Lavrov: EULEX cannot be imposed

"in order for the present mandate or form of international civilian presence – the UN mission, UNMIK – to be changed, a UN Security Council decision was necessary"

- how much clearer can it be ? Serbia decides what happens in its province since Russia and China is in agreement with respects Serbian sovereignty!

No doubt the EUcrats as "friends of Serbia" such as Solano, Rehn, Rupel or Sarkozy can now fully comprehend there will be no EULEX and its deceit of "implementing the Ahtisaari" (UN SC failed) plan!

Serbia decides and that means continued soverignity over the whole of the province while expanding its legitamacy throughout Kosovo & Metohija;
http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSL06279875

Of course the EUcrats will need to spin and weave an ever greater web of deceit to those who still believe the US is the sole super power (in a multi-polar world) and that the US dictate/determine EU policy!!!

That said it looks like there is trouble brewing amongst the ethnic-Albanians given the gun battle at Thaci's home - one suspects if the "burglars" wer after something more personal then material items given the risk such an attempt would be?

In the BBC report it quotes;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7441584.stm
"Mr Thaci's deputy, Hajredin Kuci, said: "The fact that someone has tried to hurt the prime minister and his family for whatever reason is not only criminal, it goes beyond any political hatred or impatience." "

- beyond political hatred I can comprehend that statement but why did he add "or impatience" - could it be that he agrees this should have happend but just not yet...?Thaci not delivering on his promises ...? Trouble brewing...?

The US and EU decided to abandon the UN after the Ahtisaari plan failed to be approved and now they are back there begging for support to implement that rejected plan.

There should be no UN action without the approval of the security council so lets see if the UN Secretary General does his job or is out of a job.

The EU mission is illegal just like the IUDI. The Albanians here were claiming the UN is redundant so why then are the occupiers back there?

Quite simply, independence is irreversibly blocked and this "independent Kosova" we keep hearing about is just a figment of the Albanian imagination. The occupiers could not deliver independence so making them believe they are is good enough!

Serbia can indeed relax and whatch this "government" (and their backers) runned from Camp Bondsteel, implode by it´s own hybris..

It seems impossible, given the latest "developments", for these organ sex and drug bandits to build their intended "state" on another country´s land. No Serbs left and they start to grab each others throats....

To all those who believed in international law should monitor closely the UN coz the leading law breakers like the US and EU elites would try to rubber stamp the EULEX as replacement for UNMIK even without UNSC approval. They are squeezing Mr. Ban Ki Moon to allow EULEX to be deployed by bypassing Russia, China & other countries who opposed the so called Kosovo state.

> Lavrov, 2007:

> "The independence of Kosovo cannot be imposed".
(Bad Gorilla, 8 June 2008 12:38)

Your analogy is irrelevant. Lavrov's statement was correct then... & it is correct now.

And until you & those who think like you concede the fundamental reality of his statement, the situation in Kosovo is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon.

Lavrov, 2007:

"The independence of Kosovo cannot be imposed".

a diference from a serb to russian is just a package

Adrian,

did I not say prior to the second link;

"Serbia decides and that means continued soverignity over the whole of the province while expanding its legitamacy throughout Kosovo & Metohija; "

I am sure your English is good enough to comprehend that means Serbia must be involved in formulating any new change in mandate that needs to be passed in the UNSC for it to occur.

Surely you can appreciate the fairly distinctive point being put across in plain English? It is in quite plain English i.e. if any change is to occur Serbia must be involved and only if it is accceptable will such a change in mandate take place i.e. it must continue to respect and uphold Serbia's soverignity and a truly lasting and stable solution will only occur through real and tangible negotiations!!!

I hope you now comprehend this simple concept;- a change in UNMIK mandate must be passed in UNSC and for that to occur it must be accceptable to the sovereign state otherwise this is just a continuation of Status Quo Frozen conflict no more no less!

Now of course you could say the US would not like that and will block such a scenario of agreement by Serbia but then they are the ones who so ardently shout Status Quo is untenable yet here they are creating and driving non status solutions which clearly are unworkable and lead to an ever greater economic quagmire for the Serbian province - unless you can evidence otherwise over the last 4 months!

Of course many can choose to believe the US but then the same was said in 1999 onwards and where has that lead everyone but to this point - a vicous circle of Status Quo and ever greater economic demise of the Serbian province - not a good thing for all concerned!

Adrian I can't see why your confusing yourself on this point and I hope by saying over point over and over again you have resolved your own confusion!

well, I actually belive that EULEX will be imposed in SOME parts of Kosovo, probably only the albanian parts, north of Ibar and the enclaves already have functioning civil society, no need for some eulaw there. If the albanians want it, fine, but they have to realize that the north is lost for them. They will probably turn their eyes to FYROM in the next years insted

Princip, first you quote:
"in order for the present mandate or form of international civilian presence – the UN mission, UNMIK – to be changed, a UN Security Council decision was necessary"

and then you provide us with a link where Samardzic says:

"Our proposal has been accepted, but it has become part of a package by the U.N. Secretary-General on the reconfiguration of UNMIK," Samardzic said. "We expect his letter any day now."

Now what is indeed needed? A decision by Mr. Ban Ki-moon or by UNSC?

a diference from a serb to russian is just a package
(ernie, 8 June 2008 16:19)

At first, it's indeed just how you write the same thing: "ћ" or "ть".
But otherwise believe me, thank goodness, there is quite a bit of disagreement. Which shows, people are mature enough not to be attached to a remote control unit.

That reminds me...

Lavrov, 2007:

"The independence of Kosovo cannot be imposed".
(Bad Gorilla, 8 June 2008 12:38)

Why, is Kosovo independent? (See the remote control unit above)

>> They will probably turn their eyes to FYROM in the next years insted

Presevo Valley if you take the north. It's only fair. If Albos can't rule Serbs, you can't rule us. It's a very small part of land anyway and settles ALL the issues. No frozen conflicts to explode 4-5 years from now.

FYROm? Albanians are 25% already, maybe an unofficial Republica Spska.

Ever notice when the "pro-serbian" rhetoric increases in Moscow it is usually followed by something like the other Russian article today "Russia urges ratification of gas deal"

"Adrian I can't see why your confusing yourself on this point and I hope by saying over point over and over again you have resolved your own confusion!"

Princip, there is no confusion. For ANY kind of Unmik reconfiguration you need a decision by UNSC. So, both EU AND Samardzic are just dreaming, because UNSC will never make any decision on that matter.

This article shows the desperate moves from the serbs and the russians,and as well it shows how shortsighted they are.You people must understand that there is no more turning back in Kosovo,with or without UN.So look forward to a better future as neighbours.After june 15'th Kosovo will decide for it's moves,and it's only a matter of time for UNMIK to go away,because they were always useless.

a diference from a serb to russian is just a package

Serbia can indeed relax and whatch this "government" (and their backers) runned from Camp Bondsteel, implode by it´s own hybris..

It seems impossible, given the latest "developments", for these organ sex and drug bandits to build their intended "state" on another country´s land. No Serbs left and they start to grab each others throats....

Lavrov, 2007:

"The independence of Kosovo cannot be imposed".

Princip, first you quote:
"in order for the present mandate or form of international civilian presence – the UN mission, UNMIK – to be changed, a UN Security Council decision was necessary"

and then you provide us with a link where Samardzic says:

"Our proposal has been accepted, but it has become part of a package by the U.N. Secretary-General on the reconfiguration of UNMIK," Samardzic said. "We expect his letter any day now."

Now what is indeed needed? A decision by Mr. Ban Ki-moon or by UNSC?

well, I actually belive that EULEX will be imposed in SOME parts of Kosovo, probably only the albanian parts, north of Ibar and the enclaves already have functioning civil society, no need for some eulaw there. If the albanians want it, fine, but they have to realize that the north is lost for them. They will probably turn their eyes to FYROM in the next years insted

This article shows the desperate moves from the serbs and the russians,and as well it shows how shortsighted they are.You people must understand that there is no more turning back in Kosovo,with or without UN.So look forward to a better future as neighbours.After june 15'th Kosovo will decide for it's moves,and it's only a matter of time for UNMIK to go away,because they were always useless.

"in order for the present mandate or form of international civilian presence – the UN mission, UNMIK – to be changed, a UN Security Council decision was necessary"

- how much clearer can it be ? Serbia decides what happens in its province since Russia and China is in agreement with respects Serbian sovereignty!

No doubt the EUcrats as "friends of Serbia" such as Solano, Rehn, Rupel or Sarkozy can now fully comprehend there will be no EULEX and its deceit of "implementing the Ahtisaari" (UN SC failed) plan!

Serbia decides and that means continued soverignity over the whole of the province while expanding its legitamacy throughout Kosovo & Metohija;
http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSL06279875

Of course the EUcrats will need to spin and weave an ever greater web of deceit to those who still believe the US is the sole super power (in a multi-polar world) and that the US dictate/determine EU policy!!!

That said it looks like there is trouble brewing amongst the ethnic-Albanians given the gun battle at Thaci's home - one suspects if the "burglars" wer after something more personal then material items given the risk such an attempt would be?

In the BBC report it quotes;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7441584.stm
"Mr Thaci's deputy, Hajredin Kuci, said: "The fact that someone has tried to hurt the prime minister and his family for whatever reason is not only criminal, it goes beyond any political hatred or impatience." "

- beyond political hatred I can comprehend that statement but why did he add "or impatience" - could it be that he agrees this should have happend but just not yet...?Thaci not delivering on his promises ...? Trouble brewing...?

The US and EU decided to abandon the UN after the Ahtisaari plan failed to be approved and now they are back there begging for support to implement that rejected plan.

There should be no UN action without the approval of the security council so lets see if the UN Secretary General does his job or is out of a job.

The EU mission is illegal just like the IUDI. The Albanians here were claiming the UN is redundant so why then are the occupiers back there?

Quite simply, independence is irreversibly blocked and this "independent Kosova" we keep hearing about is just a figment of the Albanian imagination. The occupiers could not deliver independence so making them believe they are is good enough!

To all those who believed in international law should monitor closely the UN coz the leading law breakers like the US and EU elites would try to rubber stamp the EULEX as replacement for UNMIK even without UNSC approval. They are squeezing Mr. Ban Ki Moon to allow EULEX to be deployed by bypassing Russia, China & other countries who opposed the so called Kosovo state.

> Lavrov, 2007:

> "The independence of Kosovo cannot be imposed".
(Bad Gorilla, 8 June 2008 12:38)

Your analogy is irrelevant. Lavrov's statement was correct then... & it is correct now.

And until you & those who think like you concede the fundamental reality of his statement, the situation in Kosovo is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon.

>> They will probably turn their eyes to FYROM in the next years insted

Presevo Valley if you take the north. It's only fair. If Albos can't rule Serbs, you can't rule us. It's a very small part of land anyway and settles ALL the issues. No frozen conflicts to explode 4-5 years from now.

FYROm? Albanians are 25% already, maybe an unofficial Republica Spska.

a diference from a serb to russian is just a package
(ernie, 8 June 2008 16:19)

At first, it's indeed just how you write the same thing: "ћ" or "ть".
But otherwise believe me, thank goodness, there is quite a bit of disagreement. Which shows, people are mature enough not to be attached to a remote control unit.

That reminds me...

Lavrov, 2007:

"The independence of Kosovo cannot be imposed".
(Bad Gorilla, 8 June 2008 12:38)

Why, is Kosovo independent? (See the remote control unit above)

Ever notice when the "pro-serbian" rhetoric increases in Moscow it is usually followed by something like the other Russian article today "Russia urges ratification of gas deal"

Adrian,

did I not say prior to the second link;

"Serbia decides and that means continued soverignity over the whole of the province while expanding its legitamacy throughout Kosovo & Metohija; "

I am sure your English is good enough to comprehend that means Serbia must be involved in formulating any new change in mandate that needs to be passed in the UNSC for it to occur.

Surely you can appreciate the fairly distinctive point being put across in plain English? It is in quite plain English i.e. if any change is to occur Serbia must be involved and only if it is accceptable will such a change in mandate take place i.e. it must continue to respect and uphold Serbia's soverignity and a truly lasting and stable solution will only occur through real and tangible negotiations!!!

I hope you now comprehend this simple concept;- a change in UNMIK mandate must be passed in UNSC and for that to occur it must be accceptable to the sovereign state otherwise this is just a continuation of Status Quo Frozen conflict no more no less!

Now of course you could say the US would not like that and will block such a scenario of agreement by Serbia but then they are the ones who so ardently shout Status Quo is untenable yet here they are creating and driving non status solutions which clearly are unworkable and lead to an ever greater economic quagmire for the Serbian province - unless you can evidence otherwise over the last 4 months!

Of course many can choose to believe the US but then the same was said in 1999 onwards and where has that lead everyone but to this point - a vicous circle of Status Quo and ever greater economic demise of the Serbian province - not a good thing for all concerned!

Adrian I can't see why your confusing yourself on this point and I hope by saying over point over and over again you have resolved your own confusion!

"Adrian I can't see why your confusing yourself on this point and I hope by saying over point over and over again you have resolved your own confusion!"

Princip, there is no confusion. For ANY kind of Unmik reconfiguration you need a decision by UNSC. So, both EU AND Samardzic are just dreaming, because UNSC will never make any decision on that matter.