and projects that were ongoing in Serbia," Ilić told the news agency."

That’s right. This coalition cannot survive unless all elected representatives of SPS betrayed their principles. What about privatization of national wealth? What about cooperation with kangaroo Tribunal? What about K&M?

I have lost faith to my country long time ago when the so called Solidarity activist sat at the Round Table with former communist converted to capitalists.

Serbia was my hope, but is not any more. It doesn't take long that your eyes will wide open and you can see a real, ugly picture of your future. God bless all good peoples of Serbia.

Princip, ZK and Zbyszek,

You are men of the past. Half of Serbs know that today, the other half will learn that in coming years. You yourself will most likely never realize it. You stay chanting your dead slogans on the streets among those selling Mladic pins.

Sorry Olli, but we are men of freedom and not of the past. One of human nature's strongest instinct is to be free and that is why the people will rise.

The reason western values are failing is that they traded freedom for prosperity but prosperity does not bring happiness! Though the west is still strong, it has turned into a failing system so it's just a matter of time before other nations take over.

In this case the people of Serbia will believe they are heading towards prosperity but I'm afraid there is no more to be offered. Well, at least from the west anyway.

What you fail to see is this is about power and control. To put Serbia and its people under Western slavery. Everything of value will be controlled and owned by the few and they will profit handsomely while leaving the crumbs to the people.

There are sell-outs everywhere but I have faith in my people and though the dictators are smart and have plenty of resources at their disposal, the people will resist and eventually demand their freedom.

That's the way I see it and I say that as a Serbian who has grown up in the West. Freedom has no price.

ZK in theory your view sounds ok but in practice its a myth - Serbia is already controlled by the few - monopolists that flood the coffers of all the corrupt political parties.

If you expect that these diseased political parties will resist foreign money / values you will be disappointed.

There is no reason whatever that Serbia won't be like any other country in accepting the global situation. In case you didn't realise it yet (global) change will not come from Serbia, change will come from western countries first.

I see the Pro=Kustunica/Sheshel camp has already started drooling about “traitors”. What happened? You were so certain Kostunica was going to be the next PM. Guess what? You don’t understand much about Serbian politics. In lieu of that, you don’t have any credibility to predict that this government will fail. I actually think this government might last the whole term. By the way SPS was never a nationalist/right wing party. They don’t give a damn about Kosovo. Believe it or not, the SPS has always been a realistic party. They did what they had to do to come back to power. Kudos to them. The good news for Serbs is that the SPS has competent people ready to run ministries, unlike the clueless Blowhards at DSS and SRS.

Bganon,

Off track incriminating are we?

I've not commented here to gain your respect nor anyone’s I have my own respect and I am confident in myself! Commenting to gain respect that has never been my intention - it might be yours but please comprehend that is not my intention. Sharing my view is all that I do here and some can agree while others can disagree - that’s all it’s ever been to me!

Moreover, given your mention of being "social" in outlook yet consistently supporting the more severe privatisation and harshness of economic policy of G17- and so pro-neoliberal appeasement of the so called "friends of Serbia" suggests a mixed up identity at the very least so one week you might respect me (if you choose to), the next you won't - typical flip-flopping I'd say!

Sure I may be born in the UK but I think I have shown consistency in my views that they really are not pro neo-liberal (blatant) consumerism and wastefulness that you seem to encourage Serbia must accept and appease to!

I very much doubt your doing what you condescendingly suggest to me;

“come and live here Princip on an average salary and then lecture Serbian citizens. "

- sure Bganon, just like you have done?

I very much doubt your on an "average" salary - maybe a UK "average" but living expenses of average "Serbian" lifestyle and that’s all good & nice for you, we are pleased for you! But please try not to patronise me for being born in the UK or for currently continuing to be so! For your info when I do come it won't be to Belgrade. Sure I might be lecturing but I'd be praising the strengths that Serbians have and helping them appreciate their best qualities, to help in those qualities those that need brushing up and just refining but not condescendingly picking out their weakness and demonising them for them, telling them they must do this or that because that is the way it’s done in "neo-liberal" world and one must succumb to it in this Global world of "oneness" where everybody is valued as a consumerable object (even from the point of birth) as you would wish all Serbs to appease to just because you do!

What is so wrong that each sovereign state being a Global player in their own right like ZK UK states or I put forth? Sure it does not fit in with the neo-liberal imperialistic consumerism dictate which you so ardently support again and again while protesting "social inclusion"! Sounds like you would have been a huge fan of Blair (who in reality was Thatcher markII) - maybe that is the type of Leadership you want for Serbia?

Fortunately Serbians have a differing view of vassaldom and it’s not your appeasement! In the years you’ve lived in Serbia you would have thought you'd have understood their character a bit better by now!

Like I have said these elections have been hugely beneficial and Kostunica was forthright and principled to call them. That’s something you clearly do not comprehend since your emotional loathing of Kostunica clouds your judgement. Heck maybe you’re a big fan of the Cedomites - who knows do you ? That said it’s clearly in the "appease and succumb" to the neoliberal diktat frame of mind and there is no point denying that to yourself!

But then you’re happy that Serbia will get this 8 party minority government (supported by LDP) as opposed to the 6 party majority that was blocked by very public outside "advice" from UK Ambassador Wordsworth (as we all know the go between for the US) to Markovic of Jagodina and pushing Dacic towards neo-liberal consumerist appeasement of all that the west demand! That despite Tadic saying;

"Any support for Serbia from the European Union is welcome, but I will never welcome anyone's interference in Serbia's internal affairs,"
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=49263#hrono

- words and opposite action! But no mention from Bganon that this is not underhanded - no it’s all fine and dandy!

Well that’s fine it’s time to reflect, learn and prepare because like all democracies elections will happen once more (be it 4 months or 4 years) and this time there will be no hijacking of the real choice - EUropean integration with Kosovo (SRS, DSS-NS) or without (D yeS list, LDP). The Serbs have the Irish and their excellent comprehension of true democracy to thank for this real choice being asked within the next four years at most. Preparation, Preparation, Perpetration!

Then this "Frankenstein" government will have to face the reality of their false promises and ill “advised" coalition. They will not have Kostunica as a scapegoat nor will G17- or DS (Double Standards) be able to cover up their own inadequacy and blatantly scaremonger that a vote for SRS is isolationist for they are far from it. Sure the likes of UK Ambassador Wordsworth might do his best but let’s not forget he is the UK Ambassador and he can only do what is in the UK interest. We will hear more of "its up to the Serbs" again and again in the future as an excuse for poor progression just like that of Croatia's faltering progression that was meant to have joined on 1st Jan 2009 but still no date set and much bogged down in having to appease to Slovenian border dictate and Italian overfishing!

That said you probably are more aligned with views that these elections were not warranted;

""We didn’t betray anybody. If the DSS and the SRS wanted to make a government with us, they could have done so without the elections. Ask the DSS leader Vojislav Koštunica and the deputy leader of the SRS Tomislav Nikolić why did we go to the elections, when we had the parliamentary majority without them,” "http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=06&dd=23&nav_id=51311

- that’s right we didn't need elections - who needs to ask the electorate is the viewpoint of rumoured to be the new Parliamentary Speaker - how democratic!

Thus these elections have been very fruitful - maybe not quite as productive as could have been and that is something to reflect and improve upon but in the scheme of thing it’s laid down the best foundations possible going forward!

ZK absolute tosh. You think it makes any difference for a Serb as to whether he is sacked by Karic or Miskovic or by Bill Gates?

Or does it make any difference if money that you need to live is stolen from your back pocket by a Serb or an American?

Serbia cannot be a global player, wake up. And the political option you advocate will lessen Serbia's influence, not increase it.

Bganon,

I don't agree ;

"- that’s right we didn't need elections - who needs to ask the electorate is the viewpoint of rumoured to be the new Parliamentary Speaker - how democratic! "

I think you'll find I was being ironic (note the "how democratic) and talking from the prespective of the rumoured new speaker who one would have thought should have upheld democratic values but ironically thinks elections were not required and clearly neither did you!

But then you would have been so quick to cry foul if the SRS and DSS-NS had done just that i.e. form a new Govt (which they could have done without even the SPS SRS 81 and DSS-NS 47 mandates could have governed alone) without these new elections. Instead Kostunica acted with integrity and democracy yet you still cry foul either way because you have nothing but animosity for Kostunica who placed democracy firat over power.

These elections have been beneficial in that they have shown up the lack of integrity of those willing to accept anything that the EU demands - EULEX (Ahtisaari) informally now and later on when they believe everybody has forgotten what they said they will go that step further! That is excatly how the EU works and well you know it - creeping, incremental steps each time just enough to deceive - but it won't wash anymore and there won't be a deceit to deny democracy next time the elections in Serbia come round (be it 4 months or 4 years) - the choice will be clear for all EUrope with Kosovo (SRS DSS-NS) or without (LDP D yeS & Co.).

This "Frankenstein" coalition made far too many promises that your only too aware they will be coming short left, right and center and the electorate will remeber and there won't be the usual scapegoat to blame nor could they blame Dacic as the new scapegoat though they and you will try!!!

I guess I was wrong your alligence is not with DS but well and truly with the Cedomites!

Bganon,

"Serbia cannot be a global player, wake up"

- every independent UN recognised State is a global player in its own right - what is so difficult for you to comprehend by what ZK UK meannt?

Well I guess your acquiescence is obvious but that does not mean each an every citizen of each and every state must heed the dicktat of indivualistic consumerism and neo-liberalism like you "choose" to!

Would you not concede that the Irish exemplified that each country has its own part to play and can be a global player that chooses its own path? In which Serbia and each indepenedent UN recognised state can so "choose" their own part too!

Oh sorry yes you agree with the Eucratic version of democracy (closely related to the neoliberalism /moneyocracy over the pond) - making the choice we dictate to you and if you get that wrong we will just make you vote to ensure you get it right the next time!!!

Thankfully Serbia's citizens are not so appeasable as you!

Princip oh I see ZK meant a global player in the sense of any other country on the planet such as Lichtenstein for example. Hardly worth mentioning if every country on the planet is a global player, is it?

You who support the values of neo-liberalism in the UK, lecturing me about supporting neo-liberalism when I have said on many occasions I am against it. What gives? Put your neo-liberal money where your mouth is and come and live here Princip on an average salary and then lecture Serbian citizens.

Serbia's citizens have voted and will receive the government they have voted for.

Spare me the pitiful lectures please. In case you have not noticed my respect for both you and ZK has gone downhill.

Now go back to your I love Voja mantra, mixed in with name calling at those you disagree with and don't forget to repeat yourself every day, no matter if it relates to the topic or not.

Princip all you have 'shown' with your views is that you talk a lot and repeat yourself endlessly. And that you were brought up to call people names if you disagree with them.

That proves nothing. Actions speak much, much louder than words, so you get no credit for being consistent.

Why do you assume that I am living on an average English wage (I am nowhere near that), is it because you have a stereotypical view of somebody with views like mine? Another value judgement from where exactly, seeing as you don't live in Serbia...

And you constantly talk in the name of the Serbian people. They have voted Prinicip and it sure looks like they agree with me and not with your extreme minority view represented by SRS / DSS. And you like to tell me what the Serbian people want - how would you know what they want when you choose to live in comfort in England, enjoying your capitalistic lifestyle and lecturing others for the sin that you are living?

You are right that these elections were benefifical though, they got rid of Vojislav Kostunica.

Yes I'm glad you agree with me that elections were not necessary. If only that childish and pointless debate about the SAA was not taken up as a cause by Kostunica and his cheerleaders (not SRS) we could have avoided elections.

--Sorry Olli, but we are men of freedom and not of the past. One of human nature's strongest instinct is to be free and that is why the people will rise.

Finally a man who understands Kosova and why they rose up. To the rest: instead of criticizing Serbs in Serbia, why don't you live there and see how tough it is to get a job and survive? Try it, then you can comment on why they vote a certain way

--Serbia has offered the Albanians self-rule.

Like the one Slobodan took away with a stroke of a pen? No thanks. The independence will be backed by a modern Kosova army.

As for being patient, as are we. It turns out that Albos, especially in Kosova, have been in the Balkans for some 8000 years

A period of time in opposition is good for a party. A time of self-criticism and change. A chance to get rid of the deadwood, idiots, and dinosaurs. Adapt to the ever-changing conditions of life. Successful govts govern from the middle, in your case the European middle. Extremists can ignite a revolution, but they cannot sustain a civilian govt

Princip, ZK and Zbyszek,

You are men of the past. Half of Serbs know that today, the other half will learn that in coming years. You yourself will most likely never realize it. You stay chanting your dead slogans on the streets among those selling Mladic pins.

I see the Pro=Kustunica/Sheshel camp has already started drooling about “traitors”. What happened? You were so certain Kostunica was going to be the next PM. Guess what? You don’t understand much about Serbian politics. In lieu of that, you don’t have any credibility to predict that this government will fail. I actually think this government might last the whole term. By the way SPS was never a nationalist/right wing party. They don’t give a damn about Kosovo. Believe it or not, the SPS has always been a realistic party. They did what they had to do to come back to power. Kudos to them. The good news for Serbs is that the SPS has competent people ready to run ministries, unlike the clueless Blowhards at DSS and SRS.

Nikolic is absolutely correct. Moreover, Ilic is spot on with;

"I'm sorry that the SPS has fooled citizens, their voters, and tricked Serbia, because the majority has voted for the national option, for the EU but with a whole Serbia, with Kosovo and Metohija,"

If SPS fail to ensure full clarity on SAA now they can not defend their position later for they have been well advised and now publically so through Markovic of Jagodina ( privately http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=51058 and when the correct result didnt happen publically http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=06&dd=16&nav_id=51122 ) by so called "friends of Serbia" such as the UK ambassador Wordsworth ( http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Bilteni/Engleski/b060607_e.html#N12 ) whos words are worthless for Serbia as a WHOLE since he speaks only for and on behalf of UK interest - he is after all UK ambassador not a Serbian Ambassador !!!

Next elections (even "if" the govt runs full term) will be before any admission into this deceit - that is when there will be the real referendum on EU and no hijacking of a Serbia in EU or not but the real choice - EU with Kosovo (SRS DSS-NS) or EU without (D yeS to all that EUrope demand). There will be no mirrors and smoke to hide this choice and spin the deceit. SRS and DSS-NS will refelect and prepare and are already comprehending the under handed external forces methods and the Serbian electorate are wise to it!

Sorry Olli, but we are men of freedom and not of the past. One of human nature's strongest instinct is to be free and that is why the people will rise.

The reason western values are failing is that they traded freedom for prosperity but prosperity does not bring happiness! Though the west is still strong, it has turned into a failing system so it's just a matter of time before other nations take over.

In this case the people of Serbia will believe they are heading towards prosperity but I'm afraid there is no more to be offered. Well, at least from the west anyway.

What you fail to see is this is about power and control. To put Serbia and its people under Western slavery. Everything of value will be controlled and owned by the few and they will profit handsomely while leaving the crumbs to the people.

There are sell-outs everywhere but I have faith in my people and though the dictators are smart and have plenty of resources at their disposal, the people will resist and eventually demand their freedom.

That's the way I see it and I say that as a Serbian who has grown up in the West. Freedom has no price.

ZK in theory your view sounds ok but in practice its a myth - Serbia is already controlled by the few - monopolists that flood the coffers of all the corrupt political parties.

If you expect that these diseased political parties will resist foreign money / values you will be disappointed.

There is no reason whatever that Serbia won't be like any other country in accepting the global situation. In case you didn't realise it yet (global) change will not come from Serbia, change will come from western countries first.

bganon, there is a difference when the few are one of your own and prepared to put it back where it belongs. Serbia needs to be a global player on it's own feet rather than on its knees serving its masters. As far as I'm concerned, only an SRS/DSS government will help the people and give back what they put in.

The sell-outs will sell everything and give the people the crumbs.

al, Serbia has offered the Albanians self-rule. That is far more than the US has offered. It will take some time for that to sink in. But we are patient.

He told Beta news agency that "governments that are made in secret meetings and under the influence of tycoons and foreign ambassadors can bring no good to Serbia".
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The time has not come for a truly pro-Serbian government to take hold. Now that all of the rotten apples have been revealed and are forming a coalition with backing from the EU/US, it is time they all get on board the sinking ship and reveal to all of Serbia the lies and deceit that will come about.

Now it is just a waiting game and all of the instability Frankenstein brings will only strengthen the pro-Serbian group and give the electorate one choice only when elections are next called. I have faith that this will be a short journey and it has already started.

It should be clear to the people that so much deceit has come about and where the source of it lies. I have mentioned before that these people will do anything and everything to hold onto power. However, they cannot defeat the will of the people and that is what will turn this around.

May god help Serbia.

"[…] that is unnatural and in complete breach of all agreements and projects that were ongoing in Serbia," Ilić told the news agency."

That’s right. This coalition cannot survive unless all elected representatives of SPS betrayed their principles. What about privatization of national wealth? What about cooperation with kangaroo Tribunal? What about K&M?

I have lost faith to my country long time ago when the so called Solidarity activist sat at the Round Table with former communist converted to capitalists.

Serbia was my hope, but is not any more. It doesn't take long that your eyes will wide open and you can see a real, ugly picture of your future. God bless all good peoples of Serbia.

Olli

Please add me to your list of "the men of the past" and check how long it will take you to understand how deep mistaken you were way down in 2008 !

This is a dissapointing dead born coalition which will only freeze the conflict and bar political & economical progress. Very likely that some will break away and join SRS-DSS part. So don't say "Hop!" before you jump.


3 days ago the Dutch goalkeepr said : " We are almost invincible" and now you can see what happened to them. Team "number Van" is on it's way home. So be patient and wait for the verdict.

--Sorry Olli, but we are men of freedom and not of the past. One of human nature's strongest instinct is to be free and that is why the people will rise.

Finally a man who understands Kosova and why they rose up. To the rest: instead of criticizing Serbs in Serbia, why don't you live there and see how tough it is to get a job and survive? Try it, then you can comment on why they vote a certain way

--Serbia has offered the Albanians self-rule.

Like the one Slobodan took away with a stroke of a pen? No thanks. The independence will be backed by a modern Kosova army.

As for being patient, as are we. It turns out that Albos, especially in Kosova, have been in the Balkans for some 8000 years

ZK absolute tosh. You think it makes any difference for a Serb as to whether he is sacked by Karic or Miskovic or by Bill Gates?

Or does it make any difference if money that you need to live is stolen from your back pocket by a Serb or an American?

Serbia cannot be a global player, wake up. And the political option you advocate will lessen Serbia's influence, not increase it.

Bganon,

"Serbia cannot be a global player, wake up"

- every independent UN recognised State is a global player in its own right - what is so difficult for you to comprehend by what ZK UK meannt?

Well I guess your acquiescence is obvious but that does not mean each an every citizen of each and every state must heed the dicktat of indivualistic consumerism and neo-liberalism like you "choose" to!

Would you not concede that the Irish exemplified that each country has its own part to play and can be a global player that chooses its own path? In which Serbia and each indepenedent UN recognised state can so "choose" their own part too!

Oh sorry yes you agree with the Eucratic version of democracy (closely related to the neoliberalism /moneyocracy over the pond) - making the choice we dictate to you and if you get that wrong we will just make you vote to ensure you get it right the next time!!!

Thankfully Serbia's citizens are not so appeasable as you!

Princip oh I see ZK meant a global player in the sense of any other country on the planet such as Lichtenstein for example. Hardly worth mentioning if every country on the planet is a global player, is it?

You who support the values of neo-liberalism in the UK, lecturing me about supporting neo-liberalism when I have said on many occasions I am against it. What gives? Put your neo-liberal money where your mouth is and come and live here Princip on an average salary and then lecture Serbian citizens.

Serbia's citizens have voted and will receive the government they have voted for.

Spare me the pitiful lectures please. In case you have not noticed my respect for both you and ZK has gone downhill.

Now go back to your I love Voja mantra, mixed in with name calling at those you disagree with and don't forget to repeat yourself every day, no matter if it relates to the topic or not.

A period of time in opposition is good for a party. A time of self-criticism and change. A chance to get rid of the deadwood, idiots, and dinosaurs. Adapt to the ever-changing conditions of life. Successful govts govern from the middle, in your case the European middle. Extremists can ignite a revolution, but they cannot sustain a civilian govt

Bganon,

Off track incriminating are we?

I've not commented here to gain your respect nor anyone’s I have my own respect and I am confident in myself! Commenting to gain respect that has never been my intention - it might be yours but please comprehend that is not my intention. Sharing my view is all that I do here and some can agree while others can disagree - that’s all it’s ever been to me!

Moreover, given your mention of being "social" in outlook yet consistently supporting the more severe privatisation and harshness of economic policy of G17- and so pro-neoliberal appeasement of the so called "friends of Serbia" suggests a mixed up identity at the very least so one week you might respect me (if you choose to), the next you won't - typical flip-flopping I'd say!

Sure I may be born in the UK but I think I have shown consistency in my views that they really are not pro neo-liberal (blatant) consumerism and wastefulness that you seem to encourage Serbia must accept and appease to!

I very much doubt your doing what you condescendingly suggest to me;

“come and live here Princip on an average salary and then lecture Serbian citizens. "

- sure Bganon, just like you have done?

I very much doubt your on an "average" salary - maybe a UK "average" but living expenses of average "Serbian" lifestyle and that’s all good & nice for you, we are pleased for you! But please try not to patronise me for being born in the UK or for currently continuing to be so! For your info when I do come it won't be to Belgrade. Sure I might be lecturing but I'd be praising the strengths that Serbians have and helping them appreciate their best qualities, to help in those qualities those that need brushing up and just refining but not condescendingly picking out their weakness and demonising them for them, telling them they must do this or that because that is the way it’s done in "neo-liberal" world and one must succumb to it in this Global world of "oneness" where everybody is valued as a consumerable object (even from the point of birth) as you would wish all Serbs to appease to just because you do!

What is so wrong that each sovereign state being a Global player in their own right like ZK UK states or I put forth? Sure it does not fit in with the neo-liberal imperialistic consumerism dictate which you so ardently support again and again while protesting "social inclusion"! Sounds like you would have been a huge fan of Blair (who in reality was Thatcher markII) - maybe that is the type of Leadership you want for Serbia?

Fortunately Serbians have a differing view of vassaldom and it’s not your appeasement! In the years you’ve lived in Serbia you would have thought you'd have understood their character a bit better by now!

Like I have said these elections have been hugely beneficial and Kostunica was forthright and principled to call them. That’s something you clearly do not comprehend since your emotional loathing of Kostunica clouds your judgement. Heck maybe you’re a big fan of the Cedomites - who knows do you ? That said it’s clearly in the "appease and succumb" to the neoliberal diktat frame of mind and there is no point denying that to yourself!

But then you’re happy that Serbia will get this 8 party minority government (supported by LDP) as opposed to the 6 party majority that was blocked by very public outside "advice" from UK Ambassador Wordsworth (as we all know the go between for the US) to Markovic of Jagodina and pushing Dacic towards neo-liberal consumerist appeasement of all that the west demand! That despite Tadic saying;

"Any support for Serbia from the European Union is welcome, but I will never welcome anyone's interference in Serbia's internal affairs,"
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=49263#hrono

- words and opposite action! But no mention from Bganon that this is not underhanded - no it’s all fine and dandy!

Well that’s fine it’s time to reflect, learn and prepare because like all democracies elections will happen once more (be it 4 months or 4 years) and this time there will be no hijacking of the real choice - EUropean integration with Kosovo (SRS, DSS-NS) or without (D yeS list, LDP). The Serbs have the Irish and their excellent comprehension of true democracy to thank for this real choice being asked within the next four years at most. Preparation, Preparation, Perpetration!

Then this "Frankenstein" government will have to face the reality of their false promises and ill “advised" coalition. They will not have Kostunica as a scapegoat nor will G17- or DS (Double Standards) be able to cover up their own inadequacy and blatantly scaremonger that a vote for SRS is isolationist for they are far from it. Sure the likes of UK Ambassador Wordsworth might do his best but let’s not forget he is the UK Ambassador and he can only do what is in the UK interest. We will hear more of "its up to the Serbs" again and again in the future as an excuse for poor progression just like that of Croatia's faltering progression that was meant to have joined on 1st Jan 2009 but still no date set and much bogged down in having to appease to Slovenian border dictate and Italian overfishing!

That said you probably are more aligned with views that these elections were not warranted;

""We didn’t betray anybody. If the DSS and the SRS wanted to make a government with us, they could have done so without the elections. Ask the DSS leader Vojislav Koštunica and the deputy leader of the SRS Tomislav Nikolić why did we go to the elections, when we had the parliamentary majority without them,” "http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=06&dd=23&nav_id=51311

- that’s right we didn't need elections - who needs to ask the electorate is the viewpoint of rumoured to be the new Parliamentary Speaker - how democratic!

Thus these elections have been very fruitful - maybe not quite as productive as could have been and that is something to reflect and improve upon but in the scheme of thing it’s laid down the best foundations possible going forward!

Princip all you have 'shown' with your views is that you talk a lot and repeat yourself endlessly. And that you were brought up to call people names if you disagree with them.

That proves nothing. Actions speak much, much louder than words, so you get no credit for being consistent.

Why do you assume that I am living on an average English wage (I am nowhere near that), is it because you have a stereotypical view of somebody with views like mine? Another value judgement from where exactly, seeing as you don't live in Serbia...

And you constantly talk in the name of the Serbian people. They have voted Prinicip and it sure looks like they agree with me and not with your extreme minority view represented by SRS / DSS. And you like to tell me what the Serbian people want - how would you know what they want when you choose to live in comfort in England, enjoying your capitalistic lifestyle and lecturing others for the sin that you are living?

You are right that these elections were benefifical though, they got rid of Vojislav Kostunica.

Yes I'm glad you agree with me that elections were not necessary. If only that childish and pointless debate about the SAA was not taken up as a cause by Kostunica and his cheerleaders (not SRS) we could have avoided elections.

Bganon,

I don't agree ;

"- that’s right we didn't need elections - who needs to ask the electorate is the viewpoint of rumoured to be the new Parliamentary Speaker - how democratic! "

I think you'll find I was being ironic (note the "how democratic) and talking from the prespective of the rumoured new speaker who one would have thought should have upheld democratic values but ironically thinks elections were not required and clearly neither did you!

But then you would have been so quick to cry foul if the SRS and DSS-NS had done just that i.e. form a new Govt (which they could have done without even the SPS SRS 81 and DSS-NS 47 mandates could have governed alone) without these new elections. Instead Kostunica acted with integrity and democracy yet you still cry foul either way because you have nothing but animosity for Kostunica who placed democracy firat over power.

These elections have been beneficial in that they have shown up the lack of integrity of those willing to accept anything that the EU demands - EULEX (Ahtisaari) informally now and later on when they believe everybody has forgotten what they said they will go that step further! That is excatly how the EU works and well you know it - creeping, incremental steps each time just enough to deceive - but it won't wash anymore and there won't be a deceit to deny democracy next time the elections in Serbia come round (be it 4 months or 4 years) - the choice will be clear for all EUrope with Kosovo (SRS DSS-NS) or without (LDP D yeS & Co.).

This "Frankenstein" coalition made far too many promises that your only too aware they will be coming short left, right and center and the electorate will remeber and there won't be the usual scapegoat to blame nor could they blame Dacic as the new scapegoat though they and you will try!!!

I guess I was wrong your alligence is not with DS but well and truly with the Cedomites!