Serbia stages walkout at Bulgaria summit

The whole thing has been stage-managed by the EU to allow Jeremic and Tadic to look as though they are standing up for Serbia and Kosovo.

People in Serbia still have a lot to learn about the dark arts of EU political manipulation and 'media management' (aka spin).

Good job Jeremic!

Nehat, what makes you think the Serbians have any interest in ruling the Albanians? Serbia has no such interests and has offered the Albanians self-rule in a more than autonomy but less than independence deal.

It is the Albanians/EU/US who are now delusional and believe they can somehow rule the Serbs. Now, that is not going to happen either.

The only solution is to accept the defacto partition where Serbians rule themselves and so do Albanians. A technical agreement must then be established (with UNMIK) for transport and access.

The Albanians can then believe they are independent with backing from 40 countries and Serbians can believe Kosovo is theirs with backing from 150 countries and international law.

But that's as far as it goes until the occupiers leave.

This is unfortunate that most countries in the EU no longer respect Serbia's territorial integrity. The Serbian people should now think a thousand times whether they will proceed in joining the EU club even thought it is clearly seen that this club disrespect Serbia's position on Kosovo. WILL YOU PEOPLE OF SERBIA CHOOSE MONEY (FROM EU) FOR HONOR & PRIDE??

Mr Jeremic seems totally committed to the Kosovo issue and the preservation of Serbia's territorial integrity. Are the rest of his party as committed? I would be interested in what DS supporters would have to say about this. bganon, for example.

I don't see why these albanians were allowed to attend the meeting in first place, therefore to allow them to talk is not an option.
Well done Jeremic!

Willie Garvin and bganon,

Thank you for your responses to my question.

I do not know Vuk Jeremic personally but his speeches at various international forums over the months have been brilliant. If he was leader of DS I would have more faith in them. I think Tadic has completely lost the plot.

Willie, you might be an "old cynic" but you talk a lot of sense.

bganon, your post is very considered and delves into deep and important issues. What is probably most relevant is that most of the Serb posters (or friends) on this site have the interests of Serbia at heart. But with very different means to achieve those aims.

When I go to Serbia I see the same kind of people that I see here in Ireland. Educated, intelligent, passionate and engaged. Unfortunately the country is deeply divided. To be honest, I don't give a damn who is in power as long as they do not betray the people. This can happen in two ways. The material wellbeing of the citizens may be ignored or the sovereignty of the state can be undermined.

Yes, partition of Kosovo may be the only achievable aim in the short term. Maybe the "least worst" option. But you need a government that will hold firm on the rights of the Kosovan Serbs. When Ireland was divided in 1921 the government in the South abandoned our own people in the North. We all know what happened later.

So, good luck to all and I look forward to the emergence of a strong and prosperous Serbia.

Although there are albanians and western folks here who are saying that Kosovo is a DONE DEAL we should respect their view about it. But I think as long as Serbia has the determination and the will to assert it’s right to Kosovo In the end it will win. At the moment Serbia should go EAST rather than WEST coz the WEST are cheating them.

Mr.Jeremic with all due respect the Kosovo question is allready a done deal. I think you are a little bit late on that matter. You can not stop Kosovo independence because that matter i history. Kosovo is allready an independent state.


I think you are making your last effort to change somthing but that won't help as long as US is the biggest world power. The only thing you are achiving with your so called efforts is stoping the devolepment of Kosovo and making it hard for the citizens there to get a better life. Both serbs and albanians.

Both you and me knows that Kosovo is a done deal Mr.jeremic. Cant we just move on and start a better life now ?

Serbia, let Balkan be free and stop chaising the past.

Mr.Jeremic with all due respect the Kosovo question is allready a done deal. I think you are a little bit late on that matter. You can not stop Kosovo independence because that matter i history. Kosovo is allready an independent state.


I think you are making your last effort to change somthing but that won't help as long as US is the biggest world power. The only thing you are achiving with your so called efforts is stoping the devolepment of Kosovo and making it hard for the citizens there to get a better life. Both serbs and albanians.

Both you and me knows that Kosovo is a done deal Mr.jeremic. Cant we just move on and start a better life now ?

Serbia, let Balkan be free and stop chaising the past.
(Demi, 21 May 2008 12:29)

Too funny. You just continue to believe the US will be your saviour, but who will save the US when it begins to collapse under the weight of its own debt.

Many people are lead into the perception that the US is the largest. I'm sorry to say that they aren't. They are desperatly trying to stave off their currency from collapsing through the manipulation of the oil pricing. You should be aware that Iran and Russia have ceased using the US dollar in favour of the Euro for trading in oil. This is the main reason why the US invaded Iraq, it did the same thing and why they are looking for reasons to invade Iran. To further their dilema, the Sub Prime loans debacle is further eroding the US dollar.They have not become a banan republic yet, but the main ingredients are in place. Were just waiting for the right chef to come along to cook the US's goose.

Never walk out! And if you've already walked out before, never walk out again. Leaving gives the floor to the opponent and signals your own impotence.

Object, appeal, disrupt, or come up with even a single ally in the whole of Europe who will second a filibuster and then talk without stopping till the end of the day. But no matter what, never flee the field of battle.

Walkouts not only constitute an abject surrender, they also focus attention on the party that takes the floor immediately thereafter -- the very party you had sought to ban or silence.

Tadic and Jeremic and their gang are swinging in the political equivalent of girls' softball while the other side fires hardball straight strikes at them out of a revved up pitching machine.

I would say it was time for them to grow a backbone, but given the fact that they've been in power for years and have not progressed beyond a sigh and pathetic scowl as they walk out means that it is time for them to retire from the game completely.

It is high time for a new government for Serbia. Right away!

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch
Washington DC
john.b@imcnews.com

Tom and others, please stop rushing with your judgments.
I lost count how many times Mr. Jeremic has walked out of different type conferences so far. After all Serbia's wishes were ignoret completaly.Kosova is moving forward, while Serbia is lagging behind on every aspect.

Tom O'Donoghue,

It seems it's not just the average Serb who doesn't understand the political pantomine currently playing out in Bulgaria.

Jeremic is no more 'patriotic' than Mr Cheese himself (Chedder Jovanovic).

French FM is all smiles and congratulations for Serbia lean towards the EU. Serbia walks out of European conference. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?

Hyseni gets the chance to speak to the audiance. EU gets the chance to spin the illusion of inevitability of Kosovo independence (currently stalling) to the world and the Serbs in particular. Jeremic, ie DS stage walk out to demonstrate the illusion of being in control of their own destiny.

Away from the public eye, it's business as usual.

I know, I'm an old cynic!

Tom, ask and you shall receive :)

Please bear in mind though that I'm not a DS supporter. Currently they are the least worst option in my opinion. And it is the least worst option that I support. If you spoke to me during Bodrum I would have sounded like a G17 or DSS supporter. Had you spoken to me during the state of emergency I could also have been mistaken for a radical / dss - although immediately following the murder of Djindjic I may have sounded like LDP. Still,probably that is the profile of a DS supporter - studies show they are most likely to shift parties whereas the profile of SRS supporters is more like following a religion.

I think that Jeremic has been given a brief and its fortunate that he personally believes in it strongly. Thats why many people are impressed by his efforts (even DS critics). The large majority of DS supporters and leadership also support Kosovo within Serbia. Had LDP stayed within DS there would still be a majority supporting this position, although not so strongly. There may be a handful of DS members who would say 'lets forget Kosovo' but they are dwarfed the large majority who support partition of some kind.

The key issue is tricky. Its not so much whether a(ny) party supports territorial integrity. Its the problem of how to raise the issue of partition without being accused of selling out Kosovo.

We all know here realistically that there is not much chance that Serbia will retain control over all of Kosovo. But we also know that the situation on the ground speaks for itself. If the hand is played in the right way partition will likely follow.

DSS and SRS cannot afford to go public on partition because they are afraid of the reaction of their supporters. DS cannot because they will be accused of treachery at home and condemned by the internationals. Its ironic that Serbian parties are being cowardly on this issue - as known nationalist figures such as Dobrica Cosic have been advocating partition for years. Speak privately to most DSS/SRS supporters and they think partition is the best option as well. But they don't think Serbs are ready to hear it. I think they are wrong.

So instead we wait for Godot. Nothing constructive on the issue comes about. We talk about international law and hope by some miracle that Kosovo will remain in Serbia.

Even so, provided Serbia doesn't make wrong steps, partition is the most likely option.

My own opinion is that partition is the least worst option. In principle I don't support ethnic states but we know that, for now, neither community wants to live alongside the other. It will be years before this option becomes realistic for the reasons I outlined above.

That is why I believe it is VITAL that the boat is not rocked too much. All of Kosovo could still be lost.

representatives of Kosovo should shut up or the representatives of Serbia will walk out from the meeting ... is this the style of diplomacy of Serbia? okay, then walk out, Mr. Bonusmiles : ))

The Serbian Budget Committee for 2008-09 has allowed for extra 20$ to buy the CD "walk it out". The FM of Serbia is enjoying the CD a lot.

Jeremic walked out Czech Republic recognized.

willie, you hit that rusty old ugly nail right on the head. for a while now jeremic has played good cop to, for example, dragan-borders-dont-matter-sutanovac.
lets just see if they walk out of serbian government building as well.
thats a walkout i care to see.

It is unfortunate that the Czech republic had followed the unjust and unwise decision of the other 40 states but the point is as long as they have the backing of Russia and China. Kosovo will NEVER win a UN Seat therefore it is not an independent state

Isufi writes, "...Serbia's wishes were ignoret completaly"

Who is completely ignorant???

ok. boss keep this up and sure most of the EU and US will convert there decision and accept that the Kosovars will live under a serb government again. this is stupid. this needs to stop asap as at the end of the day the people are suffering as EU integration is not happening.

NIKOLIC should take over. serbia needs a strong man at these times if they want to get kosovo back. OTHERWISE kosovo is gone!

What is the point of leaving the conference? Kosovo question is a done deal. Germany, France, UK and USA have recognized Kosovo. What can possibly Serbia do to stop it. These countries are the economic engine of the world. They are the military muscle of the world. If they pass a decision it’s a done deal. A fate accompli so to say!

It is extremely unfortunate that Serbia does not have a moderate voice, a voice of reason. Serbia needs a Dr. Rugova type of politician. A soft and gentle human being! Is Serbia capable of producing such politician who could inspire hope and love amongst people?

With Radicals socialists, nationalists Chet nicks whatever they call themselves now a days I don’t see better days for Serbia.

In any event Kosovo government has a lot of work to do and they must roll their sleeves and get back to work. We have had enough of fighting and arguing - its time to move ahead and create a better future for our children. People no matter where they live they want to have a good job, healthcare, good school system for their kids. Kosovar politicians need to focus on these issues and forget this nonsense of who controls which territory. That decision has been made - unfortunately neither Kosovars nor Serbs were part of it. It was decided by Russians and Americans.

Presidents and prime ministers of South-East European countries will today come together at the summit.

Of course without Serbia ND WHO WON... KOSOVA Serbia must understand that it has lost it soo get on with the future

As a Foreign Minister, he could play the Schuman of Balkans by accepting Kosovo as a recognized independent country. Engage for reconiciliation and mutual cooperation for development!

In contrary to that, he chosen to play as a PEANUT.

You miss so many opportunities my little Minister!!! When you get aware that your energy is going in vain, as Kosovo will be a successful story in EU, it will be too late for you to understand what did you miss!

So far, you have been active in showing your negative side only! I'm sorry of you!

Jeremic can walk out of the meetings, but he cannot walk out of reality. Kosova is independent, Cezch Republic recognized Kosova's independence as well today. I believe all those who tried to walk out of reality are recognizing that Kosova is independent and are recognizing Kosova. Its in the best interests of all countries in EU to recognize Kosova and mark my words, they will all recognize it.

Peace.

Jeremic left and this is the sound that serbian diplomacy got at this summit Slap like a slap in the face... LOL i am loving it they will not cater to a country that has yet ti apologiese for horrible war crimes in this decade

Willie, absolutely correct. The veto is just for show. I suspect that most people who understand this game could smell it a mile away.

That fact that the final text is still to be finalised shows that the veto is premature and just a stunt.

Now, will I be glad once the new government is formed so I no longer have to read about these deceitful tricks.

A broken clock is right twice a day, that goes for Jeremic too.

Would this occur after an established DS government though, he would stay and applaud the organ/narco trafficking "state".

Move on....

The Serbian delegation walked out of the South-East Europe Cooperation Process summit in protest at a decision to allow Kosovo FM Skender Hyseni to speak.

You know, I love to comment on those events. It is so funny. Honorable Mr. Jeremic walk out of the South-East Europe Cooperation Process summit. You will see him or other Serbian PM whoever is going to be, to walk out of the summits more often in the near future. I suggest him just don’t go at all. Why bother? He is going to walk out anyways, so just stay home. Didn’t the ambassadors do the same thing? They were sent home to not be tired walking in and out of meetings and summits.
Another funny thing is that Jeremic also met with French counterpart Bernard Kouchner. Isn’t the same FM of France who was the first in line of defense and recognizing Kosovo?
Was Bernard Kouchner aware of what is going to happen and who is going to speak in summit? Wasn’t better to walk out on Kouchner too?
That’s why this is a true fairy tale of Serbian diplomacy who want to get whatever they can get out of Kosovo case.
Nikolic at least is honest to say that “fighting for Kosovo give me the power because I have nothing to offer Serbia neither economic plans nor any other field”. That’s why he doesn’t want to be PM because cannot run the government that’s make Kostunica very happy.

And what else mr jeremic & CO can do beside walking out of the sumit cry ??? at least he shouldn't have waste the plane tickets by going there at all,he knew what was going to happen anyway.I wonder what he's going to do next.

Dear all,

This is the beginning of this type of walkouts. We will see such type of walkout in every Western country that has recognised Kosovo.

A not suprisingly the number of countries recognising Kosovo is growing day by day.

It is pity for Serbian tax payers who pay their flight and accomodation for nothing.

A good lecture on how to waste money.

Sorry to ordinary ctizens of Serbia

Peace to all

Cheers

So much for your precious vetoes , Mr Jeremic:)

Re: NIKOLIC should take over. serbia needs a strong man at these times if they want to get kosovo back. OTHERWISE kosovo is gone!
(branco covic, 21 May 2008 13:42)

If this is your reason for wanting Nikolic to take over then I'll let you know now that your vote has gone down the drains.

re: (bganon, 21 May 2008 14:10)
It's good to see a Serb making more sense on the issue of Kosovo than Mike, Tom and other non-Serbs with their usual propaganda speach.

It's obvious that the Serbias stance on Kosova is getting irrelevant. Hence to walkout at Bulgaria summit is just a show.

I think that if you continua with this, wery soon we will see Serbia walking out from East River.

Kosova is Kosova, Serbia is Serbis. Two diffrenet things.

I must admit that it was amusing for me to hear that the Serbia delegation has walked out of the summit. That is showing how strong Serbian case is)))

Kosovo will NEVER win a UN Seat therefore it is not an independent state
(Joseph, 21 May 2008 21:33)

Joseph, I will have to remind you some things, and to prove that you are wrong: Firstly, becoming a UN member does not convert you to an independent state (for instance Swiss has joined the UN only in 2002, Germany in 1973 etc and they were independent for centuries), but recognition by other independent countries (does not mean all countries – for instance Israel is still not recognized by many Arabian countries) makes you an independent state.
Secondly, UN is just an organization created in order to keep peace in the world (even though not so successful), to reorganize the world economy in the right path, to protect the international human rights through the different instruments, to provide aid to countries in need etc.
So your theory is completely wrong, and whether you like it or not, Kosova is an independent country, and all what we do want is good neighborly relationship.

Cheers,

ZK UK; ask yourself what interest do the Albanians have in joining a country which has voted over 45% nationalist and socialists parties. Your offer is not viable, as the Kosovars/world knows that it will only take a crazy Nikolic to wake up one day and take away the so called self governed autonomy away from the Kosovars, simple there is no trust between us 'this is a path that is you laid down for many century's and that is the simple reason on why the Kosovars have chosen to taken their separate route.

I'm retreating is that your ideology is fraud as you are all nationalist who dream on the past but take no actions to direct your future.

It's a real comedy !

I understand Jeremic. probably it was his last chance for to collect bonus miles - one must do what he's able to do ...

by the way: he should have spent some bonus miles for a trip to Czech Republic last month.

Mr.Jeremic with all due respect the Kosovo question is allready a done deal. I think you are a little bit late on that matter. You can not stop Kosovo independence because that matter i history. Kosovo is allready an independent state.


I think you are making your last effort to change somthing but that won't help as long as US is the biggest world power. The only thing you are achiving with your so called efforts is stoping the devolepment of Kosovo and making it hard for the citizens there to get a better life. Both serbs and albanians.

Both you and me knows that Kosovo is a done deal Mr.jeremic. Cant we just move on and start a better life now ?

Serbia, let Balkan be free and stop chaising the past.

ok. boss keep this up and sure most of the EU and US will convert there decision and accept that the Kosovars will live under a serb government again. this is stupid. this needs to stop asap as at the end of the day the people are suffering as EU integration is not happening.

What is the point of leaving the conference? Kosovo question is a done deal. Germany, France, UK and USA have recognized Kosovo. What can possibly Serbia do to stop it. These countries are the economic engine of the world. They are the military muscle of the world. If they pass a decision it’s a done deal. A fate accompli so to say!

It is extremely unfortunate that Serbia does not have a moderate voice, a voice of reason. Serbia needs a Dr. Rugova type of politician. A soft and gentle human being! Is Serbia capable of producing such politician who could inspire hope and love amongst people?

With Radicals socialists, nationalists Chet nicks whatever they call themselves now a days I don’t see better days for Serbia.

In any event Kosovo government has a lot of work to do and they must roll their sleeves and get back to work. We have had enough of fighting and arguing - its time to move ahead and create a better future for our children. People no matter where they live they want to have a good job, healthcare, good school system for their kids. Kosovar politicians need to focus on these issues and forget this nonsense of who controls which territory. That decision has been made - unfortunately neither Kosovars nor Serbs were part of it. It was decided by Russians and Americans.

Presidents and prime ministers of South-East European countries will today come together at the summit.

Of course without Serbia ND WHO WON... KOSOVA Serbia must understand that it has lost it soo get on with the future

Tom and others, please stop rushing with your judgments.
I lost count how many times Mr. Jeremic has walked out of different type conferences so far. After all Serbia's wishes were ignoret completaly.Kosova is moving forward, while Serbia is lagging behind on every aspect.

As a Foreign Minister, he could play the Schuman of Balkans by accepting Kosovo as a recognized independent country. Engage for reconiciliation and mutual cooperation for development!

In contrary to that, he chosen to play as a PEANUT.

You miss so many opportunities my little Minister!!! When you get aware that your energy is going in vain, as Kosovo will be a successful story in EU, it will be too late for you to understand what did you miss!

So far, you have been active in showing your negative side only! I'm sorry of you!

Jeremic can walk out of the meetings, but he cannot walk out of reality. Kosova is independent, Cezch Republic recognized Kosova's independence as well today. I believe all those who tried to walk out of reality are recognizing that Kosova is independent and are recognizing Kosova. Its in the best interests of all countries in EU to recognize Kosova and mark my words, they will all recognize it.

Peace.

The Serbian delegation walked out of the South-East Europe Cooperation Process summit in protest at a decision to allow Kosovo FM Skender Hyseni to speak.

You know, I love to comment on those events. It is so funny. Honorable Mr. Jeremic walk out of the South-East Europe Cooperation Process summit. You will see him or other Serbian PM whoever is going to be, to walk out of the summits more often in the near future. I suggest him just don’t go at all. Why bother? He is going to walk out anyways, so just stay home. Didn’t the ambassadors do the same thing? They were sent home to not be tired walking in and out of meetings and summits.
Another funny thing is that Jeremic also met with French counterpart Bernard Kouchner. Isn’t the same FM of France who was the first in line of defense and recognizing Kosovo?
Was Bernard Kouchner aware of what is going to happen and who is going to speak in summit? Wasn’t better to walk out on Kouchner too?
That’s why this is a true fairy tale of Serbian diplomacy who want to get whatever they can get out of Kosovo case.
Nikolic at least is honest to say that “fighting for Kosovo give me the power because I have nothing to offer Serbia neither economic plans nor any other field”. That’s why he doesn’t want to be PM because cannot run the government that’s make Kostunica very happy.

representatives of Kosovo should shut up or the representatives of Serbia will walk out from the meeting ... is this the style of diplomacy of Serbia? okay, then walk out, Mr. Bonusmiles : ))

Jeremic left and this is the sound that serbian diplomacy got at this summit Slap like a slap in the face... LOL i am loving it they will not cater to a country that has yet ti apologiese for horrible war crimes in this decade

The Serbian Budget Committee for 2008-09 has allowed for extra 20$ to buy the CD "walk it out". The FM of Serbia is enjoying the CD a lot.

Jeremic walked out Czech Republic recognized.

It's obvious that the Serbias stance on Kosova is getting irrelevant. Hence to walkout at Bulgaria summit is just a show.

I think that if you continua with this, wery soon we will see Serbia walking out from East River.

Kosova is Kosova, Serbia is Serbis. Two diffrenet things.

I must admit that it was amusing for me to hear that the Serbia delegation has walked out of the summit. That is showing how strong Serbian case is)))

And what else mr jeremic & CO can do beside walking out of the sumit cry ??? at least he shouldn't have waste the plane tickets by going there at all,he knew what was going to happen anyway.I wonder what he's going to do next.

Mr.Jeremic with all due respect the Kosovo question is allready a done deal. I think you are a little bit late on that matter. You can not stop Kosovo independence because that matter i history. Kosovo is allready an independent state.


I think you are making your last effort to change somthing but that won't help as long as US is the biggest world power. The only thing you are achiving with your so called efforts is stoping the devolepment of Kosovo and making it hard for the citizens there to get a better life. Both serbs and albanians.

Both you and me knows that Kosovo is a done deal Mr.jeremic. Cant we just move on and start a better life now ?

Serbia, let Balkan be free and stop chaising the past.
(Demi, 21 May 2008 12:29)

Too funny. You just continue to believe the US will be your saviour, but who will save the US when it begins to collapse under the weight of its own debt.

Many people are lead into the perception that the US is the largest. I'm sorry to say that they aren't. They are desperatly trying to stave off their currency from collapsing through the manipulation of the oil pricing. You should be aware that Iran and Russia have ceased using the US dollar in favour of the Euro for trading in oil. This is the main reason why the US invaded Iraq, it did the same thing and why they are looking for reasons to invade Iran. To further their dilema, the Sub Prime loans debacle is further eroding the US dollar.They have not become a banan republic yet, but the main ingredients are in place. Were just waiting for the right chef to come along to cook the US's goose.

So much for your precious vetoes , Mr Jeremic:)

Isufi writes, "...Serbia's wishes were ignoret completaly"

Who is completely ignorant???

The whole thing has been stage-managed by the EU to allow Jeremic and Tadic to look as though they are standing up for Serbia and Kosovo.

People in Serbia still have a lot to learn about the dark arts of EU political manipulation and 'media management' (aka spin).

It is unfortunate that the Czech republic had followed the unjust and unwise decision of the other 40 states but the point is as long as they have the backing of Russia and China. Kosovo will NEVER win a UN Seat therefore it is not an independent state

Re: NIKOLIC should take over. serbia needs a strong man at these times if they want to get kosovo back. OTHERWISE kosovo is gone!
(branco covic, 21 May 2008 13:42)

If this is your reason for wanting Nikolic to take over then I'll let you know now that your vote has gone down the drains.

re: (bganon, 21 May 2008 14:10)
It's good to see a Serb making more sense on the issue of Kosovo than Mike, Tom and other non-Serbs with their usual propaganda speach.

Good job Jeremic!

Mr Jeremic seems totally committed to the Kosovo issue and the preservation of Serbia's territorial integrity. Are the rest of his party as committed? I would be interested in what DS supporters would have to say about this. bganon, for example.

Nehat, what makes you think the Serbians have any interest in ruling the Albanians? Serbia has no such interests and has offered the Albanians self-rule in a more than autonomy but less than independence deal.

It is the Albanians/EU/US who are now delusional and believe they can somehow rule the Serbs. Now, that is not going to happen either.

The only solution is to accept the defacto partition where Serbians rule themselves and so do Albanians. A technical agreement must then be established (with UNMIK) for transport and access.

The Albanians can then believe they are independent with backing from 40 countries and Serbians can believe Kosovo is theirs with backing from 150 countries and international law.

But that's as far as it goes until the occupiers leave.

It's a real comedy !

This is unfortunate that most countries in the EU no longer respect Serbia's territorial integrity. The Serbian people should now think a thousand times whether they will proceed in joining the EU club even thought it is clearly seen that this club disrespect Serbia's position on Kosovo. WILL YOU PEOPLE OF SERBIA CHOOSE MONEY (FROM EU) FOR HONOR & PRIDE??

I don't see why these albanians were allowed to attend the meeting in first place, therefore to allow them to talk is not an option.
Well done Jeremic!

Never walk out! And if you've already walked out before, never walk out again. Leaving gives the floor to the opponent and signals your own impotence.

Object, appeal, disrupt, or come up with even a single ally in the whole of Europe who will second a filibuster and then talk without stopping till the end of the day. But no matter what, never flee the field of battle.

Walkouts not only constitute an abject surrender, they also focus attention on the party that takes the floor immediately thereafter -- the very party you had sought to ban or silence.

Tadic and Jeremic and their gang are swinging in the political equivalent of girls' softball while the other side fires hardball straight strikes at them out of a revved up pitching machine.

I would say it was time for them to grow a backbone, but given the fact that they've been in power for years and have not progressed beyond a sigh and pathetic scowl as they walk out means that it is time for them to retire from the game completely.

It is high time for a new government for Serbia. Right away!

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch
Washington DC
john.b@imcnews.com

Dear all,

This is the beginning of this type of walkouts. We will see such type of walkout in every Western country that has recognised Kosovo.

A not suprisingly the number of countries recognising Kosovo is growing day by day.

It is pity for Serbian tax payers who pay their flight and accomodation for nothing.

A good lecture on how to waste money.

Sorry to ordinary ctizens of Serbia

Peace to all

Cheers

ZK UK; ask yourself what interest do the Albanians have in joining a country which has voted over 45% nationalist and socialists parties. Your offer is not viable, as the Kosovars/world knows that it will only take a crazy Nikolic to wake up one day and take away the so called self governed autonomy away from the Kosovars, simple there is no trust between us 'this is a path that is you laid down for many century's and that is the simple reason on why the Kosovars have chosen to taken their separate route.

I'm retreating is that your ideology is fraud as you are all nationalist who dream on the past but take no actions to direct your future.

Kosovo will NEVER win a UN Seat therefore it is not an independent state
(Joseph, 21 May 2008 21:33)

Joseph, I will have to remind you some things, and to prove that you are wrong: Firstly, becoming a UN member does not convert you to an independent state (for instance Swiss has joined the UN only in 2002, Germany in 1973 etc and they were independent for centuries), but recognition by other independent countries (does not mean all countries – for instance Israel is still not recognized by many Arabian countries) makes you an independent state.
Secondly, UN is just an organization created in order to keep peace in the world (even though not so successful), to reorganize the world economy in the right path, to protect the international human rights through the different instruments, to provide aid to countries in need etc.
So your theory is completely wrong, and whether you like it or not, Kosova is an independent country, and all what we do want is good neighborly relationship.

Cheers,

I understand Jeremic. probably it was his last chance for to collect bonus miles - one must do what he's able to do ...

by the way: he should have spent some bonus miles for a trip to Czech Republic last month.

Willie, absolutely correct. The veto is just for show. I suspect that most people who understand this game could smell it a mile away.

That fact that the final text is still to be finalised shows that the veto is premature and just a stunt.

Now, will I be glad once the new government is formed so I no longer have to read about these deceitful tricks.

A broken clock is right twice a day, that goes for Jeremic too.

Would this occur after an established DS government though, he would stay and applaud the organ/narco trafficking "state".

Move on....

Tom O'Donoghue,

It seems it's not just the average Serb who doesn't understand the political pantomine currently playing out in Bulgaria.

Jeremic is no more 'patriotic' than Mr Cheese himself (Chedder Jovanovic).

French FM is all smiles and congratulations for Serbia lean towards the EU. Serbia walks out of European conference. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?

Hyseni gets the chance to speak to the audiance. EU gets the chance to spin the illusion of inevitability of Kosovo independence (currently stalling) to the world and the Serbs in particular. Jeremic, ie DS stage walk out to demonstrate the illusion of being in control of their own destiny.

Away from the public eye, it's business as usual.

I know, I'm an old cynic!

NIKOLIC should take over. serbia needs a strong man at these times if they want to get kosovo back. OTHERWISE kosovo is gone!

Tom, ask and you shall receive :)

Please bear in mind though that I'm not a DS supporter. Currently they are the least worst option in my opinion. And it is the least worst option that I support. If you spoke to me during Bodrum I would have sounded like a G17 or DSS supporter. Had you spoken to me during the state of emergency I could also have been mistaken for a radical / dss - although immediately following the murder of Djindjic I may have sounded like LDP. Still,probably that is the profile of a DS supporter - studies show they are most likely to shift parties whereas the profile of SRS supporters is more like following a religion.

I think that Jeremic has been given a brief and its fortunate that he personally believes in it strongly. Thats why many people are impressed by his efforts (even DS critics). The large majority of DS supporters and leadership also support Kosovo within Serbia. Had LDP stayed within DS there would still be a majority supporting this position, although not so strongly. There may be a handful of DS members who would say 'lets forget Kosovo' but they are dwarfed the large majority who support partition of some kind.

The key issue is tricky. Its not so much whether a(ny) party supports territorial integrity. Its the problem of how to raise the issue of partition without being accused of selling out Kosovo.

We all know here realistically that there is not much chance that Serbia will retain control over all of Kosovo. But we also know that the situation on the ground speaks for itself. If the hand is played in the right way partition will likely follow.

DSS and SRS cannot afford to go public on partition because they are afraid of the reaction of their supporters. DS cannot because they will be accused of treachery at home and condemned by the internationals. Its ironic that Serbian parties are being cowardly on this issue - as known nationalist figures such as Dobrica Cosic have been advocating partition for years. Speak privately to most DSS/SRS supporters and they think partition is the best option as well. But they don't think Serbs are ready to hear it. I think they are wrong.

So instead we wait for Godot. Nothing constructive on the issue comes about. We talk about international law and hope by some miracle that Kosovo will remain in Serbia.

Even so, provided Serbia doesn't make wrong steps, partition is the most likely option.

My own opinion is that partition is the least worst option. In principle I don't support ethnic states but we know that, for now, neither community wants to live alongside the other. It will be years before this option becomes realistic for the reasons I outlined above.

That is why I believe it is VITAL that the boat is not rocked too much. All of Kosovo could still be lost.

willie, you hit that rusty old ugly nail right on the head. for a while now jeremic has played good cop to, for example, dragan-borders-dont-matter-sutanovac.
lets just see if they walk out of serbian government building as well.
thats a walkout i care to see.

Willie Garvin and bganon,

Thank you for your responses to my question.

I do not know Vuk Jeremic personally but his speeches at various international forums over the months have been brilliant. If he was leader of DS I would have more faith in them. I think Tadic has completely lost the plot.

Willie, you might be an "old cynic" but you talk a lot of sense.

bganon, your post is very considered and delves into deep and important issues. What is probably most relevant is that most of the Serb posters (or friends) on this site have the interests of Serbia at heart. But with very different means to achieve those aims.

When I go to Serbia I see the same kind of people that I see here in Ireland. Educated, intelligent, passionate and engaged. Unfortunately the country is deeply divided. To be honest, I don't give a damn who is in power as long as they do not betray the people. This can happen in two ways. The material wellbeing of the citizens may be ignored or the sovereignty of the state can be undermined.

Yes, partition of Kosovo may be the only achievable aim in the short term. Maybe the "least worst" option. But you need a government that will hold firm on the rights of the Kosovan Serbs. When Ireland was divided in 1921 the government in the South abandoned our own people in the North. We all know what happened later.

So, good luck to all and I look forward to the emergence of a strong and prosperous Serbia.

Although there are albanians and western folks here who are saying that Kosovo is a DONE DEAL we should respect their view about it. But I think as long as Serbia has the determination and the will to assert it’s right to Kosovo In the end it will win. At the moment Serbia should go EAST rather than WEST coz the WEST are cheating them.