Czech people are free now, to serve new masters EUSSR (sometimes called Eutopia) and USSA (United Soviet State of America sometimes called empire).
Easter people can not live without serving someone. Czech people should remember, sooner then later they will be in Serbs shoes.
(Czechs do not have their own industries, Czechs resources were already sold out). Germans are American protégées (they already screwed Serbs), be aware.
Consolation is: all eastern countries are al screwed by west.
Good luck on eastern front (red meat)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaclav Klaus, while respected in Czech Republic for all the good reasons ('Euro realist' approach to the EU integration as opposed to a naive 'all for EU' one, opposition to the 'Environmentalism' as a new extreme left agenda to conquer the world after the death of communism etc.), is also well known for being one of the first Western leaders who went to the former Yugoslavia and shook hands with the dictator Slobodan Milosevic. We all know (we do if we want to know) what evil Milosevic and his comrades have managed to do to the nations of the former YU, including Serbia. So, in this sense, please always bear this in mind when hearing that Klaus said this, Klaus said that. He has almost no executive power in the country and the country conservative governmet clearly stated that we do recognize Kosovo as the newest and independent state in Europe and that is something I can only agree to as everyone (who wants to know) knows there's really no alternative to that (and Serbia itself is much better off without Kosovo anyway, please realize that!). All the Best to all good people anywhere!:)
While the CZ government claims there was no alternative to recognize the UDI (while cca 85 % of CZ oposes the recognition!), the Slovak leadership expressed that SK will never recognize Kosovo.
I feel the heritor of the Czechoslovak ethos turns to be Slovakia! Thank you Slovaks for the loyalty to the values of old Czechoslovakia.
One can imagine how do we feel for our government and state.
For me, such as for Belgrade or Bratislava, nothing has changed. Kosovo is and always will be Serbia.
Tomas, Brno, CZ
I was really ashamed to hear the Czech President Klaus saying that he was ashamed of recognition of Kosova by the Czech Republic. Remember Albania withdrew from the Warsaw Pact in 1968 just because of Soviet invasion of former Czechoslovakia. So much for the shame!!! Why Czech Republic recognized Eritrea and Timor Leste
As for comment
"...his backing of the population is marginal" - here is the article from "Prague Daily Monitor" (Feb.2008)titled -Poll: Czechs slightly favour Klaus
http://www.praguemonitor.com/en/269/czech_politics/18360/
So we can see that more then half of Czechs back their president...not at all maginal.
You make some interesting and intelligent points about historical allegiance of different peoples at different times.
Being an intelligent person however, you should know that the majority of the American public makes their decisions on foreign affairs based on what they see on television or read in newspapers. We all know how easily manipulated the American media and through it the public can be. All that is necessary are a “reliable source” and a few key words like Al-Qaeda, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Enriched Uranium, Genocide and Ethnic cleansing. That’s when the feelings of freedom and democracy get revved up and hi ho, hi ho, off to war we go.
Oh well, back to being frustrated at the fact that people, I among them, only see what they want to see. Since perception is reality for most people it is extremely unfortunate that the perception of Serbs and Albanians is so drastically different.
This is shameful. Very, very shameful beyond belief. Schwarzenberg claims the Czech government had no choice. I guess this is his way of admitting he is nothing but a lap dog to foreign interests, and is not there to serve the Czech people's wishes, but the wishes of Germans and Americans. Shame. Remember Sudetenland? This is no different. No different at all. We Serbs know that the Czech people are with us.
To the Albanian supporters I say. How much proof do you need to accept that your illegal UDI was forced down many government's thorats.
Yes, many countries were obviously bullied into accepting your illegal state. When you are in a partnership with people who hold all the cards as you are only a minority share holder then you have to do as you're told.
This is exactly what the EU is. A partnership which is made up of big shareholders and insignificant shareholders.
It's time this unfair organisation is dismembered as clearly many partners are not happy.
Dear Serbian friends, let me join the apologies for the recent step of our government.
My reasons are:
- the evidences of UÇK crimes have not been put into question
- the evidences of ethnical cleansing of non-albanian ppl in Kosovo are going to be lost or expired
- the rules of UN have not been kept, which makes the UN even more useless
- malicious precedence for other minorities all over the region that they can build their state on dead neighbours.
I hope i can find a way to put my humble powers for justice and humanity. Best regards J.V.
I think the proof is in the pudding what Mr Klaus said. Prague's recognition of Pristina's UDD came not from the free will of the Czech people and Czech government, but from the diktats of Brussels and Washington. So much for a democratic EU. I'm amazed that Greece, Portugal, Spain, Slovakia, Malta, Cyprus and Romania have resisted the pressure up to now. Who will be the first to bow?
A clear signal to Serbia to stay out of this monstrosity. What happens when Brussels comes a knocking in Novi Sad?
If this is what Pristina's UDD has come down to - threats, bribes etc. then truly the K-Albanian camp have lost the moral argument.
Dear Serbian friends. Let me say may deapest sorry for recognition of our government. I returned yeasterday from journey around Kosovo and Metohija. I was so ashamed on Wednesday while leaving Visoki Decani monastir and learn what my government done. Albanian stones hitting the glass some 1 meter from my head were something like reminder that I am free man and it is my freedom not to recognize state like this. Please belive that majority of Czechs did not welcome this bad decision.
"One is the fact that the first Czechoslovakian president, Tomaš Garrigue Masaryk, could only travel in Europe during the First World War because Serbia issued him with a passport, and that the German Gestapo persecuted Masaryk's followers in occupied Yugoslavia during the Second World War.
"The ambassador's father studied in Prague after the war, to be sent home by our authorities after 1948, because he would not renounce Tito in favor of Stalin," Klaus continued.
He reminded the readers of the Czech Republic's most influential newspaper that as the Warsaw Pact troops entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, Yugoslavia was the only country to declare its own mobilization."
ok, let me try to analyze these comments, which are a bit of a mish-mash. basically, the czech president is referring to historic yugoslavia in his comments, esp. during the 2nd world war and during the great rift, so called. now during the 90s, milosevic and co. tried to convince us all that serbia was the real yugoslavia, and everyone else were the fascist enemies. actually, that was the big lie of the 90s, and helped result in the death of 100s of thousands of people. i have said this so many times i feel like i am talking to myself: there were men and women of every nationality that fought on every side during ww2, both in the former yu and in albania itself. of course it is an extremely complicated story, and i hate to reduce it to to these pseudo-historical arguments, but it needs to be clarified. the partisans, the main anti-fascist force, was thoroughly integrated, and held strongest inside of bosnia. the serb nationalists were generally part of the chetniks and/or aspects of the collaborationist govt of serbia, and were hardly anti-fascist heroes! someone needs to study history in an accurate and honest manner.
AS far as this old argument about what the american public REAlly believes: it may be true that our general understanding of the international global-political matrix lacks sophistication. but americans, ordinary americans have a visceral feel for freedom and democracy, and have seen how the wars of the former yugoslavia have played out. they have strongly supported freedom for slovenia, croatia, bosnia, macedonia, montenegro... and now kosovo/a. the main support for the serbian nationalist position comes from their diaspora community, heavily influenced by their church, and by extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing groups, which have merged into a bizarre conglomeration of paranoid, conspiracy-theorists, like anti-war.com, etc.
i have a feeling that despite thier president, most czechs are freedom loving people, and want to share their freedom and independence with the people of kosova. again, thank you!
I was ashamed by polish invasion of Zaolzie in 1938 at the time when Hitler annexed Sudetenland, I was ashamed by participation of Polish Peoples Army in braking of "Prague Spring" in March 1968, I was ashamed by recognition of UDI of Kosovo by puppet government of Poland and with all my heart I supported Czech Parliament Declaration about NOT recognition of that.
Why the Czech FM said: "Meanwhile, the Czech foreign minister expressed regret over the Serbian ambassador's departure, but added his government had no choice but to recognize the secession."
Dear FM, would you please explain it in details? Why you didn't have the choice? Did you have to against the will of Czech peoples? The same as Polish (?) government?
Somebody mentioned that politician should have no emotions. Another one mentioned 'melodrama` yet another martyrdom...
Yet fact remains that Kosovo UDI was primarily 'pushed' through based on - sentimentality! There was not much reason in such course - but emotions (magnified to huge proportions) decided the course of US and the rest more or less obediently -followed.
The coming elections in US may change this policy which is based on sentimentality, so far.
>> If that happened... I guarentee you.. only Albania... maybe Croatia would vote in favor of it.
Not when people are reminded what Serbs did to the Albanians. More like every country would. Unleashing the army, complete with rapists and murderers on their population is not "Western" Nikola.
See this is the opinion in most of Europe... which is why in theory I'm not against Serbia joining the EU.
Problem is... the EU's leaders do not actually represent the view of the people (isn't that Democracy 101?) because most Czechs, French, Italians (who the Albanians boast about being their "brothers"), Spaniards, Portuguese and almost all other countries in Europe reject Kosovo independence.
IF this is real democracy then we should have a referendum in every EU country weather they choose to recognize or not.
If that happened... I guarentee you.. only Albania... maybe Croatia would vote in favor of it.
and, once again thanks a lot for your cynical comments, they help Serbia very much!
(Jovan, 24 May 2008 19:20)
you are welcome, Jovan! we are just commenting to help you, there's no other reason : )
concerning the article of th president of Czech Republic: one in his position must know what he is, either president or not. his article gives an evidence that he is in doubt about this question.
he was not voted directly by the citizens of Czech Republic directly. the way he was re-elected, had a touch of political farce, his backing of the population is marginal.
Well I can see that our Serbian counterpart is still living on his “daydream” and believes that actually Serbia is going to govern Kosova AGAIN!!!
However, on a more serious note I would like just to point out to you, Jovane, that your ethnocentrism approach to this particular problem leads you where? Please keep this in mid when you answer the above question “ Extreme ethnocentrism expressed in culturally/ethnically sanctioned intolerance of other cultures/ethnicities leads on occasions to war or genocide”
I think the issue here is that states may "officially" recognize Kosovo's UDD, but individuals are free to think what they wish. The United States was one of the first to recognize, but I can put money on the fact that of the enitre US population, 10% support such a move, another 10% are against it, and the remaining 80% couldn't care less.
So too with other states that have recognized. What this means is that even if a state recognizes Kosovo, that does not translate into a general feeling of the people of said state (Albania being the main exception of this).
I, like many others, share President Klaus' sentiments in being ashamed for what their respective country officially did. The Serbs I relate to in BG know this and they understand.
may I express my gratitude to our k-albanian friends for their comments!
by belittling the words of Mr.Klaus, you are just showing your true colors, your character, so to say.
that is great, since it is the best thing you can do to help Serbia to re-integrate it´s southern province!
the Czech people will certainly take notice of the albanian arrogance...
but, what I still have not understood, WHAT is the reason for that arrogance... I mean, which achievements has the world had from the Albanians?
please, don´t start again with those dreams and illusions you´re usually posting here about the first man on the moon being an Albanian... or the illyrians being your descendants... :)
facts please!
and, once again thanks a lot for your cynical comments, they help Serbia very much!
Meanwhile, the Czech foreign minister expressed regret over the Serbian ambassador's departure, but added his government had no choice but to recognize the secession.
--
My sympathies go out to the Czech people who are now loyal servants of the US. It goes to show how unnatural Kosovo's recognition is when done under extreme pressure.
However, what is even more interesting is that the recognition is still not legal. Lets see if the President appoints an ambassador.
This will truly test whether they can get off their knees.
He reminded the readers of the Czech Republic's most influential newspaper that as the Warsaw Pact troops entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, Yugoslavia was the only country to declare its own mobilization.
My dear president do you forget that for this act of Warsaw pact troops, Albania declind its membership from the pact, so do not forgaet that we have condemnd the act of brutality over the Czechoslovakia.
Anyway we thank the people of Czech Republic for the reckognition of the newest state in the World.
Grettings from Prishtina
Few of the countries that have recognized Kosovos UDI have taken pleasure of it. But it is a thing most of them had to do. Kosovo simply could not remaine part of Serbia. That is all thet is. Hope the Serbian people understand that soone rather than later.
Meanwhile, the Czech foreign minister expressed regret over the Serbian ambassador's departure, but added his government had no choice but to recognize the secession.
--
My sympathies go out to the Czech people who are now loyal servants of the US. It goes to show how unnatural Kosovo's recognition is when done under extreme pressure.
However, what is even more interesting is that the recognition is still not legal. Lets see if the President appoints an ambassador.
This will truly test whether they can get off their knees.
Dear Serbian friends. Let me say may deapest sorry for recognition of our government. I returned yeasterday from journey around Kosovo and Metohija. I was so ashamed on Wednesday while leaving Visoki Decani monastir and learn what my government done. Albanian stones hitting the glass some 1 meter from my head were something like reminder that I am free man and it is my freedom not to recognize state like this. Please belive that majority of Czechs did not welcome this bad decision.
may I express my gratitude to our k-albanian friends for their comments!
by belittling the words of Mr.Klaus, you are just showing your true colors, your character, so to say.
that is great, since it is the best thing you can do to help Serbia to re-integrate it´s southern province!
the Czech people will certainly take notice of the albanian arrogance...
but, what I still have not understood, WHAT is the reason for that arrogance... I mean, which achievements has the world had from the Albanians?
please, don´t start again with those dreams and illusions you´re usually posting here about the first man on the moon being an Albanian... or the illyrians being your descendants... :)
facts please!
and, once again thanks a lot for your cynical comments, they help Serbia very much!
I think the issue here is that states may "officially" recognize Kosovo's UDD, but individuals are free to think what they wish. The United States was one of the first to recognize, but I can put money on the fact that of the enitre US population, 10% support such a move, another 10% are against it, and the remaining 80% couldn't care less.
So too with other states that have recognized. What this means is that even if a state recognizes Kosovo, that does not translate into a general feeling of the people of said state (Albania being the main exception of this).
I, like many others, share President Klaus' sentiments in being ashamed for what their respective country officially did. The Serbs I relate to in BG know this and they understand.
See this is the opinion in most of Europe... which is why in theory I'm not against Serbia joining the EU.
Problem is... the EU's leaders do not actually represent the view of the people (isn't that Democracy 101?) because most Czechs, French, Italians (who the Albanians boast about being their "brothers"), Spaniards, Portuguese and almost all other countries in Europe reject Kosovo independence.
IF this is real democracy then we should have a referendum in every EU country weather they choose to recognize or not.
If that happened... I guarentee you.. only Albania... maybe Croatia would vote in favor of it.
I was ashamed by polish invasion of Zaolzie in 1938 at the time when Hitler annexed Sudetenland, I was ashamed by participation of Polish Peoples Army in braking of "Prague Spring" in March 1968, I was ashamed by recognition of UDI of Kosovo by puppet government of Poland and with all my heart I supported Czech Parliament Declaration about NOT recognition of that.
Why the Czech FM said: "Meanwhile, the Czech foreign minister expressed regret over the Serbian ambassador's departure, but added his government had no choice but to recognize the secession."
Dear FM, would you please explain it in details? Why you didn't have the choice? Did you have to against the will of Czech peoples? The same as Polish (?) government?
I think the proof is in the pudding what Mr Klaus said. Prague's recognition of Pristina's UDD came not from the free will of the Czech people and Czech government, but from the diktats of Brussels and Washington. So much for a democratic EU. I'm amazed that Greece, Portugal, Spain, Slovakia, Malta, Cyprus and Romania have resisted the pressure up to now. Who will be the first to bow?
A clear signal to Serbia to stay out of this monstrosity. What happens when Brussels comes a knocking in Novi Sad?
If this is what Pristina's UDD has come down to - threats, bribes etc. then truly the K-Albanian camp have lost the moral argument.
Dear Serbian friends, let me join the apologies for the recent step of our government.
My reasons are:
- the evidences of UÇK crimes have not been put into question
- the evidences of ethnical cleansing of non-albanian ppl in Kosovo are going to be lost or expired
- the rules of UN have not been kept, which makes the UN even more useless
- malicious precedence for other minorities all over the region that they can build their state on dead neighbours.
I hope i can find a way to put my humble powers for justice and humanity. Best regards J.V.
This is shameful. Very, very shameful beyond belief. Schwarzenberg claims the Czech government had no choice. I guess this is his way of admitting he is nothing but a lap dog to foreign interests, and is not there to serve the Czech people's wishes, but the wishes of Germans and Americans. Shame. Remember Sudetenland? This is no different. No different at all. We Serbs know that the Czech people are with us.
He reminded the readers of the Czech Republic's most influential newspaper that as the Warsaw Pact troops entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, Yugoslavia was the only country to declare its own mobilization.
My dear president do you forget that for this act of Warsaw pact troops, Albania declind its membership from the pact, so do not forgaet that we have condemnd the act of brutality over the Czechoslovakia.
Anyway we thank the people of Czech Republic for the reckognition of the newest state in the World.
Grettings from Prishtina
Few of the countries that have recognized Kosovos UDI have taken pleasure of it. But it is a thing most of them had to do. Kosovo simply could not remaine part of Serbia. That is all thet is. Hope the Serbian people understand that soone rather than later.
"One is the fact that the first Czechoslovakian president, Tomaš Garrigue Masaryk, could only travel in Europe during the First World War because Serbia issued him with a passport, and that the German Gestapo persecuted Masaryk's followers in occupied Yugoslavia during the Second World War.
"The ambassador's father studied in Prague after the war, to be sent home by our authorities after 1948, because he would not renounce Tito in favor of Stalin," Klaus continued.
He reminded the readers of the Czech Republic's most influential newspaper that as the Warsaw Pact troops entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, Yugoslavia was the only country to declare its own mobilization."
ok, let me try to analyze these comments, which are a bit of a mish-mash. basically, the czech president is referring to historic yugoslavia in his comments, esp. during the 2nd world war and during the great rift, so called. now during the 90s, milosevic and co. tried to convince us all that serbia was the real yugoslavia, and everyone else were the fascist enemies. actually, that was the big lie of the 90s, and helped result in the death of 100s of thousands of people. i have said this so many times i feel like i am talking to myself: there were men and women of every nationality that fought on every side during ww2, both in the former yu and in albania itself. of course it is an extremely complicated story, and i hate to reduce it to to these pseudo-historical arguments, but it needs to be clarified. the partisans, the main anti-fascist force, was thoroughly integrated, and held strongest inside of bosnia. the serb nationalists were generally part of the chetniks and/or aspects of the collaborationist govt of serbia, and were hardly anti-fascist heroes! someone needs to study history in an accurate and honest manner.
AS far as this old argument about what the american public REAlly believes: it may be true that our general understanding of the international global-political matrix lacks sophistication. but americans, ordinary americans have a visceral feel for freedom and democracy, and have seen how the wars of the former yugoslavia have played out. they have strongly supported freedom for slovenia, croatia, bosnia, macedonia, montenegro... and now kosovo/a. the main support for the serbian nationalist position comes from their diaspora community, heavily influenced by their church, and by extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing groups, which have merged into a bizarre conglomeration of paranoid, conspiracy-theorists, like anti-war.com, etc.
i have a feeling that despite thier president, most czechs are freedom loving people, and want to share their freedom and independence with the people of kosova. again, thank you!
While the CZ government claims there was no alternative to recognize the UDI (while cca 85 % of CZ oposes the recognition!), the Slovak leadership expressed that SK will never recognize Kosovo.
I feel the heritor of the Czechoslovak ethos turns to be Slovakia! Thank you Slovaks for the loyalty to the values of old Czechoslovakia.
One can imagine how do we feel for our government and state.
For me, such as for Belgrade or Bratislava, nothing has changed. Kosovo is and always will be Serbia.
Tomas, Brno, CZ
Well I can see that our Serbian counterpart is still living on his “daydream” and believes that actually Serbia is going to govern Kosova AGAIN!!!
However, on a more serious note I would like just to point out to you, Jovane, that your ethnocentrism approach to this particular problem leads you where? Please keep this in mid when you answer the above question “ Extreme ethnocentrism expressed in culturally/ethnically sanctioned intolerance of other cultures/ethnicities leads on occasions to war or genocide”
and, once again thanks a lot for your cynical comments, they help Serbia very much!
(Jovan, 24 May 2008 19:20)
you are welcome, Jovan! we are just commenting to help you, there's no other reason : )
concerning the article of th president of Czech Republic: one in his position must know what he is, either president or not. his article gives an evidence that he is in doubt about this question.
he was not voted directly by the citizens of Czech Republic directly. the way he was re-elected, had a touch of political farce, his backing of the population is marginal.
Somebody mentioned that politician should have no emotions. Another one mentioned 'melodrama` yet another martyrdom...
Yet fact remains that Kosovo UDI was primarily 'pushed' through based on - sentimentality! There was not much reason in such course - but emotions (magnified to huge proportions) decided the course of US and the rest more or less obediently -followed.
The coming elections in US may change this policy which is based on sentimentality, so far.
>> If that happened... I guarentee you.. only Albania... maybe Croatia would vote in favor of it.
Not when people are reminded what Serbs did to the Albanians. More like every country would. Unleashing the army, complete with rapists and murderers on their population is not "Western" Nikola.
To the Albanian supporters I say. How much proof do you need to accept that your illegal UDI was forced down many government's thorats.
Yes, many countries were obviously bullied into accepting your illegal state. When you are in a partnership with people who hold all the cards as you are only a minority share holder then you have to do as you're told.
This is exactly what the EU is. A partnership which is made up of big shareholders and insignificant shareholders.
It's time this unfair organisation is dismembered as clearly many partners are not happy.
Czech people are free now, to serve new masters EUSSR (sometimes called Eutopia) and USSA (United Soviet State of America sometimes called empire).
Easter people can not live without serving someone. Czech people should remember, sooner then later they will be in Serbs shoes.
(Czechs do not have their own industries, Czechs resources were already sold out). Germans are American protégées (they already screwed Serbs), be aware.
Consolation is: all eastern countries are al screwed by west.
Good luck on eastern front (red meat)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for comment
"...his backing of the population is marginal" - here is the article from "Prague Daily Monitor" (Feb.2008)titled -Poll: Czechs slightly favour Klaus
http://www.praguemonitor.com/en/269/czech_politics/18360/
So we can see that more then half of Czechs back their president...not at all maginal.
You make some interesting and intelligent points about historical allegiance of different peoples at different times.
Being an intelligent person however, you should know that the majority of the American public makes their decisions on foreign affairs based on what they see on television or read in newspapers. We all know how easily manipulated the American media and through it the public can be. All that is necessary are a “reliable source” and a few key words like Al-Qaeda, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Enriched Uranium, Genocide and Ethnic cleansing. That’s when the feelings of freedom and democracy get revved up and hi ho, hi ho, off to war we go.
Oh well, back to being frustrated at the fact that people, I among them, only see what they want to see. Since perception is reality for most people it is extremely unfortunate that the perception of Serbs and Albanians is so drastically different.
I was really ashamed to hear the Czech President Klaus saying that he was ashamed of recognition of Kosova by the Czech Republic. Remember Albania withdrew from the Warsaw Pact in 1968 just because of Soviet invasion of former Czechoslovakia. So much for the shame!!! Why Czech Republic recognized Eritrea and Timor Leste
Vaclav Klaus, while respected in Czech Republic for all the good reasons ('Euro realist' approach to the EU integration as opposed to a naive 'all for EU' one, opposition to the 'Environmentalism' as a new extreme left agenda to conquer the world after the death of communism etc.), is also well known for being one of the first Western leaders who went to the former Yugoslavia and shook hands with the dictator Slobodan Milosevic. We all know (we do if we want to know) what evil Milosevic and his comrades have managed to do to the nations of the former YU, including Serbia. So, in this sense, please always bear this in mind when hearing that Klaus said this, Klaus said that. He has almost no executive power in the country and the country conservative governmet clearly stated that we do recognize Kosovo as the newest and independent state in Europe and that is something I can only agree to as everyone (who wants to know) knows there's really no alternative to that (and Serbia itself is much better off without Kosovo anyway, please realize that!). All the Best to all good people anywhere!:)
>> If that happened... I guarentee you.. only Albania... maybe Croatia would vote in favor of it.
Not when people are reminded what Serbs did to the Albanians. More like every country would. Unleashing the army, complete with rapists and murderers on their population is not "Western" Nikola.
"One is the fact that the first Czechoslovakian president, Tomaš Garrigue Masaryk, could only travel in Europe during the First World War because Serbia issued him with a passport, and that the German Gestapo persecuted Masaryk's followers in occupied Yugoslavia during the Second World War.
"The ambassador's father studied in Prague after the war, to be sent home by our authorities after 1948, because he would not renounce Tito in favor of Stalin," Klaus continued.
He reminded the readers of the Czech Republic's most influential newspaper that as the Warsaw Pact troops entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, Yugoslavia was the only country to declare its own mobilization."
ok, let me try to analyze these comments, which are a bit of a mish-mash. basically, the czech president is referring to historic yugoslavia in his comments, esp. during the 2nd world war and during the great rift, so called. now during the 90s, milosevic and co. tried to convince us all that serbia was the real yugoslavia, and everyone else were the fascist enemies. actually, that was the big lie of the 90s, and helped result in the death of 100s of thousands of people. i have said this so many times i feel like i am talking to myself: there were men and women of every nationality that fought on every side during ww2, both in the former yu and in albania itself. of course it is an extremely complicated story, and i hate to reduce it to to these pseudo-historical arguments, but it needs to be clarified. the partisans, the main anti-fascist force, was thoroughly integrated, and held strongest inside of bosnia. the serb nationalists were generally part of the chetniks and/or aspects of the collaborationist govt of serbia, and were hardly anti-fascist heroes! someone needs to study history in an accurate and honest manner.
AS far as this old argument about what the american public REAlly believes: it may be true that our general understanding of the international global-political matrix lacks sophistication. but americans, ordinary americans have a visceral feel for freedom and democracy, and have seen how the wars of the former yugoslavia have played out. they have strongly supported freedom for slovenia, croatia, bosnia, macedonia, montenegro... and now kosovo/a. the main support for the serbian nationalist position comes from their diaspora community, heavily influenced by their church, and by extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing groups, which have merged into a bizarre conglomeration of paranoid, conspiracy-theorists, like anti-war.com, etc.
i have a feeling that despite thier president, most czechs are freedom loving people, and want to share their freedom and independence with the people of kosova. again, thank you!
He reminded the readers of the Czech Republic's most influential newspaper that as the Warsaw Pact troops entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, Yugoslavia was the only country to declare its own mobilization.
My dear president do you forget that for this act of Warsaw pact troops, Albania declind its membership from the pact, so do not forgaet that we have condemnd the act of brutality over the Czechoslovakia.
Anyway we thank the people of Czech Republic for the reckognition of the newest state in the World.
Grettings from Prishtina
and, once again thanks a lot for your cynical comments, they help Serbia very much!
(Jovan, 24 May 2008 19:20)
you are welcome, Jovan! we are just commenting to help you, there's no other reason : )
concerning the article of th president of Czech Republic: one in his position must know what he is, either president or not. his article gives an evidence that he is in doubt about this question.
he was not voted directly by the citizens of Czech Republic directly. the way he was re-elected, had a touch of political farce, his backing of the population is marginal.
Few of the countries that have recognized Kosovos UDI have taken pleasure of it. But it is a thing most of them had to do. Kosovo simply could not remaine part of Serbia. That is all thet is. Hope the Serbian people understand that soone rather than later.
Well I can see that our Serbian counterpart is still living on his “daydream” and believes that actually Serbia is going to govern Kosova AGAIN!!!
However, on a more serious note I would like just to point out to you, Jovane, that your ethnocentrism approach to this particular problem leads you where? Please keep this in mid when you answer the above question “ Extreme ethnocentrism expressed in culturally/ethnically sanctioned intolerance of other cultures/ethnicities leads on occasions to war or genocide”
may I express my gratitude to our k-albanian friends for their comments!
by belittling the words of Mr.Klaus, you are just showing your true colors, your character, so to say.
that is great, since it is the best thing you can do to help Serbia to re-integrate it´s southern province!
the Czech people will certainly take notice of the albanian arrogance...
but, what I still have not understood, WHAT is the reason for that arrogance... I mean, which achievements has the world had from the Albanians?
please, don´t start again with those dreams and illusions you´re usually posting here about the first man on the moon being an Albanian... or the illyrians being your descendants... :)
facts please!
and, once again thanks a lot for your cynical comments, they help Serbia very much!
See this is the opinion in most of Europe... which is why in theory I'm not against Serbia joining the EU.
Problem is... the EU's leaders do not actually represent the view of the people (isn't that Democracy 101?) because most Czechs, French, Italians (who the Albanians boast about being their "brothers"), Spaniards, Portuguese and almost all other countries in Europe reject Kosovo independence.
IF this is real democracy then we should have a referendum in every EU country weather they choose to recognize or not.
If that happened... I guarentee you.. only Albania... maybe Croatia would vote in favor of it.
I was ashamed by polish invasion of Zaolzie in 1938 at the time when Hitler annexed Sudetenland, I was ashamed by participation of Polish Peoples Army in braking of "Prague Spring" in March 1968, I was ashamed by recognition of UDI of Kosovo by puppet government of Poland and with all my heart I supported Czech Parliament Declaration about NOT recognition of that.
Why the Czech FM said: "Meanwhile, the Czech foreign minister expressed regret over the Serbian ambassador's departure, but added his government had no choice but to recognize the secession."
Dear FM, would you please explain it in details? Why you didn't have the choice? Did you have to against the will of Czech peoples? The same as Polish (?) government?
Dear Serbian friends. Let me say may deapest sorry for recognition of our government. I returned yeasterday from journey around Kosovo and Metohija. I was so ashamed on Wednesday while leaving Visoki Decani monastir and learn what my government done. Albanian stones hitting the glass some 1 meter from my head were something like reminder that I am free man and it is my freedom not to recognize state like this. Please belive that majority of Czechs did not welcome this bad decision.
Dear Serbian friends, let me join the apologies for the recent step of our government.
My reasons are:
- the evidences of UÇK crimes have not been put into question
- the evidences of ethnical cleansing of non-albanian ppl in Kosovo are going to be lost or expired
- the rules of UN have not been kept, which makes the UN even more useless
- malicious precedence for other minorities all over the region that they can build their state on dead neighbours.
I hope i can find a way to put my humble powers for justice and humanity. Best regards J.V.
I think the proof is in the pudding what Mr Klaus said. Prague's recognition of Pristina's UDD came not from the free will of the Czech people and Czech government, but from the diktats of Brussels and Washington. So much for a democratic EU. I'm amazed that Greece, Portugal, Spain, Slovakia, Malta, Cyprus and Romania have resisted the pressure up to now. Who will be the first to bow?
A clear signal to Serbia to stay out of this monstrosity. What happens when Brussels comes a knocking in Novi Sad?
If this is what Pristina's UDD has come down to - threats, bribes etc. then truly the K-Albanian camp have lost the moral argument.
Meanwhile, the Czech foreign minister expressed regret over the Serbian ambassador's departure, but added his government had no choice but to recognize the secession.
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My sympathies go out to the Czech people who are now loyal servants of the US. It goes to show how unnatural Kosovo's recognition is when done under extreme pressure.
However, what is even more interesting is that the recognition is still not legal. Lets see if the President appoints an ambassador.
This will truly test whether they can get off their knees.
You make some interesting and intelligent points about historical allegiance of different peoples at different times.
Being an intelligent person however, you should know that the majority of the American public makes their decisions on foreign affairs based on what they see on television or read in newspapers. We all know how easily manipulated the American media and through it the public can be. All that is necessary are a “reliable source” and a few key words like Al-Qaeda, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Enriched Uranium, Genocide and Ethnic cleansing. That’s when the feelings of freedom and democracy get revved up and hi ho, hi ho, off to war we go.
Oh well, back to being frustrated at the fact that people, I among them, only see what they want to see. Since perception is reality for most people it is extremely unfortunate that the perception of Serbs and Albanians is so drastically different.
I was really ashamed to hear the Czech President Klaus saying that he was ashamed of recognition of Kosova by the Czech Republic. Remember Albania withdrew from the Warsaw Pact in 1968 just because of Soviet invasion of former Czechoslovakia. So much for the shame!!! Why Czech Republic recognized Eritrea and Timor Leste
Czech people are free now, to serve new masters EUSSR (sometimes called Eutopia) and USSA (United Soviet State of America sometimes called empire).
Easter people can not live without serving someone. Czech people should remember, sooner then later they will be in Serbs shoes.
(Czechs do not have their own industries, Czechs resources were already sold out). Germans are American protégées (they already screwed Serbs), be aware.
Consolation is: all eastern countries are al screwed by west.
Good luck on eastern front (red meat)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the issue here is that states may "officially" recognize Kosovo's UDD, but individuals are free to think what they wish. The United States was one of the first to recognize, but I can put money on the fact that of the enitre US population, 10% support such a move, another 10% are against it, and the remaining 80% couldn't care less.
So too with other states that have recognized. What this means is that even if a state recognizes Kosovo, that does not translate into a general feeling of the people of said state (Albania being the main exception of this).
I, like many others, share President Klaus' sentiments in being ashamed for what their respective country officially did. The Serbs I relate to in BG know this and they understand.
Vaclav Klaus, while respected in Czech Republic for all the good reasons ('Euro realist' approach to the EU integration as opposed to a naive 'all for EU' one, opposition to the 'Environmentalism' as a new extreme left agenda to conquer the world after the death of communism etc.), is also well known for being one of the first Western leaders who went to the former Yugoslavia and shook hands with the dictator Slobodan Milosevic. We all know (we do if we want to know) what evil Milosevic and his comrades have managed to do to the nations of the former YU, including Serbia. So, in this sense, please always bear this in mind when hearing that Klaus said this, Klaus said that. He has almost no executive power in the country and the country conservative governmet clearly stated that we do recognize Kosovo as the newest and independent state in Europe and that is something I can only agree to as everyone (who wants to know) knows there's really no alternative to that (and Serbia itself is much better off without Kosovo anyway, please realize that!). All the Best to all good people anywhere!:)
Somebody mentioned that politician should have no emotions. Another one mentioned 'melodrama` yet another martyrdom...
Yet fact remains that Kosovo UDI was primarily 'pushed' through based on - sentimentality! There was not much reason in such course - but emotions (magnified to huge proportions) decided the course of US and the rest more or less obediently -followed.
The coming elections in US may change this policy which is based on sentimentality, so far.
To the Albanian supporters I say. How much proof do you need to accept that your illegal UDI was forced down many government's thorats.
Yes, many countries were obviously bullied into accepting your illegal state. When you are in a partnership with people who hold all the cards as you are only a minority share holder then you have to do as you're told.
This is exactly what the EU is. A partnership which is made up of big shareholders and insignificant shareholders.
It's time this unfair organisation is dismembered as clearly many partners are not happy.
This is shameful. Very, very shameful beyond belief. Schwarzenberg claims the Czech government had no choice. I guess this is his way of admitting he is nothing but a lap dog to foreign interests, and is not there to serve the Czech people's wishes, but the wishes of Germans and Americans. Shame. Remember Sudetenland? This is no different. No different at all. We Serbs know that the Czech people are with us.
As for comment
"...his backing of the population is marginal" - here is the article from "Prague Daily Monitor" (Feb.2008)titled -Poll: Czechs slightly favour Klaus
http://www.praguemonitor.com/en/269/czech_politics/18360/
So we can see that more then half of Czechs back their president...not at all maginal.
While the CZ government claims there was no alternative to recognize the UDI (while cca 85 % of CZ oposes the recognition!), the Slovak leadership expressed that SK will never recognize Kosovo.
I feel the heritor of the Czechoslovak ethos turns to be Slovakia! Thank you Slovaks for the loyalty to the values of old Czechoslovakia.
One can imagine how do we feel for our government and state.
For me, such as for Belgrade or Bratislava, nothing has changed. Kosovo is and always will be Serbia.
Tomas, Brno, CZ
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