Serb Radical Party (SRS) official Milorad Mirčić says the SRS was unhappy with the manner in which the SAA was signed, not the contents of the agreement.
bganon, i have been reading b92's nessage boards for months now, and i have to honestly say that your comments consist of the most objective analysis of what is actually going on in Serbia and what should happen. My friend, you need to run for president!!!
I don't know if there is another Bganon, but one posted an oppinion on this news article when it was published on may 8th. If there is no other Bganaon, I wonder why you would deny it.
Without further ado here is your link:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=08&nav_id=50059
In the Article Tadic slammed Kostunica for propaganda and promised that the accompanying document was to be released that day-yet it has not been.
Remarkably B92 has not followed up :-).
I ask B92 Where is this special electronic document that the DSS was using as a "propaganda ploy"- what does it say.
Only the good lord, the devil and his EU helpers know what Tadic agreed to that day.
I don't really care how popular the SAA is, the Prime Minister of Serbia would not sign it and did not give capacity to his deputy; in this form Serbia's signature can not be enforced until a parliment ratifies the agreement.
Today's Bganaon suggested that Kostunica should have seen the document before he opposed it, and I say that Serbia should oppose the document untill Europe clarifies which Serbian borders it recognizes with respect to the SAA.
I think Mr. Kostunica's resolve is stronger than Mr. Palma's and Mr. Tadic's, but we shall see what Mr. Nikolic and Mr. Dacic have to offer the situation.
I admire Kostunica and Ilic's resolve, it is the true face of Serbia
bganon, whatever are you talking about? When did I ever say SPS was against the SAA? I have always maintained that the SPS had EU desires but without Hague co-operation, that will be short lived. You see, the SPS policy is for voluntary co-operation so there will be no handing over of Mladic.
So my question again, what does the SAA offer Serbia if there is no Hague co-operation? What's the point of it?
It is a dud deal and always will be one. It doesn't offer Serbia anything but the sale of Kosovo.
Serbia cannot join the EU and still expect Kosovo to be recognised within its borders. That should be clear.
Since the occupiers could not get international recognition, the plan was to engineer Kosovo's solution within the EU, where the majority of members have recognised it.
Like I said, lets wait and see what happens with the deal but I'm sure the DSS will do what they can to stop the SAA.
Marko - oh its prudence now?
I thought the SAA equals the recognition of Kosovo.
I don't know that this document even exists. If you provide a link to this DS confirmation of such a document and promise to release it, it would be helpful.
Perhaps it would have been equally prudent for those attacking the document and insisting on nullifying it, to have waited until they see it, provided it exists?
I'm glad at least SRS have come to their senses on the issue.
ZK only some hours ago you were claiming that DS was isolated and that SPS was against SAA. Now that DSS are on their own on wanting to nulify SAA, you are scrambling to a fall back position.
Not so fast. Some of your statements in the last couple of weeks on the SAA concerning Kosovo have been well over the top. If SPS and its allies do vote for SAA, if SRS does vote SAA or if even DSS does vote SAA I fully expect you to either accuse these parties of wanting to sell or trade Kosovo, as you put it, or for you to admit you fell for DSS campaign propaganda. You have to be principled or consistent on this. I would not hesitate in doing so were I to get it wrong. To be clear either the passing of the SAA in parliament is the recognition or sale of Kosovo, or it never was.
So now its Hague co-operation?
Well, if there is a SRS/SPS/DSS government then what you are saying is true. The document can be ratified this end, but may not be finalised by the EU if Mladic etc is not resolved.
However, if there is a DS/SPS government then don't expect SPS to cause a fuss in concluding Mladic and company - it will be part of the government deal.
Bagnon, the attached document to the SAA has never been released and the DSS caution to what the attached document may contain is completely justified. The DS promised to release the contents of the document the day before election silence, but to my knowledge they have not done so. Bganon-Regardless of the contents of the attached document, I think being prudent in such matters is wiser than popular political oppinion, don't you?
bganon, can you let me know what the SAA offers Serbia when the SPS, DSS and SRS have all said that Hague co-operation will be voluntary or non-existent.
In that case, the main condition would not be met so the SAA is just a worthless piece of paper.
So what's the point of having it when it strengthens the EU position on Kosovo's independence? What does it offer Serbia?
At this point in time, we will just have to wait until negotiations between the parties are over to determine the position on the SAA but I certainly hope that it doesn't get ratified.
Interesting. Now it looks as if SRS may be paving the way for the signing of the SAA.
Their position is more moderate that DSS on this issue which have stated their desire to 'nulify' the SAA on grounds that it is recognition of Kosovo.
I think that SRS' objections on this issue, cited in the article, are reasonable - now that they have clarified, to some degree.
On the other hand I think the SAA election rhetoric of DSS was completely unreasonable and untruthful and it looks as if that party has now painted itself into a corner.
After all DSS is now the only party represented in parliament that supports the nulification of SAA.
Interesting. Now it looks as if SRS may be paving the way for the signing of the SAA.
Their position is more moderate that DSS on this issue which have stated their desire to 'nulify' the SAA on grounds that it is recognition of Kosovo.
I think that SRS' objections on this issue, cited in the article, are reasonable - now that they have clarified, to some degree.
On the other hand I think the SAA election rhetoric of DSS was completely unreasonable and untruthful and it looks as if that party has now painted itself into a corner.
After all DSS is now the only party represented in parliament that supports the nulification of SAA.
ZK only some hours ago you were claiming that DS was isolated and that SPS was against SAA. Now that DSS are on their own on wanting to nulify SAA, you are scrambling to a fall back position.
Not so fast. Some of your statements in the last couple of weeks on the SAA concerning Kosovo have been well over the top. If SPS and its allies do vote for SAA, if SRS does vote SAA or if even DSS does vote SAA I fully expect you to either accuse these parties of wanting to sell or trade Kosovo, as you put it, or for you to admit you fell for DSS campaign propaganda. You have to be principled or consistent on this. I would not hesitate in doing so were I to get it wrong. To be clear either the passing of the SAA in parliament is the recognition or sale of Kosovo, or it never was.
So now its Hague co-operation?
Well, if there is a SRS/SPS/DSS government then what you are saying is true. The document can be ratified this end, but may not be finalised by the EU if Mladic etc is not resolved.
However, if there is a DS/SPS government then don't expect SPS to cause a fuss in concluding Mladic and company - it will be part of the government deal.
Bagnon, the attached document to the SAA has never been released and the DSS caution to what the attached document may contain is completely justified. The DS promised to release the contents of the document the day before election silence, but to my knowledge they have not done so. Bganon-Regardless of the contents of the attached document, I think being prudent in such matters is wiser than popular political oppinion, don't you?
Marko - oh its prudence now?
I thought the SAA equals the recognition of Kosovo.
I don't know that this document even exists. If you provide a link to this DS confirmation of such a document and promise to release it, it would be helpful.
Perhaps it would have been equally prudent for those attacking the document and insisting on nullifying it, to have waited until they see it, provided it exists?
I'm glad at least SRS have come to their senses on the issue.
bganon, can you let me know what the SAA offers Serbia when the SPS, DSS and SRS have all said that Hague co-operation will be voluntary or non-existent.
In that case, the main condition would not be met so the SAA is just a worthless piece of paper.
So what's the point of having it when it strengthens the EU position on Kosovo's independence? What does it offer Serbia?
At this point in time, we will just have to wait until negotiations between the parties are over to determine the position on the SAA but I certainly hope that it doesn't get ratified.
bganon, whatever are you talking about? When did I ever say SPS was against the SAA? I have always maintained that the SPS had EU desires but without Hague co-operation, that will be short lived. You see, the SPS policy is for voluntary co-operation so there will be no handing over of Mladic.
So my question again, what does the SAA offer Serbia if there is no Hague co-operation? What's the point of it?
It is a dud deal and always will be one. It doesn't offer Serbia anything but the sale of Kosovo.
Serbia cannot join the EU and still expect Kosovo to be recognised within its borders. That should be clear.
Since the occupiers could not get international recognition, the plan was to engineer Kosovo's solution within the EU, where the majority of members have recognised it.
Like I said, lets wait and see what happens with the deal but I'm sure the DSS will do what they can to stop the SAA.
I don't know if there is another Bganon, but one posted an oppinion on this news article when it was published on may 8th. If there is no other Bganaon, I wonder why you would deny it.
Without further ado here is your link:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=08&nav_id=50059
In the Article Tadic slammed Kostunica for propaganda and promised that the accompanying document was to be released that day-yet it has not been.
Remarkably B92 has not followed up :-).
I ask B92 Where is this special electronic document that the DSS was using as a "propaganda ploy"- what does it say.
Only the good lord, the devil and his EU helpers know what Tadic agreed to that day.
I don't really care how popular the SAA is, the Prime Minister of Serbia would not sign it and did not give capacity to his deputy; in this form Serbia's signature can not be enforced until a parliment ratifies the agreement.
Today's Bganaon suggested that Kostunica should have seen the document before he opposed it, and I say that Serbia should oppose the document untill Europe clarifies which Serbian borders it recognizes with respect to the SAA.
I think Mr. Kostunica's resolve is stronger than Mr. Palma's and Mr. Tadic's, but we shall see what Mr. Nikolic and Mr. Dacic have to offer the situation.
I admire Kostunica and Ilic's resolve, it is the true face of Serbia
bganon, i have been reading b92's nessage boards for months now, and i have to honestly say that your comments consist of the most objective analysis of what is actually going on in Serbia and what should happen. My friend, you need to run for president!!!
ZK only some hours ago you were claiming that DS was isolated and that SPS was against SAA. Now that DSS are on their own on wanting to nulify SAA, you are scrambling to a fall back position.
Not so fast. Some of your statements in the last couple of weeks on the SAA concerning Kosovo have been well over the top. If SPS and its allies do vote for SAA, if SRS does vote SAA or if even DSS does vote SAA I fully expect you to either accuse these parties of wanting to sell or trade Kosovo, as you put it, or for you to admit you fell for DSS campaign propaganda. You have to be principled or consistent on this. I would not hesitate in doing so were I to get it wrong. To be clear either the passing of the SAA in parliament is the recognition or sale of Kosovo, or it never was.
So now its Hague co-operation?
Well, if there is a SRS/SPS/DSS government then what you are saying is true. The document can be ratified this end, but may not be finalised by the EU if Mladic etc is not resolved.
However, if there is a DS/SPS government then don't expect SPS to cause a fuss in concluding Mladic and company - it will be part of the government deal.
Marko - oh its prudence now?
I thought the SAA equals the recognition of Kosovo.
I don't know that this document even exists. If you provide a link to this DS confirmation of such a document and promise to release it, it would be helpful.
Perhaps it would have been equally prudent for those attacking the document and insisting on nullifying it, to have waited until they see it, provided it exists?
I'm glad at least SRS have come to their senses on the issue.
Interesting. Now it looks as if SRS may be paving the way for the signing of the SAA.
Their position is more moderate that DSS on this issue which have stated their desire to 'nulify' the SAA on grounds that it is recognition of Kosovo.
I think that SRS' objections on this issue, cited in the article, are reasonable - now that they have clarified, to some degree.
On the other hand I think the SAA election rhetoric of DSS was completely unreasonable and untruthful and it looks as if that party has now painted itself into a corner.
After all DSS is now the only party represented in parliament that supports the nulification of SAA.
Bagnon, the attached document to the SAA has never been released and the DSS caution to what the attached document may contain is completely justified. The DS promised to release the contents of the document the day before election silence, but to my knowledge they have not done so. Bganon-Regardless of the contents of the attached document, I think being prudent in such matters is wiser than popular political oppinion, don't you?
bganon, can you let me know what the SAA offers Serbia when the SPS, DSS and SRS have all said that Hague co-operation will be voluntary or non-existent.
In that case, the main condition would not be met so the SAA is just a worthless piece of paper.
So what's the point of having it when it strengthens the EU position on Kosovo's independence? What does it offer Serbia?
At this point in time, we will just have to wait until negotiations between the parties are over to determine the position on the SAA but I certainly hope that it doesn't get ratified.
bganon, whatever are you talking about? When did I ever say SPS was against the SAA? I have always maintained that the SPS had EU desires but without Hague co-operation, that will be short lived. You see, the SPS policy is for voluntary co-operation so there will be no handing over of Mladic.
So my question again, what does the SAA offer Serbia if there is no Hague co-operation? What's the point of it?
It is a dud deal and always will be one. It doesn't offer Serbia anything but the sale of Kosovo.
Serbia cannot join the EU and still expect Kosovo to be recognised within its borders. That should be clear.
Since the occupiers could not get international recognition, the plan was to engineer Kosovo's solution within the EU, where the majority of members have recognised it.
Like I said, lets wait and see what happens with the deal but I'm sure the DSS will do what they can to stop the SAA.
I don't know if there is another Bganon, but one posted an oppinion on this news article when it was published on may 8th. If there is no other Bganaon, I wonder why you would deny it.
Without further ado here is your link:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=08&nav_id=50059
In the Article Tadic slammed Kostunica for propaganda and promised that the accompanying document was to be released that day-yet it has not been.
Remarkably B92 has not followed up :-).
I ask B92 Where is this special electronic document that the DSS was using as a "propaganda ploy"- what does it say.
Only the good lord, the devil and his EU helpers know what Tadic agreed to that day.
I don't really care how popular the SAA is, the Prime Minister of Serbia would not sign it and did not give capacity to his deputy; in this form Serbia's signature can not be enforced until a parliment ratifies the agreement.
Today's Bganaon suggested that Kostunica should have seen the document before he opposed it, and I say that Serbia should oppose the document untill Europe clarifies which Serbian borders it recognizes with respect to the SAA.
I think Mr. Kostunica's resolve is stronger than Mr. Palma's and Mr. Tadic's, but we shall see what Mr. Nikolic and Mr. Dacic have to offer the situation.
I admire Kostunica and Ilic's resolve, it is the true face of Serbia
bganon, i have been reading b92's nessage boards for months now, and i have to honestly say that your comments consist of the most objective analysis of what is actually going on in Serbia and what should happen. My friend, you need to run for president!!!
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