Russia, Cyprus push for fresh Kosovo talks

Dear all,

"Russia & Cyprus pushing/agreed that talks between Belgrade and Priština over Kosovo should continue"

LOL, it is amasing me...:):)

I think more attention should be given to this type of comment.

"Washington & Prishtina urging Russia and Chechnya to settle the issue by the end of this year.

or

France & Kosovo are pushing hard on Cyprus issue and sent a strong warning to Greek Cyprus government to agree on Western offer on Cyprus, otherwise sanctions are inevitable.


However, as far as Kosovo issue is concerned the Country has it status settled...and read my lips: KOSOVO IS INDEPENDENT...

Any more talks would just be a waste of time. The Albanians are convinced that they will have a country called Kosova as the Americans have convinced them of that.

What is left to do is make it quite clear to the Albanians and their mentors the Americans that Kosovo is Serbian territory and all they can get is autonomy as the international law states.

Serbia has no intention of allowing anyone to take away any part of their country so what what is the point in discussing the status?

Status will never be agreed on by both so it is time to implement the law. Just like in a court of law. The plaintiffs will not come to an agreement so a judge who is obliged to uphold the law is needed to state clearly what is within the law and rule on that.

UN must make it clear that Kosovo is Serbian territory and only then can negotiations take place about autonomy.

KOSOVO IS INDEPENDENT...

Because nothing depends on the people to inhabit it ! It's a deadlock reservation with no future. It's a center of stolen cars and narco traffic , criminal , poverty and Pristina as taxists with no passengers. No economy and no friendly nations ! Is it worth singing all the time God Bless America ?

A message to all the albanian inhabitants of Kosovo:

You should know that no-matter if the whole world reckognises your "independence", if your neighbouring countries do not reckognise your existance, you have no future as a "country" in the region.

So far, ONLY Albania has reckognised you from the Balkan region, and some of the unimportant american "puppets" like Slovenia and Croatia, that nobody really cares what they think or do...

But what about the big countries of the region or your neighbouring countries??

Serbia consider you as her own "Stolen" homeland. FYROM refuses to recognize you. Romania refuses to recognize you. Greece doesn't even wants to hear about your independence, and consider Kosovo as serb land.

So how you think you will survive, if you don't exist for ALL the countries around you??? Simply there is no future...

I am Greek, but I know (as ALL THE BALKAN CITIZNES DO) that Kosovo was totally illegally taken from Serbia by force.

You will NEVER be recognized by the United Nations, as an independent country. You will NEVER be a part of any intenrational organization. You will NEVER be a member of the World Trade Organization, so goods can be imported and exported from and through your "country", from the neighbouring countries... (that is more crucial for your survival I think).

So, don't think that because USA and some other countries recognized you (ONLY IN BILATERAL RELATIONS), you will just form an independent and sovereign country.

Kosovo was taken illegally from Serbia, and all the balkan citiznes know that.

Kosovo belongs to Serbia, and it will always be. And the strong countries of the region... together with Russia... will work on that perspective. The game is not over albanians. The game just starts... wait to see the result.

UN must make it clear that Kosovo is Serbian territory and only then can negotiations take place about autonomy.
(Peggy, 9 June 2008 15:01)

Dear Peggy,

Are you trying to tell us that UN with one voice they will tell Kosovo that is part of Serbian territory? The chance are same as me having contacts with UFO's right at this moment.

PRN,
Well put,

PRN & Ahmet Isufi - Are you two guys employed as comedians in Kosovo?

"However, as far as Kosovo issue is concerned the Country has it status settled...and read my lips: KOSOVO IS INDEPENDENT..." It's funny that an independent country can't even get something as simple as it's own dialling code and can't do anything aithout the permission of UNMIK. Oh, I forgot, you're a comedian and the latest joke is that Kosovo is independent. We laugh about it all the time at the UN with other UN member states. Even your buddy "Legal" is laughing at the joke.

"Are you trying to tell us that UN with one voice they will tell Kosovo that is part of Serbian territory? The chance are same as me having contacts with UFO's right at this moment. " Same could be said about Kosovo ever getting a seat at the UN.

Keep dreaming, it ain't NEVER gonna happen.

How about a big NO and try leave us alone, thank you!

Negotiations are the only way to resolve this problem but certainly not with Priština. It would be pointless for Belgrade to talk to Priština when the occupiers are pulling their strings.

It is for Serbia, Russia (UN) and Cyprus (EU) to keep independence blocked at every level and to force them back to the negotiating table.

Independence is dead and if not already obvious, it will be shortly. The Albanians love the Americans and will just have to obey their masters whatever they decide.

This is about a face saving excercise for the US/EU and as for the Albanians, well, they will remain isolated within their pretend "independent Kosova".

Ment, 9 June

In Russian slang "ment" means a "cop" so your mentality is appropriate. When you write "Honestly, having Russia and Cyprus of all countries, preach negotiations and the obeying of the rule of law, is like having two clowns telling you how to be serious." To understand how wrong you are you will have to learn to score upto 152 but not upto 2 as it is now.

"Cyprus also proved just how good ... " They suffered the same things as the Serbs so they stand so firm.

"there's one thing most Western opinion will agree upon ..." Who did it tell you that we value what the West thinks ? Along the 90-s they deceived us so many times that we cannot trust them any longer. They follow their own goals we those of our own. Nothing personal , just business. Yes we have criminals but they don't rule the country like in the Pristina ghetto.

Frankly I personally see no sence for the Serbs to live next to you. So some day there will be real separation but not under current terms. Russia has equalized the forces so you'd better get ready to negotiate the Serbs.

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Joe, 9 June


"There is a saying in the US "put up or..." you know what I mean"

Because you are impotent to find a way out of the US sponsored crisis I'd like to return you your saying. You know what I mean.

Shalom !

I think it is good that a counter pressure be created - we cannot have a world where the US is the sole dictator of policy.

This is a point of contention - Kosovo as a state does not have a guaranteed future. Economically and politically there is lots of fall-out.

Personally, I think that the countries that pushed for the independence were part of the problem - they fed the Albanian urge for independence as part of their plan to punish Milosevic.

What was justified as a 'humantitarian intervention' was more than that - it was part of a determined policy against Serbia.

I also find it strange and politically incompetent that the US and the EU sought to undermine the democratic government that replaced Milosevic.

One can only laugh at reading such an article!
Both of these Countries, Russia and Cyprus have enormous issues and problems in handling their own problems at home and yet they appear to be in a position to advise others to discuss and settle issues through dialogue.

Dear Russia and Cyprus, please understand that a lesson has been learnt here, and dont waste anytime on resolving your home grown problems, once you lead by example then and only then will anyone take your comments seriously.

I am actually still laughing..........

@Mrs.Peggy
I would like to remember you that over 80% of Eu countries have recognized Kosovo and in particoluar all the big 4 so is not a problem of Us and the Kosovars and Serbia it is also a problem between Serbia and EU...

We have a joint approach to the situation regarding Kosovo," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said after a meeting with his Cypriot counterpart Marcos Kyprianou.
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Yes, they have a joint approach. It's a joint-orthodox approach, and as far as 'joints' go, this one can take you pretty HIGH

ORTHODOX.RU

Don't take this personally, but to hear a Russian give lectures on organized crime and corruption is just plain laughable.

If there's one thing most Western opinion will agree upon, is that the concept of the "rule of law" in Russia is about as real as, in Ahmet's words, conversing with UFO-s right now.

Cyprus also proved just how good at negotiating and honorable a country it is, when the Greek half stabbed the Turkish half in the back only a couple of years ago.

Honestly, having Russia and Cyprus of all countries, preach negotiations and the obeying of the rule of law, is like having two clowns telling you how to be serious.

Russia and Cyprus are the very last countries to advise for "further negotions". Absolutely a waste of time! Russia blindly Serbia's ally and Cyprus a towncountry with no identity.

Cyprus pushes for fresh Kosovo talks?! Wow, Cyprus could've offered to mediate those talks as well. After all, everyone knows that Cyprus has a 3-decade old reputation for solving disputes with constructive talks. By the way, what part of Cyprus are we talking about?

I just love it when people that have no idea about a region try to give lectures.
Or, were you talking about Russia (centre of stolen cars and narco-traffic, criminal, poverty and Moscow taxis with no passengers).
If that is the case I have to agree with you.
Or maybe I am wrong. Maybe you worked as a taxi driver in Prishtina therefore you know that?

Bob

You have to understand that the Serbian people did not get rid of Milosevic because of the atrocities committed under his watch, but rather because of the fact that Serbia was suffering politically and economically. In other words, the replacement of Milosevic was self-serving and Kosovo Albanians gained nothing but difficulties from the successive Serb governments.

To draw a parallel...the Palestinians democratically elected Hamas because it promised good governance to the Palestinians alone, but that did not make Hamas any less of a terrorist organization in the eyes of Israel and most of the Western world.

As this site has made it plenty obvious, many Serbs are still unapologetic about Serbia's role in the carnage of the 90-s. Not to say, that the rest of the parties, are innocent... far from it..but as they say, fix your house first before complaining about the neighbours.

As far as negotiations are concerned, the only hope Serbia might have...and that's a big MIGHT, would be to offer the alternative of a confederation agreement of sorts with Kosovo....in other words an agreement between equals. I don't see that happening, so I fully expect many of the Serbs here to keep on wasting their breath with the whole "Kosovo je Srbija" thing.

ORTHODOX.RU

I'm not sure how you drew the parallel between Serbia and Cyprus.

Let me remind you... the conflict in Cyprus started because the military junta of Greece in cooperation with Greek cypriot nationalists tried to overthrow the Cyprus government run by a Greek Cypriot so that Greece could annex Cyprus. In doing so of course, Greece violated an agreememnt with Britain and Turkey only a few years before.

I'm fully aware that 150+ countries have not recognized Kosovo..YET. Russia and Cyprus however, are the only hypocritical loudmouths that still actively try to promote themselves as "protectors" of international law. The rest pretty much keep quiet knowing full well their own closets are full of skeletons they don't wish to reveal.

That's what I pointed out to you. "Cops" most of all, tend to be very good at spotting ;-).

By the way, the whole "Yes we have criminals but they don't rule the country like in the Pristina ghetto." did make for a good laugh.

I just hope the K-Albanians believe their own hype! The more they fail to see what's coming next, the better it is for International Law.


KOSOVO IS SERBIA!

It seems that many Albanians are missing the point here. Russia has a veto in the UN and Cyprus has a veto in the EU.

That is enough to block independence on two very important levels and both strongly support Serbia.

Just to make it absolutely clear, independence is blocked my dear Albanian friends.

orthodox.ru,

Instad of your negative criticism can you and your country be more constructive and come up with positive recomendations or help? There is a saying in the US "put up or..." you know what I mean.

They should have been talking about helping Serbia by sending money or the effects if America withdraws 180mn EUR that it donates via USAID every year to Serbia.

Ment

I was at the demos that got rid of Milosevic when he tried to fiddle the vote, and I assure you that the students and other young people there were as decently democratic as anyone anywhere in the world. To reduce that result to being just 'self serving' is wrong of you.

I do not agree that Serbia is what you say it is. Yes there are many who are as you describe and their violence is heard on this site. They do no good for Serbia.

However, what is the point of people like myself supporting a democratic Serbia if the EU and the US going to cynically undermine it by illegally taking Serbian land? They should have insisted on a negotiated solution.

I do not believe that the people of Serbia are any worse than the people of Croatia, of Slovenia, of Bosnia, of the EU, of the US, or of Kosovo.

My experience of Kosovo is of decent people (who happen to be Serbs) whose lives were made unbearable by the attitude and actions of their Albanian neighbours - before Milosevic ever came to power. There is no moral high ground for the Albanians in Kosovo. They do not deserve their independence. They are guilty of sustained coercion and ethnic cleansing, and should not have a reward for that.

The answer should not be a new country to reward or punish wrong doing. It should be a negotiation of all the parties involved, without threats and violence but with expectation that the interests of all sides will be taken seriously and treated with respect.

Kosovo is a weird invention that will not sustain for very long. There is no real point in its existence: it has no coherent ethnic basis (that is what Albania provides) and it is not going to be a multi-ethnic society without a negotiated agreement.

The Serbian claim will not go away - even if it does have an oddity on its land for a while.

It is good that countries do insist that negotiation should continue.

Albanians, laugh all you want and mock Russia, China, India and Cyprus or anyone else who stands by Serbia, but I have one important question for you.

How do you expect to get around the Security Council?
Without their recognition you have nothing. Who cares what the US says if they cannot get around the Security Council.

Russia and China are ready to veto for ever if necessary. Sooner or later you will have to drop this independence illusion and start negotiating about how to be better Serbian citizens.

PRN Ahmet and Co,

Please do explain to the rest of us why you cannot travel to USA with Kosovo documents?
Better yet, since I am not familiar with American system as I am with British, explain to me why ANY form of ''Kosova'' ID is invalid to enter a country which recognized you as a state? Where are the embassies or the liaison offices of ALL countries that reocognized you?

And this is from countries which were first to recognize you - what do you expect from countries who have forecefully recognized you or not recognized you at all?

If you are INDEPENDENT, why are you not listed a country but a 'Disputed Province'on the side of countries who recognized you?
Because thats what Kosovo is at this point in time - SERBIAN disputed province.

It is naive and rather stupid to think that anything which is forcefully taken and made into a false quasi state would be sustainable for any period of time.

You keep saying ''Kosovo is Indepenent'' will not make it so, im afriad.
The sooner you come to terms with that, the better off you'll be.

Dear Peggy,

Until the Congress of Berlin Serbia was an autonomous entity within the Ottoman Empire. If the "law" was to be exercised, Serbs still wouldn't be independent.
But soveregnity is not like ownership. Or may be it used to be when monarchs actually owned the poeple concerned.
Well people are no longer subjects to their sovereng.
Australia is about to become a republic and the queen will have no option but to accept the will of the people.

You present it as if it was cutting bleeding flesh from Serbia's body! That was maybe the cas when Serbia aquired Kosovo (and other territories), not now. Why is it so hard to understand that Serbia's soveregnity over Kosovo was a formality, emptied of any sense for a long, long time.
Serbia may obstruct the normalization of Kosovo, and use the abnormal sytuation there as a case against its recognition, hoping that that in turn will keep the situiation abnormal. But that will inevitably infect Serbia with all the Kosovo's deseas: orginized crime etc.
When you have a gangrane, you need an operation, called amputation. Only a brief amputation of Kosovo will keep the Presevo valley and Sandzak same and will prevent the gangrane to spread to other more remote parts of Serbia's body.

Thank you Russia and Cyprus, you are our real friends.

Qafir,
“…It's a joint-orthodox approach …”

You are making fun of it, but you are actually right. That is beginning of it. You will see more in the future. And more Orthodox countries will join.

“… your country be more constructive and come up with positive recommendations or help?...”

Joe, now that you mention it, I think you are quite right. We should construct something. How about a huge Russian rocket base on Serbian territory? Would be that constructive enough for you?

“…Russia (centre of stolen cars and narco-traffic, criminal, poverty and Moscow taxis with no passengers). …Or maybe I am wrong. …”

Blero, you are wrong indeed, should refresh your info, it’s getting outdated.

“…countries fed the Albanian urge for independence as part of their plan to punish Milosevic. …”

Bob, it was never about Milosevic. They wanted destruction of Serbia and completely new balance of powers in the Balkan and (your) following sentence is the best proof:

“… strange…..that US and the EU sought to undermine the democratic government that replaced Milosevic…”

“…demos that got rid of Milosevic when he tried to fiddle the vote…”

Was that when “dictator” Milosevic “fiddled” the votes and our “democrats” burned the votes so nobady could count them?

“… USAID…”

KV, it would be a blessing for Serbia if Americans stop “helping” us. That money is mainly for our fifth colon hired by US to “reform” our country into the American colony.

“… By the way, what part of Cyprus are we talking about?...”

Johnny, Greek part of course. As you know, Turkish part is recognized only by Turky.

“… Cyprus a towncountry with no identity….”

??? EA, you mast be joking!? Cyprus has a Greek identity from the times of the bronze age.

Ok OK you are right, Albanians are Dumb ignorant, what else can I insult 2million people and ask them to be part of your country.

To you that say that Kosovo has not been recognized by its neighbors: First of all they have not said they will not, Look at Israel my dear friend no one in that region recognizes them at least we have Croatia, Slovenia Bulgaria and Hungary.

As for EU membership by the time Kosovo is ready to go to EU Cypress mite even be united and they will not care.

We can sit here and be rude to each other all we want but the truth is that something’s are out of our hands and let them take its course.

“MOSCOW -- Russia and Cyprus have agreed that talks between Belgrade and Priština over Kosovo should continue.”

What talks? After 6 years of Serbian-Kosovar talking, nothing was resolved.

And after February 17th and the recognition of Kosovo by most of the EU and NATO members, Pristina has nothing to talk with Belgrade anymore.

Anyway, did Slobodan Milosevic respect the international law when in 1998 and 1999? I don’t think so...

We know fully well that Russia has a veto power, we have never laughed at that. We have laughed when you Serbs label Russia as the "protector of International Law", that is quite hilarious.

You are all forgetting that the future of Republic of Kosova is in the EU not UN. You are also forgetting the fact that Russia and China will never rule the world, never. You simply do not acknowledge the fact that the United States of America's military budget is slightly larger than the next 17 most powerful countries budget combined together.

"How do you expect to get around the Security Council?

We won't, Kosova will join Albania. Does that answer your question?

And Peggy, continues:
"Without their recognition you have nothing. Who cares what the US says if they cannot get around the Security Council. "

We have 95% of Kosova, what do you have, Russia?
Who cares what Russia thinks. If Serbia is counting on Russia, see the answer to the question number one.
I can't remember how many times threats like this are thrown in this forum and frankly I never get tired to give an answer like above.

# Ment

"I was at the demos that got rid of Milosevic when he tried to fiddle the vote, and I assure you that the students and other young people there were as decently democratic as anyone anywhere in the world. To reduce that result to being just 'self serving' is wrong of you..."

I do not agree that Serbia is what you say it is. Yes there are many who are as you describe and their violence is heard on this site. They do no good for Serbia..."
(Bob, 9 June 2008 22:47)

OK, bob, let me try this, just in case you are still listening. i also remember the anti-slobo, pro-democracy movement in serbia, which i very strongly supported, from afaR. i have no reason to doubt your sincerity at the time, nor the dangers you encountered which were pervasive. it is never easy to oppose dictatorship, and when they are on the way down, they are at their most aggressive! tanks and blood on the streets of belgrade.

On the other hand, the rest of your posting is very typical of the other nationalist postings, minus some of the more vulgar language and overtly racist slurs. but the meaning is the same: the albanians are really the ones guilty of "ethnic cleansing," and they'd better mind their ways and go back to mother serbia for proper guidance. ad nauseum.

so here is the great irony, or as we might call it, "the serbian paradox." and you are not the first example, believe me; i have run into this again and again and again. you sound smart, reasonable, educated, open and decent -- then boom, a fully evolved nationalist agenda appears that in some ways is more nationalistic than milosevic's (who most people agree now was a major opportunist without
any consistent ideology.) you are democratic when it comes to belgrade, but totally hostile to democracy when it comes to pristina (or any other group of the former YU i can only assume.

and this is why it is so hard to build alliances with supposed democrats from serbia who have such "tendencies." unlike the true serbian intellectuals and dissidents that b92 refuses to cover...

if you advocate rhetoric against kosovar independence, and against albanians, then we have no basis from which to work together.

robert0/frisco

I recently returned from my Holiday in CUBA, where I meet lots of Serbs who lived and work in Kosova and now have settled in Canada. Until I introduced my self as Albanin from Kosova I could hear the conversation and what they were thinking – “chopping Kosova in to two parts” this is all they were talking all the time!!
Behind the seen (Fresh talks, Kosova serbs parliament etc. ) are just a bluff !! Serbia wants to partition Kosova in TWO before they recognise Kosova as independent state... THIS IS THE AIM OF SERBS AND SERBIA.

Dear all,

"Russia & Cyprus pushing/agreed that talks between Belgrade and Priština over Kosovo should continue"

LOL, it is amasing me...:):)

I think more attention should be given to this type of comment.

"Washington & Prishtina urging Russia and Chechnya to settle the issue by the end of this year.

or

France & Kosovo are pushing hard on Cyprus issue and sent a strong warning to Greek Cyprus government to agree on Western offer on Cyprus, otherwise sanctions are inevitable.


However, as far as Kosovo issue is concerned the Country has it status settled...and read my lips: KOSOVO IS INDEPENDENT...

UN must make it clear that Kosovo is Serbian territory and only then can negotiations take place about autonomy.
(Peggy, 9 June 2008 15:01)

Dear Peggy,

Are you trying to tell us that UN with one voice they will tell Kosovo that is part of Serbian territory? The chance are same as me having contacts with UFO's right at this moment.

PRN,
Well put,

How about a big NO and try leave us alone, thank you!

One can only laugh at reading such an article!
Both of these Countries, Russia and Cyprus have enormous issues and problems in handling their own problems at home and yet they appear to be in a position to advise others to discuss and settle issues through dialogue.

Dear Russia and Cyprus, please understand that a lesson has been learnt here, and dont waste anytime on resolving your home grown problems, once you lead by example then and only then will anyone take your comments seriously.

I am actually still laughing..........

orthodox.ru,

Instad of your negative criticism can you and your country be more constructive and come up with positive recomendations or help? There is a saying in the US "put up or..." you know what I mean.

Any more talks would just be a waste of time. The Albanians are convinced that they will have a country called Kosova as the Americans have convinced them of that.

What is left to do is make it quite clear to the Albanians and their mentors the Americans that Kosovo is Serbian territory and all they can get is autonomy as the international law states.

Serbia has no intention of allowing anyone to take away any part of their country so what what is the point in discussing the status?

Status will never be agreed on by both so it is time to implement the law. Just like in a court of law. The plaintiffs will not come to an agreement so a judge who is obliged to uphold the law is needed to state clearly what is within the law and rule on that.

UN must make it clear that Kosovo is Serbian territory and only then can negotiations take place about autonomy.

KOSOVO IS INDEPENDENT...

Because nothing depends on the people to inhabit it ! It's a deadlock reservation with no future. It's a center of stolen cars and narco traffic , criminal , poverty and Pristina as taxists with no passengers. No economy and no friendly nations ! Is it worth singing all the time God Bless America ?

@Mrs.Peggy
I would like to remember you that over 80% of Eu countries have recognized Kosovo and in particoluar all the big 4 so is not a problem of Us and the Kosovars and Serbia it is also a problem between Serbia and EU...

I just love it when people that have no idea about a region try to give lectures.
Or, were you talking about Russia (centre of stolen cars and narco-traffic, criminal, poverty and Moscow taxis with no passengers).
If that is the case I have to agree with you.
Or maybe I am wrong. Maybe you worked as a taxi driver in Prishtina therefore you know that?

Bob

You have to understand that the Serbian people did not get rid of Milosevic because of the atrocities committed under his watch, but rather because of the fact that Serbia was suffering politically and economically. In other words, the replacement of Milosevic was self-serving and Kosovo Albanians gained nothing but difficulties from the successive Serb governments.

To draw a parallel...the Palestinians democratically elected Hamas because it promised good governance to the Palestinians alone, but that did not make Hamas any less of a terrorist organization in the eyes of Israel and most of the Western world.

As this site has made it plenty obvious, many Serbs are still unapologetic about Serbia's role in the carnage of the 90-s. Not to say, that the rest of the parties, are innocent... far from it..but as they say, fix your house first before complaining about the neighbours.

As far as negotiations are concerned, the only hope Serbia might have...and that's a big MIGHT, would be to offer the alternative of a confederation agreement of sorts with Kosovo....in other words an agreement between equals. I don't see that happening, so I fully expect many of the Serbs here to keep on wasting their breath with the whole "Kosovo je Srbija" thing.

We have a joint approach to the situation regarding Kosovo," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said after a meeting with his Cypriot counterpart Marcos Kyprianou.
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Yes, they have a joint approach. It's a joint-orthodox approach, and as far as 'joints' go, this one can take you pretty HIGH

PRN & Ahmet Isufi - Are you two guys employed as comedians in Kosovo?

"However, as far as Kosovo issue is concerned the Country has it status settled...and read my lips: KOSOVO IS INDEPENDENT..." It's funny that an independent country can't even get something as simple as it's own dialling code and can't do anything aithout the permission of UNMIK. Oh, I forgot, you're a comedian and the latest joke is that Kosovo is independent. We laugh about it all the time at the UN with other UN member states. Even your buddy "Legal" is laughing at the joke.

"Are you trying to tell us that UN with one voice they will tell Kosovo that is part of Serbian territory? The chance are same as me having contacts with UFO's right at this moment. " Same could be said about Kosovo ever getting a seat at the UN.

Keep dreaming, it ain't NEVER gonna happen.

Russia and Cyprus are the very last countries to advise for "further negotions". Absolutely a waste of time! Russia blindly Serbia's ally and Cyprus a towncountry with no identity.

A message to all the albanian inhabitants of Kosovo:

You should know that no-matter if the whole world reckognises your "independence", if your neighbouring countries do not reckognise your existance, you have no future as a "country" in the region.

So far, ONLY Albania has reckognised you from the Balkan region, and some of the unimportant american "puppets" like Slovenia and Croatia, that nobody really cares what they think or do...

But what about the big countries of the region or your neighbouring countries??

Serbia consider you as her own "Stolen" homeland. FYROM refuses to recognize you. Romania refuses to recognize you. Greece doesn't even wants to hear about your independence, and consider Kosovo as serb land.

So how you think you will survive, if you don't exist for ALL the countries around you??? Simply there is no future...

I am Greek, but I know (as ALL THE BALKAN CITIZNES DO) that Kosovo was totally illegally taken from Serbia by force.

You will NEVER be recognized by the United Nations, as an independent country. You will NEVER be a part of any intenrational organization. You will NEVER be a member of the World Trade Organization, so goods can be imported and exported from and through your "country", from the neighbouring countries... (that is more crucial for your survival I think).

So, don't think that because USA and some other countries recognized you (ONLY IN BILATERAL RELATIONS), you will just form an independent and sovereign country.

Kosovo was taken illegally from Serbia, and all the balkan citiznes know that.

Kosovo belongs to Serbia, and it will always be. And the strong countries of the region... together with Russia... will work on that perspective. The game is not over albanians. The game just starts... wait to see the result.

They should have been talking about helping Serbia by sending money or the effects if America withdraws 180mn EUR that it donates via USAID every year to Serbia.

Ment, 9 June

In Russian slang "ment" means a "cop" so your mentality is appropriate. When you write "Honestly, having Russia and Cyprus of all countries, preach negotiations and the obeying of the rule of law, is like having two clowns telling you how to be serious." To understand how wrong you are you will have to learn to score upto 152 but not upto 2 as it is now.

"Cyprus also proved just how good ... " They suffered the same things as the Serbs so they stand so firm.

"there's one thing most Western opinion will agree upon ..." Who did it tell you that we value what the West thinks ? Along the 90-s they deceived us so many times that we cannot trust them any longer. They follow their own goals we those of our own. Nothing personal , just business. Yes we have criminals but they don't rule the country like in the Pristina ghetto.

Frankly I personally see no sence for the Serbs to live next to you. So some day there will be real separation but not under current terms. Russia has equalized the forces so you'd better get ready to negotiate the Serbs.

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Joe, 9 June


"There is a saying in the US "put up or..." you know what I mean"

Because you are impotent to find a way out of the US sponsored crisis I'd like to return you your saying. You know what I mean.

Shalom !

ORTHODOX.RU

I'm not sure how you drew the parallel between Serbia and Cyprus.

Let me remind you... the conflict in Cyprus started because the military junta of Greece in cooperation with Greek cypriot nationalists tried to overthrow the Cyprus government run by a Greek Cypriot so that Greece could annex Cyprus. In doing so of course, Greece violated an agreememnt with Britain and Turkey only a few years before.

I'm fully aware that 150+ countries have not recognized Kosovo..YET. Russia and Cyprus however, are the only hypocritical loudmouths that still actively try to promote themselves as "protectors" of international law. The rest pretty much keep quiet knowing full well their own closets are full of skeletons they don't wish to reveal.

That's what I pointed out to you. "Cops" most of all, tend to be very good at spotting ;-).

By the way, the whole "Yes we have criminals but they don't rule the country like in the Pristina ghetto." did make for a good laugh.

Cyprus pushes for fresh Kosovo talks?! Wow, Cyprus could've offered to mediate those talks as well. After all, everyone knows that Cyprus has a 3-decade old reputation for solving disputes with constructive talks. By the way, what part of Cyprus are we talking about?

“MOSCOW -- Russia and Cyprus have agreed that talks between Belgrade and Priština over Kosovo should continue.”

What talks? After 6 years of Serbian-Kosovar talking, nothing was resolved.

And after February 17th and the recognition of Kosovo by most of the EU and NATO members, Pristina has nothing to talk with Belgrade anymore.

Anyway, did Slobodan Milosevic respect the international law when in 1998 and 1999? I don’t think so...

We know fully well that Russia has a veto power, we have never laughed at that. We have laughed when you Serbs label Russia as the "protector of International Law", that is quite hilarious.

You are all forgetting that the future of Republic of Kosova is in the EU not UN. You are also forgetting the fact that Russia and China will never rule the world, never. You simply do not acknowledge the fact that the United States of America's military budget is slightly larger than the next 17 most powerful countries budget combined together.

"How do you expect to get around the Security Council?

We won't, Kosova will join Albania. Does that answer your question?

And Peggy, continues:
"Without their recognition you have nothing. Who cares what the US says if they cannot get around the Security Council. "

We have 95% of Kosova, what do you have, Russia?
Who cares what Russia thinks. If Serbia is counting on Russia, see the answer to the question number one.
I can't remember how many times threats like this are thrown in this forum and frankly I never get tired to give an answer like above.

# Ment

"I was at the demos that got rid of Milosevic when he tried to fiddle the vote, and I assure you that the students and other young people there were as decently democratic as anyone anywhere in the world. To reduce that result to being just 'self serving' is wrong of you..."

I do not agree that Serbia is what you say it is. Yes there are many who are as you describe and their violence is heard on this site. They do no good for Serbia..."
(Bob, 9 June 2008 22:47)

OK, bob, let me try this, just in case you are still listening. i also remember the anti-slobo, pro-democracy movement in serbia, which i very strongly supported, from afaR. i have no reason to doubt your sincerity at the time, nor the dangers you encountered which were pervasive. it is never easy to oppose dictatorship, and when they are on the way down, they are at their most aggressive! tanks and blood on the streets of belgrade.

On the other hand, the rest of your posting is very typical of the other nationalist postings, minus some of the more vulgar language and overtly racist slurs. but the meaning is the same: the albanians are really the ones guilty of "ethnic cleansing," and they'd better mind their ways and go back to mother serbia for proper guidance. ad nauseum.

so here is the great irony, or as we might call it, "the serbian paradox." and you are not the first example, believe me; i have run into this again and again and again. you sound smart, reasonable, educated, open and decent -- then boom, a fully evolved nationalist agenda appears that in some ways is more nationalistic than milosevic's (who most people agree now was a major opportunist without
any consistent ideology.) you are democratic when it comes to belgrade, but totally hostile to democracy when it comes to pristina (or any other group of the former YU i can only assume.

and this is why it is so hard to build alliances with supposed democrats from serbia who have such "tendencies." unlike the true serbian intellectuals and dissidents that b92 refuses to cover...

if you advocate rhetoric against kosovar independence, and against albanians, then we have no basis from which to work together.

robert0/frisco

Ok OK you are right, Albanians are Dumb ignorant, what else can I insult 2million people and ask them to be part of your country.

To you that say that Kosovo has not been recognized by its neighbors: First of all they have not said they will not, Look at Israel my dear friend no one in that region recognizes them at least we have Croatia, Slovenia Bulgaria and Hungary.

As for EU membership by the time Kosovo is ready to go to EU Cypress mite even be united and they will not care.

We can sit here and be rude to each other all we want but the truth is that something’s are out of our hands and let them take its course.

Dear Peggy,

Until the Congress of Berlin Serbia was an autonomous entity within the Ottoman Empire. If the "law" was to be exercised, Serbs still wouldn't be independent.
But soveregnity is not like ownership. Or may be it used to be when monarchs actually owned the poeple concerned.
Well people are no longer subjects to their sovereng.
Australia is about to become a republic and the queen will have no option but to accept the will of the people.

You present it as if it was cutting bleeding flesh from Serbia's body! That was maybe the cas when Serbia aquired Kosovo (and other territories), not now. Why is it so hard to understand that Serbia's soveregnity over Kosovo was a formality, emptied of any sense for a long, long time.
Serbia may obstruct the normalization of Kosovo, and use the abnormal sytuation there as a case against its recognition, hoping that that in turn will keep the situiation abnormal. But that will inevitably infect Serbia with all the Kosovo's deseas: orginized crime etc.
When you have a gangrane, you need an operation, called amputation. Only a brief amputation of Kosovo will keep the Presevo valley and Sandzak same and will prevent the gangrane to spread to other more remote parts of Serbia's body.

Negotiations are the only way to resolve this problem but certainly not with Priština. It would be pointless for Belgrade to talk to Priština when the occupiers are pulling their strings.

It is for Serbia, Russia (UN) and Cyprus (EU) to keep independence blocked at every level and to force them back to the negotiating table.

Independence is dead and if not already obvious, it will be shortly. The Albanians love the Americans and will just have to obey their masters whatever they decide.

This is about a face saving excercise for the US/EU and as for the Albanians, well, they will remain isolated within their pretend "independent Kosova".

ORTHODOX.RU

Don't take this personally, but to hear a Russian give lectures on organized crime and corruption is just plain laughable.

If there's one thing most Western opinion will agree upon, is that the concept of the "rule of law" in Russia is about as real as, in Ahmet's words, conversing with UFO-s right now.

Cyprus also proved just how good at negotiating and honorable a country it is, when the Greek half stabbed the Turkish half in the back only a couple of years ago.

Honestly, having Russia and Cyprus of all countries, preach negotiations and the obeying of the rule of law, is like having two clowns telling you how to be serious.

It seems that many Albanians are missing the point here. Russia has a veto in the UN and Cyprus has a veto in the EU.

That is enough to block independence on two very important levels and both strongly support Serbia.

Just to make it absolutely clear, independence is blocked my dear Albanian friends.

Ment

I was at the demos that got rid of Milosevic when he tried to fiddle the vote, and I assure you that the students and other young people there were as decently democratic as anyone anywhere in the world. To reduce that result to being just 'self serving' is wrong of you.

I do not agree that Serbia is what you say it is. Yes there are many who are as you describe and their violence is heard on this site. They do no good for Serbia.

However, what is the point of people like myself supporting a democratic Serbia if the EU and the US going to cynically undermine it by illegally taking Serbian land? They should have insisted on a negotiated solution.

I do not believe that the people of Serbia are any worse than the people of Croatia, of Slovenia, of Bosnia, of the EU, of the US, or of Kosovo.

My experience of Kosovo is of decent people (who happen to be Serbs) whose lives were made unbearable by the attitude and actions of their Albanian neighbours - before Milosevic ever came to power. There is no moral high ground for the Albanians in Kosovo. They do not deserve their independence. They are guilty of sustained coercion and ethnic cleansing, and should not have a reward for that.

The answer should not be a new country to reward or punish wrong doing. It should be a negotiation of all the parties involved, without threats and violence but with expectation that the interests of all sides will be taken seriously and treated with respect.

Kosovo is a weird invention that will not sustain for very long. There is no real point in its existence: it has no coherent ethnic basis (that is what Albania provides) and it is not going to be a multi-ethnic society without a negotiated agreement.

The Serbian claim will not go away - even if it does have an oddity on its land for a while.

It is good that countries do insist that negotiation should continue.

Albanians, laugh all you want and mock Russia, China, India and Cyprus or anyone else who stands by Serbia, but I have one important question for you.

How do you expect to get around the Security Council?
Without their recognition you have nothing. Who cares what the US says if they cannot get around the Security Council.

Russia and China are ready to veto for ever if necessary. Sooner or later you will have to drop this independence illusion and start negotiating about how to be better Serbian citizens.

I just hope the K-Albanians believe their own hype! The more they fail to see what's coming next, the better it is for International Law.


KOSOVO IS SERBIA!

I recently returned from my Holiday in CUBA, where I meet lots of Serbs who lived and work in Kosova and now have settled in Canada. Until I introduced my self as Albanin from Kosova I could hear the conversation and what they were thinking – “chopping Kosova in to two parts” this is all they were talking all the time!!
Behind the seen (Fresh talks, Kosova serbs parliament etc. ) are just a bluff !! Serbia wants to partition Kosova in TWO before they recognise Kosova as independent state... THIS IS THE AIM OF SERBS AND SERBIA.

I think it is good that a counter pressure be created - we cannot have a world where the US is the sole dictator of policy.

This is a point of contention - Kosovo as a state does not have a guaranteed future. Economically and politically there is lots of fall-out.

Personally, I think that the countries that pushed for the independence were part of the problem - they fed the Albanian urge for independence as part of their plan to punish Milosevic.

What was justified as a 'humantitarian intervention' was more than that - it was part of a determined policy against Serbia.

I also find it strange and politically incompetent that the US and the EU sought to undermine the democratic government that replaced Milosevic.

Thank you Russia and Cyprus, you are our real friends.

Qafir,
“…It's a joint-orthodox approach …”

You are making fun of it, but you are actually right. That is beginning of it. You will see more in the future. And more Orthodox countries will join.

“… your country be more constructive and come up with positive recommendations or help?...”

Joe, now that you mention it, I think you are quite right. We should construct something. How about a huge Russian rocket base on Serbian territory? Would be that constructive enough for you?

“…Russia (centre of stolen cars and narco-traffic, criminal, poverty and Moscow taxis with no passengers). …Or maybe I am wrong. …”

Blero, you are wrong indeed, should refresh your info, it’s getting outdated.

“…countries fed the Albanian urge for independence as part of their plan to punish Milosevic. …”

Bob, it was never about Milosevic. They wanted destruction of Serbia and completely new balance of powers in the Balkan and (your) following sentence is the best proof:

“… strange…..that US and the EU sought to undermine the democratic government that replaced Milosevic…”

“…demos that got rid of Milosevic when he tried to fiddle the vote…”

Was that when “dictator” Milosevic “fiddled” the votes and our “democrats” burned the votes so nobady could count them?

“… USAID…”

KV, it would be a blessing for Serbia if Americans stop “helping” us. That money is mainly for our fifth colon hired by US to “reform” our country into the American colony.

“… By the way, what part of Cyprus are we talking about?...”

Johnny, Greek part of course. As you know, Turkish part is recognized only by Turky.

“… Cyprus a towncountry with no identity….”

??? EA, you mast be joking!? Cyprus has a Greek identity from the times of the bronze age.

PRN Ahmet and Co,

Please do explain to the rest of us why you cannot travel to USA with Kosovo documents?
Better yet, since I am not familiar with American system as I am with British, explain to me why ANY form of ''Kosova'' ID is invalid to enter a country which recognized you as a state? Where are the embassies or the liaison offices of ALL countries that reocognized you?

And this is from countries which were first to recognize you - what do you expect from countries who have forecefully recognized you or not recognized you at all?

If you are INDEPENDENT, why are you not listed a country but a 'Disputed Province'on the side of countries who recognized you?
Because thats what Kosovo is at this point in time - SERBIAN disputed province.

It is naive and rather stupid to think that anything which is forcefully taken and made into a false quasi state would be sustainable for any period of time.

You keep saying ''Kosovo is Indepenent'' will not make it so, im afriad.
The sooner you come to terms with that, the better off you'll be.