Daily: Moscow opposes UNMIK reconfiguration

Ben - 'Kosova' does not legally exist. That's why there has been no substantiation of independence and only individual states have recognised the declaration.

Kosovo still legally remains part of Serbia and under the auspices of the UN. The only way to settle things and move forward is for the UN Security Council, EU, Serbia and the provincial government to reach a compromise solution of some kind.

There is no other way, which is why Mr Moon is currently drafting a proposal for some sort of power share which Serbia can accept. This may well be the basis for new talks.

As for Russia, knock her all you like, but they are defenders of international law in this situation (thankfully). They have right on their side and there are many, many countries who wish to see international treaties and laws prevail. It is in everyone's interest.

It was always ridiculous to think that the international bodies would support the annexation of sovereign territory by one ethnic group. There are few flags being waved for 'Kosova' and many being hoisted which are Albanian - it's just a land grab towards a Greater Albania which will never be allowed to happen.

The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence.

Moscow is doing his best in complicating the life ion Kosova.

They are regressive and destabilizing factor in Balkans, hence their influence and oppinion should start to be delimitated and slowly ignored.

No one dear to ask them what is going on in their backyard (Caucasus) so reciprocity should be applied; they should not have a voice in Balkans

Dear Kate !

Why should you worry about all those frozen out people ? If Russia is so weak and impotent why are they so anxious ? If Russia is a "regressive and destabilizing factor in Balkans" one can guess that the Albanians are progressive and stabilisating factor ! One cat and one rat were able to destroy the whole energy supply system in Tirana and they call themselves progressive to say nothing of their "stabilizating factor" !

Dear Kate ! Very few people now realize that Serbia's stand for it's integrity has also untied Russia's hands to solve the problems being in a "stand by" position. If the West not retreats in Kosovo Russia will offer them a price that exeeds the total value of the frozen people NATO states are trying to defend in Kosovo. We shall destroy their vassals in Georgia and the Ukraine. Then we can talk of the Baltic regimes.

Sorry Kate, your analysis is empty. It has been proven beyond doubt that there is no " compromise solution of some kind. ". In mathematical terms this would be called an MP problem. This means that not only has been said that there is no solution to the (compromise on the status between two parties) problem but also has been proven to be so.

As for Russia, well it has long fingers but it cannot reach Kosova.
Your terminology like "annexation of sovereign territory by one ethnic group" or "The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence" is quite provokative but totally unrealistic and calls to Russia for help are cries in the wind.

Ben - 'Kosova' does not legally exist

(Kate, 6 June 2008 16:33)

I won’t be so sure in what you say- 43 countries and almost over 90% of the world’s democracies do not agree with you.

Of course you don't pretend that that the world’s greatest democracies take lessons from Russia on what is law please ;)))

>> The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence.


we had that in 1974. Once someone has police and army in your "autonomous" area, you are nothing. Serbs will move another xxx,000 Serbs in and use every tool in the book to take land and probably expel 'illegals' who don't have this or that document etc etc etc. We are not (that) stupid.

"The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence.
(Kate, 6 June 2008 16:33)

Is that "an offer"?

Kate and others here,

When are you going to get to grips with the new REALITY of an independent Kosova?

Serbia has nothing to offer and you should have known by now why. Please don't try to ignore the REALITY and the history of the conflict in Kosova. You can cry out for the Resolution 1244 from morning to night trying to represent and make deduction as you wish about the Serbia's "sovereignity" over Kosova but what do the FACTS tell to us. Has Serbia got any authority as a sovran country over Kosova? And that is not its wish but was forced to and you should know the reasons why.

to Al:

apparantly, you are.

instead of enjoying widest-possible autonomy you have chosen the wrong way, leading you to chaos.

in the next months, most of the Albanians who live in Germany, Switzerland etc. who came as "refugees" will be sent back, like Arigona Zogaj, an albanian girl that used to live in Austria...

and as soon as the albanian money-flow from the "Diaspora" starts to run dry...

your problems will start to get into your consciousness.

until that moment, you won´t wake up from your illusion, since you´re simply not cabable to understand that you´re being duped.

but, every dream has it´s end....

and yours will end too.

To all you Albanians out there. One question.
Who else beside yourselves refers to Kosovo as Kosova?

Do we see Kosova wirtten in any news papers around the world or do we see Kosovo?

Stop kidding yourselves. Just by distorting a name does not give you a country. Get a grip on reality.

Which means EULEX is DEAD in the UNSC therefore UNMIK will stay for good and with no changes at all. To our Albanian friends out there do not under estimate Russia, China & other 150 nations who still believes in international law and order.

Kosovo is Serbia!!

"If Kosovo stays with Serbia, in 30 years we'll swallow Serbia--which will not happen because we care about you--we're 2 million now and we'll be 4 in 25 years ;).
(Al, 6 June 2008 22:41)"



well, my dear Al...

in fact it´s going to be quite the opposite, but you´re not able to realize it yet.

those albanian fantasies about being the strongest in the balkans only by increasing population-numbers... in all honesty, are very cute.

they show this certain kind of childish naivety that drives you to dream about "kosova"...

given that the albanian population growth is about to stagnate and that the EU will need cheap ( unemployed ) workers, because of their falling population-numbers... let´s see how many of your "kosova"-patriots will stay there...

let´s just see what future brings.
and moreover, I love it watching the albanian writers expressing their frustration about Russia through writing about "Russia has no say", "russian bear´s claws are not long enough" and all the other usual bla bla.

UNSC 1244 is your "dead end", your blind alley, and that will be the measure for you until Serbia re-integrates it´s southern province again.

there´s nothing YOU can do about it, and that´s what bothers you, even if you do not admit it.

honestly, I am quite confident.

if the united states and big eu countrys are united moscow dont have any chance we see that in kosovo!

moscow is against this moscow is against that blablabla we know that!

but in the fact russia cant do anything the west will easy ingore russia!

well, Albo, that´s something that won´t happen.

as far as I am concerned, I can of course only sit and watch, since a single person can´t do hardly anything... :)

but, the Serbs in general, have proven several times in history that they do not bend, the never give up. that´s your nightmare, actually, because we won´t let you go. not with our territory.

in the next time you will have the opportunity to get used to self-rule ( as far as you are capable of doing that without killing each other - just take a look at the snake´s problem in the last few days )
and then you will have to accept what international law is telling you.

otherwise you will be isolated. and those states which "recognized" you, cannot breach the law eternally...

so, it´s only a question of time.

and we won´t let you go, since it is not yours, and...by the way, despite all those illyrian-myths NEVER was yours!

>> instead of enjoying widest-possible autonomy you have chosen the wrong way, leading you to chaos.

Jovan, Jovan, Jovan
Look who's talking. We tried the other way for 96 years, now we'll try this. Time for Serbia to try a different approach as well...cooperation, treating others as human beings and giving up the 'empire' pipe dream. Serbia cannot keep 2 million people attached against their will.

Neither Serbia nor Kosovo are rich so stop bragging. I know the situation in Serbia as well.

If Kosovo stays with Serbia, in 30 years we'll swallow Serbia--which will not happen because we care about you--we're 2 million now and we'll be 4 in 25 years ;).

Russia can oppose what it wants, but the fact on the ground is that the Big Bear does not have any armed force in Kosovo. So, if the West don’t go to shameful appeasement, it has all the cards that matter.

And an interesting thing is that some nationalist Serbs fear "Greater Albania"as they fear Death, and at the same time they carve for terriorial expansion of Serbia beyond its current borders — Central Serbia + Vojvodina.

>> given that the albanian population growth is about to stagnate and that the EU will need cheap ( unemployed ) workers, because of their falling population-numbers... let´s see how many of your "kosova"-patriots will stay there...

You know nothing of Albanians ;). We leave, and return and usually one or two sons provide for the rest. In the end they come back to the house they built (unless someone burns it, I will mention no names) A lot of Albos went to Turkey and some 300K are in Europe, yet we still are in Kosovo

Being large in numbers is not necessarily great, but once you near 7-8 million, that's enough and when everyone is losing, increasing (or not losing as much) is seen as a plus. Plus, we all will be linked and within 2 hours K-Albs will be able to go anywhere in Albania and vice-versa. Also eventually people will move from Kosovo, Albania to EU with no problems, within hours.

I know Russia /Serbia will try to get as much land as they can, but only the North is "Serbian" in population. No one will give you a 90% Albanian region. The idea is to see who blinks first: As long as no Serb rules we're not that bad. You also need $$ and they only way to get is to let Kosovo go. You are letting something that wasn't really yours go so it isn't much. A compromise will eb reached, but not at 25% or 40% of the land you want. That's insane. Take North of Ibar and 'let' Kosovo unite with Albania ;)

Jovan

You don’t bend so easy, what history book are you reading. You bend in Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Kosovo.

That is a lot of bending my friend more than a Chinese gymnast.

And as for Albanians in Swiss and Germany don’t worry about them they are not going any where.

I live in France but have American Citizenship no one asks me to go any place, and all Serbs have this fantasy that we are working as cleaners but to contrary.

@Peace:

Dear Peace,

I believe that you work as a highly paid executive in the USA but I still wonder why you have not learnt Grammar and spelling yet?
This applies to a large majority of your compatriots who post at B92.

Also, I do not understand why Albanians need a second state in the Balkans. After all, the only thing Albania ever achieved was to build more bunkers per capita than any other country in the world. I doubt Europe needs bunkers.

With love and respect.

Moscow is doing his best in complicating the life ion Kosova.

They are regressive and destabilizing factor in Balkans, hence their influence and oppinion should start to be delimitated and slowly ignored.

No one dear to ask them what is going on in their backyard (Caucasus) so reciprocity should be applied; they should not have a voice in Balkans

if the united states and big eu countrys are united moscow dont have any chance we see that in kosovo!

moscow is against this moscow is against that blablabla we know that!

but in the fact russia cant do anything the west will easy ingore russia!

Ben - 'Kosova' does not legally exist

(Kate, 6 June 2008 16:33)

I won’t be so sure in what you say- 43 countries and almost over 90% of the world’s democracies do not agree with you.

Of course you don't pretend that that the world’s greatest democracies take lessons from Russia on what is law please ;)))

Sorry Kate, your analysis is empty. It has been proven beyond doubt that there is no " compromise solution of some kind. ". In mathematical terms this would be called an MP problem. This means that not only has been said that there is no solution to the (compromise on the status between two parties) problem but also has been proven to be so.

As for Russia, well it has long fingers but it cannot reach Kosova.
Your terminology like "annexation of sovereign territory by one ethnic group" or "The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence" is quite provokative but totally unrealistic and calls to Russia for help are cries in the wind.

Ben - 'Kosova' does not legally exist. That's why there has been no substantiation of independence and only individual states have recognised the declaration.

Kosovo still legally remains part of Serbia and under the auspices of the UN. The only way to settle things and move forward is for the UN Security Council, EU, Serbia and the provincial government to reach a compromise solution of some kind.

There is no other way, which is why Mr Moon is currently drafting a proposal for some sort of power share which Serbia can accept. This may well be the basis for new talks.

As for Russia, knock her all you like, but they are defenders of international law in this situation (thankfully). They have right on their side and there are many, many countries who wish to see international treaties and laws prevail. It is in everyone's interest.

It was always ridiculous to think that the international bodies would support the annexation of sovereign territory by one ethnic group. There are few flags being waved for 'Kosova' and many being hoisted which are Albanian - it's just a land grab towards a Greater Albania which will never be allowed to happen.

The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence.

>> The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence.


we had that in 1974. Once someone has police and army in your "autonomous" area, you are nothing. Serbs will move another xxx,000 Serbs in and use every tool in the book to take land and probably expel 'illegals' who don't have this or that document etc etc etc. We are not (that) stupid.

"The most that Kosovo Albanians will have is the highest level of autonomy or a variation on independence.
(Kate, 6 June 2008 16:33)

Is that "an offer"?

Kate and others here,

When are you going to get to grips with the new REALITY of an independent Kosova?

Serbia has nothing to offer and you should have known by now why. Please don't try to ignore the REALITY and the history of the conflict in Kosova. You can cry out for the Resolution 1244 from morning to night trying to represent and make deduction as you wish about the Serbia's "sovereignity" over Kosova but what do the FACTS tell to us. Has Serbia got any authority as a sovran country over Kosova? And that is not its wish but was forced to and you should know the reasons why.

>> instead of enjoying widest-possible autonomy you have chosen the wrong way, leading you to chaos.

Jovan, Jovan, Jovan
Look who's talking. We tried the other way for 96 years, now we'll try this. Time for Serbia to try a different approach as well...cooperation, treating others as human beings and giving up the 'empire' pipe dream. Serbia cannot keep 2 million people attached against their will.

Neither Serbia nor Kosovo are rich so stop bragging. I know the situation in Serbia as well.

If Kosovo stays with Serbia, in 30 years we'll swallow Serbia--which will not happen because we care about you--we're 2 million now and we'll be 4 in 25 years ;).

Russia can oppose what it wants, but the fact on the ground is that the Big Bear does not have any armed force in Kosovo. So, if the West don’t go to shameful appeasement, it has all the cards that matter.

And an interesting thing is that some nationalist Serbs fear "Greater Albania"as they fear Death, and at the same time they carve for terriorial expansion of Serbia beyond its current borders — Central Serbia + Vojvodina.

>> given that the albanian population growth is about to stagnate and that the EU will need cheap ( unemployed ) workers, because of their falling population-numbers... let´s see how many of your "kosova"-patriots will stay there...

You know nothing of Albanians ;). We leave, and return and usually one or two sons provide for the rest. In the end they come back to the house they built (unless someone burns it, I will mention no names) A lot of Albos went to Turkey and some 300K are in Europe, yet we still are in Kosovo

Being large in numbers is not necessarily great, but once you near 7-8 million, that's enough and when everyone is losing, increasing (or not losing as much) is seen as a plus. Plus, we all will be linked and within 2 hours K-Albs will be able to go anywhere in Albania and vice-versa. Also eventually people will move from Kosovo, Albania to EU with no problems, within hours.

I know Russia /Serbia will try to get as much land as they can, but only the North is "Serbian" in population. No one will give you a 90% Albanian region. The idea is to see who blinks first: As long as no Serb rules we're not that bad. You also need $$ and they only way to get is to let Kosovo go. You are letting something that wasn't really yours go so it isn't much. A compromise will eb reached, but not at 25% or 40% of the land you want. That's insane. Take North of Ibar and 'let' Kosovo unite with Albania ;)

Dear Kate !

Why should you worry about all those frozen out people ? If Russia is so weak and impotent why are they so anxious ? If Russia is a "regressive and destabilizing factor in Balkans" one can guess that the Albanians are progressive and stabilisating factor ! One cat and one rat were able to destroy the whole energy supply system in Tirana and they call themselves progressive to say nothing of their "stabilizating factor" !

Dear Kate ! Very few people now realize that Serbia's stand for it's integrity has also untied Russia's hands to solve the problems being in a "stand by" position. If the West not retreats in Kosovo Russia will offer them a price that exeeds the total value of the frozen people NATO states are trying to defend in Kosovo. We shall destroy their vassals in Georgia and the Ukraine. Then we can talk of the Baltic regimes.

to Al:

apparantly, you are.

instead of enjoying widest-possible autonomy you have chosen the wrong way, leading you to chaos.

in the next months, most of the Albanians who live in Germany, Switzerland etc. who came as "refugees" will be sent back, like Arigona Zogaj, an albanian girl that used to live in Austria...

and as soon as the albanian money-flow from the "Diaspora" starts to run dry...

your problems will start to get into your consciousness.

until that moment, you won´t wake up from your illusion, since you´re simply not cabable to understand that you´re being duped.

but, every dream has it´s end....

and yours will end too.

To all you Albanians out there. One question.
Who else beside yourselves refers to Kosovo as Kosova?

Do we see Kosova wirtten in any news papers around the world or do we see Kosovo?

Stop kidding yourselves. Just by distorting a name does not give you a country. Get a grip on reality.

Which means EULEX is DEAD in the UNSC therefore UNMIK will stay for good and with no changes at all. To our Albanian friends out there do not under estimate Russia, China & other 150 nations who still believes in international law and order.

Kosovo is Serbia!!

"If Kosovo stays with Serbia, in 30 years we'll swallow Serbia--which will not happen because we care about you--we're 2 million now and we'll be 4 in 25 years ;).
(Al, 6 June 2008 22:41)"



well, my dear Al...

in fact it´s going to be quite the opposite, but you´re not able to realize it yet.

those albanian fantasies about being the strongest in the balkans only by increasing population-numbers... in all honesty, are very cute.

they show this certain kind of childish naivety that drives you to dream about "kosova"...

given that the albanian population growth is about to stagnate and that the EU will need cheap ( unemployed ) workers, because of their falling population-numbers... let´s see how many of your "kosova"-patriots will stay there...

let´s just see what future brings.
and moreover, I love it watching the albanian writers expressing their frustration about Russia through writing about "Russia has no say", "russian bear´s claws are not long enough" and all the other usual bla bla.

UNSC 1244 is your "dead end", your blind alley, and that will be the measure for you until Serbia re-integrates it´s southern province again.

there´s nothing YOU can do about it, and that´s what bothers you, even if you do not admit it.

honestly, I am quite confident.

well, Albo, that´s something that won´t happen.

as far as I am concerned, I can of course only sit and watch, since a single person can´t do hardly anything... :)

but, the Serbs in general, have proven several times in history that they do not bend, the never give up. that´s your nightmare, actually, because we won´t let you go. not with our territory.

in the next time you will have the opportunity to get used to self-rule ( as far as you are capable of doing that without killing each other - just take a look at the snake´s problem in the last few days )
and then you will have to accept what international law is telling you.

otherwise you will be isolated. and those states which "recognized" you, cannot breach the law eternally...

so, it´s only a question of time.

and we won´t let you go, since it is not yours, and...by the way, despite all those illyrian-myths NEVER was yours!

Jovan

You don’t bend so easy, what history book are you reading. You bend in Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Kosovo.

That is a lot of bending my friend more than a Chinese gymnast.

And as for Albanians in Swiss and Germany don’t worry about them they are not going any where.

I live in France but have American Citizenship no one asks me to go any place, and all Serbs have this fantasy that we are working as cleaners but to contrary.

@Peace:

Dear Peace,

I believe that you work as a highly paid executive in the USA but I still wonder why you have not learnt Grammar and spelling yet?
This applies to a large majority of your compatriots who post at B92.

Also, I do not understand why Albanians need a second state in the Balkans. After all, the only thing Albania ever achieved was to build more bunkers per capita than any other country in the world. I doubt Europe needs bunkers.

With love and respect.