"Kosovo recognition not condition for EU entry"

�Had Kosovo been recognized as the seventh republic of the SFRJ, Yugoslavia wouldn�t have been a federation, but would have survived as a confederation and would definitely already have been an EU member, would have its own commissioner and 35 MEPs; Slovenian wouldn�t be an official language of the EU, rather Serbo-Croat, and Kosovo would have received the greatest possible help from the EU. As it is, only Slovenia is in the EU,� lamented the EP rapporteur.

Boy, this 'rapporteur' (which is a note taker, or glorified secretary) has quite the imagination. That scenario is even rich for Disneyland! Everyone knows that this was not Germany's plan, which is why they quickly recognized Croatia and Slovenia even though it was Ustase diaspora funding and spearheading the drive for independence, even though Serbs had no rights in Croatia (the evidence now shows that Croatia has absolutely every intention to expel all minorities). Divide and conquer was the plan from the start, and it worked. However, Serbia is still the main economic engine in the balkans and they would like to divide it further. This is where Russia stepped in and completely screwed up the colonists plans! Now Mr. Kacin, please tell your masters that they will not be able to abuse Serbia any longer. We now have strong friends, very strong friends, around the world, and are getting stronger every day. The sooner they realize this and start to right some of their many wrongs, we just may have peace in the region.

Cheers!
PS...Go Nole, Ana, Jelena, Nenad, Dusan!! Allez allez!!

Dear all,

Mr. Kacin speech is pretty direct, (less diplomatic, as Balkan citizens are fed up political/deceitful statements),concise and to the point - a language structure that Balkan region clearly likes to hear and fully understands.

Slovenia, and the rest of the EU must be proud of you. You have made it clear to muppets that EP has recognises independence of Kosovo.

Muppets may need you, again to occasionally remind the objective truth that independence of Kosovo is real, EP recognised its existence and flag, EULEX deloyment is imminent. You bombarded and succesfully destroyed all Serbian unrealitic hopes about Kosovo, along with packs of lies, and dirty tricks.

Well DONE. You are a BOLD person.

Why is this person talking about hypothetical situations of the past. It is completely pointless. One could argue that only if Yugoslavia had transported all of the Albanians to Slovenia back then, they would be in the EU now and a war would have been avoided.

Anyway, this guy talks about a whole province of Serbia somehow being detached and given the the Albanians but Slovenia can't even agree to give Croatia back a tiny piece of disputed land.

Now Serbia will never recognise Kosovo and that may not be a condition for EU entry but if Serbia were ever to join without Kosovo being an intergral part, it would amount giving it up.

How can it join a club where most of its members do not recognise Serbia's legal borders? This is such an obvious trap that we should steer well clear of it.

The EU needs Serbia way more that Serbia needs it.

Luigi, let me clear that up. The EU needs Serbia to make it's attempted theft of Kosovo successful. However, without Serbia in the EU, it can never be legitimate so the plan is to achieve Kosovo independence within the EU as it could not be done at the UN.

So to save it's face and to implement its plan, the EU needs Serbia more than Serbia needs it. I am not referring to the economic situation here but merely its plans for Kosovo.

“Individuals in Serbia are thinking that up as a condition."

- really Kacin (another of the "friends of Serbia" no doubt) how do you then square that up with the open and direct message againt Serbia's Sovereignity and territorial integrity when you then follow up with the attck against it with;

“Had Kosovo been recognized as the seventh republic of the SFRJ"

- its very clear that you attacked Serbia's sovereign territory as a republic in SFRJ just as you do today!

Why didn't Slovenia accept more labour movement into Slovenia to ease develpmentary pressures as should have been the case within SFRJ instead of blocking labour movement? Then Slovenia could have dealt with creating a 7th republic out of its territory - guess they understood the dangers then but prefered to ofer real help?

- Oh what a tangled web and how easily Kacin's deceit is found!

Watch the anti EU crowd scramble around to justify their position.

Kind of funny.

miri "It is very interesting to see that Europe believes that Kosova should have been a republic to being with"

Do you mean Europe the continent or the EU? - they are not the same. Even if you mean the EU Jelko Kacin is only the European Parliament (EP) Rapporteur for Serbia. Not someone who decides EU policy, but a person appointed by the EU parliament to "look at" Serbia and report back. His opinion that Kosovo should have been a republic within Yugoslavia is very much his own opinion.

"The guys here, mostly from UK, think that Russia and China will solve Serbia's problems. Guess what, they are simply way too far and have way too many problems to be bothered with Kostunica's and Jeremic's whining."

Though I doubt your assertion that "the guys here from the UK think Russia and China Russia will solve Serbia's problems..." is true, what is true is that Russia is much nearer to Serbia than the US is.

ZK said:
"One could argue that only if Yugoslavia had transported all of the Albanians to Slovenia back then, they would be in the EU now and a war would have been avoided."

It is very interesting to see Serbs today still think in terms of ethnically cleansing Albanians out of Kosova. Even though they were bombed for months because they ethnically cleansed 1 million Albanians. Some people never learn. They call it Transportation of all Albanians to another place out of Kosova, Labor Movement of all Albanians to another place away from Kosova, all kinds of names to mask the ultimate goal; that is to cleanse Kosova from Albanians.

Johhny frankly the onus is on the reality of a situation not of what somebody says in a certain fictional situation.

The reality in Kosovo is that years after conflict ended Serbs and other minorities remain ethnically cleansed.

I don't deny your right to talk about ethnic cleansing or Albanian suffering, but I have a right to say to you, that if you truly are against ethnic cleansing you should also support the rights of Serbs in Kosovo.

It was about the time that someone spills out the guts on what is really perceived in EU's back doors. It cannot be made clearer that if Serbia wants a future(a European one as opposed to alternative) it has to cooperate with EU and stop wasting its energy on this bottomless dark hole of nationalism that has haunted this nation for centuries.
It is very interesting to see that Europe believes that Kosova should have been a republic to being with, something that is really impressive and clearly shows how far the democratic European values have come along. Kacin statement also hints that EU is really sick and tired with Serbian politicians that haven't moved
an inch from the old policies of the nineties.

The guys here, mostly from UK, think that Russia and China will solve Serbia's problems. Guess what, they are simply way too far and have way too many problems to be bothered with Kostunica's and Jeremic's whining. At the end of the day the most they can provide to their Serbian "brothers" is an empty supportive statement while EU, the neighbor, will have direct impact on what really happens in the region.

There was some interesting theorising from Kacin about the break-up of Yugoslavia.

Had Yugoslavia continued as a Confederation rather than a Federation then it would have required a post-communist constitution. Around 1990 some of the individiual republics replaced their communist era constitutions. To get all six repulics to agree on a new federal consitution was/would've been surely the impossible. The fact that Slovenia, knowing it had no major minorities unlike the other republics, a more dynamic economy and being located next to Italy, made independence the easy option for them. It was how they went about it that caused Croatia, BiH and Macedonia to leave too. Trying to blame it all on Serbia for not allowing Kosovo to become a 7th republic is clutching at straws really. Kosovo would have simply had a referendum a few years afterwards and declared independence like Montenegro did two years ago.

The fact that Czech Republic and Slovakia split in 1993 tends to suggest that a confederal Yugoslavia would have not lasted long.

PJD: "His opinion that Kosovo should have been a republic within Yugoslavia is very much his own opinion. "

I don't think so! For those who have eyes to read and ears to listen this is a mature statement that has been developed for the past decade within Europe's academic and political circles( well EU is most of Europe so here is your clarification) thanks to the deeds of Serbia. What Kacin's statement implies is that the current conflict is based on an even older and unjust mismanagement of Kosova by Serbia let alone the war of a decade ago. In other words he completely justifies the KLA efforts to set K-Albanians free, after a decade of peaceful resistance.

"...is true, what is true is that Russia is much nearer to Serbia than the US is"

Although I carefully did not mention US but only EU (or Europe for that matter) you still had to twist the meaning of the statement. Well, anyway good luck with Russia! I am sure you and the others leaving in the West are closer to Russia.

"bottomless dark hole of nationalism"
(miri, 4 June 2008 15:55)

Justified or not: these words usually are spoken about not the entire Serbia, just about ca. 12% of it's territory. I think, justified. :(

"Well, anyway good luck with Russia! I am sure you and the others leaving in the West are closer to Russia."
(miri, 4 June 2008 19:57)

Russia is part of Western culture. I know, people are being brainwashed to believe the opposite. Just travel there and learn the language. Moscow is certainly a place with crazy temper and crazy tempo, not unlike NYC. SPB is more "Western", the back-country is pretty provincial but can be enjoyed if you are tired of craze and the rat-race of Moscow.


Regarding the comment that SFRJ would not break up if Kosovo would be recognized as seventh republic: completely wrong. The break-up of SFRJ was done with a huge help from outside, it's less an insider job and Albanians have little to do with it.

So Kacin has joined the ranks of the many EU deceivers that have graced the pages of B92 news reports! Is anyone surprised? Of course not. We Serbs are treated like the naive American Indians who allegedly sold Manhattan Island to the white man for a handful of pieces of shiny glass.

Here comes a surprise for you Mr. Kacin: some of us Serbs actually know how to read!

The EU Progress Report on Turkish ascension dated November 9, 2005 states:
"On 29 July 2005, Turkey signed the Additional Protocol adapting the EC Turkey Association Agreement to the accession of 10 new countries on 1 May 2004. At the same time, Turkey issued a declaration stating that signature of the Additional Protocol did not amount to recognition of the Republic of Cyprus. On 21 September, the EU adopted a counter-declaration indicating that Turkey’s declaration was unilateral, did not form part of the Protocol and had no legal effect on Turkey’s obligations under the Protocol. The EU declaration stressed that recognition of all Member States was a necessary component of the accession process."

Simply said, if the EU includes Kosovo at the time when Serbia is to join (whenever that might be...) Serbia will be required to recognize Kosovo.

I'd recommend not wasting too much time commenting about such a silly bald-faced deceiver (to avoid using the word liar) as Kacin, when we have so many EUrophile Serbian deceivers to counteract already!

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch
Washington, DC
john.b@imcnews.com

@Zk uk
Dear Sir , i always read your comment with attention..
Anyway i would like to tell you one thing that here in the peninsula is quite clear...

EU doesn't need Serbia and Serbia doesn't need Eu.

With respect

“Had Kosovo been recognized as the seventh republic of the SFRJ, Yugoslavia wouldn’t have been a federation, but would have survived as a confederation and would definitely already have been an EU member, would have its own commissioner and 35 MEPs; Slovenian wouldn’t be an official language of the EU, rather Serbo-Croat, and Kosovo would have received the greatest possible help from the EU. As it is, only Slovenia is in the EU,”

My dear Serbs: how do you explain teh fact that ALL NON-SERB nations of ex Yugo think teh same???

johny, you obviously missed the point. Detaching Kosovo or transporting the Albanians back then are both absolutely ridiculous hypothesis. It is something that didn't happen so why dwell on the past?

Miri, first of all Kacin doesn't at all mention the KLA so you are clutching at straws by trying to link his statement to justify the actions of the KLA. A leap into a logical abyss if you like.

I am sure if you asked Kacin whether he prefers Slovenia to be independent as it is or be part of a Yugoslav confederation I somehow doubt he would opt for the latter.

On the otherhand if your think Kacin's statement that Kosovo should have been the 7th republic within Yugoslavia is now EU mainstream opinion can you name any other EU officials who have made a similar statement? At the time the EU made no real effort to ensure the continuation of Yugoslavia and one certain member state wanted it split up.

All I was sayinig is that you shouldn't under-estimate a country's ability to attempt to solve other countries' problems. Distance is not usually a factor - note the US interventions in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

Dear all,

Mr. Kacin speech is pretty direct, (less diplomatic, as Balkan citizens are fed up political/deceitful statements),concise and to the point - a language structure that Balkan region clearly likes to hear and fully understands.

Slovenia, and the rest of the EU must be proud of you. You have made it clear to muppets that EP has recognises independence of Kosovo.

Muppets may need you, again to occasionally remind the objective truth that independence of Kosovo is real, EP recognised its existence and flag, EULEX deloyment is imminent. You bombarded and succesfully destroyed all Serbian unrealitic hopes about Kosovo, along with packs of lies, and dirty tricks.

Well DONE. You are a BOLD person.

It was about the time that someone spills out the guts on what is really perceived in EU's back doors. It cannot be made clearer that if Serbia wants a future(a European one as opposed to alternative) it has to cooperate with EU and stop wasting its energy on this bottomless dark hole of nationalism that has haunted this nation for centuries.
It is very interesting to see that Europe believes that Kosova should have been a republic to being with, something that is really impressive and clearly shows how far the democratic European values have come along. Kacin statement also hints that EU is really sick and tired with Serbian politicians that haven't moved
an inch from the old policies of the nineties.

The guys here, mostly from UK, think that Russia and China will solve Serbia's problems. Guess what, they are simply way too far and have way too many problems to be bothered with Kostunica's and Jeremic's whining. At the end of the day the most they can provide to their Serbian "brothers" is an empty supportive statement while EU, the neighbor, will have direct impact on what really happens in the region.

PJD: "His opinion that Kosovo should have been a republic within Yugoslavia is very much his own opinion. "

I don't think so! For those who have eyes to read and ears to listen this is a mature statement that has been developed for the past decade within Europe's academic and political circles( well EU is most of Europe so here is your clarification) thanks to the deeds of Serbia. What Kacin's statement implies is that the current conflict is based on an even older and unjust mismanagement of Kosova by Serbia let alone the war of a decade ago. In other words he completely justifies the KLA efforts to set K-Albanians free, after a decade of peaceful resistance.

"...is true, what is true is that Russia is much nearer to Serbia than the US is"

Although I carefully did not mention US but only EU (or Europe for that matter) you still had to twist the meaning of the statement. Well, anyway good luck with Russia! I am sure you and the others leaving in the West are closer to Russia.

“Individuals in Serbia are thinking that up as a condition."

- really Kacin (another of the "friends of Serbia" no doubt) how do you then square that up with the open and direct message againt Serbia's Sovereignity and territorial integrity when you then follow up with the attck against it with;

“Had Kosovo been recognized as the seventh republic of the SFRJ"

- its very clear that you attacked Serbia's sovereign territory as a republic in SFRJ just as you do today!

Why didn't Slovenia accept more labour movement into Slovenia to ease develpmentary pressures as should have been the case within SFRJ instead of blocking labour movement? Then Slovenia could have dealt with creating a 7th republic out of its territory - guess they understood the dangers then but prefered to ofer real help?

- Oh what a tangled web and how easily Kacin's deceit is found!

ZK said:
"One could argue that only if Yugoslavia had transported all of the Albanians to Slovenia back then, they would be in the EU now and a war would have been avoided."

It is very interesting to see Serbs today still think in terms of ethnically cleansing Albanians out of Kosova. Even though they were bombed for months because they ethnically cleansed 1 million Albanians. Some people never learn. They call it Transportation of all Albanians to another place out of Kosova, Labor Movement of all Albanians to another place away from Kosova, all kinds of names to mask the ultimate goal; that is to cleanse Kosova from Albanians.

“Had Kosovo been recognized as the seventh republic of the SFRJ, Yugoslavia wouldn’t have been a federation, but would have survived as a confederation and would definitely already have been an EU member, would have its own commissioner and 35 MEPs; Slovenian wouldn’t be an official language of the EU, rather Serbo-Croat, and Kosovo would have received the greatest possible help from the EU. As it is, only Slovenia is in the EU,”

My dear Serbs: how do you explain teh fact that ALL NON-SERB nations of ex Yugo think teh same???

Why is this person talking about hypothetical situations of the past. It is completely pointless. One could argue that only if Yugoslavia had transported all of the Albanians to Slovenia back then, they would be in the EU now and a war would have been avoided.

Anyway, this guy talks about a whole province of Serbia somehow being detached and given the the Albanians but Slovenia can't even agree to give Croatia back a tiny piece of disputed land.

Now Serbia will never recognise Kosovo and that may not be a condition for EU entry but if Serbia were ever to join without Kosovo being an intergral part, it would amount giving it up.

How can it join a club where most of its members do not recognise Serbia's legal borders? This is such an obvious trap that we should steer well clear of it.

The EU needs Serbia way more that Serbia needs it.

Johhny frankly the onus is on the reality of a situation not of what somebody says in a certain fictional situation.

The reality in Kosovo is that years after conflict ended Serbs and other minorities remain ethnically cleansed.

I don't deny your right to talk about ethnic cleansing or Albanian suffering, but I have a right to say to you, that if you truly are against ethnic cleansing you should also support the rights of Serbs in Kosovo.

�Had Kosovo been recognized as the seventh republic of the SFRJ, Yugoslavia wouldn�t have been a federation, but would have survived as a confederation and would definitely already have been an EU member, would have its own commissioner and 35 MEPs; Slovenian wouldn�t be an official language of the EU, rather Serbo-Croat, and Kosovo would have received the greatest possible help from the EU. As it is, only Slovenia is in the EU,� lamented the EP rapporteur.

Boy, this 'rapporteur' (which is a note taker, or glorified secretary) has quite the imagination. That scenario is even rich for Disneyland! Everyone knows that this was not Germany's plan, which is why they quickly recognized Croatia and Slovenia even though it was Ustase diaspora funding and spearheading the drive for independence, even though Serbs had no rights in Croatia (the evidence now shows that Croatia has absolutely every intention to expel all minorities). Divide and conquer was the plan from the start, and it worked. However, Serbia is still the main economic engine in the balkans and they would like to divide it further. This is where Russia stepped in and completely screwed up the colonists plans! Now Mr. Kacin, please tell your masters that they will not be able to abuse Serbia any longer. We now have strong friends, very strong friends, around the world, and are getting stronger every day. The sooner they realize this and start to right some of their many wrongs, we just may have peace in the region.

Cheers!
PS...Go Nole, Ana, Jelena, Nenad, Dusan!! Allez allez!!

@Zk uk
Dear Sir , i always read your comment with attention..
Anyway i would like to tell you one thing that here in the peninsula is quite clear...

EU doesn't need Serbia and Serbia doesn't need Eu.

With respect

There was some interesting theorising from Kacin about the break-up of Yugoslavia.

Had Yugoslavia continued as a Confederation rather than a Federation then it would have required a post-communist constitution. Around 1990 some of the individiual republics replaced their communist era constitutions. To get all six repulics to agree on a new federal consitution was/would've been surely the impossible. The fact that Slovenia, knowing it had no major minorities unlike the other republics, a more dynamic economy and being located next to Italy, made independence the easy option for them. It was how they went about it that caused Croatia, BiH and Macedonia to leave too. Trying to blame it all on Serbia for not allowing Kosovo to become a 7th republic is clutching at straws really. Kosovo would have simply had a referendum a few years afterwards and declared independence like Montenegro did two years ago.

The fact that Czech Republic and Slovakia split in 1993 tends to suggest that a confederal Yugoslavia would have not lasted long.

Watch the anti EU crowd scramble around to justify their position.

Kind of funny.

Luigi, let me clear that up. The EU needs Serbia to make it's attempted theft of Kosovo successful. However, without Serbia in the EU, it can never be legitimate so the plan is to achieve Kosovo independence within the EU as it could not be done at the UN.

So to save it's face and to implement its plan, the EU needs Serbia more than Serbia needs it. I am not referring to the economic situation here but merely its plans for Kosovo.

miri "It is very interesting to see that Europe believes that Kosova should have been a republic to being with"

Do you mean Europe the continent or the EU? - they are not the same. Even if you mean the EU Jelko Kacin is only the European Parliament (EP) Rapporteur for Serbia. Not someone who decides EU policy, but a person appointed by the EU parliament to "look at" Serbia and report back. His opinion that Kosovo should have been a republic within Yugoslavia is very much his own opinion.

"The guys here, mostly from UK, think that Russia and China will solve Serbia's problems. Guess what, they are simply way too far and have way too many problems to be bothered with Kostunica's and Jeremic's whining."

Though I doubt your assertion that "the guys here from the UK think Russia and China Russia will solve Serbia's problems..." is true, what is true is that Russia is much nearer to Serbia than the US is.

johny, you obviously missed the point. Detaching Kosovo or transporting the Albanians back then are both absolutely ridiculous hypothesis. It is something that didn't happen so why dwell on the past?

Miri, first of all Kacin doesn't at all mention the KLA so you are clutching at straws by trying to link his statement to justify the actions of the KLA. A leap into a logical abyss if you like.

I am sure if you asked Kacin whether he prefers Slovenia to be independent as it is or be part of a Yugoslav confederation I somehow doubt he would opt for the latter.

On the otherhand if your think Kacin's statement that Kosovo should have been the 7th republic within Yugoslavia is now EU mainstream opinion can you name any other EU officials who have made a similar statement? At the time the EU made no real effort to ensure the continuation of Yugoslavia and one certain member state wanted it split up.

All I was sayinig is that you shouldn't under-estimate a country's ability to attempt to solve other countries' problems. Distance is not usually a factor - note the US interventions in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

"bottomless dark hole of nationalism"
(miri, 4 June 2008 15:55)

Justified or not: these words usually are spoken about not the entire Serbia, just about ca. 12% of it's territory. I think, justified. :(

"Well, anyway good luck with Russia! I am sure you and the others leaving in the West are closer to Russia."
(miri, 4 June 2008 19:57)

Russia is part of Western culture. I know, people are being brainwashed to believe the opposite. Just travel there and learn the language. Moscow is certainly a place with crazy temper and crazy tempo, not unlike NYC. SPB is more "Western", the back-country is pretty provincial but can be enjoyed if you are tired of craze and the rat-race of Moscow.


Regarding the comment that SFRJ would not break up if Kosovo would be recognized as seventh republic: completely wrong. The break-up of SFRJ was done with a huge help from outside, it's less an insider job and Albanians have little to do with it.

So Kacin has joined the ranks of the many EU deceivers that have graced the pages of B92 news reports! Is anyone surprised? Of course not. We Serbs are treated like the naive American Indians who allegedly sold Manhattan Island to the white man for a handful of pieces of shiny glass.

Here comes a surprise for you Mr. Kacin: some of us Serbs actually know how to read!

The EU Progress Report on Turkish ascension dated November 9, 2005 states:
"On 29 July 2005, Turkey signed the Additional Protocol adapting the EC Turkey Association Agreement to the accession of 10 new countries on 1 May 2004. At the same time, Turkey issued a declaration stating that signature of the Additional Protocol did not amount to recognition of the Republic of Cyprus. On 21 September, the EU adopted a counter-declaration indicating that Turkey’s declaration was unilateral, did not form part of the Protocol and had no legal effect on Turkey’s obligations under the Protocol. The EU declaration stressed that recognition of all Member States was a necessary component of the accession process."

Simply said, if the EU includes Kosovo at the time when Serbia is to join (whenever that might be...) Serbia will be required to recognize Kosovo.

I'd recommend not wasting too much time commenting about such a silly bald-faced deceiver (to avoid using the word liar) as Kacin, when we have so many EUrophile Serbian deceivers to counteract already!

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch
Washington, DC
john.b@imcnews.com