Jeremić takes Kosovo issue to S. America

Dear Mr. Jeremic,

GAME IS LONG TIME OVER!

You may take the Kosovo issue NOT only to S. America BUT also to the MOON or MARS and it wont help. The sooner you realise this the better for you and progress of Serbia.

Cheers

A state that is truely independent does not have to constantly repeat that fact. We don't get Montenegrans coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent".

Now that is the difference between true independence (one that was negotiated) and a pretend one. If the Albanians want to believe in independence, then that's fine but Serbia, backed by Russia, China, the UN and 150 other states would prefer to live in reality.

Adam,

It's not over yet and you know that. No UN recognition therefore its not a nation. Kosovo is still legally a province of Serbia.

Mr.Jeremic you can go to the moon if you like to. It wont help you or Serbia anything.

Kosovos is and will remain independent. It's the people of Kosovo who had made that decision and if the whole world decides to go against the kosovars it wont help. The only way you can keep Kosovo in Serbia is if the Kosovars is willing to do so. But they dont and it's over. Kosovo is independent.

KV, Serbia has been shrinking since the 90s? Where on earth did you get that nonsense?

Kosovo is occupied Serbian land and since the US could not deliver independence, making the Albanians believe it is - now that's good enough in their books.

Out of 35 American countries, 31 support Serbia's integrity. We certainly welcome that but since we have both Russia and China on board, that's all that really matters. It is blocked at the UN and that is the only thing irreversible here. Final, non-negotiable, finito, done deal, etc, etc, etc.... I hope that is clear.

Kosovo never left Serbia and that's what the Serbians know. There is nothing to reverse and it is just a waiting game now.

Haven't you noticed that all of this make believe is only being fed to the Albanians in Pristina by the occupiers? Nothing changes elsewhere and no one really cares.

Just remember, we are not getting the Montenegrans coming here pronouncing "Montenegro is independent" and for good reason.

Fantastic move.
Even though I think it would be better for Serbia to have someone older and more expereinced in diplomacy, I must applaud this move.
Actually, at times like this, the last thing America needs is another reason for people to resent them.
They have enough troubles with South America as it is, with Chavez and everything. And yet, talking about America as a global bully there is not going to help them, especially since it will reach a sympathetic ear.
Good job, Mr. Jeremic.

Anything is better than resignated : "Well, America has declared it independent. End of story"

America did that as part of their psychological war, they know very well, that it is best to win a war without fightint. They study Sun Tzu's The Art of War in all the military schools, and so should we.

This is our comeback in the war of words.

Oh good, maybe he can tell us the latest on those uncontacted people when he gets back.

Good job Mr Jeremic - keep it up. May or may not help but does not hurt any to have a go, despite what various people here have said in the past. And as others have pointed out.. if you are attracting flak from the K-albanians, then must be doing something right.

Adam:

Now try turning your argument around & just for a minute look at it from a serb perspective. Serbs are just as intransigent as K-albanians, & in the case of Kosovo, even more so.

And as long as that is the case, your dreams of a truly independent 'Kosova' are just that.

Dreams.

>> We don't get Montenegrans coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent".

well, do you say that Montenegro isn't independent every 4 seconds? By the way: The Churches almost started a war (Serbian vs MN orthodox) so it wasn't all peace and love.

Now that is the difference between true independence (one that was negotiated) and a pretend one. If the Albanians want to believe in independence, then that's fine but Serbia, backed by Russia, China, the UN and 150 other states would prefer to live in reality. (ZK UK, 1 June 2008 15:01

... do you really believe, by repeating this mantras day by day you can make others yours slaves of Serbian? Kosovo is independent, since UN Troika negotiations failed. process of recognisations is on the way, that's the reason, why Mr. Bonus Miles is in South America.

Serbia has nothing to lose with sending Vuk Jeremic to loby for it.In fact, he is doing a fairly good job indeed.
And you know, just because Albanians or even USA say that there is 'no chance' for an alternative options it doesn't mean that we shouldn't try.
In fact, and because of his efforts the alternative solution for Kosovo is becoming 'new reality on the ground'.
And it is not just because Serbs want it so. Most of the world feels very unconfortable
with the way Kosovo declared UI.
The bottom line is:It is not fair and it will not pass.

Wonder if it will be a meeting or dinner he will stage a walk out.

This is a very smart move, an excellent move. The OAS as a whole is going to be more than happy to do something to repudiate Washington and send a friendly message to Spain.

Poor Vuk.

Can you imagine how lonely he'll feel going to an Americas only conference? He'll be invisible there. Who's gonna listen to him? That area of the world has much, much more important things to take care of themselves.

But hey, seeing as though Vuk loves to spend Serb jetfuel and travel around the world, by all means enjoy your trip sir! Maybe you can meet that uncontacted Amazon tribe in Brazil and ask them for their support as well. Just be careful of their spears and arrows.

Kosovo's independence is non-negotiable, not-returnable, definite, and written in rock. Vuk can jump up and down while visiting Mars if he likes. It's over good sir, it was over on Feb 17th.

This is the same foreign minister that went around Europe with the same idea.

Alot of good that did ;).

Always the same ..the so-called pro-Eu Fm instead of going to the European capitals makes a trip in the world for the cause of Kosovo..Eu is more and more far away (2030) sincerly i must say that i'm glad the enlargement issue will finish with Croatia next year and will be the end of Serbia half population dreams ...
People in EU will be happy very few here want Serbia in EU..PLAIN AND SIMPLE

Zk uk,

Serbia has been getting smaller and smaller since the '90s. It's 'independence' and 'territorial integrity' comes into question with hundreds of thousands of peace keepers and troops in its' territory --- now for someone who keeps repeating himself like a crazy person, 150 countries recognize what? How is Serbia a "real" country when you have Russia and America than dictate your policies?

Have you guys noticed that almost anywhere the Serbs go, they recognize us shortly after. The Chzeck republic for example.

"We don't get Montenegrans coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent". "

We also don't get Germans coming here day in day out repeating "Bavaria is Germany"
So what's your point.
One thing the Serb know and heave known for a while is that Serbia is not gonna be under Serbia sovereignty for at least a 100 years. If you had smarter politicians you could have gained more than what Serbs in Kosova have now, instead you have "patriotic" politicians. As more time passes by, because of your "patriotic" politicians the Serbs in Kosova are going to have less and less say in what or who makes decisions for them.

Dear B92,

Firstly, I thank you for being 70%unbiased (this is what I personally consider) towards non-Serb community in here.

I dont write often, even still, a number of comments dont/or after-alterations get published. Anyway, I dont mind.

I know that this site is very popular with Albanians in Kosovo (with about 80 people, from my own estimates, GOD knows how many are for real, and how many Albanians from abroad, read, check, comment on B92... etc)...

In order to make ZK UK, Peter, Sydney, and other in Serbian camp happy, PLEASE take away my recommenadtions, I would suggest the whole amount, as this will please the majority in Serbian camp.

Peace to all

Cheers

Al:
Appears you need correcting on a few points.


> There you go picking a fight with US that dropped Hitler /Japan and USSR dead, much stronger than the Roman empire ever was.

In point of fact it was the russians who were primarily responsible for the downfall of the third reich & not the US, whose role was mostly support until D-day. That's where the bulk of the wehrmacht was for most of the war - in Russia, fighting the russians, & being bled dry.

By 1944, the writing was already on the wall for the germans - was merely a matter of time.

Decision to invade Russia in 1941 was certainly a turning point in the war, & even there, the germans almost pulled it off - got to the outskirts of Moscow come winter time. And if they'd taken Moscow, the rest of Russia would have fallen.

Might add that if germans had not wasted time taking out the balkans in the spring of 1941, may have had enough time to finish Russia - so by their very acts of resistance, serbs & greeks may have cost Germany the war. Speculation of course, but interesting to ponder.

As for the japanese, they actually came a lot closer to victory in the pacific than you appear to imply. Critical point there was carrier battle of Midway which could have gone either way. Yanks were outnumbered there but got lucky.

Things to remember here is that at that time, it took 2 years to build a fleet carrier & that pacific theatre was a battle for 'stepping stones' - bases from which further expansion could then be attempted.

With an extra 18 months or so of carrier dominance, japanese could have been a real problem (especially to aussies).


> Do you know Serbia's reputation in the world??

And do you know Albania's?


> Russia and China as well have to worry about the low income people and what ill happen if oil goes down (for Russia.) My point was that US has a proven system, Russia depends on oil /mineral prices and China has some 1 billion people near poverty.

The price of oil going down? Another albanian dream perhaps? Get real. As for the chinese & for that matter, the indians, their biggest resource is their population. And as time goes on, & as their level of education rises, so will the wealth of their respective countries. These, like oil, also will continue to go up.

You mentioned imperial Rome earlier - disparagingly so in comparison to the US. The truth of the matter is that Rome directly controlled much of the civilised world - to a much greater extent than the US does so today. And it, like earlier & later empires were all brought undone - largely from the inside. They 'rotted'.

The british empire came & went. So too will the american version we have today.

It is already rotten at the core.

peter, what PRN is doing is easy enough but he takes us for fools to believe that he gets so many recommendations in such a short period.

It started about a week ago.

>>And do you know Albania's?

poor country. Pro-US, pro-Western who's making a transition to market economy. Serbia: shall I say what label they have? megalomaniac, spiteful and so on. Albania is at least listening to the world and cooperating with them.

US might fall one day, but as Serbs dream of a weak US (to launch another World War with powerful allies to get back the 1300 'empire') might be ruined by rising neighbors. While US falls to a normal country (like GB), the EU countries will not all. India will counter China and China will eat Russia's lunch ;)

B92:

Appears to be something fishy about the number of recommendations PRN is getting..

Second time I've noticed it.

First time was on 30th March under thread entitled "Rehn: Only EU members can recognize states". PRN's post on that occasion was #6. Wasn't aware of the time frame involved on that occasion, although 'ZK UK' mentioned something about it in his post on the same thread (#12) - ie: 50 in 5 minutes.

This time however, appears to have gotten a lot of recommedations in a short space ot time (hour or so), with no noticeable 'flow-on' effect to others in the pro K-albanian camp.

Don't know if you can actually do anything about this particular propaganda technique, but would appreciate it if you would look into it.

Wrong again 'Al'.

First thing that comes to most westerner's minds when albanians are mentioned is crime.

Things like people smuggling - young women who will be used & abused as prostitutes in the west, or of asylum seekers. Also drugs like heroine & cocaine - principally the former, in which trade the albanian mafia is dominant. And let's not forget the arms smugglers.

And to this list, one might also add the smuggling of organs & the murder of the 'donors'.

As for your 'predictions' of the new world order, I suggest you first study some history. All empires fall in time. All.

As to what will replace them? Who knows. But one thing is for sure - you certainly don't.

Mr.Jeremic you can go to the moon if you like to. It wont help you or Serbia anything.

Kosovos is and will remain independent. It's the people of Kosovo who had made that decision and if the whole world decides to go against the kosovars it wont help. The only way you can keep Kosovo in Serbia is if the Kosovars is willing to do so. But they dont and it's over. Kosovo is independent.

Zk uk,

Serbia has been getting smaller and smaller since the '90s. It's 'independence' and 'territorial integrity' comes into question with hundreds of thousands of peace keepers and troops in its' territory --- now for someone who keeps repeating himself like a crazy person, 150 countries recognize what? How is Serbia a "real" country when you have Russia and America than dictate your policies?

Poor Vuk.

Can you imagine how lonely he'll feel going to an Americas only conference? He'll be invisible there. Who's gonna listen to him? That area of the world has much, much more important things to take care of themselves.

But hey, seeing as though Vuk loves to spend Serb jetfuel and travel around the world, by all means enjoy your trip sir! Maybe you can meet that uncontacted Amazon tribe in Brazil and ask them for their support as well. Just be careful of their spears and arrows.

Kosovo's independence is non-negotiable, not-returnable, definite, and written in rock. Vuk can jump up and down while visiting Mars if he likes. It's over good sir, it was over on Feb 17th.

>> We don't get Montenegrans coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent".

well, do you say that Montenegro isn't independent every 4 seconds? By the way: The Churches almost started a war (Serbian vs MN orthodox) so it wasn't all peace and love.

Wonder if it will be a meeting or dinner he will stage a walk out.

A state that is truely independent does not have to constantly repeat that fact. We don't get Montenegrans coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent".

Now that is the difference between true independence (one that was negotiated) and a pretend one. If the Albanians want to believe in independence, then that's fine but Serbia, backed by Russia, China, the UN and 150 other states would prefer to live in reality.

Oh good, maybe he can tell us the latest on those uncontacted people when he gets back.

Good job Mr Jeremic - keep it up. May or may not help but does not hurt any to have a go, despite what various people here have said in the past. And as others have pointed out.. if you are attracting flak from the K-albanians, then must be doing something right.

Adam:

Now try turning your argument around & just for a minute look at it from a serb perspective. Serbs are just as intransigent as K-albanians, & in the case of Kosovo, even more so.

And as long as that is the case, your dreams of a truly independent 'Kosova' are just that.

Dreams.

Adam,

It's not over yet and you know that. No UN recognition therefore its not a nation. Kosovo is still legally a province of Serbia.

This is the same foreign minister that went around Europe with the same idea.

Alot of good that did ;).

Have you guys noticed that almost anywhere the Serbs go, they recognize us shortly after. The Chzeck republic for example.

"We don't get Montenegrans coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent". "

We also don't get Germans coming here day in day out repeating "Bavaria is Germany"
So what's your point.
One thing the Serb know and heave known for a while is that Serbia is not gonna be under Serbia sovereignty for at least a 100 years. If you had smarter politicians you could have gained more than what Serbs in Kosova have now, instead you have "patriotic" politicians. As more time passes by, because of your "patriotic" politicians the Serbs in Kosova are going to have less and less say in what or who makes decisions for them.

Now that is the difference between true independence (one that was negotiated) and a pretend one. If the Albanians want to believe in independence, then that's fine but Serbia, backed by Russia, China, the UN and 150 other states would prefer to live in reality. (ZK UK, 1 June 2008 15:01

... do you really believe, by repeating this mantras day by day you can make others yours slaves of Serbian? Kosovo is independent, since UN Troika negotiations failed. process of recognisations is on the way, that's the reason, why Mr. Bonus Miles is in South America.

B92:

Appears to be something fishy about the number of recommendations PRN is getting..

Second time I've noticed it.

First time was on 30th March under thread entitled "Rehn: Only EU members can recognize states". PRN's post on that occasion was #6. Wasn't aware of the time frame involved on that occasion, although 'ZK UK' mentioned something about it in his post on the same thread (#12) - ie: 50 in 5 minutes.

This time however, appears to have gotten a lot of recommedations in a short space ot time (hour or so), with no noticeable 'flow-on' effect to others in the pro K-albanian camp.

Don't know if you can actually do anything about this particular propaganda technique, but would appreciate it if you would look into it.

KV, Serbia has been shrinking since the 90s? Where on earth did you get that nonsense?

Kosovo is occupied Serbian land and since the US could not deliver independence, making the Albanians believe it is - now that's good enough in their books.

Out of 35 American countries, 31 support Serbia's integrity. We certainly welcome that but since we have both Russia and China on board, that's all that really matters. It is blocked at the UN and that is the only thing irreversible here. Final, non-negotiable, finito, done deal, etc, etc, etc.... I hope that is clear.

Kosovo never left Serbia and that's what the Serbians know. There is nothing to reverse and it is just a waiting game now.

Haven't you noticed that all of this make believe is only being fed to the Albanians in Pristina by the occupiers? Nothing changes elsewhere and no one really cares.

Just remember, we are not getting the Montenegrans coming here pronouncing "Montenegro is independent" and for good reason.

Serbia has nothing to lose with sending Vuk Jeremic to loby for it.In fact, he is doing a fairly good job indeed.
And you know, just because Albanians or even USA say that there is 'no chance' for an alternative options it doesn't mean that we shouldn't try.
In fact, and because of his efforts the alternative solution for Kosovo is becoming 'new reality on the ground'.
And it is not just because Serbs want it so. Most of the world feels very unconfortable
with the way Kosovo declared UI.
The bottom line is:It is not fair and it will not pass.

Dear B92,

Firstly, I thank you for being 70%unbiased (this is what I personally consider) towards non-Serb community in here.

I dont write often, even still, a number of comments dont/or after-alterations get published. Anyway, I dont mind.

I know that this site is very popular with Albanians in Kosovo (with about 80 people, from my own estimates, GOD knows how many are for real, and how many Albanians from abroad, read, check, comment on B92... etc)...

In order to make ZK UK, Peter, Sydney, and other in Serbian camp happy, PLEASE take away my recommenadtions, I would suggest the whole amount, as this will please the majority in Serbian camp.

Peace to all

Cheers

Al:
Appears you need correcting on a few points.


> There you go picking a fight with US that dropped Hitler /Japan and USSR dead, much stronger than the Roman empire ever was.

In point of fact it was the russians who were primarily responsible for the downfall of the third reich & not the US, whose role was mostly support until D-day. That's where the bulk of the wehrmacht was for most of the war - in Russia, fighting the russians, & being bled dry.

By 1944, the writing was already on the wall for the germans - was merely a matter of time.

Decision to invade Russia in 1941 was certainly a turning point in the war, & even there, the germans almost pulled it off - got to the outskirts of Moscow come winter time. And if they'd taken Moscow, the rest of Russia would have fallen.

Might add that if germans had not wasted time taking out the balkans in the spring of 1941, may have had enough time to finish Russia - so by their very acts of resistance, serbs & greeks may have cost Germany the war. Speculation of course, but interesting to ponder.

As for the japanese, they actually came a lot closer to victory in the pacific than you appear to imply. Critical point there was carrier battle of Midway which could have gone either way. Yanks were outnumbered there but got lucky.

Things to remember here is that at that time, it took 2 years to build a fleet carrier & that pacific theatre was a battle for 'stepping stones' - bases from which further expansion could then be attempted.

With an extra 18 months or so of carrier dominance, japanese could have been a real problem (especially to aussies).


> Do you know Serbia's reputation in the world??

And do you know Albania's?


> Russia and China as well have to worry about the low income people and what ill happen if oil goes down (for Russia.) My point was that US has a proven system, Russia depends on oil /mineral prices and China has some 1 billion people near poverty.

The price of oil going down? Another albanian dream perhaps? Get real. As for the chinese & for that matter, the indians, their biggest resource is their population. And as time goes on, & as their level of education rises, so will the wealth of their respective countries. These, like oil, also will continue to go up.

You mentioned imperial Rome earlier - disparagingly so in comparison to the US. The truth of the matter is that Rome directly controlled much of the civilised world - to a much greater extent than the US does so today. And it, like earlier & later empires were all brought undone - largely from the inside. They 'rotted'.

The british empire came & went. So too will the american version we have today.

It is already rotten at the core.

Dear Mr. Jeremic,

GAME IS LONG TIME OVER!

You may take the Kosovo issue NOT only to S. America BUT also to the MOON or MARS and it wont help. The sooner you realise this the better for you and progress of Serbia.

Cheers

peter, what PRN is doing is easy enough but he takes us for fools to believe that he gets so many recommendations in such a short period.

It started about a week ago.

This is a very smart move, an excellent move. The OAS as a whole is going to be more than happy to do something to repudiate Washington and send a friendly message to Spain.

Fantastic move.
Even though I think it would be better for Serbia to have someone older and more expereinced in diplomacy, I must applaud this move.
Actually, at times like this, the last thing America needs is another reason for people to resent them.
They have enough troubles with South America as it is, with Chavez and everything. And yet, talking about America as a global bully there is not going to help them, especially since it will reach a sympathetic ear.
Good job, Mr. Jeremic.

Anything is better than resignated : "Well, America has declared it independent. End of story"

America did that as part of their psychological war, they know very well, that it is best to win a war without fightint. They study Sun Tzu's The Art of War in all the military schools, and so should we.

This is our comeback in the war of words.

Always the same ..the so-called pro-Eu Fm instead of going to the European capitals makes a trip in the world for the cause of Kosovo..Eu is more and more far away (2030) sincerly i must say that i'm glad the enlargement issue will finish with Croatia next year and will be the end of Serbia half population dreams ...
People in EU will be happy very few here want Serbia in EU..PLAIN AND SIMPLE

>>And do you know Albania's?

poor country. Pro-US, pro-Western who's making a transition to market economy. Serbia: shall I say what label they have? megalomaniac, spiteful and so on. Albania is at least listening to the world and cooperating with them.

US might fall one day, but as Serbs dream of a weak US (to launch another World War with powerful allies to get back the 1300 'empire') might be ruined by rising neighbors. While US falls to a normal country (like GB), the EU countries will not all. India will counter China and China will eat Russia's lunch ;)

Wrong again 'Al'.

First thing that comes to most westerner's minds when albanians are mentioned is crime.

Things like people smuggling - young women who will be used & abused as prostitutes in the west, or of asylum seekers. Also drugs like heroine & cocaine - principally the former, in which trade the albanian mafia is dominant. And let's not forget the arms smugglers.

And to this list, one might also add the smuggling of organs & the murder of the 'donors'.

As for your 'predictions' of the new world order, I suggest you first study some history. All empires fall in time. All.

As to what will replace them? Who knows. But one thing is for sure - you certainly don't.