>> You will of course prefer that Americans do heavy lifting for you
I do not think he meant it as a threat. But it's safe to say that people will probably rise again. About the lifting: No one will let the war happen, that's why they'll find a solution. Serbia is in horrible shape anyway. Wars cost money and this one they're bound to lose anyway eventually, Albs are 95% of the population.
Dialogue is still the best method in resolving the Kosovo issue. But unfortunately the event that took placed last February has changed the situation in the ground and tensions grew. It is correct that independence CANNOT BE IMPOSED in Kosovo without serbia's APPROVAL thus both parties have to return to the table for further talks and find a solution acceptable to both parties.
>> Serbia knows by now that it cannot get rid of the Albanian population there
they know they have failed so far. Take a poll and see what average Serbs think of Albanians and see what's on the Radical Party's plan. The fact that they can't do the same exact thing, does not mean a consistent pressure to make our lives miserable. Trust is GONE. The land is not owned by a state. The Serbs should have thought of this since 1912...
The US and the EU made the mistake of thinking that this round of "democratizing" an eastern european country will be accepted by everyone else. We of course now know, that it's not only Russia that doesn't support the move, but so many other huge players are against this unprecedented move by the West. Now that reality has hit everyone, the US and EU are scrambling to find a solution to stay on this track. Of course, they know that there will be no solution without compromise. No major power is willing to go to war over a meaningless province such as Kosovo, not the Russians and certainly not the US. When push comes to shove, the superpowers know that a compromise will have to be achieved that is acceptable to both sides. So for those who think that US support is absolutely one-sided, you will come to a new understanding soon. The US and the EU, under no circumstances, will risk conflict with a Russia or a China over little Kosovo. Get ready for a Kosovo that will be administered by both Serbs and Albanians.
Be honest, I think Albanians are very aware of this and are ready to sacrifice, if it comes to this. Of course, you will first try other ways, use any trick imaginable to reach your goals, as you were doing all these years … You will of course prefer that Americans do heavy lifting for you.
EA, (8 June 2008 16:02)
I find your comment and threats truly regrettable.I know this is how majority of the K-Albanians think and that is not only undemocratic but also dangerous.
It would be great if you can at least understand this:
Serbia knows by now that it cannot get rid of the Albanian population there, so it'll have to deal with them and find a mutual agreement over what president Tadic called a 'historic conflict'.
Most of the Serbs understand that much and can live with it.
And now some home work for you to do-
it would sound like this:
Kosovo still is a Serbian territory with Serbian churches and (handful thanks to you) Serbian people living there and you won't be able to get rid of us. NEVER.
So please try to dim your threats and help that we all find the solution for life of ALL PEOPLE in the territory of Kosovo.
Instead of threatening, make it a success. Make it democratic, make it peaceful.
EA: So many of your comments are just plain incorrect:
"Kate and other Serbs here by UN Security Council mean Russia veto which is openly on Serbian side."
Firstly, I am not Serbian at all. Secondly, I do genuinely believe in the process of the UN. That's the only body which can hold the current security of the world together (albeit badly at times).
Turn your argument around and note that the UK and US, which have used their veto far more often than Russia in the past, are trying to bypass due process to legitimise their own aims. There is nothing which can defend their current actions to undermine international law. It's bad for everyone.
"There is NO WAY that Serbia can have sovereignity over Kosova. I personally know that all Serbia wants now is to have in on paper that "Kosova is part of Serbia" so it can sell to the Serbian people "you see we managed to keep Serbia's sovereignity over Kosova"..."
Why can't Serbia and its people genuinely feel that Kosovo is part of Serbia? It's not some sort of ruse. Besides which, while Serbia clearly does not want to govern the Albanian areas of Kosovo, the fact remains that Serbia does still legally hold sovereignty over the province. This is just a fact, EA.
"Any attempt to change the new REALITY in Kosova would mean WAR not only in Kosova but much much wider that the Serbs or Russian can concieve."
Exactly why the UN, EU and various other nations and bodies are trying so desperately to find a new way forward to legitimise your 'new reality'. At the moment it is just a UDI supported by some countries.
Even if every country supported independence, it would still not make it legal. Imagine if you could lobby for the annexation of any territory in the world and achieve it by this sort of political force without approval from the sovereign state or the UN Security Council. There would be chaos.
As for your threats/ premonitions of war, you are talking about taking on the international forces. Even if they are just trying to hold both sides apart. This would be totally counterproductive for the Kosovo Albanian people.
The only way forward is further discussions and agreements involving all parties. Ban Ki-Moon knows this and I'm sure it will be the next proposal.
UN should have its office that will supervise the EULEX mission and the accomplishment of the SPECIAL UN ENVOY road map. Many here forget that Ahtisari was appointed by UN to find solution for the Kosova’s status foreseen in 1244 resolution- and he and his group (WHERE RUSSIA WAS A MEMBER) give the recommendations which now are put in practice. VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE that our Serbian and Russian friends forget easily, and should be reminded.
The Russian voice should not be taken into consideration since it's only destructive and hypocrite. They have nothing on stake here only their ambitions to regain teh international importance- which I don't know how they pretend to have it?
A country with less than 150 million, democracy that is only a vague idea, economy based solely on the oil and gas export.
Why not Germany? the largest EU democracy, teh second worlds economy, teh country that hosts more immigrants than anyone ells, unprecedented economic solidarity with teh continent that the human kind has ever known.
I think Germany has much better CV for such position than Russia. Ah I forgot: Russia has the "democratic" atomic bomb ;)
Mr. Ban KI Moon Please be careful on what your doing in the UN and make sure that the UN Charter will prevail and dont let yourself be used by others who are trying to imposed their own will even if their acts are illegal. Kosovo's future will be determined only by Serbia and the UNSC. Not by the US and not by the EU.
"Of course UNMIK can be reconstructed, but only via the UN Security Council".
Kate and other Serbs here by UN Security Council mean Russia veto which is openly on Serbian side. Anyone talking about the necessity of the "agreement" between Kosova and Serbia on the issue of EULEX is just bluffing. The views of both parties are extremly different. There is NO WAY that Serbia can have sovereignity over Kosova. I personally know that all Serbia wants now is to have in on paper that "Kosova is part of Serbia" so it can sell to the Serbian people "you see we managed to keep Serbia's sovereignity over Kosova" and "we are very democratic country as we have given Kosovar Albanians the hightest standards in the world on self governing".
Any attempt to change the new REALITY in Kosova would mean WAR not only in Kosova but much much wider that the Serbs or Russian can concieve.
EA: So many of your comments are just plain incorrect:
"Kate and other Serbs here by UN Security Council mean Russia veto which is openly on Serbian side."
Firstly, I am not Serbian at all. Secondly, I do genuinely believe in the process of the UN. That's the only body which can hold the current security of the world together (albeit badly at times).
Turn your argument around and note that the UK and US, which have used their veto far more often than Russia in the past, are trying to bypass due process to legitimise their own aims. There is nothing which can defend their current actions to undermine international law. It's bad for everyone.
"There is NO WAY that Serbia can have sovereignity over Kosova. I personally know that all Serbia wants now is to have in on paper that "Kosova is part of Serbia" so it can sell to the Serbian people "you see we managed to keep Serbia's sovereignity over Kosova"..."
Why can't Serbia and its people genuinely feel that Kosovo is part of Serbia? It's not some sort of ruse. Besides which, while Serbia clearly does not want to govern the Albanian areas of Kosovo, the fact remains that Serbia does still legally hold sovereignty over the province. This is just a fact, EA.
"Any attempt to change the new REALITY in Kosova would mean WAR not only in Kosova but much much wider that the Serbs or Russian can concieve."
Exactly why the UN, EU and various other nations and bodies are trying so desperately to find a new way forward to legitimise your 'new reality'. At the moment it is just a UDI supported by some countries.
Even if every country supported independence, it would still not make it legal. Imagine if you could lobby for the annexation of any territory in the world and achieve it by this sort of political force without approval from the sovereign state or the UN Security Council. There would be chaos.
As for your threats/ premonitions of war, you are talking about taking on the international forces. Even if they are just trying to hold both sides apart. This would be totally counterproductive for the Kosovo Albanian people.
The only way forward is further discussions and agreements involving all parties. Ban Ki-Moon knows this and I'm sure it will be the next proposal.
Mr. Ban KI Moon Please be careful on what your doing in the UN and make sure that the UN Charter will prevail and dont let yourself be used by others who are trying to imposed their own will even if their acts are illegal. Kosovo's future will be determined only by Serbia and the UNSC. Not by the US and not by the EU.
"Of course UNMIK can be reconstructed, but only via the UN Security Council".
Kate and other Serbs here by UN Security Council mean Russia veto which is openly on Serbian side. Anyone talking about the necessity of the "agreement" between Kosova and Serbia on the issue of EULEX is just bluffing. The views of both parties are extremly different. There is NO WAY that Serbia can have sovereignity over Kosova. I personally know that all Serbia wants now is to have in on paper that "Kosova is part of Serbia" so it can sell to the Serbian people "you see we managed to keep Serbia's sovereignity over Kosova" and "we are very democratic country as we have given Kosovar Albanians the hightest standards in the world on self governing".
Any attempt to change the new REALITY in Kosova would mean WAR not only in Kosova but much much wider that the Serbs or Russian can concieve.
Be honest, I think Albanians are very aware of this and are ready to sacrifice, if it comes to this. Of course, you will first try other ways, use any trick imaginable to reach your goals, as you were doing all these years … You will of course prefer that Americans do heavy lifting for you.
The US and the EU made the mistake of thinking that this round of "democratizing" an eastern european country will be accepted by everyone else. We of course now know, that it's not only Russia that doesn't support the move, but so many other huge players are against this unprecedented move by the West. Now that reality has hit everyone, the US and EU are scrambling to find a solution to stay on this track. Of course, they know that there will be no solution without compromise. No major power is willing to go to war over a meaningless province such as Kosovo, not the Russians and certainly not the US. When push comes to shove, the superpowers know that a compromise will have to be achieved that is acceptable to both sides. So for those who think that US support is absolutely one-sided, you will come to a new understanding soon. The US and the EU, under no circumstances, will risk conflict with a Russia or a China over little Kosovo. Get ready for a Kosovo that will be administered by both Serbs and Albanians.
UN should have its office that will supervise the EULEX mission and the accomplishment of the SPECIAL UN ENVOY road map. Many here forget that Ahtisari was appointed by UN to find solution for the Kosova’s status foreseen in 1244 resolution- and he and his group (WHERE RUSSIA WAS A MEMBER) give the recommendations which now are put in practice. VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE that our Serbian and Russian friends forget easily, and should be reminded.
The Russian voice should not be taken into consideration since it's only destructive and hypocrite. They have nothing on stake here only their ambitions to regain teh international importance- which I don't know how they pretend to have it?
A country with less than 150 million, democracy that is only a vague idea, economy based solely on the oil and gas export.
Why not Germany? the largest EU democracy, teh second worlds economy, teh country that hosts more immigrants than anyone ells, unprecedented economic solidarity with teh continent that the human kind has ever known.
I think Germany has much better CV for such position than Russia. Ah I forgot: Russia has the "democratic" atomic bomb ;)
EA, (8 June 2008 16:02)
I find your comment and threats truly regrettable.I know this is how majority of the K-Albanians think and that is not only undemocratic but also dangerous.
It would be great if you can at least understand this:
Serbia knows by now that it cannot get rid of the Albanian population there, so it'll have to deal with them and find a mutual agreement over what president Tadic called a 'historic conflict'.
Most of the Serbs understand that much and can live with it.
And now some home work for you to do-
it would sound like this:
Kosovo still is a Serbian territory with Serbian churches and (handful thanks to you) Serbian people living there and you won't be able to get rid of us. NEVER.
So please try to dim your threats and help that we all find the solution for life of ALL PEOPLE in the territory of Kosovo.
Instead of threatening, make it a success. Make it democratic, make it peaceful.
Dialogue is still the best method in resolving the Kosovo issue. But unfortunately the event that took placed last February has changed the situation in the ground and tensions grew. It is correct that independence CANNOT BE IMPOSED in Kosovo without serbia's APPROVAL thus both parties have to return to the table for further talks and find a solution acceptable to both parties.
>> Serbia knows by now that it cannot get rid of the Albanian population there
they know they have failed so far. Take a poll and see what average Serbs think of Albanians and see what's on the Radical Party's plan. The fact that they can't do the same exact thing, does not mean a consistent pressure to make our lives miserable. Trust is GONE. The land is not owned by a state. The Serbs should have thought of this since 1912...
>> You will of course prefer that Americans do heavy lifting for you
I do not think he meant it as a threat. But it's safe to say that people will probably rise again. About the lifting: No one will let the war happen, that's why they'll find a solution. Serbia is in horrible shape anyway. Wars cost money and this one they're bound to lose anyway eventually, Albs are 95% of the population.
"Of course UNMIK can be reconstructed, but only via the UN Security Council".
Kate and other Serbs here by UN Security Council mean Russia veto which is openly on Serbian side. Anyone talking about the necessity of the "agreement" between Kosova and Serbia on the issue of EULEX is just bluffing. The views of both parties are extremly different. There is NO WAY that Serbia can have sovereignity over Kosova. I personally know that all Serbia wants now is to have in on paper that "Kosova is part of Serbia" so it can sell to the Serbian people "you see we managed to keep Serbia's sovereignity over Kosova" and "we are very democratic country as we have given Kosovar Albanians the hightest standards in the world on self governing".
Any attempt to change the new REALITY in Kosova would mean WAR not only in Kosova but much much wider that the Serbs or Russian can concieve.
UN should have its office that will supervise the EULEX mission and the accomplishment of the SPECIAL UN ENVOY road map. Many here forget that Ahtisari was appointed by UN to find solution for the Kosova’s status foreseen in 1244 resolution- and he and his group (WHERE RUSSIA WAS A MEMBER) give the recommendations which now are put in practice. VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE that our Serbian and Russian friends forget easily, and should be reminded.
The Russian voice should not be taken into consideration since it's only destructive and hypocrite. They have nothing on stake here only their ambitions to regain teh international importance- which I don't know how they pretend to have it?
A country with less than 150 million, democracy that is only a vague idea, economy based solely on the oil and gas export.
Why not Germany? the largest EU democracy, teh second worlds economy, teh country that hosts more immigrants than anyone ells, unprecedented economic solidarity with teh continent that the human kind has ever known.
I think Germany has much better CV for such position than Russia. Ah I forgot: Russia has the "democratic" atomic bomb ;)
Mr. Ban KI Moon Please be careful on what your doing in the UN and make sure that the UN Charter will prevail and dont let yourself be used by others who are trying to imposed their own will even if their acts are illegal. Kosovo's future will be determined only by Serbia and the UNSC. Not by the US and not by the EU.
EA: So many of your comments are just plain incorrect:
"Kate and other Serbs here by UN Security Council mean Russia veto which is openly on Serbian side."
Firstly, I am not Serbian at all. Secondly, I do genuinely believe in the process of the UN. That's the only body which can hold the current security of the world together (albeit badly at times).
Turn your argument around and note that the UK and US, which have used their veto far more often than Russia in the past, are trying to bypass due process to legitimise their own aims. There is nothing which can defend their current actions to undermine international law. It's bad for everyone.
"There is NO WAY that Serbia can have sovereignity over Kosova. I personally know that all Serbia wants now is to have in on paper that "Kosova is part of Serbia" so it can sell to the Serbian people "you see we managed to keep Serbia's sovereignity over Kosova"..."
Why can't Serbia and its people genuinely feel that Kosovo is part of Serbia? It's not some sort of ruse. Besides which, while Serbia clearly does not want to govern the Albanian areas of Kosovo, the fact remains that Serbia does still legally hold sovereignty over the province. This is just a fact, EA.
"Any attempt to change the new REALITY in Kosova would mean WAR not only in Kosova but much much wider that the Serbs or Russian can concieve."
Exactly why the UN, EU and various other nations and bodies are trying so desperately to find a new way forward to legitimise your 'new reality'. At the moment it is just a UDI supported by some countries.
Even if every country supported independence, it would still not make it legal. Imagine if you could lobby for the annexation of any territory in the world and achieve it by this sort of political force without approval from the sovereign state or the UN Security Council. There would be chaos.
As for your threats/ premonitions of war, you are talking about taking on the international forces. Even if they are just trying to hold both sides apart. This would be totally counterproductive for the Kosovo Albanian people.
The only way forward is further discussions and agreements involving all parties. Ban Ki-Moon knows this and I'm sure it will be the next proposal.
EA, (8 June 2008 16:02)
I find your comment and threats truly regrettable.I know this is how majority of the K-Albanians think and that is not only undemocratic but also dangerous.
It would be great if you can at least understand this:
Serbia knows by now that it cannot get rid of the Albanian population there, so it'll have to deal with them and find a mutual agreement over what president Tadic called a 'historic conflict'.
Most of the Serbs understand that much and can live with it.
And now some home work for you to do-
it would sound like this:
Kosovo still is a Serbian territory with Serbian churches and (handful thanks to you) Serbian people living there and you won't be able to get rid of us. NEVER.
So please try to dim your threats and help that we all find the solution for life of ALL PEOPLE in the territory of Kosovo.
Instead of threatening, make it a success. Make it democratic, make it peaceful.
Be honest, I think Albanians are very aware of this and are ready to sacrifice, if it comes to this. Of course, you will first try other ways, use any trick imaginable to reach your goals, as you were doing all these years … You will of course prefer that Americans do heavy lifting for you.
The US and the EU made the mistake of thinking that this round of "democratizing" an eastern european country will be accepted by everyone else. We of course now know, that it's not only Russia that doesn't support the move, but so many other huge players are against this unprecedented move by the West. Now that reality has hit everyone, the US and EU are scrambling to find a solution to stay on this track. Of course, they know that there will be no solution without compromise. No major power is willing to go to war over a meaningless province such as Kosovo, not the Russians and certainly not the US. When push comes to shove, the superpowers know that a compromise will have to be achieved that is acceptable to both sides. So for those who think that US support is absolutely one-sided, you will come to a new understanding soon. The US and the EU, under no circumstances, will risk conflict with a Russia or a China over little Kosovo. Get ready for a Kosovo that will be administered by both Serbs and Albanians.
>> Serbia knows by now that it cannot get rid of the Albanian population there
they know they have failed so far. Take a poll and see what average Serbs think of Albanians and see what's on the Radical Party's plan. The fact that they can't do the same exact thing, does not mean a consistent pressure to make our lives miserable. Trust is GONE. The land is not owned by a state. The Serbs should have thought of this since 1912...
Dialogue is still the best method in resolving the Kosovo issue. But unfortunately the event that took placed last February has changed the situation in the ground and tensions grew. It is correct that independence CANNOT BE IMPOSED in Kosovo without serbia's APPROVAL thus both parties have to return to the table for further talks and find a solution acceptable to both parties.
>> You will of course prefer that Americans do heavy lifting for you
I do not think he meant it as a threat. But it's safe to say that people will probably rise again. About the lifting: No one will let the war happen, that's why they'll find a solution. Serbia is in horrible shape anyway. Wars cost money and this one they're bound to lose anyway eventually, Albs are 95% of the population.
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