Greece, Macedonia to continue name talks

Milososki continues the same nationalistic propaganda that the Skopjan Metodija Koloski,president of the fyromian diaspora, has been pursuing for at least the last 17 years.Hence, we have new demands for recognition their language and identity as derived from the ancient Greek Macedonians.
The link to the history of Greek Macedonia is the cornerstone to the nationalistic fyromian propaganda hence the purging of any Slavic elements of the fyromian identity.Their racist quest for pure "macedonian" identity will eventually help their irredintist claims against Greece.
One has to visit the website of the scientific institute in Sofia,Bulgaria and see that present fyrom is described as Bulgarian in origin,customs,language and history.Fyromians cannot claim being descendants of tzar Samuel and at the same time claim history of four thousand years as their own.
The Greeks have finally come to their senses and they know what are the real motives behind Gruevski & Co and they won't back down-even if that means the destruction of fyrom.

Mr. Leonidas is totaly wrong,Macedonia is never was Bulgarian or Greek.The Bulgarians came to this peninsula much later than Macedonians.Secondly, Macedonians are not Greek by any imagination.Both Greece and Bulgaria are totaly different people.It is not fair to make comparisons of that nature. People who claim they know the history must be unbiased in order to make any assumptions on history.Macedonians are on its own as per the studies done,and the language is different than that or bulgaria.The Macedonian ethnicity is and was on its own,lets not make comments that these commentatours make just to satisfy their own needs.Just take a look at the Bucharest agreement of 1913.The Paris,Berlin agreements. Does anyone bother investigating those agreement? I say none on the Greek or Bulgarian side .I hope same day an inteligent person will do just that.

Leonidas

I have said this before, I will say this again here.

Macedonians are simply the people that were living there before, except they were Slavicized by invading Slavs in the 7th century, why can't this stupid argument finally end? Macedonians are not Slavs, just Slavicized Macedonians, why does that make such a difference for the Greeks?

I am a pure Slav, in no way do I look like a Macedonian, the reason for that is we are only related by language and some elements of our cultures, because Poland and Ukraine are the birthplace of the Slavs (don't listen to what the Albanians tell you that it is Russia/Asia, they know about as much about the Slavs as they do about Quantum Physics), while Macedonia is the birthplace of the Macedonians, only the Slavs migrated Southward and settled/conquered certain Balkan regions and assimilated into the local population, this does not make them Slavs like the original Slavs from Poland and the Ukraine. Put me next to a Macedonian and you will see the difference immediately, put a Macedonian next to a Greek, they look almost the same.

The point of what I am saying? Macedonians are still practically the same people as those 4000 years ago, they just speak another language now. That's all!

@Peter

"Put me next to a Macedonian and you will see the difference immediately, put a Macedonian next to a Greek, they look almost the same"
So Peter, according to your words, Makedonians are Greeks that were conquered.
Adding to that, Makedonian lands were never that north as Fyrom is today (that's a

What is there to negotiate??
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Greece is always opened to keep the negotiation process alive. But what there is really to negotiate again and again? Why so many visits from Mathew Nimitz?

The Greek prime minister is repeating again and again: "Greece did her compromise. Greece agreed that chosen the name of FYROM will contain the term "macedonia" (something that is was not agreeing in the last 17 years), but we need a compromise from the other side as well". Clear Geographical term, in the composed name, so the two "macedonias" can be distinguished!

There is nothing to negotiate anymore. Agree in a composed name like "North Macedonia" or "Upper Macedonia" and everything is finished! Is that so difficult for your far-nationalists of VMRO to do?? There is a negotiation for your name in the last 17 years - it's time to agree in a name finally!!!

I don't think that such a name would "jeopardize" their national identity as the far-right politicians of FYROM often mention. They say this because they don't want ANY solution!

Nobody takes seriously this VMRO goverment anymore. All the foreign western powers (even the USA) have understood that we have to do with a nationalistic goverment that can bring only instability in the region (the latest elections, and the organised terrorizing by Thaci and DPA to albanians, with the help of the "macedonian" goverment and police proved that to all the westerners...).

So let's hope that the nationalists of VMRO will finally accept a composed name like North or Upper Macedonia, and everything will be finished. But Greece doesn't do an inch behind this! North Macedonia or Upper Macedonia or New Macedonia. Take it or leave it!

It's your problem, not Greece's. No more stupid negotiations with the "democrats" of VMRO - no more useless blah blah...

You like one of those names? Very well!

You don't like one of those names?? Very well again! Get one VETO after the other - stay out of ALL intenrational organizations (like NATO or the EU) - and keep "crying", about the future of your country! Greece has no problem with that at all!

Nikita my friend, Greeks are much darker than the Macedonians.When you compair a Greek with a Macedonian you can see our chicks are different,not just the skin.The protoslavs were no Greek,the second wave of slavs mixed with the protoslavs, not with the Greeks.Both, protoslavs and second slavs came from northern Europe, the Greeks came from Afro-Asia.Please, when you compair people make sure your comments are correct.The protoslavs in Pakistan speak a lot of words as we the Macedonian speak today.There is not even one word that matches Greek.Furtheremore,the old Greek is not spoken today in Greece as the majotity of Greeks dont undestand,but ours does match with the protoslav language.

To Peter:

"Protoslavs" as a meaning does not exist in anthropology and history, Is a word, that is lately "discovered" by your propaganda think tanks ONLY, in order to stand on your unhistorical and totally false "science-fiction" claims!

There is nothhing for you to talk about history or anything else! There is nothing to talk about where you come from. You are just a slav - coming to the balkan region at the 7th century, and you have NO DIFFERENCE with the Serbs or the Bulgarians as an ethnicity. You are all SLAVS!

That's why you talk a slav language! And of course your language has some G R E E K words, like all slav languages.

Don't mix history with you! You have absolutely nothing to do with history! You are a history "rapist" that is trying to "create" an idenity for his own that he doesn't have.

Ancient macedonians where the most glorius of the greek tribes that constitutes that Greek nation today. Ancient macedonians were speaking Greek. Ancient macedonians were fighting into the depths of Asia, to achieve the biggest goal according to them - that is to promote the Hellenic culture worldwide.

And of course when ancient macedonias, the worthy leaders of the Greek nation existed - YOU DID NOT EXIST YET.

This is known, all over the world, and you cannot change it, no matter how many lies you say about who you are to the whole world. EVERYBODY around you, the Bulgarians, the Serbs, the Greeks, even your citizens ALBANIANS know that you have nothing to do with ancient macedonia and you are just SLAVS! And you expect the whole world to believe in your "science-fiction" tale, that consitutes to a RAPE of world history!

You have absolutely NOTHING TO DO with ancient macedonia!

As posted in another thread, I already answered Peter, but for some reason B92 didnt post my answers.
Cant bother answering again :)

So pray tell, dear Peter, why did Alexander the Great spread Hellenism and not Macedonism around the world during his conquests? Every single ancient text says he spread Hellenism. Why did he sleep with a copy of the Illiad and a dagger under his pillow? Why was he taught by a Greek? Why did he have a Greek name? Why did his father have a Greek name? even his bloody horse had a Greek name!

Milososki continues the same nationalistic propaganda that the Skopjan Metodija Koloski,president of the fyromian diaspora, has been pursuing for at least the last 17 years.Hence, we have new demands for recognition their language and identity as derived from the ancient Greek Macedonians.
The link to the history of Greek Macedonia is the cornerstone to the nationalistic fyromian propaganda hence the purging of any Slavic elements of the fyromian identity.Their racist quest for pure "macedonian" identity will eventually help their irredintist claims against Greece.
One has to visit the website of the scientific institute in Sofia,Bulgaria and see that present fyrom is described as Bulgarian in origin,customs,language and history.Fyromians cannot claim being descendants of tzar Samuel and at the same time claim history of four thousand years as their own.
The Greeks have finally come to their senses and they know what are the real motives behind Gruevski & Co and they won't back down-even if that means the destruction of fyrom.

@Peter

"Put me next to a Macedonian and you will see the difference immediately, put a Macedonian next to a Greek, they look almost the same"
So Peter, according to your words, Makedonians are Greeks that were conquered.
Adding to that, Makedonian lands were never that north as Fyrom is today (that's a

Mr. Leonidas is totaly wrong,Macedonia is never was Bulgarian or Greek.The Bulgarians came to this peninsula much later than Macedonians.Secondly, Macedonians are not Greek by any imagination.Both Greece and Bulgaria are totaly different people.It is not fair to make comparisons of that nature. People who claim they know the history must be unbiased in order to make any assumptions on history.Macedonians are on its own as per the studies done,and the language is different than that or bulgaria.The Macedonian ethnicity is and was on its own,lets not make comments that these commentatours make just to satisfy their own needs.Just take a look at the Bucharest agreement of 1913.The Paris,Berlin agreements. Does anyone bother investigating those agreement? I say none on the Greek or Bulgarian side .I hope same day an inteligent person will do just that.

Leonidas

I have said this before, I will say this again here.

Macedonians are simply the people that were living there before, except they were Slavicized by invading Slavs in the 7th century, why can't this stupid argument finally end? Macedonians are not Slavs, just Slavicized Macedonians, why does that make such a difference for the Greeks?

I am a pure Slav, in no way do I look like a Macedonian, the reason for that is we are only related by language and some elements of our cultures, because Poland and Ukraine are the birthplace of the Slavs (don't listen to what the Albanians tell you that it is Russia/Asia, they know about as much about the Slavs as they do about Quantum Physics), while Macedonia is the birthplace of the Macedonians, only the Slavs migrated Southward and settled/conquered certain Balkan regions and assimilated into the local population, this does not make them Slavs like the original Slavs from Poland and the Ukraine. Put me next to a Macedonian and you will see the difference immediately, put a Macedonian next to a Greek, they look almost the same.

The point of what I am saying? Macedonians are still practically the same people as those 4000 years ago, they just speak another language now. That's all!

What is there to negotiate??
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Greece is always opened to keep the negotiation process alive. But what there is really to negotiate again and again? Why so many visits from Mathew Nimitz?

The Greek prime minister is repeating again and again: "Greece did her compromise. Greece agreed that chosen the name of FYROM will contain the term "macedonia" (something that is was not agreeing in the last 17 years), but we need a compromise from the other side as well". Clear Geographical term, in the composed name, so the two "macedonias" can be distinguished!

There is nothing to negotiate anymore. Agree in a composed name like "North Macedonia" or "Upper Macedonia" and everything is finished! Is that so difficult for your far-nationalists of VMRO to do?? There is a negotiation for your name in the last 17 years - it's time to agree in a name finally!!!

I don't think that such a name would "jeopardize" their national identity as the far-right politicians of FYROM often mention. They say this because they don't want ANY solution!

Nobody takes seriously this VMRO goverment anymore. All the foreign western powers (even the USA) have understood that we have to do with a nationalistic goverment that can bring only instability in the region (the latest elections, and the organised terrorizing by Thaci and DPA to albanians, with the help of the "macedonian" goverment and police proved that to all the westerners...).

So let's hope that the nationalists of VMRO will finally accept a composed name like North or Upper Macedonia, and everything will be finished. But Greece doesn't do an inch behind this! North Macedonia or Upper Macedonia or New Macedonia. Take it or leave it!

It's your problem, not Greece's. No more stupid negotiations with the "democrats" of VMRO - no more useless blah blah...

You like one of those names? Very well!

You don't like one of those names?? Very well again! Get one VETO after the other - stay out of ALL intenrational organizations (like NATO or the EU) - and keep "crying", about the future of your country! Greece has no problem with that at all!

Nikita my friend, Greeks are much darker than the Macedonians.When you compair a Greek with a Macedonian you can see our chicks are different,not just the skin.The protoslavs were no Greek,the second wave of slavs mixed with the protoslavs, not with the Greeks.Both, protoslavs and second slavs came from northern Europe, the Greeks came from Afro-Asia.Please, when you compair people make sure your comments are correct.The protoslavs in Pakistan speak a lot of words as we the Macedonian speak today.There is not even one word that matches Greek.Furtheremore,the old Greek is not spoken today in Greece as the majotity of Greeks dont undestand,but ours does match with the protoslav language.

To Peter:

"Protoslavs" as a meaning does not exist in anthropology and history, Is a word, that is lately "discovered" by your propaganda think tanks ONLY, in order to stand on your unhistorical and totally false "science-fiction" claims!

There is nothhing for you to talk about history or anything else! There is nothing to talk about where you come from. You are just a slav - coming to the balkan region at the 7th century, and you have NO DIFFERENCE with the Serbs or the Bulgarians as an ethnicity. You are all SLAVS!

That's why you talk a slav language! And of course your language has some G R E E K words, like all slav languages.

Don't mix history with you! You have absolutely nothing to do with history! You are a history "rapist" that is trying to "create" an idenity for his own that he doesn't have.

Ancient macedonians where the most glorius of the greek tribes that constitutes that Greek nation today. Ancient macedonians were speaking Greek. Ancient macedonians were fighting into the depths of Asia, to achieve the biggest goal according to them - that is to promote the Hellenic culture worldwide.

And of course when ancient macedonias, the worthy leaders of the Greek nation existed - YOU DID NOT EXIST YET.

This is known, all over the world, and you cannot change it, no matter how many lies you say about who you are to the whole world. EVERYBODY around you, the Bulgarians, the Serbs, the Greeks, even your citizens ALBANIANS know that you have nothing to do with ancient macedonia and you are just SLAVS! And you expect the whole world to believe in your "science-fiction" tale, that consitutes to a RAPE of world history!

You have absolutely NOTHING TO DO with ancient macedonia!

As posted in another thread, I already answered Peter, but for some reason B92 didnt post my answers.
Cant bother answering again :)

So pray tell, dear Peter, why did Alexander the Great spread Hellenism and not Macedonism around the world during his conquests? Every single ancient text says he spread Hellenism. Why did he sleep with a copy of the Illiad and a dagger under his pillow? Why was he taught by a Greek? Why did he have a Greek name? Why did his father have a Greek name? even his bloody horse had a Greek name!