U.S. ambassador: Serbia should move toward EU

Dear Ambassador Cameron Munter Please don’t misled the Serb people we know what you did in Kosovo. The truth is the US will never win coz a greater number of nations still believed in the UN and international law.

I am constantly amused at the contortions this US ambassador is willing to adopt just to further his countries agenda in the balkans. Guess he consoles himself with the thought that the ends justify the means.

Only trouble is these 'ends' are those of the people driving US foreign policy, who as far as I can see, haven't got a clue - as witness Iraq, Afghanistan et al.

And while laughing at the likes of Munter is the best way of dealing with his type, the shambles the US is making of its foreign misadventures is no joke.

So let's hope that with the change in their government, there will also be a change of direction.

I believe that His Excellency should be declared Persona non grata as soon as the new government is formed.

You "helped" us more then enough, thank you very much. We'll remember your "help" well, rest assured. I hope one day we get a chance to pay you back accordingly.

As of economic cooperation, well, I wish you a luck - http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

We should orient our economy much more to our real friends:

http://en.rian.ru/business/20080527/108537555.html
http://www.rbcnews.com/free/20080515112137.shtml
http://www.interfax.com/3/395258/news.aspx

I have to wonder exactly what "cooperate economically" means. I think the ambassador is just trying to coerce Serbia toward Europe and away from Russia. Just because you are not a member of the EU will not isolate you. Look at Switzerland. Serbia is not a member of the EU now but there is a steel plant in Smederov owned by US Steel. If there are opportunities to make money foreign businesses will invest whether or not a country is a member of the EU or European leaning. An example of this is China. That country is as far from pro-European as any yet the US companies have huge and I mean huge investments there. As for direct aid from the US government...I don't believe that will happen.

Serbia should say NO to EU until the occupying EU/NATO leaves Kosovo. Serbia should go EAST

Referring to a SRS/DSS government His Excellency said:

"I wonder, can we achieve all these things we believe the people of Serbia deserve with this government,"

Ironically, The US thinks the Serbian people deserve puppet governments, and that is exactly what the SRS and the DSS/NS will not allow.

Does Serbia need this Europe? Should Serbia accept Kosovo partition as on of new integration conditions? If Serbia chooses independent path does that mean Europe will put sanctions on it? Europe need more Serbia then Serbia Europe. All these forces that work hard to destruct Yugolavia are even working harder to direct Serbian people what path to choose. Austria,, Germany, vatican(lowercase), US and Britan will never alow Serbs to be free. They are expelled from Croatia, in Slovenia they must accept new identity. Bosnian Serbs will never be alloved to be independent for to join Serbia. Serbs in Montenegro are second class citizents.
Sers should join Rusia who bleed for them in WW1. This is Serbia's bright future. Serbs don't forgot your fathers fights for freedom and be bought with one plazma TV. Be brave and make your children proud of you, for decisions you are making today.

Stevan, 1 June 2008 14:35

Hi Stevan ! I know you are a real friend and besides cooperation with Russia puts no restrictions on Serbia. You may go on negotiating over EU integration but with such a strategic partner behind Serbia can gain much better terms. Besides many Russians would like to invest to a country where they feel so comfortable. Russia can invest as much as your economy may swallow and it means that you may have the same FIAT production at Zastava but the plant may not belong to the Italians.

I believe today there's only one brake stopping such a cooperation. And it is the lack of a goverment in Serbia. If the negotiations of the patriots are successful the things may change drastically in the favour of Serbia.

Good Luck !

"and worry about your own debt...US has a great foundation for the economy, unlike Russia that is just selling raw materials"

Actually Serbia's debt as a percentage of GDP is about the same as the US's. But Russia has a lot lower debt than either. Also Russia's reserves and current account balance are in much better shape than the US.

"and worry about your own debt...US has a great foundation for the economy, unlike Russia that is just selling raw materials
(Al, 1 June 2008 17:07) "

Yes, you are right. We should all give morgages to people who cannot afford them and then precipitate a global credit squeeze.

The global credit crisis has done wonders for the reputation of US and UK financial markets, regulators and banks. It is truely the pinnacle of financial perfection.

This is very much the kind of expertize that the rest of the world should aspire to and adopt from the United States.


As for Munter. He's talking out of his hat. How is it every time the US gets involved in other peoples politics, they seem to (almost) start a war.

Iraq.

Lebanon.

etc.

(Stevan, 2 June 2008 03:44

But of course Stevan.
Poor Serbia just got dragged into all of the bad things.
Stevan, look for the cause of the war and you will find the guilty party.
Stevan do not forget that the repressed nation will sooner or later “start a war”, a liberation war.
I am not going to elaborate now who started the Balkan and WWI wars (I leave that to historians as it was long before my time) but I will definitely remove the last 4 wars from your list.
We know (and you know) that it was Serbia that was guilty for those wars.
You know Stevan, this kind of attitude makes victim families angry.
This kind of attitude stops us from forgetting.
Serbia should apologise for the things that were done in the name of the nation.
Only then can we forget and look at each other straight in the eyes.
It is time to move forward.
Do not look at the wars as who won and who lost them.
Look at what was achieved by it.
It is the freedom of the nation that the results of the war should be measured on.
It is the victims that should be remembered and honoured.
It is the lessons that should be learned so the next war does not happen.

Stevan, the ball is in Serbian side. You (Serbia) can remain oblivious to the reality if you wish; it does not matter anymore to us.

>> Just because you are not a member of the EU will not isolate you. Look at Switzerland.

Do you know Serbia's reputation in the world??

>> Actually Serbia's debt as a percentage of GDP is about the same as the US's. But Russia has a lot lower debt than either. Also Russia's reserves and current account balance are in much better shape than the US.

You missed my point: Serbia needs a LOT more investments which will increase the debt (making any war impossible eve if they want to) whereas the US is fully industrialized. Russia and China as well have to worry about the low income people and what ill happen if oil goes down (for Russia.) My point was that US has a proven system, Russia depends on oil /mineral prices and China has some 1 billion people near poverty.

>> How is it every time the US gets involved in other peoples politics, they seem to (almost) start a war.

who started the
two Balkan wars
WWI (which lead to WWII)
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia
Kosova

At least US is a superpower and (sort of) wins them, Serbia loses them all when they're alone. Faced with an army Serbs collapse and then cry victim.

to blero:

"do not forget that the repressed nation will sooner or later “start a war”, a liberation war."

Blero, so following you, would you support the liberation war in Crimea where Russian population is heavily repressed by the Ukrainian invaders already for 17 years?

As for Serbia, I'm fully behind the radicals-DSS-NS and socialists coalition. Yankee - go home! Go home and don't forget to take with you the Ukrainian and free the traditionally Russian lands of Crimea, Novorossya, Slobozhanshina and Malorossiya.

>> I hope one day we get a chance to pay you back accordingly.


There you go picking a fight with US that dropped Hitler /Japan and USSR dead, much stronger than the Roman empire ever was.

and worry about your own debt...US has a great foundation for the economy, unlike Russia that is just selling raw materials

Al,

"… who started …"

the two Balkan wars -

First Balkan war was started by Montenegro, that was member of Balkan League, together with Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia. Turks were finally defeated on Balkan.

Second Balkan war was started by Bulgaria. Serbia and Greece won.

WWI - was started by Austro Hungarian Empire. Serbia crushed their Army. Later on Serb Army after very hard fighting against much bigger German Army, unable to stop them but refusing to surrender, temporary left Serbia and went to Greece. After recovery they liberated Serbia from German occupation, won in the war and created Yugoslavia.

Slovenia - Started by Slovenian irregular militias who attacked JNA solders on their posts on Yugoslav border.

Croatia - Started by Croat extremists who terrorized ethnic Serbs in Croatia and attacked JNA barracks.

Bosnia - Started by Muslim extremists by attack on Serb civilians.
Kosovo i Metohija - Started by terrorist actions of Albanian extremists organization UCK.

What was your point?

I repeat People in EU don't want Serbs..
Eu doesn't need a poor country like Serbia...
Please go East and ask money to Russia till now we have heard only words and no money have come...

>> I hope one day we get a chance to pay you back accordingly.


There you go picking a fight with US that dropped Hitler /Japan and USSR dead, much stronger than the Roman empire ever was.

and worry about your own debt...US has a great foundation for the economy, unlike Russia that is just selling raw materials

>> Just because you are not a member of the EU will not isolate you. Look at Switzerland.

Do you know Serbia's reputation in the world??

>> Actually Serbia's debt as a percentage of GDP is about the same as the US's. But Russia has a lot lower debt than either. Also Russia's reserves and current account balance are in much better shape than the US.

You missed my point: Serbia needs a LOT more investments which will increase the debt (making any war impossible eve if they want to) whereas the US is fully industrialized. Russia and China as well have to worry about the low income people and what ill happen if oil goes down (for Russia.) My point was that US has a proven system, Russia depends on oil /mineral prices and China has some 1 billion people near poverty.

>> How is it every time the US gets involved in other peoples politics, they seem to (almost) start a war.

who started the
two Balkan wars
WWI (which lead to WWII)
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia
Kosova

At least US is a superpower and (sort of) wins them, Serbia loses them all when they're alone. Faced with an army Serbs collapse and then cry victim.

I repeat People in EU don't want Serbs..
Eu doesn't need a poor country like Serbia...
Please go East and ask money to Russia till now we have heard only words and no money have come...

(Stevan, 2 June 2008 03:44

But of course Stevan.
Poor Serbia just got dragged into all of the bad things.
Stevan, look for the cause of the war and you will find the guilty party.
Stevan do not forget that the repressed nation will sooner or later “start a war”, a liberation war.
I am not going to elaborate now who started the Balkan and WWI wars (I leave that to historians as it was long before my time) but I will definitely remove the last 4 wars from your list.
We know (and you know) that it was Serbia that was guilty for those wars.
You know Stevan, this kind of attitude makes victim families angry.
This kind of attitude stops us from forgetting.
Serbia should apologise for the things that were done in the name of the nation.
Only then can we forget and look at each other straight in the eyes.
It is time to move forward.
Do not look at the wars as who won and who lost them.
Look at what was achieved by it.
It is the freedom of the nation that the results of the war should be measured on.
It is the victims that should be remembered and honoured.
It is the lessons that should be learned so the next war does not happen.

Stevan, the ball is in Serbian side. You (Serbia) can remain oblivious to the reality if you wish; it does not matter anymore to us.

Al,

"… who started …"

the two Balkan wars -

First Balkan war was started by Montenegro, that was member of Balkan League, together with Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia. Turks were finally defeated on Balkan.

Second Balkan war was started by Bulgaria. Serbia and Greece won.

WWI - was started by Austro Hungarian Empire. Serbia crushed their Army. Later on Serb Army after very hard fighting against much bigger German Army, unable to stop them but refusing to surrender, temporary left Serbia and went to Greece. After recovery they liberated Serbia from German occupation, won in the war and created Yugoslavia.

Slovenia - Started by Slovenian irregular militias who attacked JNA solders on their posts on Yugoslav border.

Croatia - Started by Croat extremists who terrorized ethnic Serbs in Croatia and attacked JNA barracks.

Bosnia - Started by Muslim extremists by attack on Serb civilians.
Kosovo i Metohija - Started by terrorist actions of Albanian extremists organization UCK.

What was your point?

I am constantly amused at the contortions this US ambassador is willing to adopt just to further his countries agenda in the balkans. Guess he consoles himself with the thought that the ends justify the means.

Only trouble is these 'ends' are those of the people driving US foreign policy, who as far as I can see, haven't got a clue - as witness Iraq, Afghanistan et al.

And while laughing at the likes of Munter is the best way of dealing with his type, the shambles the US is making of its foreign misadventures is no joke.

So let's hope that with the change in their government, there will also be a change of direction.

Dear Ambassador Cameron Munter Please don’t misled the Serb people we know what you did in Kosovo. The truth is the US will never win coz a greater number of nations still believed in the UN and international law.

You "helped" us more then enough, thank you very much. We'll remember your "help" well, rest assured. I hope one day we get a chance to pay you back accordingly.

As of economic cooperation, well, I wish you a luck - http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

We should orient our economy much more to our real friends:

http://en.rian.ru/business/20080527/108537555.html
http://www.rbcnews.com/free/20080515112137.shtml
http://www.interfax.com/3/395258/news.aspx

I believe that His Excellency should be declared Persona non grata as soon as the new government is formed.

I have to wonder exactly what "cooperate economically" means. I think the ambassador is just trying to coerce Serbia toward Europe and away from Russia. Just because you are not a member of the EU will not isolate you. Look at Switzerland. Serbia is not a member of the EU now but there is a steel plant in Smederov owned by US Steel. If there are opportunities to make money foreign businesses will invest whether or not a country is a member of the EU or European leaning. An example of this is China. That country is as far from pro-European as any yet the US companies have huge and I mean huge investments there. As for direct aid from the US government...I don't believe that will happen.

Stevan, 1 June 2008 14:35

Hi Stevan ! I know you are a real friend and besides cooperation with Russia puts no restrictions on Serbia. You may go on negotiating over EU integration but with such a strategic partner behind Serbia can gain much better terms. Besides many Russians would like to invest to a country where they feel so comfortable. Russia can invest as much as your economy may swallow and it means that you may have the same FIAT production at Zastava but the plant may not belong to the Italians.

I believe today there's only one brake stopping such a cooperation. And it is the lack of a goverment in Serbia. If the negotiations of the patriots are successful the things may change drastically in the favour of Serbia.

Good Luck !

Referring to a SRS/DSS government His Excellency said:

"I wonder, can we achieve all these things we believe the people of Serbia deserve with this government,"

Ironically, The US thinks the Serbian people deserve puppet governments, and that is exactly what the SRS and the DSS/NS will not allow.

Serbia should say NO to EU until the occupying EU/NATO leaves Kosovo. Serbia should go EAST

Does Serbia need this Europe? Should Serbia accept Kosovo partition as on of new integration conditions? If Serbia chooses independent path does that mean Europe will put sanctions on it? Europe need more Serbia then Serbia Europe. All these forces that work hard to destruct Yugolavia are even working harder to direct Serbian people what path to choose. Austria,, Germany, vatican(lowercase), US and Britan will never alow Serbs to be free. They are expelled from Croatia, in Slovenia they must accept new identity. Bosnian Serbs will never be alloved to be independent for to join Serbia. Serbs in Montenegro are second class citizents.
Sers should join Rusia who bleed for them in WW1. This is Serbia's bright future. Serbs don't forgot your fathers fights for freedom and be bought with one plazma TV. Be brave and make your children proud of you, for decisions you are making today.

"and worry about your own debt...US has a great foundation for the economy, unlike Russia that is just selling raw materials"

Actually Serbia's debt as a percentage of GDP is about the same as the US's. But Russia has a lot lower debt than either. Also Russia's reserves and current account balance are in much better shape than the US.

"and worry about your own debt...US has a great foundation for the economy, unlike Russia that is just selling raw materials
(Al, 1 June 2008 17:07) "

Yes, you are right. We should all give morgages to people who cannot afford them and then precipitate a global credit squeeze.

The global credit crisis has done wonders for the reputation of US and UK financial markets, regulators and banks. It is truely the pinnacle of financial perfection.

This is very much the kind of expertize that the rest of the world should aspire to and adopt from the United States.


As for Munter. He's talking out of his hat. How is it every time the US gets involved in other peoples politics, they seem to (almost) start a war.

Iraq.

Lebanon.

etc.

to blero:

"do not forget that the repressed nation will sooner or later “start a war”, a liberation war."

Blero, so following you, would you support the liberation war in Crimea where Russian population is heavily repressed by the Ukrainian invaders already for 17 years?

As for Serbia, I'm fully behind the radicals-DSS-NS and socialists coalition. Yankee - go home! Go home and don't forget to take with you the Ukrainian and free the traditionally Russian lands of Crimea, Novorossya, Slobozhanshina and Malorossiya.