DSS seeking amendment to SAA

Dear ZK UK,

You tend to be very popular in here in B92. However, embracing radicals' famous approach (about Serbia in 1990s and earlier) with mentality like 'regret nothing, deny everthing' YOU WONT ACHIEVE ANYTHING...

Denying Serbia's massive crimes against humanity in the 1990s may make you popular in Serbia, BUT not human (kind soul)outside Serbia's borders.

On the other hand, Serbia is not in any position to dictate the EU, what to offer. The SAA offer is on the table and is crystal clear...and TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT is the name of the game.

In addition you are not immpresing me with 'rotten' self-fulfilling prophecies what Kosovo can or cannot achieve...

That depends purely on the countries that design the NEW WORLD ORDER - where Kosovo should, shouldn't go...

Fortunately the time and direction is in our side...


Peace to all,

Cheers

Now that is a pro-Serbian policy. It is completely logical and the only way to protect Serbia's integrity.

Anything else amounts to selling Kosovo and betraying loyal citizens in the province - including the Gorani, Roma, Bosnians, Egyptians and Askalli.

Kostunica is still the most honorable politicion in Serbia. Tadic would never have made such a request. The SRS-SPS-DSS block is not anti-European, and they should not be and can not be. They are perfectly in their right to request for what is LEGALLY theirs. The EU can not respect some country's territorial integrity and obstruct another's. It is this double standard that created the anymosity between Serbia and the EU.

genc, why would anyone be fooling themselves? It simply makes the truth of the matter clear to Serbians.

Those who foolishly believe that Kosovo can be protected within the EU can finally see their true intentions.

The only way for Serbia to join the EU is with Kosovo being an integral part. Otherwise Kosovo remains the isolated haunted house in Disneyland for eternity.

There is absolutely no way Kosovo can ever join as an independent nation so both the Albanians and the EU will have to negotiate entry with Serbia.

If they choose not to, then Serbia still prospers with its loyal citizens in the southern province while the Albanians continue to live in a black hole.

This policy only benefits Serbia.

Watching this climbdown is hilarious.

First they support the annulment of SAA. They also say that the government signing the document was a private DS affair. They say that signing the agreement would be recognition of Kosovo.

Now DSS are prepared to make a U turn. They are ready to sign away Kosovo and are ready to support the document passed by government.

To think they forced an election because they would not sign SAA and now they say they will. All for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard my sides are splitting. Its ABSURD. If hardly anybody voted for them this time round, wait till next time!

Forget SAA!! Forget EU!! Until they (EU) respect Serbia’s UN recognized borders. Serbia should go EAST.

ZK UK, 28 May 2008 21:34) asks:

Do you really take people for fools?

Dear ZK UK,

I think this is an insult to all those who participate/d in B92 comments/threads.

Anyway, let me asnwer your question.

Anyhow, ... boy, NO INSULTS anymore - next time please behave, and show some respect for those who express their opinion and recommend a certain point of view, no matter how unintersting/silly looks in your own individual mind.

Cheers

Haha, does sb really expects the EU insert such a phrase in SAA? Are you fooling yourselves, or those who want to be fooled?

What are you talking about Ahmet? Serbia will protect all loyal citizens in the province. All of those minorities mentioned have sided with Serbia and there are a substantial amount down south that are willing to co-operate with Belgrade.

Remember that the Albanians ethnically cleaned non-Albanians out of Kosovo, and those minroties included.

The Gorani, Bosnians and Serbs control a substantial portion of the south and also to a lesser extent, the East and West. Check this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Kosovoethnicmap.jpg

Take it as fact, this new government will protect all loyal citizens!

SAA was offered before election to test Serbs desire to integrate in Europe. It happen they don't want to. So forget about SAA. Even if you beg for it will not happen. And you asking for Kosovo to be part of Serbia to be mention in SAA when 20 out of 27 think that Kosovo is independent country and only 3 out of 27 think differently, other 4 are waiting for opportune time to recognise. Do you think 20-24 most powerful coutries of Europe will change the way of doing diplomacy because Micky Mouse Cyprus, Slovakia and poor Rumania is against them?
They want SAA to say "Kosovo is not what we have recognized for". Ridiculous.

ZK UK,

if you understoodd politics, you’d understand also that changing the SAA wording is out of question for the EU. So let those gents be honest and call directly for rejecting it (and breaking the negotiations for the government). Otherwise you're fooling yourself, or those who want to be fooled.

As for the rest, you tend to consider your (and official opinion, which you reproduce exactly in your posts) as the ultimate and irrefutable truth. You seem to know the future quite well, like those who argued that no NATO intervention would have been ever possible, no UDI would have never happened, it would have been rejected on the spot by the UN SC etc. etc. So I don't see the need to argue longer about.

Bearing in mind the experience of the political isolation of Albania in the '80s, I highly hope that at the end a Nationalist, EU-opposed government led by Kostunica will come into power. This will be tough and have major costs for all in the region, but, form my point of view it is the best long-term solution for the Albanians. It will serve the Albanian interests as much as Milosevic did.

ZK UK, since when do you care about all minorities that you have mentioned on your post#1, but you failed to care about your orthodox churches/monasteries down the Iber river including your fellow K-Serbs. ALL you care is to retain north of Mitro.

Willy, your point sounds interesting but how does that help Serbia?

PRN, so what's going on with your recommendations? You seem to be getting about 50 in two minutes for saying nothing interesting.

Do you really take people for fools?

Appalling piece of politiking by the DSS. Haven't got a clue how to react in the international relations field!

They've got the EU by the short and curlies. I mean, the EU refuses to specify what 'Serbia' it intends to welcome into the EU for the very reason it cannot admit to breaking a sovereign state. The DSS knows this, but are playing their hand dreadfully.

All they have to do is say, 'OK, we like the SAA, but will only ratify it in parliament after all the EU member states do likewise'. Onus back on EU without looking foolish themselves.

Take it as fact, this new government will protect all loyal citizens! (ZK UK, 28 May 2008 17:20)

once you speak like professor Seselj, next moment you tend to become irrational, dear protector. what government are you talking about? you live in the UK, did you forget about that? you are a poster, that's all, so pleas calm down, your kind of paranoia has brought Serbia in the most miserable situation ever. like you I am not in favor of SAA, but my reason is: Serbia has to start clearing the historical problem with Kosovo first. it will always remain a reason for unstability in Europe, as long there is no official reconciliation. Serbia needs modern thinking people, which can achieve this goal - and then Serbia should decide, whether SAA is wanted or not from them.

>> The Gorani, Bosnians and Serbs control a substantial portion of the south and also to a lesser extent, the East and West. Check this. Take it as fact, this new government will protect all loyal citizens!

Very convincing point. We should let Serbia take over Kosovo just for that. Plus, we know how well they treat the minorities.

hahaha. The entire world will bend over for Serbia? Why should they? Serbia needs EU much more than EU needs Serbia and Serbia does not dare attack Kosovo or any country for that matter.

The DSS says it is prepared to accept a compromise over the SAA, provided a sentence is inserted stating that Kosovo is an inalienable part of Serbia."

I loved that as it MADE MY DAY)) He is not asking too much))))

"The issue of the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) could be resolved if the new national government manages to convince officials in Brussels to insert a sentence into the agreement stating that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia,” the Democratic Party of Serbia's (DSS) Branislav Ristivojević told Tanjug."

I also want to remind the Serbs that this is not Jugoslavia of the 1980's where powerful Serbia set the conditions. This is the EU we're talking about. I mean these guys in a matter of 90 days sent Serbia back to the 1960's. Its always good to remember that so that you guys know who sets the rule in this club. If not you have the choice to remain out of it. Nobody is forcing you to join.

ZK UK,

Simple. It means the EU has to make the next move without leaving Serbia in a position where it can be accused of being awkward, nationalist or bloody-minded.

And about another 100 reasons which I don't have time to get into.

Kostunica and the DSS have consistantly managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the past 12 months. He may be a an astute political operator domestically, but on the international stage he's a bloody disaster!

I think FIAT must think to enter Russian market via his partner Severstal....

I see no harm in the EU signing a separate document saying "the only way Serbia will ever join the EU is if Kosovo reintegrates into it"
Of course that statement ranks up there with other notable quotes like "when pigs fly" and "when Hell freezes over" The perfect European approach to the serbian issue.

Haha, does sb really expects the EU insert such a phrase in SAA? Are you fooling yourselves, or those who want to be fooled?

hahaha. The entire world will bend over for Serbia? Why should they? Serbia needs EU much more than EU needs Serbia and Serbia does not dare attack Kosovo or any country for that matter.

SAA was offered before election to test Serbs desire to integrate in Europe. It happen they don't want to. So forget about SAA. Even if you beg for it will not happen. And you asking for Kosovo to be part of Serbia to be mention in SAA when 20 out of 27 think that Kosovo is independent country and only 3 out of 27 think differently, other 4 are waiting for opportune time to recognise. Do you think 20-24 most powerful coutries of Europe will change the way of doing diplomacy because Micky Mouse Cyprus, Slovakia and poor Rumania is against them?
They want SAA to say "Kosovo is not what we have recognized for". Ridiculous.

Watching this climbdown is hilarious.

First they support the annulment of SAA. They also say that the government signing the document was a private DS affair. They say that signing the agreement would be recognition of Kosovo.

Now DSS are prepared to make a U turn. They are ready to sign away Kosovo and are ready to support the document passed by government.

To think they forced an election because they would not sign SAA and now they say they will. All for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard my sides are splitting. Its ABSURD. If hardly anybody voted for them this time round, wait till next time!

ZK UK, since when do you care about all minorities that you have mentioned on your post#1, but you failed to care about your orthodox churches/monasteries down the Iber river including your fellow K-Serbs. ALL you care is to retain north of Mitro.

Dear ZK UK,

You tend to be very popular in here in B92. However, embracing radicals' famous approach (about Serbia in 1990s and earlier) with mentality like 'regret nothing, deny everthing' YOU WONT ACHIEVE ANYTHING...

Denying Serbia's massive crimes against humanity in the 1990s may make you popular in Serbia, BUT not human (kind soul)outside Serbia's borders.

On the other hand, Serbia is not in any position to dictate the EU, what to offer. The SAA offer is on the table and is crystal clear...and TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT is the name of the game.

In addition you are not immpresing me with 'rotten' self-fulfilling prophecies what Kosovo can or cannot achieve...

That depends purely on the countries that design the NEW WORLD ORDER - where Kosovo should, shouldn't go...

Fortunately the time and direction is in our side...


Peace to all,

Cheers

ZK UK,

if you understoodd politics, you’d understand also that changing the SAA wording is out of question for the EU. So let those gents be honest and call directly for rejecting it (and breaking the negotiations for the government). Otherwise you're fooling yourself, or those who want to be fooled.

As for the rest, you tend to consider your (and official opinion, which you reproduce exactly in your posts) as the ultimate and irrefutable truth. You seem to know the future quite well, like those who argued that no NATO intervention would have been ever possible, no UDI would have never happened, it would have been rejected on the spot by the UN SC etc. etc. So I don't see the need to argue longer about.

Bearing in mind the experience of the political isolation of Albania in the '80s, I highly hope that at the end a Nationalist, EU-opposed government led by Kostunica will come into power. This will be tough and have major costs for all in the region, but, form my point of view it is the best long-term solution for the Albanians. It will serve the Albanian interests as much as Milosevic did.

The DSS says it is prepared to accept a compromise over the SAA, provided a sentence is inserted stating that Kosovo is an inalienable part of Serbia."

I loved that as it MADE MY DAY)) He is not asking too much))))

>> The Gorani, Bosnians and Serbs control a substantial portion of the south and also to a lesser extent, the East and West. Check this. Take it as fact, this new government will protect all loyal citizens!

Very convincing point. We should let Serbia take over Kosovo just for that. Plus, we know how well they treat the minorities.

Willy, your point sounds interesting but how does that help Serbia?

PRN, so what's going on with your recommendations? You seem to be getting about 50 in two minutes for saying nothing interesting.

Do you really take people for fools?

I see no harm in the EU signing a separate document saying "the only way Serbia will ever join the EU is if Kosovo reintegrates into it"
Of course that statement ranks up there with other notable quotes like "when pigs fly" and "when Hell freezes over" The perfect European approach to the serbian issue.

Kostunica is still the most honorable politicion in Serbia. Tadic would never have made such a request. The SRS-SPS-DSS block is not anti-European, and they should not be and can not be. They are perfectly in their right to request for what is LEGALLY theirs. The EU can not respect some country's territorial integrity and obstruct another's. It is this double standard that created the anymosity between Serbia and the EU.

Now that is a pro-Serbian policy. It is completely logical and the only way to protect Serbia's integrity.

Anything else amounts to selling Kosovo and betraying loyal citizens in the province - including the Gorani, Roma, Bosnians, Egyptians and Askalli.

genc, why would anyone be fooling themselves? It simply makes the truth of the matter clear to Serbians.

Those who foolishly believe that Kosovo can be protected within the EU can finally see their true intentions.

The only way for Serbia to join the EU is with Kosovo being an integral part. Otherwise Kosovo remains the isolated haunted house in Disneyland for eternity.

There is absolutely no way Kosovo can ever join as an independent nation so both the Albanians and the EU will have to negotiate entry with Serbia.

If they choose not to, then Serbia still prospers with its loyal citizens in the southern province while the Albanians continue to live in a black hole.

This policy only benefits Serbia.

I think FIAT must think to enter Russian market via his partner Severstal....

Forget SAA!! Forget EU!! Until they (EU) respect Serbia’s UN recognized borders. Serbia should go EAST.

Appalling piece of politiking by the DSS. Haven't got a clue how to react in the international relations field!

They've got the EU by the short and curlies. I mean, the EU refuses to specify what 'Serbia' it intends to welcome into the EU for the very reason it cannot admit to breaking a sovereign state. The DSS knows this, but are playing their hand dreadfully.

All they have to do is say, 'OK, we like the SAA, but will only ratify it in parliament after all the EU member states do likewise'. Onus back on EU without looking foolish themselves.

What are you talking about Ahmet? Serbia will protect all loyal citizens in the province. All of those minorities mentioned have sided with Serbia and there are a substantial amount down south that are willing to co-operate with Belgrade.

Remember that the Albanians ethnically cleaned non-Albanians out of Kosovo, and those minroties included.

The Gorani, Bosnians and Serbs control a substantial portion of the south and also to a lesser extent, the East and West. Check this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Kosovoethnicmap.jpg

Take it as fact, this new government will protect all loyal citizens!

ZK UK,

Simple. It means the EU has to make the next move without leaving Serbia in a position where it can be accused of being awkward, nationalist or bloody-minded.

And about another 100 reasons which I don't have time to get into.

Kostunica and the DSS have consistantly managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the past 12 months. He may be a an astute political operator domestically, but on the international stage he's a bloody disaster!

"The issue of the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) could be resolved if the new national government manages to convince officials in Brussels to insert a sentence into the agreement stating that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia,” the Democratic Party of Serbia's (DSS) Branislav Ristivojević told Tanjug."

I also want to remind the Serbs that this is not Jugoslavia of the 1980's where powerful Serbia set the conditions. This is the EU we're talking about. I mean these guys in a matter of 90 days sent Serbia back to the 1960's. Its always good to remember that so that you guys know who sets the rule in this club. If not you have the choice to remain out of it. Nobody is forcing you to join.

Take it as fact, this new government will protect all loyal citizens! (ZK UK, 28 May 2008 17:20)

once you speak like professor Seselj, next moment you tend to become irrational, dear protector. what government are you talking about? you live in the UK, did you forget about that? you are a poster, that's all, so pleas calm down, your kind of paranoia has brought Serbia in the most miserable situation ever. like you I am not in favor of SAA, but my reason is: Serbia has to start clearing the historical problem with Kosovo first. it will always remain a reason for unstability in Europe, as long there is no official reconciliation. Serbia needs modern thinking people, which can achieve this goal - and then Serbia should decide, whether SAA is wanted or not from them.

ZK UK, 28 May 2008 21:34) asks:

Do you really take people for fools?

Dear ZK UK,

I think this is an insult to all those who participate/d in B92 comments/threads.

Anyway, let me asnwer your question.

Anyhow, ... boy, NO INSULTS anymore - next time please behave, and show some respect for those who express their opinion and recommend a certain point of view, no matter how unintersting/silly looks in your own individual mind.

Cheers