Its inevitable things as such will occur. Maybe it was the Rakija at that particular moment. Regardless, one must still respect the rule of law these days.
@P2bK
First you need to explain to the people of Republic of Serbia and the whole world who are the Kosovars and who are the Serbs from Kosovo?Seems to me you are talking about two different nations?!
Anyway all I know, excuse my ignorance, is that Kosovo is albanians and serbians inhabitants land(and others as well).There is no such thing as Kosovars.But you already split the people of self proclaimed Kosovo state in two class of citizens...Serbs and Kosovars.This is not just YOUR opinion as an individual who might have some college diploma but opinion of all the "Kosovars".Others are probably second class citizens...gypsies and others are third class and so on and so on.
Now let me back to your lines where you said Serbian police officer should be there as well...I don't know what don't you understand here...Serbs from Kosovo don't want to live in different state to be killed and rapped like in 1999 or 2004.There is no turning back at this point.You got selfproclaimed republic but Serbs from Kosovo MUST choose whether or not they want to live in that self proclaimed state.I think they already said they won't.All 100% of the Serbs living in Kosovo.And that's it.It has nothing to do with Belgrade or directive from Belgrade nor Tadic,Samardzic or Nikolic.They DON'T WANT TO LIVE in "your" country because they were not asked when you took them into another county by force.And they were born there in Kosovo, lived there and want continue living there.They don't have where to go in Siberia since Siberia is not the land where they were born.They were born in Serbian Kosovo and that's where they want to live and will stay.
It's interesting that since Serbs are not present in KPS there are more and more incidents of this kind which is hard to believe...I mean, bare hand Serbs attacking police officers from Kosovo to kill them.With bare hands on the police with the guns?!I mean, who can believe in this.They get arrested for driving truck.They get arrested for wearing T-Shirs.Where is the end?
And it's much better to have big ears and not have big nose constantly getting bigger and bigger.
To Nick;
You must have some huge ears to be able to hear what happened during the incident without being present. There is no need to spread such rumors, and untruth. The incident is one of the worst kind no matter if the police or the civilian is at fault. If it is found that civilian's rights are violated the police officers should be detained. Just for the sake of truth Serb Kosova police officers should have been there among Kosovar collegues but they choose to leave ranks. Another example that Kosovar-Serb patricipation is more than needed.
Nehat is wrong when calling the Serbians in Kosova "second hand citizens."
Being a Kosovar myself I don't envisage a Kosovar State with second hand citizens. Maybe your rage was speaking before your thought, but still un-excuseable. Actually Serbs in Kosova Republic have more rights than myself since the constitution speciffically emphysizes their rights.
Nehat,thank you very very much for contributing this lovely theme with your "democracy" comments about second class citizens.There is no such thing as second class citizen in the democratic world.I guess you don't know that because you are living in non-democratic country.
You started too fast with your national thing.I didn't expect anything less from your kind.
Second class citizen in the democratic country ... I can't stop laughing.although I think it is sad that people sharing your opinion even exist.
So sad, Kosovo will never be democratic country with 90% of the people sharing your opinion.
B92: ITS NOT KPS ANYMORE ITS KP which is just Kosovo Police.
furthermore the Kosova Serbs should know that they are the second class citizens and they cant go around and threaten people anymore. especially after some lunatic walked into a police station and shot a Kosova Police Officer...
I heard that KPS officer told him he should get back to his "native" Siberia?!?(not Serbia) with his family and if he doesn't do it KPS officers will next time kill him and he won't have stone above his grave.So the driver gone mad at this point and reacted.Then KPS officer arrested him.
Only in Kosovo!Respecting minorities and democracy at highest levels.
We really don't have any information of what happened.
Why was the truck stopped? How was the policeman's conduct towards the driver?
Was the driver under the influence of alcohol?
There are so many reasons why a heated argument could've erupted. Things like this don't come out of nothing.
All we know is that the driver made a threat to the policeman.
We can't possibly have enough information to draw conclusions. We know that Kosovo is not a very friendly place for Serbs, so when KPS stops a Serb naturally that Serb would not feel at all comfortable and be a little threatened.
I'm sure it's not the same as a policeman in Belgrade stopping a Serb truck driver.
ben:
Main hole in your argument 'ben' is that 'new joe' is not the one who is complaining. And if 'new joe' does not care (or does not know) about the 'confusion' this may cause, then there is no onus on him to change his 'name'.
In any case, is not of any importance in this case as 'old joe' & 'new joe' are readily distinquishable by their actual comments. On the other hand, if they were both pro-serb or pro-albanian, then there might be a problem.
Mathew,
“As far the KPS officer being a member of the “government” or not, since Europe and the UN have made it plainly clear that no country is obliged to recognize Kosovo, and Serbia has not, legally this Serbian citizen he does not have to recognize nor abide by authorities of the “Kosovo Government”. Serbia does NOT recognize Kosovo’s independence hence its citizens are REQUIRED to follow Serbian law on all territories of what is legally considered Serbia by the Serbian government.”
Kosovo has been administered by UNMIK under Resolution 1244. All its institutions, starting from Presidency, Government, Prime Minister, Assembly, KPS, etc., were established under this Resolution. Therefore, this particular citizen, being him originally from Kosovo or Serbia, MUST abide to the laws of Kosovo, no matter if Serbia recognizes Kosovo as a state or not, when he travels through Kosovo.
US consist of more than 50 states. Each of them (maybe not all, I don’t really know that) have different laws on addressing a similar issue.
Now, we all know that Kosovo has declared independence and it has been recognized by more than 40 countries, and it is functioning as such.
Instead of lecturing to teh authentic Joe who is with us for many months maybe you should advice the new Joe to add something on is name so to be distinguished from the authentic one that we all know - something like New Macedonia ;)
In California, where I live, the threat must “on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made is so unequivocal unconditional immediate and specific as to convey to the person threatened a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety”. California Penal Code § 422 (2001)
However, we don’t know the actual details of the threat, so its difficult to judge, nor am I familiar with UNMIK criminal law.
I personally believe that the actual shooting of a KPS officer a few days earlier makes this KPS officer’s actions maybe more reasonable, again depending on the nature of the threat. That would certainly effect whether the KPS officer would “reasonably to be in sustained fear”.
This is ENTIRELY a different matter than wearing a Kosovo je Serbija shirt and not acknowledging the authority of KPS. I do not believe in threatening violence against any fellow human being.
However, on the surface, the case sounds weak to me, it’ll get thrown out I’m sure. Then again, morally, this idiot deserves to be taken into custody briefly if he’s really doing such stupid things. I mean he really is asking for trouble doing that sort of thing.
As far the KPS officer being a member of the “government” or not, since Europe and the UN have made it plainly clear that no country is obliged to recognize Kosovo, and Serbia has not, legally this Serbian citizen he does not have to recognize nor abide by authorities of the “Kosovo Government”. Serbia does NOT recognize Kosovo’s independence hence its citizens are REQUIRED to follow Serbian law on all territories of what is legally considered Serbia by the Serbian government.
Joe, the other “Joe” seems to be a regular here and doesn’t seem to be trying to impersonate you, he’s stated his ethnic background on more than one occasion. Maybe you should add a location to your name or have picked a more original name to start with. I admit, maybe my choice of my real first name is regrettable in that occasionally I’m confused with another’s comments. However, when that happens I tend to blame myself and not some other guy who happens to share my name. Laying “claim” to such a common name is sort of silly.
nikshala:
Believe normal process in the UK & elsewhere is arrest, laying of charges & release pending a court date for most offences - including threatening behaviour.
Joe:
Is not B92's fault as 'Joe' is a common name. Suggest you add something to your name to separate it from others as I do - as 'peter' is also a common name.
If the other 'Joe' then does the same, then you would indeed have grounds for accusing the other 'Joe' of attempting to create confusion. But until then, making such accusations simply makes you look paranoid.
Dane, Adam & others:
As long as K-albanians continue to ignore calls for negotiation & continue with their unilateral approach, these kind of incidents will only increase. Provocation will incite provocation & violence will continue to escalate.
And your dreams of an independent Kosovo will continue to evaporate.
This is the double standards Serbs have been complaining about for over a decade.
When the KLA was shooting and bombing Serbian/Loyal Albanian police, in Kosovo, that was called Liberation by the US controlled media and now a measly, verbal threat and the guy is breaking the Law-Throw him in Jail, justice has prevailed ...
ROFL only a fool can believe such hypocrisy from the US/EU.
If somebody threats sombody in Sweden(where I live) he will get arrested and he will be charged for threatning. The sentence is jail from 3 months up to 2 years. It's almost the same law in UK. It dosent matter if the person is a real threat. Nobody knows such a thing. The law says that if you threat sombody you will get charged. Thats it.
And who knows if this serb truckdriver was a real threat ?
And for politics all serbs should know the new reality in Kosovo. This shows that Kosovo is really an independent state. It was an albanian KPS who arrsted the man and no serbian MUP. The arrested serb have to obey the Kosovo lawbook even if he dont reconize the state.
Does it wrelly takes a UN-seat for you to reconize that Kosovo is a state ? That's folish because UN dosent reconize states. UN means nothing for Kosovo.
The same rules apply in the US and all democratic countries if somebody threaten a pliceman. In autocratic or dictatorial countries such cases are treated even harsher.
Yes, reporting such cases on this site as you can see only perpetuate anger and divisiveness.
Legal state - this is what Kosovo institutions and authorities are aiming. And, this must be respected and applied regardless of nationality, ethnic belonging, race, religion, political or social belonging. Exceptions and positive discrimination are dangerious for legal state.
If you threat someone in any country that person could be charged, let alone a part of the government (police is part of the gov.). I mean did serbs start an investigation when tadic got the threat letter? I mean they are not doing anything to him just a threat. Very illogical people in this site... Yes that serb will get arrested and so would Albanians. No difference, its part of a law.
Nikshala: "Kate, you being from UK should know that in UK threatening to kill ANYONE will get you detained, let alone a policeman! So i wouldn't politicize this event."
Actually, that's not correct at all. It would be assessed whether the person was a real threat, and he or she would be locked up either if they do pose a serious threat or if perhaps they were drunk and just needed to sober up.
This is heavy handed by any standards, but it is true that there would be a stronger reaction if it followed a shooting. But it's still more about sending a message rather than justice.
And Nemanja makes a good fair point:
"The KPS cannot make an arest to save their lives whenever:
1) a Serbian house is burned
2) a Serbian church is destroyed
3) a Serbian grandmother is beaten
4) a Serbian farmer is murdered
5) a Serbian woman is raped, or
6) Serbian bus passengers are blown up
. . .but when a Serb "threatens" a KPS clown. . .suddenly they turn into the FBI."
Arrested yes, charged yes, but detained? Does this one truck driver really pose such a threat that he must be held in custody? It sounds very heavy-handed and is obviously designed to send a message.
(Kate, 18 June 2008 15:24)
Kate, you being from UK should know that in UK threatening to kill ANYONE will get you detained, let alone a policeman! So i wouldn't politicize this event.
A number or albanians are arrested regularly for threatening KPS.
I don't really see the point of these daily irrelevant reports on normal crimes that happen in every country, all it does it angers both sides and stops reconcilliation.
The KPS cannot make an arest to save their lives whenever:
1) a Serbian house is burned
2) a Serbian church is destroyed
3) a Serbian grandmother is beaten
4) a Serbian farmer is murdered
5) a Serbian woman is raped, or
6) Serbian bus passengers are blown up
. . .but when a Serb "threatens" a KPS clown. . .suddenly they turn into the FBI.
B92 do you have rules to prevent an usurpator to use somebody's name? An other Joe, apparently a Serb is writing under my name to create confusion. It is like somebody else writing under Kate, ben, olf, princip.
I already protested against it but nothing happened. Are there some double standards about this?
Headline should say: Citizen arrested for threatening to kill police/KPS officer, not as it is. This headline puts a bad light to many Serbs who are abiding citizens of Kosova and harms the process of reconciliation.
Arrested yes, charged yes, but detained? Does this one truck driver really pose such a threat that he must be held in custody? It sounds very heavy-handed and is obviously designed to send a message.
The KPS cannot make an arest to save their lives whenever:
1) a Serbian house is burned
2) a Serbian church is destroyed
3) a Serbian grandmother is beaten
4) a Serbian farmer is murdered
5) a Serbian woman is raped, or
6) Serbian bus passengers are blown up
. . .but when a Serb "threatens" a KPS clown. . .suddenly they turn into the FBI.
Arrested yes, charged yes, but detained? Does this one truck driver really pose such a threat that he must be held in custody? It sounds very heavy-handed and is obviously designed to send a message.
Headline should say: Citizen arrested for threatening to kill police/KPS officer, not as it is. This headline puts a bad light to many Serbs who are abiding citizens of Kosova and harms the process of reconciliation.
Arrested yes, charged yes, but detained? Does this one truck driver really pose such a threat that he must be held in custody? It sounds very heavy-handed and is obviously designed to send a message.
(Kate, 18 June 2008 15:24)
Kate, you being from UK should know that in UK threatening to kill ANYONE will get you detained, let alone a policeman! So i wouldn't politicize this event.
A number or albanians are arrested regularly for threatening KPS.
I don't really see the point of these daily irrelevant reports on normal crimes that happen in every country, all it does it angers both sides and stops reconcilliation.
Legal state - this is what Kosovo institutions and authorities are aiming. And, this must be respected and applied regardless of nationality, ethnic belonging, race, religion, political or social belonging. Exceptions and positive discrimination are dangerious for legal state.
I heard that KPS officer told him he should get back to his "native" Siberia?!?(not Serbia) with his family and if he doesn't do it KPS officers will next time kill him and he won't have stone above his grave.So the driver gone mad at this point and reacted.Then KPS officer arrested him.
Only in Kosovo!Respecting minorities and democracy at highest levels.
B92 do you have rules to prevent an usurpator to use somebody's name? An other Joe, apparently a Serb is writing under my name to create confusion. It is like somebody else writing under Kate, ben, olf, princip.
I already protested against it but nothing happened. Are there some double standards about this?
Nikshala: "Kate, you being from UK should know that in UK threatening to kill ANYONE will get you detained, let alone a policeman! So i wouldn't politicize this event."
Actually, that's not correct at all. It would be assessed whether the person was a real threat, and he or she would be locked up either if they do pose a serious threat or if perhaps they were drunk and just needed to sober up.
This is heavy handed by any standards, but it is true that there would be a stronger reaction if it followed a shooting. But it's still more about sending a message rather than justice.
And Nemanja makes a good fair point:
"The KPS cannot make an arest to save their lives whenever:
1) a Serbian house is burned
2) a Serbian church is destroyed
3) a Serbian grandmother is beaten
4) a Serbian farmer is murdered
5) a Serbian woman is raped, or
6) Serbian bus passengers are blown up
. . .but when a Serb "threatens" a KPS clown. . .suddenly they turn into the FBI."
If you threat someone in any country that person could be charged, let alone a part of the government (police is part of the gov.). I mean did serbs start an investigation when tadic got the threat letter? I mean they are not doing anything to him just a threat. Very illogical people in this site... Yes that serb will get arrested and so would Albanians. No difference, its part of a law.
If somebody threats sombody in Sweden(where I live) he will get arrested and he will be charged for threatning. The sentence is jail from 3 months up to 2 years. It's almost the same law in UK. It dosent matter if the person is a real threat. Nobody knows such a thing. The law says that if you threat sombody you will get charged. Thats it.
And who knows if this serb truckdriver was a real threat ?
And for politics all serbs should know the new reality in Kosovo. This shows that Kosovo is really an independent state. It was an albanian KPS who arrsted the man and no serbian MUP. The arrested serb have to obey the Kosovo lawbook even if he dont reconize the state.
Does it wrelly takes a UN-seat for you to reconize that Kosovo is a state ? That's folish because UN dosent reconize states. UN means nothing for Kosovo.
The same rules apply in the US and all democratic countries if somebody threaten a pliceman. In autocratic or dictatorial countries such cases are treated even harsher.
Yes, reporting such cases on this site as you can see only perpetuate anger and divisiveness.
In California, where I live, the threat must “on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made is so unequivocal unconditional immediate and specific as to convey to the person threatened a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety”. California Penal Code § 422 (2001)
However, we don’t know the actual details of the threat, so its difficult to judge, nor am I familiar with UNMIK criminal law.
I personally believe that the actual shooting of a KPS officer a few days earlier makes this KPS officer’s actions maybe more reasonable, again depending on the nature of the threat. That would certainly effect whether the KPS officer would “reasonably to be in sustained fear”.
This is ENTIRELY a different matter than wearing a Kosovo je Serbija shirt and not acknowledging the authority of KPS. I do not believe in threatening violence against any fellow human being.
However, on the surface, the case sounds weak to me, it’ll get thrown out I’m sure. Then again, morally, this idiot deserves to be taken into custody briefly if he’s really doing such stupid things. I mean he really is asking for trouble doing that sort of thing.
As far the KPS officer being a member of the “government” or not, since Europe and the UN have made it plainly clear that no country is obliged to recognize Kosovo, and Serbia has not, legally this Serbian citizen he does not have to recognize nor abide by authorities of the “Kosovo Government”. Serbia does NOT recognize Kosovo’s independence hence its citizens are REQUIRED to follow Serbian law on all territories of what is legally considered Serbia by the Serbian government.
Joe, the other “Joe” seems to be a regular here and doesn’t seem to be trying to impersonate you, he’s stated his ethnic background on more than one occasion. Maybe you should add a location to your name or have picked a more original name to start with. I admit, maybe my choice of my real first name is regrettable in that occasionally I’m confused with another’s comments. However, when that happens I tend to blame myself and not some other guy who happens to share my name. Laying “claim” to such a common name is sort of silly.
Instead of lecturing to teh authentic Joe who is with us for many months maybe you should advice the new Joe to add something on is name so to be distinguished from the authentic one that we all know - something like New Macedonia ;)
ben:
Main hole in your argument 'ben' is that 'new joe' is not the one who is complaining. And if 'new joe' does not care (or does not know) about the 'confusion' this may cause, then there is no onus on him to change his 'name'.
In any case, is not of any importance in this case as 'old joe' & 'new joe' are readily distinquishable by their actual comments. On the other hand, if they were both pro-serb or pro-albanian, then there might be a problem.
We really don't have any information of what happened.
Why was the truck stopped? How was the policeman's conduct towards the driver?
Was the driver under the influence of alcohol?
There are so many reasons why a heated argument could've erupted. Things like this don't come out of nothing.
All we know is that the driver made a threat to the policeman.
We can't possibly have enough information to draw conclusions. We know that Kosovo is not a very friendly place for Serbs, so when KPS stops a Serb naturally that Serb would not feel at all comfortable and be a little threatened.
I'm sure it's not the same as a policeman in Belgrade stopping a Serb truck driver.
Nehat,thank you very very much for contributing this lovely theme with your "democracy" comments about second class citizens.There is no such thing as second class citizen in the democratic world.I guess you don't know that because you are living in non-democratic country.
You started too fast with your national thing.I didn't expect anything less from your kind.
Second class citizen in the democratic country ... I can't stop laughing.although I think it is sad that people sharing your opinion even exist.
So sad, Kosovo will never be democratic country with 90% of the people sharing your opinion.
This is the double standards Serbs have been complaining about for over a decade.
When the KLA was shooting and bombing Serbian/Loyal Albanian police, in Kosovo, that was called Liberation by the US controlled media and now a measly, verbal threat and the guy is breaking the Law-Throw him in Jail, justice has prevailed ...
ROFL only a fool can believe such hypocrisy from the US/EU.
nikshala:
Believe normal process in the UK & elsewhere is arrest, laying of charges & release pending a court date for most offences - including threatening behaviour.
Joe:
Is not B92's fault as 'Joe' is a common name. Suggest you add something to your name to separate it from others as I do - as 'peter' is also a common name.
If the other 'Joe' then does the same, then you would indeed have grounds for accusing the other 'Joe' of attempting to create confusion. But until then, making such accusations simply makes you look paranoid.
Dane, Adam & others:
As long as K-albanians continue to ignore calls for negotiation & continue with their unilateral approach, these kind of incidents will only increase. Provocation will incite provocation & violence will continue to escalate.
And your dreams of an independent Kosovo will continue to evaporate.
Mathew,
“As far the KPS officer being a member of the “government” or not, since Europe and the UN have made it plainly clear that no country is obliged to recognize Kosovo, and Serbia has not, legally this Serbian citizen he does not have to recognize nor abide by authorities of the “Kosovo Government”. Serbia does NOT recognize Kosovo’s independence hence its citizens are REQUIRED to follow Serbian law on all territories of what is legally considered Serbia by the Serbian government.”
Kosovo has been administered by UNMIK under Resolution 1244. All its institutions, starting from Presidency, Government, Prime Minister, Assembly, KPS, etc., were established under this Resolution. Therefore, this particular citizen, being him originally from Kosovo or Serbia, MUST abide to the laws of Kosovo, no matter if Serbia recognizes Kosovo as a state or not, when he travels through Kosovo.
US consist of more than 50 states. Each of them (maybe not all, I don’t really know that) have different laws on addressing a similar issue.
Now, we all know that Kosovo has declared independence and it has been recognized by more than 40 countries, and it is functioning as such.
B92: ITS NOT KPS ANYMORE ITS KP which is just Kosovo Police.
furthermore the Kosova Serbs should know that they are the second class citizens and they cant go around and threaten people anymore. especially after some lunatic walked into a police station and shot a Kosova Police Officer...
To Nick;
You must have some huge ears to be able to hear what happened during the incident without being present. There is no need to spread such rumors, and untruth. The incident is one of the worst kind no matter if the police or the civilian is at fault. If it is found that civilian's rights are violated the police officers should be detained. Just for the sake of truth Serb Kosova police officers should have been there among Kosovar collegues but they choose to leave ranks. Another example that Kosovar-Serb patricipation is more than needed.
@P2bK
First you need to explain to the people of Republic of Serbia and the whole world who are the Kosovars and who are the Serbs from Kosovo?Seems to me you are talking about two different nations?!
Anyway all I know, excuse my ignorance, is that Kosovo is albanians and serbians inhabitants land(and others as well).There is no such thing as Kosovars.But you already split the people of self proclaimed Kosovo state in two class of citizens...Serbs and Kosovars.This is not just YOUR opinion as an individual who might have some college diploma but opinion of all the "Kosovars".Others are probably second class citizens...gypsies and others are third class and so on and so on.
Now let me back to your lines where you said Serbian police officer should be there as well...I don't know what don't you understand here...Serbs from Kosovo don't want to live in different state to be killed and rapped like in 1999 or 2004.There is no turning back at this point.You got selfproclaimed republic but Serbs from Kosovo MUST choose whether or not they want to live in that self proclaimed state.I think they already said they won't.All 100% of the Serbs living in Kosovo.And that's it.It has nothing to do with Belgrade or directive from Belgrade nor Tadic,Samardzic or Nikolic.They DON'T WANT TO LIVE in "your" country because they were not asked when you took them into another county by force.And they were born there in Kosovo, lived there and want continue living there.They don't have where to go in Siberia since Siberia is not the land where they were born.They were born in Serbian Kosovo and that's where they want to live and will stay.
It's interesting that since Serbs are not present in KPS there are more and more incidents of this kind which is hard to believe...I mean, bare hand Serbs attacking police officers from Kosovo to kill them.With bare hands on the police with the guns?!I mean, who can believe in this.They get arrested for driving truck.They get arrested for wearing T-Shirs.Where is the end?
And it's much better to have big ears and not have big nose constantly getting bigger and bigger.
Nehat is wrong when calling the Serbians in Kosova "second hand citizens."
Being a Kosovar myself I don't envisage a Kosovar State with second hand citizens. Maybe your rage was speaking before your thought, but still un-excuseable. Actually Serbs in Kosova Republic have more rights than myself since the constitution speciffically emphysizes their rights.
Its inevitable things as such will occur. Maybe it was the Rakija at that particular moment. Regardless, one must still respect the rule of law these days.
Headline should say: Citizen arrested for threatening to kill police/KPS officer, not as it is. This headline puts a bad light to many Serbs who are abiding citizens of Kosova and harms the process of reconciliation.
The KPS cannot make an arest to save their lives whenever:
1) a Serbian house is burned
2) a Serbian church is destroyed
3) a Serbian grandmother is beaten
4) a Serbian farmer is murdered
5) a Serbian woman is raped, or
6) Serbian bus passengers are blown up
. . .but when a Serb "threatens" a KPS clown. . .suddenly they turn into the FBI.
Legal state - this is what Kosovo institutions and authorities are aiming. And, this must be respected and applied regardless of nationality, ethnic belonging, race, religion, political or social belonging. Exceptions and positive discrimination are dangerious for legal state.
If somebody threats sombody in Sweden(where I live) he will get arrested and he will be charged for threatning. The sentence is jail from 3 months up to 2 years. It's almost the same law in UK. It dosent matter if the person is a real threat. Nobody knows such a thing. The law says that if you threat sombody you will get charged. Thats it.
And who knows if this serb truckdriver was a real threat ?
And for politics all serbs should know the new reality in Kosovo. This shows that Kosovo is really an independent state. It was an albanian KPS who arrsted the man and no serbian MUP. The arrested serb have to obey the Kosovo lawbook even if he dont reconize the state.
Does it wrelly takes a UN-seat for you to reconize that Kosovo is a state ? That's folish because UN dosent reconize states. UN means nothing for Kosovo.
Nikshala: "Kate, you being from UK should know that in UK threatening to kill ANYONE will get you detained, let alone a policeman! So i wouldn't politicize this event."
Actually, that's not correct at all. It would be assessed whether the person was a real threat, and he or she would be locked up either if they do pose a serious threat or if perhaps they were drunk and just needed to sober up.
This is heavy handed by any standards, but it is true that there would be a stronger reaction if it followed a shooting. But it's still more about sending a message rather than justice.
And Nemanja makes a good fair point:
"The KPS cannot make an arest to save their lives whenever:
1) a Serbian house is burned
2) a Serbian church is destroyed
3) a Serbian grandmother is beaten
4) a Serbian farmer is murdered
5) a Serbian woman is raped, or
6) Serbian bus passengers are blown up
. . .but when a Serb "threatens" a KPS clown. . .suddenly they turn into the FBI."
This is the double standards Serbs have been complaining about for over a decade.
When the KLA was shooting and bombing Serbian/Loyal Albanian police, in Kosovo, that was called Liberation by the US controlled media and now a measly, verbal threat and the guy is breaking the Law-Throw him in Jail, justice has prevailed ...
ROFL only a fool can believe such hypocrisy from the US/EU.
nikshala:
Believe normal process in the UK & elsewhere is arrest, laying of charges & release pending a court date for most offences - including threatening behaviour.
Joe:
Is not B92's fault as 'Joe' is a common name. Suggest you add something to your name to separate it from others as I do - as 'peter' is also a common name.
If the other 'Joe' then does the same, then you would indeed have grounds for accusing the other 'Joe' of attempting to create confusion. But until then, making such accusations simply makes you look paranoid.
Dane, Adam & others:
As long as K-albanians continue to ignore calls for negotiation & continue with their unilateral approach, these kind of incidents will only increase. Provocation will incite provocation & violence will continue to escalate.
And your dreams of an independent Kosovo will continue to evaporate.
Mathew,
“As far the KPS officer being a member of the “government” or not, since Europe and the UN have made it plainly clear that no country is obliged to recognize Kosovo, and Serbia has not, legally this Serbian citizen he does not have to recognize nor abide by authorities of the “Kosovo Government”. Serbia does NOT recognize Kosovo’s independence hence its citizens are REQUIRED to follow Serbian law on all territories of what is legally considered Serbia by the Serbian government.”
Kosovo has been administered by UNMIK under Resolution 1244. All its institutions, starting from Presidency, Government, Prime Minister, Assembly, KPS, etc., were established under this Resolution. Therefore, this particular citizen, being him originally from Kosovo or Serbia, MUST abide to the laws of Kosovo, no matter if Serbia recognizes Kosovo as a state or not, when he travels through Kosovo.
US consist of more than 50 states. Each of them (maybe not all, I don’t really know that) have different laws on addressing a similar issue.
Now, we all know that Kosovo has declared independence and it has been recognized by more than 40 countries, and it is functioning as such.
B92: ITS NOT KPS ANYMORE ITS KP which is just Kosovo Police.
furthermore the Kosova Serbs should know that they are the second class citizens and they cant go around and threaten people anymore. especially after some lunatic walked into a police station and shot a Kosova Police Officer...
Arrested yes, charged yes, but detained? Does this one truck driver really pose such a threat that he must be held in custody? It sounds very heavy-handed and is obviously designed to send a message.
(Kate, 18 June 2008 15:24)
Kate, you being from UK should know that in UK threatening to kill ANYONE will get you detained, let alone a policeman! So i wouldn't politicize this event.
A number or albanians are arrested regularly for threatening KPS.
I don't really see the point of these daily irrelevant reports on normal crimes that happen in every country, all it does it angers both sides and stops reconcilliation.
B92 do you have rules to prevent an usurpator to use somebody's name? An other Joe, apparently a Serb is writing under my name to create confusion. It is like somebody else writing under Kate, ben, olf, princip.
I already protested against it but nothing happened. Are there some double standards about this?
If you threat someone in any country that person could be charged, let alone a part of the government (police is part of the gov.). I mean did serbs start an investigation when tadic got the threat letter? I mean they are not doing anything to him just a threat. Very illogical people in this site... Yes that serb will get arrested and so would Albanians. No difference, its part of a law.
The same rules apply in the US and all democratic countries if somebody threaten a pliceman. In autocratic or dictatorial countries such cases are treated even harsher.
Yes, reporting such cases on this site as you can see only perpetuate anger and divisiveness.
In California, where I live, the threat must “on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made is so unequivocal unconditional immediate and specific as to convey to the person threatened a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety”. California Penal Code § 422 (2001)
However, we don’t know the actual details of the threat, so its difficult to judge, nor am I familiar with UNMIK criminal law.
I personally believe that the actual shooting of a KPS officer a few days earlier makes this KPS officer’s actions maybe more reasonable, again depending on the nature of the threat. That would certainly effect whether the KPS officer would “reasonably to be in sustained fear”.
This is ENTIRELY a different matter than wearing a Kosovo je Serbija shirt and not acknowledging the authority of KPS. I do not believe in threatening violence against any fellow human being.
However, on the surface, the case sounds weak to me, it’ll get thrown out I’m sure. Then again, morally, this idiot deserves to be taken into custody briefly if he’s really doing such stupid things. I mean he really is asking for trouble doing that sort of thing.
As far the KPS officer being a member of the “government” or not, since Europe and the UN have made it plainly clear that no country is obliged to recognize Kosovo, and Serbia has not, legally this Serbian citizen he does not have to recognize nor abide by authorities of the “Kosovo Government”. Serbia does NOT recognize Kosovo’s independence hence its citizens are REQUIRED to follow Serbian law on all territories of what is legally considered Serbia by the Serbian government.
Joe, the other “Joe” seems to be a regular here and doesn’t seem to be trying to impersonate you, he’s stated his ethnic background on more than one occasion. Maybe you should add a location to your name or have picked a more original name to start with. I admit, maybe my choice of my real first name is regrettable in that occasionally I’m confused with another’s comments. However, when that happens I tend to blame myself and not some other guy who happens to share my name. Laying “claim” to such a common name is sort of silly.
Instead of lecturing to teh authentic Joe who is with us for many months maybe you should advice the new Joe to add something on is name so to be distinguished from the authentic one that we all know - something like New Macedonia ;)
ben:
Main hole in your argument 'ben' is that 'new joe' is not the one who is complaining. And if 'new joe' does not care (or does not know) about the 'confusion' this may cause, then there is no onus on him to change his 'name'.
In any case, is not of any importance in this case as 'old joe' & 'new joe' are readily distinquishable by their actual comments. On the other hand, if they were both pro-serb or pro-albanian, then there might be a problem.
We really don't have any information of what happened.
Why was the truck stopped? How was the policeman's conduct towards the driver?
Was the driver under the influence of alcohol?
There are so many reasons why a heated argument could've erupted. Things like this don't come out of nothing.
All we know is that the driver made a threat to the policeman.
We can't possibly have enough information to draw conclusions. We know that Kosovo is not a very friendly place for Serbs, so when KPS stops a Serb naturally that Serb would not feel at all comfortable and be a little threatened.
I'm sure it's not the same as a policeman in Belgrade stopping a Serb truck driver.
I heard that KPS officer told him he should get back to his "native" Siberia?!?(not Serbia) with his family and if he doesn't do it KPS officers will next time kill him and he won't have stone above his grave.So the driver gone mad at this point and reacted.Then KPS officer arrested him.
Only in Kosovo!Respecting minorities and democracy at highest levels.
To Nick;
You must have some huge ears to be able to hear what happened during the incident without being present. There is no need to spread such rumors, and untruth. The incident is one of the worst kind no matter if the police or the civilian is at fault. If it is found that civilian's rights are violated the police officers should be detained. Just for the sake of truth Serb Kosova police officers should have been there among Kosovar collegues but they choose to leave ranks. Another example that Kosovar-Serb patricipation is more than needed.
Arrested yes, charged yes, but detained? Does this one truck driver really pose such a threat that he must be held in custody? It sounds very heavy-handed and is obviously designed to send a message.
Nehat is wrong when calling the Serbians in Kosova "second hand citizens."
Being a Kosovar myself I don't envisage a Kosovar State with second hand citizens. Maybe your rage was speaking before your thought, but still un-excuseable. Actually Serbs in Kosova Republic have more rights than myself since the constitution speciffically emphysizes their rights.
Nehat,thank you very very much for contributing this lovely theme with your "democracy" comments about second class citizens.There is no such thing as second class citizen in the democratic world.I guess you don't know that because you are living in non-democratic country.
You started too fast with your national thing.I didn't expect anything less from your kind.
Second class citizen in the democratic country ... I can't stop laughing.although I think it is sad that people sharing your opinion even exist.
So sad, Kosovo will never be democratic country with 90% of the people sharing your opinion.
@P2bK
First you need to explain to the people of Republic of Serbia and the whole world who are the Kosovars and who are the Serbs from Kosovo?Seems to me you are talking about two different nations?!
Anyway all I know, excuse my ignorance, is that Kosovo is albanians and serbians inhabitants land(and others as well).There is no such thing as Kosovars.But you already split the people of self proclaimed Kosovo state in two class of citizens...Serbs and Kosovars.This is not just YOUR opinion as an individual who might have some college diploma but opinion of all the "Kosovars".Others are probably second class citizens...gypsies and others are third class and so on and so on.
Now let me back to your lines where you said Serbian police officer should be there as well...I don't know what don't you understand here...Serbs from Kosovo don't want to live in different state to be killed and rapped like in 1999 or 2004.There is no turning back at this point.You got selfproclaimed republic but Serbs from Kosovo MUST choose whether or not they want to live in that self proclaimed state.I think they already said they won't.All 100% of the Serbs living in Kosovo.And that's it.It has nothing to do with Belgrade or directive from Belgrade nor Tadic,Samardzic or Nikolic.They DON'T WANT TO LIVE in "your" country because they were not asked when you took them into another county by force.And they were born there in Kosovo, lived there and want continue living there.They don't have where to go in Siberia since Siberia is not the land where they were born.They were born in Serbian Kosovo and that's where they want to live and will stay.
It's interesting that since Serbs are not present in KPS there are more and more incidents of this kind which is hard to believe...I mean, bare hand Serbs attacking police officers from Kosovo to kill them.With bare hands on the police with the guns?!I mean, who can believe in this.They get arrested for driving truck.They get arrested for wearing T-Shirs.Where is the end?
And it's much better to have big ears and not have big nose constantly getting bigger and bigger.
Its inevitable things as such will occur. Maybe it was the Rakija at that particular moment. Regardless, one must still respect the rule of law these days.
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