"Obama understands Serbia better"

Today’s announcement of independence by the leadership of Kosovo ends a chain of events that began with the bloody break-up of the former Yugoslavia. Kosovo’s independence is a unique situation resulting from the irreparable rupture Slobodan Milosevic’s actions caused; it is in no way a precedent for anyone else in the region or around the world. Barrack Obama
"With its declaration of independence, Kosovo and the Balkans with it has taken a major step out of the 1990s and into the 21st century. Eleven years ago, that region was in flames, characterized by ethnic cleansing and widespread violence. Today, for the first time, the region is poised to move forward. The people of Kosovo should be commended for the great strides they have made and the bright future that lies ahead. John McCain
Sounds like their positions are very clear to me.

It does not matter who US president is as far as Serbs are concerned. Serbs just did not want Clinton to win because she was so sure she would. West needed occupy Kosovo, rent free, for its own benefits. Serbs have to fight for their land by all legal means because Kosovo legally belongs to Serbia as simple as that regardless of some silly statements made from Serb haters.

It really doesn't matter who will become the next president of the US. Because of its almost unlimited natural energy reserves (gas and oil), Russia is once again going to be a world power. Whoever is going to be the next president, the US will need to invest in their relationship with Russia. Therefore, the Americans have no other option than to soften their stance towards Serbia...

Thats good news for serbia. however Obama did include Madelyn Albright in his team,
triggerhappy bombing Serbia
without preceding declaration of War? This way Illinoys might vote for Mc Cain after all

Kosova's independence is a done deal. Even if Obama wins the presidential elections and decides otherwise, the recognition is irreversable by over 43 UN members.Obama needs to convince Serbia that it's in their own national interest to unoccupy all Albanian historical homelands and end slavic tryanny on the indigenous Albanians.

jesus... those speculations are so childish...

the engagement of figures like Burns or Albright are very likely owed to the decision to consolidate cohesion and solidarity within the democratic party after the Obama-Clinton-struggle of the last months..

it serves no purpose to desperately try to see some changes in the US-policy only because of those inner-democratic strategic moves...

even if Obama should continue the self-destructive course the Bush-administration has taken... it would only decelerate re-integration of the southern-serbian province of Kosovo into the serbian state, but it can´t be prevented.

just a question of time, and that´s why I am quite confident.

btw: my dear Albanians, instead of talking about Albanians taking over Serbia because of population growth, better start informing yourself a little bit more properly, since the adjusted estimates regarding that development say something quite different, ...but you may of course continue dreaming.... :)

the serbian counter-offensive in regard to lobby-work has just begun, so ... let´s just see what they will achieve in the next years...

I think that no albanian drug-money or prostitution- and human-trafficking whatsoever can achieve more than serbian democracy and serbian spirit.

Neither Obama nor McCain is good for Serbia. We can only hope the U.S. influence continues to decrease.

On Obamas team is not only war criminals Wesley Clark and Madeleine Albright. The worst one of them all is there too, Zbigniew Brzezinski. These people should all be sent to Hague tribunal to answer for their crimes in breaking up Yugoslavia and last but not least, for supporting terrorist organisations in Kosovo and starting the Kosovo war.

"West needed occupy Kosovo, rent free, for its own benefits."

Its not an occupation when more than 90% of Kosova inhabitants welcomes NATO and then West. Get the facts straight. It will be that way for a long long time.

Marco from Amsterdam. Let me apply your logic here. The US is a world power, and one of its allies is Poland, and Georgia. Yet I don't see Russia softening its stance towards these two countries. What makes you think that the US will soften its stance?
Learn not to give too much global importance to Serbia. Whenever you do that you get bombed, isolated, and sometimes it even results in expulsion from the UN. History has a habit of repeating itself. Especially when people don't learn from their past mistakes. Serbia has not learned anything.
I am willing to bet that if NATO was not in Kosova, Serbia would have started another war 3-4 years ago.

"It is not that McCain, the senator for Arizona, has anti-Serb views, rather he needs to better familiarize himself with the situation, says Sitilides, adding that in that respect, the Serb lobbies in the U.S. and lobby companies engaged by Belgrade need to start functioning properly."

You've got to be kidding me! This Stilides guy just lost all credibility. All you have to do is input "John McCain" and "KLA" into any search engine to find out that he has been on the Albanian Civic League payroll for years and made his name on the 1999 NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia!

to the writer who gave himself the ape-nickname... only he himself will know the reason for that... :)

as for those alleged four wars...

as far as I see it Serbia did not start a single war...

in Slovenia, the Slovenians attacked Yugoslav borderposts...

in Croatia, or to be more precise, in Gospic croatian paramilitaries kidnapped more than 50 serb civilians, what has been found out to be the truth even by a croatian court... so much for your nonsense about Serbia starting wars...

and in Bosnia, it was a muslim-criminal who shot the bride groom and his father while they were coming out of the church...

it´s interesting that you Albanians are constantly misrepresenting facts

as for the US being your allies... *laugh* , ...you will see how good friends they are when they let you down.

Yes. Earlier this week, Obama included several high-profile supporters of Clinton, such as former secretary of state Madeleine Albright and retired Gen. Wesley Clark in meetings to advise him on national security.
Also, recently he added the former deputy secretary Nicholas Burns as an adviser to the Balkans.

Obama is a disgrace. He has lied about every aspect of his campaign, Mr. i don't take money from the lobbiest, even though he took millions from the Greek-American lobby which wants Kosova wiped off the map.

>> I think that no albanian drug-money or prostitution- and human-trafficking whatsoever can achieve more than serbian democracy and serbian spirit.

I think you have no clue that Serbia was the biggest boosts to any mafia, in fact Serbia was (and somewhat still is) a mafia state. Dead prime minster? Arkan? As far as the Serbian spirit? What have you achieved with your spirit? ZILCH. You started 4 wars and lost them all because without Russia you are nothing. As per economy: Watch Albania. It will catch you in 2 years, if it hasn't already done so. Oh, about Serbian democracy. Come on, stop making us laugh.

Obama: Independence is a done deal. No US president will overturn, not even if the Serboi ;) give him $10 Billion. When the US speaks, it is so and the next President follows it so the credibility stays the same. Plus, EU is taking over anyway.

Regarding occupation: If Russia wanted a base in Serbia you would set it up in 10 seconds. Too bad you're landlocked, otherwise Pootie Poot would have set up a port already. Albos are aligning with the West so it's not an occupation.

Jovan who gave Serbia the right to protect Jugoslavia. Who gave Serbia the right to attack the other republics because they did not to be part of Jugoslavia. Also you shamelessly say Serbia did not start any wars. Yet I saw no Slovenian tanks in Belgrade, no Croatian tanks in Belgrade, no Bosnian tanks in Belgrade, and definitely no Kosova tanks in Belgrade. So how is it that Serbia according to your shameless statement started no wars, yet its war machinery and its soldiers were in 4 different places in the same decade, killing, pillaging and raping people. Who gave Serbia the right to attack other places in order to preserve Jugoslavia?

Mr.Barak"Husein"Obama,doesn't understand anything,he has to tell us,"who he is first"(let along understanding serbia better...!)We(The US)need a president who understand the world better than just "painting"a brighter picture with soft and nice words,thats>> Mr.Obama.The right choice for US pres.would be Sen.J McCain he is a fair and straight talker...he lives in the reall time and reall world...!PS. Nobody hates Serbia but seames to me that Serbia hates every body!When it commes to Kosovo,all i can say is:God bless USA,and the western Democratic World...!

If it's true then Fatimir and Hashim will be very upset as Bush promised to handover kosovo to KLA. anyway what ever happens in the US elections it will have small significance to Serbia. Serbia should stay close to Russia!!

Obama might be familiar with the Serbian stance on the issue, however I'm sure once he gets familiar with the way Washington works...he'll see who holds the corner stone in the Balkans.

Anger the Albanians and you sign off the Balkans to the Russians.

No matter who's in power in Washington, Albanians win.

DC ain't Illinois

Neither Obama or McCain will change things. In fact, I don't see either one being positive for the U.S let alone the Balkans.

However, it's a long time until Novemeber and we'll be learning quite a bit about both men. At the moment, I see Obama as being the better of two evils for Serbs. That could come into big play in Ohio where no republican has ever won without taking that state.

Johny @20 stop distorting the facts.
"I did not see tanks bla bla bla". At the time the whole region was Yugoslavia and Serbs lived in their areas.

It was the Serbian popultion which came under attack from the Croatians and Muslims WHILE they were still part of Yugoslavia.
Seribia did NOT go in with their tanks and attack another country. The whole country was Yugoslavia.
The separatists started the mess because they wanted to break away.

Once the republics got their independence civil war was still in full swing. Serbs from Croatian parts and Bosnia were fighting for their lives and homes. Serbia did not invade anyone.
Local Serbs were in a civil war with the others.

Now, you know this very well so why do you pretend that you are so ignorant and try to paint a picture of Serbian tanks from Serbia rolling in to attack their neighbours?

Civil war is not one country attacking another.
So where do you see Serbia starting a war?

Who wanted to separate is who started the war.

When the Serbian church in Phoenix, Arizona (McCain's home state) was desecrated with Swastikas and filthy Croatian language written on its exterior, McCain remained silent. After accepting over one million dollars from the Albanian lobby in the US, McCain sent his wife to Kosovo and she met with Hashim Tachi, the Prime Minister with the bloodiest hands in the region.

As for Obama, his own remarks, and half-truths betray him. If elected all the old Serbophobes will return to the scene of the crime like, Holbrooke, Gen. Clark, Madeleine Albright, Burns and yes, even William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary who encouraged her husband to bomb the Serbs, an illegal attack on a sovereign nation without an act of Congress or a vote at the UN. He violated the Geneva Conventions, the Helsinki Final Act the Un Charter and the Nato Treaty.

What the Serbs need to understand is that the EU and NATO did $60 billion in damage to their country and most of them have refused to rebuild that damage. If Gen. Mladic and Dr. Karadzic were turned over to The Hague tomorrow, the US would suddenly move the goal post and make new demands for Serbs to capitculate. The final demand will spell total surrender and the demise of the Serbian people as an ethnic race. The EU needs Serbia more than Serbia needs those who destroyed their bridges on the Danube, bombed their schools, hospitals, nursing homes and churches then pretend they did this for "humanitarian reasons." Only EU and NATO morons bombed entire Serbian villages including cemeteries...now Serbs are supposed to kiss their back sides and climb in bed with such monsters?

Gen. Clark used illegal cluster bombs on Serbian women and children, now we are supposed to praise his military expertise by killing and destroying Serbia from 30,000 feet which was like shooting fish in a barrel?

Eisenhower was right... "Be ware of the industrial-military complex." Remember Camp Bondsteel is part of that military theft of Serbian property without a single Dinar going to those Serbs who once owned that land. Now we are being spoon-fed that the Albanians are "indigenous people" in Kosovo? When the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes was formed in 1918 the Albanians represented 5% of the population. Now we are being told 90 years later "Albanians represent 90%" without anyone in politics or the media telling the world that 40% of those Albanians were not born in Former Yugoslavia and are illegal aliens who cross the border from Albanian into Kosovo as easily as Mexicans cross our border each night in San Diego, California. Giving such illegals more rights then indigenous Serbs who have lived in Kosovo for a thousand years and built 1,500 churches only reveals the depth to which the West will stoop in building new nations... by force if necessary.

This is why the West remains silent that over 150 ancient Serbian churches have been razed in the past 6 years, right under the noses of 17,000 NATO troops while pretending that Serbs have no right including cultural or religious rights. May these creatures of American politics burn in hell for their real crimes against humanity!

Wm. Dorich, Los Angeles
The writer is the author of 5 books on Balkan history and music including his 1992 book, Kosovo.

"Obama understands Serbia better"

Only eight years ago, the same thing was said about G.W. Bush...

"Obama understands Serbia better"

What is that Se... Se... Suburbia to begin with? Is it in France?

http://tinyurl.com/3mg3ma

That's precisely what the majority of Americans do know and do care.

The only good thing about Obama is, his objective is not to increase the tensions and he is not part of Halliburton mafia. That is good enough. We can't expect American public be mature to elect Kucinic or Blagojevic.

My God, is this what Serbia is left to count on as encouragement on their cause?

Peggy; are you telling us with the innocent Serbs that couldn't possible harm anyone, were basically attacked by the simple fact that non-Serbs wanted out of that federation? The threat alone justifies Serb retaliation,right? Didn't each Republic have a constitutional right to opt out of the federation, especially after it's collapse?

It was the Serbian popultion which came under attack from the Croatians and Muslims WHILE they were still part of Yugoslavia.

>>That is not factually true and you know it. How is it possible that all these republics and all these territories decided to one day attack the Serbs simultaneously? Do you wake up one morning and decide to beat an Albanian. I have lots of doubts that you do. If they decided to attack the Serbs, then why not just attack Serbia. Why not send tanks inside Serbia just like Serbia sent tanks in these places? Maybe, just maybe, Serbia did not agree with these republics opting out of the federation, took matters in its own hands and decided to attack, defeat them and preserve the federation, even though it had no right to do so.

Seribia did NOT go in with their tanks and attack another country. The whole country was Yugoslavia.

>> Yugoslavia was not a unitary country. It was a federation. Serbia as an equal republic in this federation sent tanks to other republics and attacked them. I don't think it would have been ok if say Croatia sent tanks in Belgrade and justify it by saying it is ok for Croatia to do so because it was part of Jugoslavia. I do not think that the constitution of Jugoslvia had a special provision that allowed Serbia to send tanks and troops to any other republic or member of the federation and attack them.


The separatists started the mess because they wanted to break away.

>> Again they had the right to do so. Under the constitution there was no provision which gave Serbia or any of the other republics or members of the federation the right to preserve the federation by unilaterally attacking the other members of the federation. Nobody gave Serbia the right to preserve the federation.

Once the republics got their independence civil war was still in full swing. Serbs from Croatian parts and Bosnia were fighting for their lives and homes. Serbia did not invade anyone.

>> If Serbia did not invade anyone what were Serbian troops and war machinery from Serbia doing in these places? Why where the military orders coming from Belgrade? Why was there military personnel from Belgrade in charge of the operations?

Local Serbs were in a civil war with the others.

>> They were because they were burning all these other republics to the ground. In Kosova it was the Serbian neighbors that burned the homes of their Albanian neighbors.

Now, you know this very well so why do you pretend that you are so ignorant and try to paint a picture of Serbian tanks from Serbia rolling in to attack their neighbours?

>> I congratulate you on your lame try at disguising an offense towards me. I don't know how to paint. Fact is Serbian tanks did roll from Serbia and attacked their neighbors. The orders to do this did come from Belgrade.


Civil war is not one country attacking another.
So where do you see Serbia starting a war?

>> Members of a union decide to break since they can do so. Serbia attacks them and sends in troops, tanks and other war machinery. That is how Serbia started these wars.

Who wanted to separate is who started the war.

>> Again there was nothing that prevented them to separate. They had the right to separate. Serbia had no right to prevent this separation. There was no provision in the constitution of Jugoslavia that gave Serbia the right to attack any member of the federation if they decided to opt out of the federation.
(Peggy, 23 June 2008 05:20)


"The republics may have had the right, according to the west. Autonomous provinces sure didnt. Don't forget to reply with the usual "De facto Republic" or "Special Case"... You said it all already.
(Alex, 23 June 2008 17:17)"


According to the Jugoslav constitution the autonomy of Kosova could be annulled only if all the members of the federation agreed, Kosova included.
Kosova's autonomy was annulled without the voting of the other members of the federation and of course without the voting and agreement of Kosova. Since one member of the Federation, that is Serbia, willfully and knowingly acted unconstitutionally and unlawfully, that gave us the right secede from the federation since the federation no longer guaranteed our rights as they were stated in the constitution.

You know what will happen when the dollar keeps falling at this rate. The Asians start selling the dollar massively. America cuts itself of from the rest of the world. I don't think Americas support for an independant Kosovo will last for long. There's a world economic crisis coming. All because of Americans who spend to much money.

"That's like saying "why do orders come from Washington". My dear Albanian friend, orders came from Belgrade, Serbia because that is where the capital of Jugoslavia was.

KOSOVO IS SERBIAN
(Steve, 24 June 2008 09:04) "

So are you telling me that when all this was happening there were Croatian and Bosnian officials in Belgrade giving orders to attack Croatia and Bosnia. That there were Croatian and Bosnian Generals in Belgrade giving order to bomb and burn Croatia and Bosnia to the ground. That there were Albanian officials in Belgrade and Albanian generals in Belgrade giving orders to bomb and burn Kosova.

Tesla you said:
You are right to say that republics could separate from the federation legally but and this is a big BUT only if all those republics agreed with it."

Since you know the constitution so well, can you please point me where in the constitution it was stated that if one republic decided to split, then Serbia had the right to attack it.

Also since you mention that you know the constitution, can you please point out where it is stated that one of the republics, Serbia, had the right to change the status, (read annul autonomy), of one of the constituent part(read Kosova) of the federation. I am pretty sure that all the the members of the federation need to agree in order to change the status of another member of the federation, including the member in question. That was guaranteed by the constitution.

Where in the constitution was stated the Serbia had the right to punish these other republics. Also do you think that Serbia did not breach the constitution?

Johny, you mixed everything up. First of all, you have to make difference between JNA (Jugoslavenska Narodna Armija), Krajina Army (Serbs in Croatia), Army of Serbs from Bosna i Herzegovina and Army of Serbian state. They are all different.

As you know, JNA was not Serbian but Army of the Yugoslav Federation. All nations of SFRJ were represented in JNA. When war in Slovenia began President of Yugoslavia was Ante Markovic, Croat, and commander of Army half Croat half Serb and commander of Air Force Croat.

Republics could become independent after negotiations, if other republics agreed. In Bosnia and Herzegovina independence could come only if all three nations agreed. Muslims and Croats choose to ignore Bosnian Serbs. Extreme nationalists attacked Serbs in both Croatia and Bosnia. Serbia had a right and duty to protect human rights of the attacked Serbs.

The republics may have had the right, according to the west. Autonomous provinces sure didnt. Don't forget to reply with the usual "De facto Republic" or "Special Case"... You said it all already.

Johny: the same could be said for the USA, who gave them the right to attack Iraq?? On a lie as well. Kosovo is allowed to be independent because of serval factors, 1) war on terror, having them and the Bosnain muslims on side limits the terror risk. 2) Minerals. The EU and US have the power to control this. Kosovo WILL NEVER be a truly independent state, the Albanians are puppets in the greater scheme of things. Its abit like Russian democracy, totally managed. Oh yes Kosovo just remember Iraq was supported and funded by the US once and so was the Taliban against the Soviet Union, see how things can change.

More arrogance from the Obama campaign. Word of advice Mr. Obama, leave Serbia alone! We aren't pushovers like the white majority in America.

johny, you did not get it right regarding the Yugoslav constitution. You are right to say that republics could separate from the federation legally but and this is a big BUT only if all those republics agreed with it. This was thought to be a clever mechanism to prevent a violent breakup but unfortunately it did not work out as expected. Apart from Croatia and Slovenia unilaterally declaring their indepedence the EU also rushed to encourage them and then to recognize them in breach of the Yugoslav constitution. Law means nothing if there is no punishment for its breach so I am sure the EU, USA and other countries who wanted to go against the law then as they are doing it now have very little respect for the rule of law. If there are no consequences for their illegal actions. And I know the last Yugoslav constitution extremly well. Anyway keep peddling your vicious propaganda as much as you like but remember what I said to you. One day we are all going to answer for our deeds.

johnny said:
>> If Serbia did not invade anyone what were Serbian troops and war machinery from Serbia doing in these places? Why where the military orders coming from Belgrade? Why was there military personnel from Belgrade in charge of the operations?

That's like saying "why do orders come from Washington". My dear Albanian friend, orders came from Belgrade, Serbia because that is where the capital of Jugoslavia was.

KOSOVO IS SERBIAN

This is clearly a lie there is no report of news article on the official website of Woodrow Wilson International Centre. And even if there was this untrue as clearly stated above the statement made by Obama was clear that the region has moved on and the people of Kosova have a clear and bright future.

and another point you either have Russia or USA you simply cant have them both and fortunately we the Kosova-Albanian have the Americans and we are guaranteed for the next 200 hundred years, if by then the Kosovars don't take over the region we might have a problem :)

Kosova's independence is a done deal. Even if Obama wins the presidential elections and decides otherwise, the recognition is irreversable by over 43 UN members.Obama needs to convince Serbia that it's in their own national interest to unoccupy all Albanian historical homelands and end slavic tryanny on the indigenous Albanians.

>> I think that no albanian drug-money or prostitution- and human-trafficking whatsoever can achieve more than serbian democracy and serbian spirit.

I think you have no clue that Serbia was the biggest boosts to any mafia, in fact Serbia was (and somewhat still is) a mafia state. Dead prime minster? Arkan? As far as the Serbian spirit? What have you achieved with your spirit? ZILCH. You started 4 wars and lost them all because without Russia you are nothing. As per economy: Watch Albania. It will catch you in 2 years, if it hasn't already done so. Oh, about Serbian democracy. Come on, stop making us laugh.

Obama: Independence is a done deal. No US president will overturn, not even if the Serboi ;) give him $10 Billion. When the US speaks, it is so and the next President follows it so the credibility stays the same. Plus, EU is taking over anyway.

Regarding occupation: If Russia wanted a base in Serbia you would set it up in 10 seconds. Too bad you're landlocked, otherwise Pootie Poot would have set up a port already. Albos are aligning with the West so it's not an occupation.

Today’s announcement of independence by the leadership of Kosovo ends a chain of events that began with the bloody break-up of the former Yugoslavia. Kosovo’s independence is a unique situation resulting from the irreparable rupture Slobodan Milosevic’s actions caused; it is in no way a precedent for anyone else in the region or around the world. Barrack Obama
"With its declaration of independence, Kosovo and the Balkans with it has taken a major step out of the 1990s and into the 21st century. Eleven years ago, that region was in flames, characterized by ethnic cleansing and widespread violence. Today, for the first time, the region is poised to move forward. The people of Kosovo should be commended for the great strides they have made and the bright future that lies ahead. John McCain
Sounds like their positions are very clear to me.

jesus... those speculations are so childish...

the engagement of figures like Burns or Albright are very likely owed to the decision to consolidate cohesion and solidarity within the democratic party after the Obama-Clinton-struggle of the last months..

it serves no purpose to desperately try to see some changes in the US-policy only because of those inner-democratic strategic moves...

even if Obama should continue the self-destructive course the Bush-administration has taken... it would only decelerate re-integration of the southern-serbian province of Kosovo into the serbian state, but it can´t be prevented.

just a question of time, and that´s why I am quite confident.

btw: my dear Albanians, instead of talking about Albanians taking over Serbia because of population growth, better start informing yourself a little bit more properly, since the adjusted estimates regarding that development say something quite different, ...but you may of course continue dreaming.... :)

the serbian counter-offensive in regard to lobby-work has just begun, so ... let´s just see what they will achieve in the next years...

I think that no albanian drug-money or prostitution- and human-trafficking whatsoever can achieve more than serbian democracy and serbian spirit.

It does not matter who US president is as far as Serbs are concerned. Serbs just did not want Clinton to win because she was so sure she would. West needed occupy Kosovo, rent free, for its own benefits. Serbs have to fight for their land by all legal means because Kosovo legally belongs to Serbia as simple as that regardless of some silly statements made from Serb haters.

"West needed occupy Kosovo, rent free, for its own benefits."

Its not an occupation when more than 90% of Kosova inhabitants welcomes NATO and then West. Get the facts straight. It will be that way for a long long time.

Marco from Amsterdam. Let me apply your logic here. The US is a world power, and one of its allies is Poland, and Georgia. Yet I don't see Russia softening its stance towards these two countries. What makes you think that the US will soften its stance?
Learn not to give too much global importance to Serbia. Whenever you do that you get bombed, isolated, and sometimes it even results in expulsion from the UN. History has a habit of repeating itself. Especially when people don't learn from their past mistakes. Serbia has not learned anything.
I am willing to bet that if NATO was not in Kosova, Serbia would have started another war 3-4 years ago.

Neither Obama nor McCain is good for Serbia. We can only hope the U.S. influence continues to decrease.

On Obamas team is not only war criminals Wesley Clark and Madeleine Albright. The worst one of them all is there too, Zbigniew Brzezinski. These people should all be sent to Hague tribunal to answer for their crimes in breaking up Yugoslavia and last but not least, for supporting terrorist organisations in Kosovo and starting the Kosovo war.

Mr.Barak"Husein"Obama,doesn't understand anything,he has to tell us,"who he is first"(let along understanding serbia better...!)We(The US)need a president who understand the world better than just "painting"a brighter picture with soft and nice words,thats>> Mr.Obama.The right choice for US pres.would be Sen.J McCain he is a fair and straight talker...he lives in the reall time and reall world...!PS. Nobody hates Serbia but seames to me that Serbia hates every body!When it commes to Kosovo,all i can say is:God bless USA,and the western Democratic World...!

Jovan who gave Serbia the right to protect Jugoslavia. Who gave Serbia the right to attack the other republics because they did not to be part of Jugoslavia. Also you shamelessly say Serbia did not start any wars. Yet I saw no Slovenian tanks in Belgrade, no Croatian tanks in Belgrade, no Bosnian tanks in Belgrade, and definitely no Kosova tanks in Belgrade. So how is it that Serbia according to your shameless statement started no wars, yet its war machinery and its soldiers were in 4 different places in the same decade, killing, pillaging and raping people. Who gave Serbia the right to attack other places in order to preserve Jugoslavia?

When the Serbian church in Phoenix, Arizona (McCain's home state) was desecrated with Swastikas and filthy Croatian language written on its exterior, McCain remained silent. After accepting over one million dollars from the Albanian lobby in the US, McCain sent his wife to Kosovo and she met with Hashim Tachi, the Prime Minister with the bloodiest hands in the region.

As for Obama, his own remarks, and half-truths betray him. If elected all the old Serbophobes will return to the scene of the crime like, Holbrooke, Gen. Clark, Madeleine Albright, Burns and yes, even William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary who encouraged her husband to bomb the Serbs, an illegal attack on a sovereign nation without an act of Congress or a vote at the UN. He violated the Geneva Conventions, the Helsinki Final Act the Un Charter and the Nato Treaty.

What the Serbs need to understand is that the EU and NATO did $60 billion in damage to their country and most of them have refused to rebuild that damage. If Gen. Mladic and Dr. Karadzic were turned over to The Hague tomorrow, the US would suddenly move the goal post and make new demands for Serbs to capitculate. The final demand will spell total surrender and the demise of the Serbian people as an ethnic race. The EU needs Serbia more than Serbia needs those who destroyed their bridges on the Danube, bombed their schools, hospitals, nursing homes and churches then pretend they did this for "humanitarian reasons." Only EU and NATO morons bombed entire Serbian villages including cemeteries...now Serbs are supposed to kiss their back sides and climb in bed with such monsters?

Gen. Clark used illegal cluster bombs on Serbian women and children, now we are supposed to praise his military expertise by killing and destroying Serbia from 30,000 feet which was like shooting fish in a barrel?

Eisenhower was right... "Be ware of the industrial-military complex." Remember Camp Bondsteel is part of that military theft of Serbian property without a single Dinar going to those Serbs who once owned that land. Now we are being spoon-fed that the Albanians are "indigenous people" in Kosovo? When the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes was formed in 1918 the Albanians represented 5% of the population. Now we are being told 90 years later "Albanians represent 90%" without anyone in politics or the media telling the world that 40% of those Albanians were not born in Former Yugoslavia and are illegal aliens who cross the border from Albanian into Kosovo as easily as Mexicans cross our border each night in San Diego, California. Giving such illegals more rights then indigenous Serbs who have lived in Kosovo for a thousand years and built 1,500 churches only reveals the depth to which the West will stoop in building new nations... by force if necessary.

This is why the West remains silent that over 150 ancient Serbian churches have been razed in the past 6 years, right under the noses of 17,000 NATO troops while pretending that Serbs have no right including cultural or religious rights. May these creatures of American politics burn in hell for their real crimes against humanity!

Wm. Dorich, Los Angeles
The writer is the author of 5 books on Balkan history and music including his 1992 book, Kosovo.

Obama is a disgrace. He has lied about every aspect of his campaign, Mr. i don't take money from the lobbiest, even though he took millions from the Greek-American lobby which wants Kosova wiped off the map.

"It is not that McCain, the senator for Arizona, has anti-Serb views, rather he needs to better familiarize himself with the situation, says Sitilides, adding that in that respect, the Serb lobbies in the U.S. and lobby companies engaged by Belgrade need to start functioning properly."

You've got to be kidding me! This Stilides guy just lost all credibility. All you have to do is input "John McCain" and "KLA" into any search engine to find out that he has been on the Albanian Civic League payroll for years and made his name on the 1999 NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia!

Obama might be familiar with the Serbian stance on the issue, however I'm sure once he gets familiar with the way Washington works...he'll see who holds the corner stone in the Balkans.

Anger the Albanians and you sign off the Balkans to the Russians.

No matter who's in power in Washington, Albanians win.

DC ain't Illinois

My God, is this what Serbia is left to count on as encouragement on their cause?

johnny said:
>> If Serbia did not invade anyone what were Serbian troops and war machinery from Serbia doing in these places? Why where the military orders coming from Belgrade? Why was there military personnel from Belgrade in charge of the operations?

That's like saying "why do orders come from Washington". My dear Albanian friend, orders came from Belgrade, Serbia because that is where the capital of Jugoslavia was.

KOSOVO IS SERBIAN

It really doesn't matter who will become the next president of the US. Because of its almost unlimited natural energy reserves (gas and oil), Russia is once again going to be a world power. Whoever is going to be the next president, the US will need to invest in their relationship with Russia. Therefore, the Americans have no other option than to soften their stance towards Serbia...

"Obama understands Serbia better"

Only eight years ago, the same thing was said about G.W. Bush...

to the writer who gave himself the ape-nickname... only he himself will know the reason for that... :)

as for those alleged four wars...

as far as I see it Serbia did not start a single war...

in Slovenia, the Slovenians attacked Yugoslav borderposts...

in Croatia, or to be more precise, in Gospic croatian paramilitaries kidnapped more than 50 serb civilians, what has been found out to be the truth even by a croatian court... so much for your nonsense about Serbia starting wars...

and in Bosnia, it was a muslim-criminal who shot the bride groom and his father while they were coming out of the church...

it´s interesting that you Albanians are constantly misrepresenting facts

as for the US being your allies... *laugh* , ...you will see how good friends they are when they let you down.

"Obama understands Serbia better"

What is that Se... Se... Suburbia to begin with? Is it in France?

http://tinyurl.com/3mg3ma

That's precisely what the majority of Americans do know and do care.

The only good thing about Obama is, his objective is not to increase the tensions and he is not part of Halliburton mafia. That is good enough. We can't expect American public be mature to elect Kucinic or Blagojevic.

Neither Obama or McCain will change things. In fact, I don't see either one being positive for the U.S let alone the Balkans.

However, it's a long time until Novemeber and we'll be learning quite a bit about both men. At the moment, I see Obama as being the better of two evils for Serbs. That could come into big play in Ohio where no republican has ever won without taking that state.

Johny @20 stop distorting the facts.
"I did not see tanks bla bla bla". At the time the whole region was Yugoslavia and Serbs lived in their areas.

It was the Serbian popultion which came under attack from the Croatians and Muslims WHILE they were still part of Yugoslavia.
Seribia did NOT go in with their tanks and attack another country. The whole country was Yugoslavia.
The separatists started the mess because they wanted to break away.

Once the republics got their independence civil war was still in full swing. Serbs from Croatian parts and Bosnia were fighting for their lives and homes. Serbia did not invade anyone.
Local Serbs were in a civil war with the others.

Now, you know this very well so why do you pretend that you are so ignorant and try to paint a picture of Serbian tanks from Serbia rolling in to attack their neighbours?

Civil war is not one country attacking another.
So where do you see Serbia starting a war?

Who wanted to separate is who started the war.

Peggy; are you telling us with the innocent Serbs that couldn't possible harm anyone, were basically attacked by the simple fact that non-Serbs wanted out of that federation? The threat alone justifies Serb retaliation,right? Didn't each Republic have a constitutional right to opt out of the federation, especially after it's collapse?

This is clearly a lie there is no report of news article on the official website of Woodrow Wilson International Centre. And even if there was this untrue as clearly stated above the statement made by Obama was clear that the region has moved on and the people of Kosova have a clear and bright future.

and another point you either have Russia or USA you simply cant have them both and fortunately we the Kosova-Albanian have the Americans and we are guaranteed for the next 200 hundred years, if by then the Kosovars don't take over the region we might have a problem :)

More arrogance from the Obama campaign. Word of advice Mr. Obama, leave Serbia alone! We aren't pushovers like the white majority in America.

johny, you did not get it right regarding the Yugoslav constitution. You are right to say that republics could separate from the federation legally but and this is a big BUT only if all those republics agreed with it. This was thought to be a clever mechanism to prevent a violent breakup but unfortunately it did not work out as expected. Apart from Croatia and Slovenia unilaterally declaring their indepedence the EU also rushed to encourage them and then to recognize them in breach of the Yugoslav constitution. Law means nothing if there is no punishment for its breach so I am sure the EU, USA and other countries who wanted to go against the law then as they are doing it now have very little respect for the rule of law. If there are no consequences for their illegal actions. And I know the last Yugoslav constitution extremly well. Anyway keep peddling your vicious propaganda as much as you like but remember what I said to you. One day we are all going to answer for our deeds.

You know what will happen when the dollar keeps falling at this rate. The Asians start selling the dollar massively. America cuts itself of from the rest of the world. I don't think Americas support for an independant Kosovo will last for long. There's a world economic crisis coming. All because of Americans who spend to much money.

"That's like saying "why do orders come from Washington". My dear Albanian friend, orders came from Belgrade, Serbia because that is where the capital of Jugoslavia was.

KOSOVO IS SERBIAN
(Steve, 24 June 2008 09:04) "

So are you telling me that when all this was happening there were Croatian and Bosnian officials in Belgrade giving orders to attack Croatia and Bosnia. That there were Croatian and Bosnian Generals in Belgrade giving order to bomb and burn Croatia and Bosnia to the ground. That there were Albanian officials in Belgrade and Albanian generals in Belgrade giving orders to bomb and burn Kosova.

Tesla you said:
You are right to say that republics could separate from the federation legally but and this is a big BUT only if all those republics agreed with it."

Since you know the constitution so well, can you please point me where in the constitution it was stated that if one republic decided to split, then Serbia had the right to attack it.

Also since you mention that you know the constitution, can you please point out where it is stated that one of the republics, Serbia, had the right to change the status, (read annul autonomy), of one of the constituent part(read Kosova) of the federation. I am pretty sure that all the the members of the federation need to agree in order to change the status of another member of the federation, including the member in question. That was guaranteed by the constitution.

Where in the constitution was stated the Serbia had the right to punish these other republics. Also do you think that Serbia did not breach the constitution?

Johny, you mixed everything up. First of all, you have to make difference between JNA (Jugoslavenska Narodna Armija), Krajina Army (Serbs in Croatia), Army of Serbs from Bosna i Herzegovina and Army of Serbian state. They are all different.

As you know, JNA was not Serbian but Army of the Yugoslav Federation. All nations of SFRJ were represented in JNA. When war in Slovenia began President of Yugoslavia was Ante Markovic, Croat, and commander of Army half Croat half Serb and commander of Air Force Croat.

Republics could become independent after negotiations, if other republics agreed. In Bosnia and Herzegovina independence could come only if all three nations agreed. Muslims and Croats choose to ignore Bosnian Serbs. Extreme nationalists attacked Serbs in both Croatia and Bosnia. Serbia had a right and duty to protect human rights of the attacked Serbs.

Thats good news for serbia. however Obama did include Madelyn Albright in his team,
triggerhappy bombing Serbia
without preceding declaration of War? This way Illinoys might vote for Mc Cain after all

Yes. Earlier this week, Obama included several high-profile supporters of Clinton, such as former secretary of state Madeleine Albright and retired Gen. Wesley Clark in meetings to advise him on national security.
Also, recently he added the former deputy secretary Nicholas Burns as an adviser to the Balkans.

If it's true then Fatimir and Hashim will be very upset as Bush promised to handover kosovo to KLA. anyway what ever happens in the US elections it will have small significance to Serbia. Serbia should stay close to Russia!!

The republics may have had the right, according to the west. Autonomous provinces sure didnt. Don't forget to reply with the usual "De facto Republic" or "Special Case"... You said it all already.

Johny: the same could be said for the USA, who gave them the right to attack Iraq?? On a lie as well. Kosovo is allowed to be independent because of serval factors, 1) war on terror, having them and the Bosnain muslims on side limits the terror risk. 2) Minerals. The EU and US have the power to control this. Kosovo WILL NEVER be a truly independent state, the Albanians are puppets in the greater scheme of things. Its abit like Russian democracy, totally managed. Oh yes Kosovo just remember Iraq was supported and funded by the US once and so was the Taliban against the Soviet Union, see how things can change.

It was the Serbian popultion which came under attack from the Croatians and Muslims WHILE they were still part of Yugoslavia.

>>That is not factually true and you know it. How is it possible that all these republics and all these territories decided to one day attack the Serbs simultaneously? Do you wake up one morning and decide to beat an Albanian. I have lots of doubts that you do. If they decided to attack the Serbs, then why not just attack Serbia. Why not send tanks inside Serbia just like Serbia sent tanks in these places? Maybe, just maybe, Serbia did not agree with these republics opting out of the federation, took matters in its own hands and decided to attack, defeat them and preserve the federation, even though it had no right to do so.

Seribia did NOT go in with their tanks and attack another country. The whole country was Yugoslavia.

>> Yugoslavia was not a unitary country. It was a federation. Serbia as an equal republic in this federation sent tanks to other republics and attacked them. I don't think it would have been ok if say Croatia sent tanks in Belgrade and justify it by saying it is ok for Croatia to do so because it was part of Jugoslavia. I do not think that the constitution of Jugoslvia had a special provision that allowed Serbia to send tanks and troops to any other republic or member of the federation and attack them.


The separatists started the mess because they wanted to break away.

>> Again they had the right to do so. Under the constitution there was no provision which gave Serbia or any of the other republics or members of the federation the right to preserve the federation by unilaterally attacking the other members of the federation. Nobody gave Serbia the right to preserve the federation.

Once the republics got their independence civil war was still in full swing. Serbs from Croatian parts and Bosnia were fighting for their lives and homes. Serbia did not invade anyone.

>> If Serbia did not invade anyone what were Serbian troops and war machinery from Serbia doing in these places? Why where the military orders coming from Belgrade? Why was there military personnel from Belgrade in charge of the operations?

Local Serbs were in a civil war with the others.

>> They were because they were burning all these other republics to the ground. In Kosova it was the Serbian neighbors that burned the homes of their Albanian neighbors.

Now, you know this very well so why do you pretend that you are so ignorant and try to paint a picture of Serbian tanks from Serbia rolling in to attack their neighbours?

>> I congratulate you on your lame try at disguising an offense towards me. I don't know how to paint. Fact is Serbian tanks did roll from Serbia and attacked their neighbors. The orders to do this did come from Belgrade.


Civil war is not one country attacking another.
So where do you see Serbia starting a war?

>> Members of a union decide to break since they can do so. Serbia attacks them and sends in troops, tanks and other war machinery. That is how Serbia started these wars.

Who wanted to separate is who started the war.

>> Again there was nothing that prevented them to separate. They had the right to separate. Serbia had no right to prevent this separation. There was no provision in the constitution of Jugoslavia that gave Serbia the right to attack any member of the federation if they decided to opt out of the federation.
(Peggy, 23 June 2008 05:20)


"The republics may have had the right, according to the west. Autonomous provinces sure didnt. Don't forget to reply with the usual "De facto Republic" or "Special Case"... You said it all already.
(Alex, 23 June 2008 17:17)"


According to the Jugoslav constitution the autonomy of Kosova could be annulled only if all the members of the federation agreed, Kosova included.
Kosova's autonomy was annulled without the voting of the other members of the federation and of course without the voting and agreement of Kosova. Since one member of the Federation, that is Serbia, willfully and knowingly acted unconstitutionally and unlawfully, that gave us the right secede from the federation since the federation no longer guaranteed our rights as they were stated in the constitution.