"Vatican won't recognize Kosovo soon"

ben - Probably time to remind you that it was Nato which attacked Serbia and not the KLA (and the agreement to end the war preserved sovereignty).

It is the UN which runs the province, still under Serbian sovereignty. It is the US trying to call the shots and dictate what happens to Kosovo (which ultimately will be a pawn between Russia, the US and maybe China).

So exactly which position of power do you personally have to dismiss Russia, Serbia and the rest of the world who do not agree with independence?

There are mighty big words of power being spouted.

As you would say - ;)

ben,

If the Serbs were dealing with just the Albanians and not the Americans and Germans. . .we wouldn't be reading about a narco-mafia quasi-state in the heart of Europe.

I can remember very well how some Albanian who thought to be very smart, was "predicting" that the Vatican will "recognize" the puppet-entity soon, and from then on, the "wave" is gonna be rolling...

just another burst bubble, it seems.

let´s just see what future brings.

Zorane...

you should know by now,...

that our albanian friends do not have any arguments.

only accusations and threats.


so, don´t expect any sly answer from them.

by the way, that´s also why Serbia will prevail.

truth, moral and justice are on Serbia´s side.

Ben - As per usual , your arguments and logic are flawed.

Kosovo's so called security services will NEVER be allowed to deploy in the north as the EU and US know that this would start a war with the Serbs and the provacateurs ni this case would be the ALbanians, risking the intervention firstly of Serbia, then possibly the US and other countries. The US and Eu aren't stupid enough to start another war in the region. This is why "the green light in restoring law and order will be issued" will never happen.

Besides, you can send 25,000 in and you still wouldn't be able to subjucate the Serbs.

I had to laugh when i read this "The issue here is the flexibility of the west and the tolerance of the K-Gov.t against those destabilizing forces that currently operate in Kosova."

The Serbs are destabilizing Kosovo?? You and other Albanians with the same view are hypocrits. Why is it that Albanians who don't want t live with Serbs in Serbia have a right to commit terrorist acts against Serbian police, army and civilians, for decades, not just when milosevic was in power, but all of a sudden when Serbs don't want to live with Albanians, Albanians have a right to use force to tell them what to do?

Answer this question for me Ben. Why don't you want Kosovo to be partitioned? You wouldn't have the problem Serbs anymore in the province. Why do you think you have the right to land which the Serbs have always lived on? i.e. Mitrovica.

NOT ONE ALBANIAN has been able to answer this question. NOT ONE. And i've asked this question many times before.

You keep saying that the "relaity on the ground" dictates that Kosovo is independent. So why don't you use that pragmatism/ common sense to realise that life would be easier to let the Serbs in northern Kosovo stay a part of Serbia?

So what's the answer Ben, and don't say "because that is our border", because using that argument, all of Kosovo still belongs to Serbia yet you fight that idea.

So provide me with a logical, reasonable answer.

This question goes out to all Albanians.

Jovan (and Ben and all the Albanians) - i'll provide you with the real reason why we are all in this situation now as briefly as i can.

The West wanted to break up Yugoslavia and used the different ethnic groups to fight against each other. This is why they provided backing to the Albanians NOW, and not in the 1950's, 1960's, 70's or 80's when their demands were the same as they are now. It was a war of nationalities, not religions. Milosevic was provoked into war (and yes it was a provocation by a CIA trained KLA) and the West conveniently used this excuse to try to declare a separation of Kosovo from Serbia.

One of the reasons the West wanted to annex kosovo was it's energy supplies. Kosovo also has a lot of cobalt and other minerals, but the West's priority is securing access to energy reserves - hence the invasion of Iraq and the US intentions of staying there permanently.

This ties things up neatly. This is the REAL reason why the Albanian posters demand that the north stay a part of Kosovo and not remain with Serbia and that is why Albanian posters are hypocrits, demanding a partition of Serbia, but not wanting a partition of Kosovo even though they know the Serbs don't want to live in an Albanian "state".

So, as an economist would say, it was a coincidence of wants - Albanian nationalism and US energy/security interests.

Any objective observer would concur. Don't get me wrong, if i were Albanian i'd probably do what the albanians are doing now, but you have to understand that whatever happens with the albanian parts of Kosovo, the serb parts will never be under albanian control. If that is attempted, there'll be another large war in the region.

And i am a realist. If Kosovo and Serbia want to get into the EU quickly, Kosovo must recognise that it will never be recognised by Serbia if it demands all of Kosovo, but i also think that Serbs should wake up and realise that the albanians will never live under serbian rule, especially now that the US promised them independence (no matter how empty that promise was).
The compromise solution would be to partition Kosovo but neither side seems willing to do so, hence the stalemate.

As long as either side has unrealistic assumptions/aspirations, kosovo will end up like Abkhazia and northern Cyprus in a legal limbo.

Things MIGHT change when there is a new US administration at the end of this year. we'll ave to wait and see, but ni the meantime, both pristina and Belgrade could move things along much more quickly with some relapolitik. do i think it will happen. NO. The Balkans never change. all the people's in the region are idiots blinded by the past. So the cycle of hatred,war,revenge continues. here's hoping for a change.

I am sorry, Zorane...

but there is nothing to be partitioned, and I am VERY realistic person.

the compromise is: they rule themselves, but without statehood.

so, that nonsense about being ruled by Belgrade is just that: nonsense, but no argument.

please, may I ask you to stop that rubbish about partition? it would only be a reward for illegal albanian activities, from shooting innocent civillians of both, serbian and albanian ethnicity, throwing bombs into cafe´s and attacking old people in their houses. that´s called terrorism, my friend.

so, if you wanna be a reasonable person, don´t reward these crimes with the partition of serbian territory.

otherwise, I would have doubts in your real identity, since no intelligent Serb would ever fall for that nonsense.

sincerely yours,
J.

Arben wrote:""our albanian friends do not have any arguments. "eaither that or we are sick and tire arguing with you anymore,done deal,we have nothing to do with you anymore, why would I waist my time ,or is it worth it . "

wow.

after writing more than 30 (!) lines without mentioning just one single argument... I really ask myself why does he feel the neccessity to write so much, if he is so sure about it?

that´s the problem with you guys! you talk a lot, boast around like heavy-weight-champion of the 70´s ...but at the end, what remains, is.... NOTHING!

behar,

You need a lesson in history, my friend.

The First Balkan War between 1912-1913 saw Serbia along with its allies Montenegro, Greece and Bulgaria LIBERATE Albania and Macedonia from Ottoman rule.

There was no Russian participation.

Albania is an independent country today because its neighbors helped to defeat the Ottomans!

So. . .you're welcome! It was our pleasure!

What is this kosova thing?

Not only is Kosovo historic Serbian land but the western powers had to stop Serbia, Greece and Montenegro from carving up Albania! They feared Serbia's growing influence in the region and didn't want it to grow stronger with additional territories.

Once again. . .saved by some bigger power.

This is becoming quite the little habit. . .empowerment by the Ottomans, Nazis, Communists, NATO. . .you guys really need to learn to stand on your own two feet!

Al,

Do you people pay any attention to what is written?

It's not 2 million Albanians or Croatians or whatever that give the Serbs "trouble" as you point out. . .its the American and the German corrupt governments that do so.

landi wrote:

"See Zoran, under the new constitution of Kosovo all the serbs living inKosovo not only the ones living in the north have extended wrights, more than any other minority in Europe."

If this comment wasn't so insulting, it would actually be amusing.

The Serbs in Kosovo have a right to:

1) live in ghettos surrounded by hostile Albanians
2) constant harrassment by the corrupt "authorities"
3) not speak their native language for fear of violence
4) receive armed foreign protection for simple trips for food
5) have their ancient churches and monasteries destroyed

What a privilege this 'kosova' is for minorities.

land also wrote"

"With the diference on the birth rate that the two nationalities have in 50 years Serbia as you know it wouldn't exist anymor because albanians would be a majority."

Is this a source of pride for you? Making babies? Creating poverty? Inciting regional instability for your neighbors?

How old are you. . .12?

Grow up.

My Lord!

Even the Russian Church is against us- speaking about the pressures whatch this article ;)

I was allways sure that we are dealing with Russia not Serbia- that's why it was hard if it was only for Serbia... long time ago- that's for sure.

The only solution would be for the western imperialists to concede that the Serbs must live in one Serbian state: Serbia plus Bosnian Serb Republic plus North Kosovo plus the Serbian monasteries in South Kosovo plus Montenegro. There will be no peace in the Balkans until that occurs. No peace.

Some of these comments are bordering on the sublime!

denis wrote:

"It was the same scenario as the one during the WWII where Croats, Bosnians, and K-Albanians allied with Germany to fight Serbs. I believe that Serbia has always posted a greater threat to it's neigbors than other rulers."

So being allied with Nazis that sought global domination, enslavement of entire peoples deemed as unequals and the extermination of the Jewish race is fine by you?

WWII was an unprovoked act of aggression committed by the blood-thirsty Nazis and their "allies" against many poor, defenseless countries such as Serbia as well as the Britain, France and the U.S.

Helping Hitler conduct a genocide should not be a source of pride!




The Nazis didn't just fight the Serbs, they were enemies to every country that stood for freedom.

zoran,
"The Serbs are destabilizing Kosovo?? You and other Albanians with the same view are hypocrits"
zoran ,yes you are right Albanians are hypocrits if they think that serbia is destabilizing only Kosova, serbia is destabilizing the entire region ,balkan and they always did .
Kate ,
please stop with that Kosova is still under Serbian sovereignty.i am sure that you know the truth ,Kosova is not south osetia, or transestria ,Kosova is recognized by 43 states and 18 more to come in short time .

Nemanja, Connecticut,
You are having a good life i guess in ct.it si easy for you to talk but if you were in Kosova and saw the war then you would't be talking like this ,instead you would be sayong the truth wich is : we lost the war in Sllovenia (one guy 22 y.o was killed by tank), then we lost the war in Croatia , then we partially lost the war in bosnia ,and finally we lost the war in Kosova,my question to you is what makes you think that you would win the war in kosova when you lost every single war
zoran,
"our albanian friends do not have any arguments. "eaither that or we are sick and tire arguing with you anymore,done deal,we have nothing to do with you anymore, why would I waist my time ,or is it worth it .
I would thank B92 if my comments will make it throuth (if not I don't actually care )cuz . I am not going to comment anymore on politics or wahtever has to do with serbia .
t

ben, 17 June

" I was allways sure that we are dealing with Russia not Serbia... "

*** Ben , the truth is that here Russians and Serbians act as a united force.

"Russia has influence north of Ibar."

*** Another truth is that our influence is worldwide. And the stake you made 10 years ago proved to be wrong. You missed your chance to dictate terms for the Serbs and if you want to live like human beings but not as an Indian Reservation inhabitanta you have to stop misleading yourselves and start to bargain with the Serbs. The situation in the world is changing in our favor faster than you can even imagine so very soon it may be Serbs who will put terms for normalisation. So you can miss the starting train and remain in your colonial ghetto.

O my god!
I have the impression that all pro-Albian people that post here just want to feed to prejudice the all SErbs are bad nationalists and all Kosovo-Albanians are patriots or Freedom-fighter even they have the same opinion. Btw wht is the diiference betweeen Kosovo-Albanians and Albanians?

Landi - Besides asking " Why do albanians want to rule the northern pat of Mitrovica populated by serbs"

I also added "So what's the answer Ben, and don't say "because that is our border", because using that argument, all of Kosovo still belongs to Serbia yet you fight that idea."

Again, like every other Albanian commentator, you've provided the stock answer - it's our border. Well, like I said, we see Kosovo as within our border, so how do the two sides square the circle?

Also, it's disingenuous to use the constitution of 1974 as your reasons for recognising Kosovo's border for two reasons. 1) The constitution doesn't allow Kosovo to break away so why do you think you can follow one law and not another 2) talking of laws, UN law supercedes all others and under UN law, Kosovo belongs to Serbia, so why don't you respect that law?

(Kate, 17 June 2008 14:43)

Russia has influence north of Ibar.

This influence will be limited and vanish above the border with an effective control of them- by teh Kosova's security forces- hopefully the EU&US will allow it to be equipped and in sufficient number (2,500 is a joke) to accomplish their constitutional duties.

The issue here is the flexibility of the west and the tolerance of the K-Gov.t against those destabilizing forces that currently operate in Kosova.

I guess after that a sufficiently critical number of countries that have recognized Kosova is secured, the green light in restoring law and order will be issued

This is what your cynical soviet politicians would call the real-politic.

Thank you Vatican State!

Its abou time that Vatican stood up and made a statement. Pity their co-religionist states could do the same but then the US doesn't have such a strong grip on the Vatican. Seems to make sense to me.

Ben

I don't understand this K-Alb claim of resistance to the Ottomans. I mean you're practically a Muslim population. WHat resistance then is it that you speak of? You converted to Islam to enrich yourselves and be a part of the ruling class and in the process and in cooperation with the Turks persecute Serbs. Please explain or is it a case of turning on the hand that fed you. This seems to be a recurring theme with the Albanians. WHen will you sart knocking off NATO troops?

How can they recognize muslim terrorist state...?

Nemanja, Connecticut: "If the Serbs were dealing with just the Albanians and not the Americans and Germans. . .we wouldn't be reading about a narco-mafia quasi-state in the heart of Europe.
Nemanja, if Albanians on 1912, were dealing just with the Serbs and not also with the Russians, Kosova could be since that year the part of Albania. And it will be.

Denis @27. What can I say? You said it all. You have single handedly just exposed Albanians the way that would make every Serb proud of you.

Buddying up to Hitler was the most vile thing anyone could've done and you boast about it. Sure you say it was to get rid of those evil Serbs who threatened all their neightbours.

Enlighen us with more of your wisdom. Exactly how did Serbia threaten their neighbours? The Serbs themselves were under the threat of genocide from Hitler and his possy which icludes you and your fellow Bosnian Muslims and Croats.

Everybody else fought alongside with Serbia so how exactly were they a threat?

(Nemanja, Connecticut, 18 June 2008 16:33)

Nemanja your resistence to Ottomans is not even teh HALF of the resistance that Albanians did.

Milan, I think you are wrong. Albanians turned to islam, so they can ally with turks to offset Serbian threat in particular and the sllavic one in general. It was the same scenario as the one during the WWII where Croats, Bosnians, and K-Albanians allied with Germany to fight Serbs. I believe that Serbia has always posted a greater threat to it's neigbors than other rulers.

Albanians consume alcohol at the same level as Serbs do, and live a much more secular life than Serbs, by all measures, and all the bigotry aside, islam among albanians has no influence, as well as other religions.

Many albanians would do anything to distinguish themselves from Serbs, and islam was one of them.

Denis

That doesn't make sense. What threat did the Serbs pose to the Albanians between the 14 to 20th century? Thanks but You think too much of us but we were no that strong then. By that principle the slavs in Sandjak and Bosnia decided to convert to ISlam so they as Serbs (and some Croats) wanted to differentiate from being Serbs??? Why are there still Albanians that are Christian? I suppose they didn't want to differentiate that much from the Serbs. Cmon Your argument is very poor.

>> Albania is an independent country today because its neighbors helped to defeat the Ottomans!
Albania is an independent country today because its neighbors were not allowed to get 100% of Albanian lands, just half. You go tlucky, is 2 million Albos give you this much trouble, imagine 7 million.

Hi Zoran.
In your comment earlier you asked Ben a question " Why do albanians want to rule the northern pat of Mitrovica populated by serbs"
I hope Ben won't mind tha I as a fellow albanian answer that question. It is because that was Kosovos border acording to the 1974 constitution of Yugoslavia. If albanians actually tried to rule only and all parts of land populated by albanians Serbia would have to give up more land in order to hold northern mitrovica. and what about more than half of the serbs that live in Kosovo and don't have geografical ties with Serbia. What do you plan to do about them. See Zoran, under the new constitution of Kosovo all the serbs living inKosovo not only the ones living in the north have extended wrights, more than any other minority in Europe. I would also like to add something that is politically incorrect but true. Kosovo indipendence is the best thing to have ever happened to Serbia. With the diference on the birth rate that the two nationalities have in 50 years Serbia as you know it wouldn't exist anymor because albanians would be a majority. Kosovo independence is like cutting off a limb to rescue the rest of the body. I need someone to call me a liar.
Peace to all, Serbs and albanians alike.

Jason I must say that it is because of the serbs like you that Serbia lost three wars in a decade and is where it is today. And now something that I wrote earlier and that b92 decided not to publish it.
Kosovo independence is the best thing that could have happened to Serbia. With the difference betwen the two nationalities in the birth rate in 50 years Serbia as we know it would't exist anymore. So letting Kosovo go is like cutting off a limb to save the rest of the body. I am waiting for someone to call me a liar.

Nemanja,
you called me a "12 years old" but you failed to call me a liar. I was just stating a fact and no mater if it's a source of pride of shame it remains there. And mature as you are you also failed to tell us what would you do with the wrights of the the other serbs living in kosovo is northern mitrovica stayed with Serbia.

(Kate, 17 June 2008 14:43)

Russia has influence north of Ibar.

This influence will be limited and vanish above the border with an effective control of them- by teh Kosova's security forces- hopefully the EU&US will allow it to be equipped and in sufficient number (2,500 is a joke) to accomplish their constitutional duties.

The issue here is the flexibility of the west and the tolerance of the K-Gov.t against those destabilizing forces that currently operate in Kosova.

I guess after that a sufficiently critical number of countries that have recognized Kosova is secured, the green light in restoring law and order will be issued

This is what your cynical soviet politicians would call the real-politic.

My Lord!

Even the Russian Church is against us- speaking about the pressures whatch this article ;)

I was allways sure that we are dealing with Russia not Serbia- that's why it was hard if it was only for Serbia... long time ago- that's for sure.

(Nemanja, Connecticut, 18 June 2008 16:33)

Nemanja your resistence to Ottomans is not even teh HALF of the resistance that Albanians did.

Milan, I think you are wrong. Albanians turned to islam, so they can ally with turks to offset Serbian threat in particular and the sllavic one in general. It was the same scenario as the one during the WWII where Croats, Bosnians, and K-Albanians allied with Germany to fight Serbs. I believe that Serbia has always posted a greater threat to it's neigbors than other rulers.

Albanians consume alcohol at the same level as Serbs do, and live a much more secular life than Serbs, by all measures, and all the bigotry aside, islam among albanians has no influence, as well as other religions.

Many albanians would do anything to distinguish themselves from Serbs, and islam was one of them.

ben,

If the Serbs were dealing with just the Albanians and not the Americans and Germans. . .we wouldn't be reading about a narco-mafia quasi-state in the heart of Europe.

zoran,
"The Serbs are destabilizing Kosovo?? You and other Albanians with the same view are hypocrits"
zoran ,yes you are right Albanians are hypocrits if they think that serbia is destabilizing only Kosova, serbia is destabilizing the entire region ,balkan and they always did .
Kate ,
please stop with that Kosova is still under Serbian sovereignty.i am sure that you know the truth ,Kosova is not south osetia, or transestria ,Kosova is recognized by 43 states and 18 more to come in short time .

Nemanja, Connecticut,
You are having a good life i guess in ct.it si easy for you to talk but if you were in Kosova and saw the war then you would't be talking like this ,instead you would be sayong the truth wich is : we lost the war in Sllovenia (one guy 22 y.o was killed by tank), then we lost the war in Croatia , then we partially lost the war in bosnia ,and finally we lost the war in Kosova,my question to you is what makes you think that you would win the war in kosova when you lost every single war
zoran,
"our albanian friends do not have any arguments. "eaither that or we are sick and tire arguing with you anymore,done deal,we have nothing to do with you anymore, why would I waist my time ,or is it worth it .
I would thank B92 if my comments will make it throuth (if not I don't actually care )cuz . I am not going to comment anymore on politics or wahtever has to do with serbia .
t

Nemanja, Connecticut: "If the Serbs were dealing with just the Albanians and not the Americans and Germans. . .we wouldn't be reading about a narco-mafia quasi-state in the heart of Europe.
Nemanja, if Albanians on 1912, were dealing just with the Serbs and not also with the Russians, Kosova could be since that year the part of Albania. And it will be.

>> Albania is an independent country today because its neighbors helped to defeat the Ottomans!
Albania is an independent country today because its neighbors were not allowed to get 100% of Albanian lands, just half. You go tlucky, is 2 million Albos give you this much trouble, imagine 7 million.

Hi Zoran.
In your comment earlier you asked Ben a question " Why do albanians want to rule the northern pat of Mitrovica populated by serbs"
I hope Ben won't mind tha I as a fellow albanian answer that question. It is because that was Kosovos border acording to the 1974 constitution of Yugoslavia. If albanians actually tried to rule only and all parts of land populated by albanians Serbia would have to give up more land in order to hold northern mitrovica. and what about more than half of the serbs that live in Kosovo and don't have geografical ties with Serbia. What do you plan to do about them. See Zoran, under the new constitution of Kosovo all the serbs living inKosovo not only the ones living in the north have extended wrights, more than any other minority in Europe. I would also like to add something that is politically incorrect but true. Kosovo indipendence is the best thing to have ever happened to Serbia. With the diference on the birth rate that the two nationalities have in 50 years Serbia as you know it wouldn't exist anymor because albanians would be a majority. Kosovo independence is like cutting off a limb to rescue the rest of the body. I need someone to call me a liar.
Peace to all, Serbs and albanians alike.

Jason I must say that it is because of the serbs like you that Serbia lost three wars in a decade and is where it is today. And now something that I wrote earlier and that b92 decided not to publish it.
Kosovo independence is the best thing that could have happened to Serbia. With the difference betwen the two nationalities in the birth rate in 50 years Serbia as we know it would't exist anymore. So letting Kosovo go is like cutting off a limb to save the rest of the body. I am waiting for someone to call me a liar.

I can remember very well how some Albanian who thought to be very smart, was "predicting" that the Vatican will "recognize" the puppet-entity soon, and from then on, the "wave" is gonna be rolling...

just another burst bubble, it seems.

let´s just see what future brings.

Ben - As per usual , your arguments and logic are flawed.

Kosovo's so called security services will NEVER be allowed to deploy in the north as the EU and US know that this would start a war with the Serbs and the provacateurs ni this case would be the ALbanians, risking the intervention firstly of Serbia, then possibly the US and other countries. The US and Eu aren't stupid enough to start another war in the region. This is why "the green light in restoring law and order will be issued" will never happen.

Besides, you can send 25,000 in and you still wouldn't be able to subjucate the Serbs.

I had to laugh when i read this "The issue here is the flexibility of the west and the tolerance of the K-Gov.t against those destabilizing forces that currently operate in Kosova."

The Serbs are destabilizing Kosovo?? You and other Albanians with the same view are hypocrits. Why is it that Albanians who don't want t live with Serbs in Serbia have a right to commit terrorist acts against Serbian police, army and civilians, for decades, not just when milosevic was in power, but all of a sudden when Serbs don't want to live with Albanians, Albanians have a right to use force to tell them what to do?

Answer this question for me Ben. Why don't you want Kosovo to be partitioned? You wouldn't have the problem Serbs anymore in the province. Why do you think you have the right to land which the Serbs have always lived on? i.e. Mitrovica.

NOT ONE ALBANIAN has been able to answer this question. NOT ONE. And i've asked this question many times before.

You keep saying that the "relaity on the ground" dictates that Kosovo is independent. So why don't you use that pragmatism/ common sense to realise that life would be easier to let the Serbs in northern Kosovo stay a part of Serbia?

So what's the answer Ben, and don't say "because that is our border", because using that argument, all of Kosovo still belongs to Serbia yet you fight that idea.

So provide me with a logical, reasonable answer.

This question goes out to all Albanians.

Jovan (and Ben and all the Albanians) - i'll provide you with the real reason why we are all in this situation now as briefly as i can.

The West wanted to break up Yugoslavia and used the different ethnic groups to fight against each other. This is why they provided backing to the Albanians NOW, and not in the 1950's, 1960's, 70's or 80's when their demands were the same as they are now. It was a war of nationalities, not religions. Milosevic was provoked into war (and yes it was a provocation by a CIA trained KLA) and the West conveniently used this excuse to try to declare a separation of Kosovo from Serbia.

One of the reasons the West wanted to annex kosovo was it's energy supplies. Kosovo also has a lot of cobalt and other minerals, but the West's priority is securing access to energy reserves - hence the invasion of Iraq and the US intentions of staying there permanently.

This ties things up neatly. This is the REAL reason why the Albanian posters demand that the north stay a part of Kosovo and not remain with Serbia and that is why Albanian posters are hypocrits, demanding a partition of Serbia, but not wanting a partition of Kosovo even though they know the Serbs don't want to live in an Albanian "state".

So, as an economist would say, it was a coincidence of wants - Albanian nationalism and US energy/security interests.

Any objective observer would concur. Don't get me wrong, if i were Albanian i'd probably do what the albanians are doing now, but you have to understand that whatever happens with the albanian parts of Kosovo, the serb parts will never be under albanian control. If that is attempted, there'll be another large war in the region.

And i am a realist. If Kosovo and Serbia want to get into the EU quickly, Kosovo must recognise that it will never be recognised by Serbia if it demands all of Kosovo, but i also think that Serbs should wake up and realise that the albanians will never live under serbian rule, especially now that the US promised them independence (no matter how empty that promise was).
The compromise solution would be to partition Kosovo but neither side seems willing to do so, hence the stalemate.

As long as either side has unrealistic assumptions/aspirations, kosovo will end up like Abkhazia and northern Cyprus in a legal limbo.

Things MIGHT change when there is a new US administration at the end of this year. we'll ave to wait and see, but ni the meantime, both pristina and Belgrade could move things along much more quickly with some relapolitik. do i think it will happen. NO. The Balkans never change. all the people's in the region are idiots blinded by the past. So the cycle of hatred,war,revenge continues. here's hoping for a change.

I am sorry, Zorane...

but there is nothing to be partitioned, and I am VERY realistic person.

the compromise is: they rule themselves, but without statehood.

so, that nonsense about being ruled by Belgrade is just that: nonsense, but no argument.

please, may I ask you to stop that rubbish about partition? it would only be a reward for illegal albanian activities, from shooting innocent civillians of both, serbian and albanian ethnicity, throwing bombs into cafe´s and attacking old people in their houses. that´s called terrorism, my friend.

so, if you wanna be a reasonable person, don´t reward these crimes with the partition of serbian territory.

otherwise, I would have doubts in your real identity, since no intelligent Serb would ever fall for that nonsense.

sincerely yours,
J.

Arben wrote:""our albanian friends do not have any arguments. "eaither that or we are sick and tire arguing with you anymore,done deal,we have nothing to do with you anymore, why would I waist my time ,or is it worth it . "

wow.

after writing more than 30 (!) lines without mentioning just one single argument... I really ask myself why does he feel the neccessity to write so much, if he is so sure about it?

that´s the problem with you guys! you talk a lot, boast around like heavy-weight-champion of the 70´s ...but at the end, what remains, is.... NOTHING!

landi wrote:

"See Zoran, under the new constitution of Kosovo all the serbs living inKosovo not only the ones living in the north have extended wrights, more than any other minority in Europe."

If this comment wasn't so insulting, it would actually be amusing.

The Serbs in Kosovo have a right to:

1) live in ghettos surrounded by hostile Albanians
2) constant harrassment by the corrupt "authorities"
3) not speak their native language for fear of violence
4) receive armed foreign protection for simple trips for food
5) have their ancient churches and monasteries destroyed

What a privilege this 'kosova' is for minorities.

land also wrote"

"With the diference on the birth rate that the two nationalities have in 50 years Serbia as you know it wouldn't exist anymor because albanians would be a majority."

Is this a source of pride for you? Making babies? Creating poverty? Inciting regional instability for your neighbors?

How old are you. . .12?

Grow up.

Nemanja,
you called me a "12 years old" but you failed to call me a liar. I was just stating a fact and no mater if it's a source of pride of shame it remains there. And mature as you are you also failed to tell us what would you do with the wrights of the the other serbs living in kosovo is northern mitrovica stayed with Serbia.

Its abou time that Vatican stood up and made a statement. Pity their co-religionist states could do the same but then the US doesn't have such a strong grip on the Vatican. Seems to make sense to me.

Ben

I don't understand this K-Alb claim of resistance to the Ottomans. I mean you're practically a Muslim population. WHat resistance then is it that you speak of? You converted to Islam to enrich yourselves and be a part of the ruling class and in the process and in cooperation with the Turks persecute Serbs. Please explain or is it a case of turning on the hand that fed you. This seems to be a recurring theme with the Albanians. WHen will you sart knocking off NATO troops?

How can they recognize muslim terrorist state...?

Some of these comments are bordering on the sublime!

denis wrote:

"It was the same scenario as the one during the WWII where Croats, Bosnians, and K-Albanians allied with Germany to fight Serbs. I believe that Serbia has always posted a greater threat to it's neigbors than other rulers."

So being allied with Nazis that sought global domination, enslavement of entire peoples deemed as unequals and the extermination of the Jewish race is fine by you?

WWII was an unprovoked act of aggression committed by the blood-thirsty Nazis and their "allies" against many poor, defenseless countries such as Serbia as well as the Britain, France and the U.S.

Helping Hitler conduct a genocide should not be a source of pride!




The Nazis didn't just fight the Serbs, they were enemies to every country that stood for freedom.

Denis @27. What can I say? You said it all. You have single handedly just exposed Albanians the way that would make every Serb proud of you.

Buddying up to Hitler was the most vile thing anyone could've done and you boast about it. Sure you say it was to get rid of those evil Serbs who threatened all their neightbours.

Enlighen us with more of your wisdom. Exactly how did Serbia threaten their neighbours? The Serbs themselves were under the threat of genocide from Hitler and his possy which icludes you and your fellow Bosnian Muslims and Croats.

Everybody else fought alongside with Serbia so how exactly were they a threat?

ben - Probably time to remind you that it was Nato which attacked Serbia and not the KLA (and the agreement to end the war preserved sovereignty).

It is the UN which runs the province, still under Serbian sovereignty. It is the US trying to call the shots and dictate what happens to Kosovo (which ultimately will be a pawn between Russia, the US and maybe China).

So exactly which position of power do you personally have to dismiss Russia, Serbia and the rest of the world who do not agree with independence?

There are mighty big words of power being spouted.

As you would say - ;)

Zorane...

you should know by now,...

that our albanian friends do not have any arguments.

only accusations and threats.


so, don´t expect any sly answer from them.

by the way, that´s also why Serbia will prevail.

truth, moral and justice are on Serbia´s side.

The only solution would be for the western imperialists to concede that the Serbs must live in one Serbian state: Serbia plus Bosnian Serb Republic plus North Kosovo plus the Serbian monasteries in South Kosovo plus Montenegro. There will be no peace in the Balkans until that occurs. No peace.

ben, 17 June

" I was allways sure that we are dealing with Russia not Serbia... "

*** Ben , the truth is that here Russians and Serbians act as a united force.

"Russia has influence north of Ibar."

*** Another truth is that our influence is worldwide. And the stake you made 10 years ago proved to be wrong. You missed your chance to dictate terms for the Serbs and if you want to live like human beings but not as an Indian Reservation inhabitanta you have to stop misleading yourselves and start to bargain with the Serbs. The situation in the world is changing in our favor faster than you can even imagine so very soon it may be Serbs who will put terms for normalisation. So you can miss the starting train and remain in your colonial ghetto.

O my god!
I have the impression that all pro-Albian people that post here just want to feed to prejudice the all SErbs are bad nationalists and all Kosovo-Albanians are patriots or Freedom-fighter even they have the same opinion. Btw wht is the diiference betweeen Kosovo-Albanians and Albanians?

behar,

You need a lesson in history, my friend.

The First Balkan War between 1912-1913 saw Serbia along with its allies Montenegro, Greece and Bulgaria LIBERATE Albania and Macedonia from Ottoman rule.

There was no Russian participation.

Albania is an independent country today because its neighbors helped to defeat the Ottomans!

So. . .you're welcome! It was our pleasure!

What is this kosova thing?

Not only is Kosovo historic Serbian land but the western powers had to stop Serbia, Greece and Montenegro from carving up Albania! They feared Serbia's growing influence in the region and didn't want it to grow stronger with additional territories.

Once again. . .saved by some bigger power.

This is becoming quite the little habit. . .empowerment by the Ottomans, Nazis, Communists, NATO. . .you guys really need to learn to stand on your own two feet!

Al,

Do you people pay any attention to what is written?

It's not 2 million Albanians or Croatians or whatever that give the Serbs "trouble" as you point out. . .its the American and the German corrupt governments that do so.

Landi - Besides asking " Why do albanians want to rule the northern pat of Mitrovica populated by serbs"

I also added "So what's the answer Ben, and don't say "because that is our border", because using that argument, all of Kosovo still belongs to Serbia yet you fight that idea."

Again, like every other Albanian commentator, you've provided the stock answer - it's our border. Well, like I said, we see Kosovo as within our border, so how do the two sides square the circle?

Also, it's disingenuous to use the constitution of 1974 as your reasons for recognising Kosovo's border for two reasons. 1) The constitution doesn't allow Kosovo to break away so why do you think you can follow one law and not another 2) talking of laws, UN law supercedes all others and under UN law, Kosovo belongs to Serbia, so why don't you respect that law?

Thank you Vatican State!

Denis

That doesn't make sense. What threat did the Serbs pose to the Albanians between the 14 to 20th century? Thanks but You think too much of us but we were no that strong then. By that principle the slavs in Sandjak and Bosnia decided to convert to ISlam so they as Serbs (and some Croats) wanted to differentiate from being Serbs??? Why are there still Albanians that are Christian? I suppose they didn't want to differentiate that much from the Serbs. Cmon Your argument is very poor.