2ml in prison in Kosovo?
What are you talking about!
You know that is far from the truth!
Serbia was offering super autonomy to the lawless Albanians in Kosovo.
Living independently under the USA and the EU now that would be a prison. Think outside the box. Albanians will always have more "power" living in Serbia then independently. Ask yourself why and you will find the answer.
"Bosnia" may be "working" now but it is a matter of time before it breaks down. This is the start. RS will be annexed to Serbia!
Peter, up until now, Russia and Serbia are still abiding by international law as they have not recognised any entities in sovereign states.
However, what is evident is that as the US push for Kosovo independence, so will the Russians for South Ossetia and Abkhazia and Serbia for Republika Srpska.
That is the game being played. The US has to consider whether it is worth it.
The difference is that the US opened the can of worms and Russia and Serbia will take advantage of what it offers. Now that seems to be more than what the US will get.
You see, the warning of this being a precedent will be self-fulfilling.
I have argued in the past that this is a win-win situation for both Serbia and Russia.
Serbia gets to keep Kosovo (legally) but can gain Republika Srpska (by precedent). Russia also gets other entities by precedent.
I agree with you, the US acted very rashly and indeed opened a can of worms, but my argument is this: if Russia decides to take a similar stance towards Ossetia and Abkhazia (this particular one I can't understand, though Ossetia I can) from first laying the foundation for their secession and finally their independence, how are they acting different from the USA? They have stood behind international law up until now, if they push these Transnistrias, Karabakhs and Abkhazias further, they will be breaking the law the same as they accused the US of.
One of the major dangers of this is a new pseudo-iron curtain, with the major powers (Russia on the one side, US on the other) applying their ideologies on the smaller and weaker powers who have chosen to follow or side with them.
For Serbia, nothing worked better than the unaligned movement (OK, since the times of Emperor Dusan), I hope they don't support Russia in their dangerous games with Georgia and Moldova, as Russia is beginning to behave just like the United States, IMO.
Peter, a can of worms was opened the moment the US decided to recognise the IUDI. This isn't good but if international borders are no longer respected then this is one of the consequences.
Like I have said, this will be a costly mistake for the US.
@Ben
Bulgaria and EU :
"Bulgaria has already seen tens of millions of EU funds frozen amid fears of fraud. The figure of suspended aid could rise to billions when a European Commission monitoring report comes out this summer" i take this from a comment in the new "ECONOMIST" and remember that Frattini now is in Italy (new FM ), so not a trojan horse but a candidate to expulsion if things not change.....
Bulgaria and NATO :
Not a big problem until now their Military and Politicians haven't accession to the "main rooms" ,so if there is some old CCCP lovers, probably they can sell Pulcinella's secrets that Russian probably already know..
Russia is a full member of the Peace Implementation Council whose Steering Board oversees the OHR http://www.ohr.int/ It was decided that the OHR should aim to close on 30 June, 2008.
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia fulfils that target. Keep in mind that someone opened a costly can of worms.
@Ben
Yes ..Russia in reality wants this but i don't think that point 4,5 will ever happen..
i still think that many EUburecreats are playing cards with Serbs and other countries in WB about enlargment... regarding NATO i don't see any problems Serbia will never be a member at least in the next 20 years..
"It has already strengthened ties with South Ossetia and Abkhazia."
How is this a good thing?
When Abkhazia separated from Georgia, they ethnically cleansed 250 000 Georgians, burned 20 000 Georgian homes and massacred anywhere between 10 000 - 15 000 of them. Russia is aiding such a people? They level Chechnya with the ground for their separatism, but support Abkhazia with their's? Explain to me how Russia can possibly be worse than America with their support of Kosovo's Albanians, taking your perspective into account?
Russia is once again trying to mess up the situation in the Balkans.
But Putin has no say in the office of the High Representative, since it is controlled by the European Union. And the EU and NATO forces there don’t respond to the Kremlin or to Belgrade. Washington, Brussels and Sarajevo effectively controls the strucures of Bosnia.
Sorry, but Republika Srpska does not deserve independence and will never leave Bosnia or join Serbia — to be more exact, RS and Mitrovica will only be connected to Serbia when the nations of Kosovo, Bosnia and Serbia join the European Union... and NATO.
Ben: Yes, you might have a point. At least Russia prefers to have a goverment that do not suspend the SAA. Further, it is obvious the Russians feels that Serbs has been made scapegoats in the last 20 years, and that Russia has "failed" them.
For Georgia, the ocnflict is as much about oil and potential tourist industry as it is about land and ideas of origin. And to play some strategic cards in order to show the US and the EU that they should stop to treat Russia as a 3rd class power.
If the EU/US get the message and manages to reach comprehensive compromises is not yet clear, but the lesson can be painful. Russia has, at least at the moment, quite a clear backing of China, and a rather neutral stance in the Middle East. These are areas with raidly growing capabilites, and areas where the US and to some extent the EU wil only find enemies.
OHR should stay until BiH becomes a EU member before that somebody needs to be in contral while the squabbling goes on. Russia is out of touch and I guess has no soldiers on the ground.
I suspect the decision with regard to UNMIKs role in Kosovo in mid June will directly influence the role of the OHR in Bosnia in late June.
Seems Russia has the winning cards. It has already strengthened ties with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. It is pushing forward closer ties of Republika Srpska and Serbia and it has blocked Kosovo independence.
Whereas the EU/US seem only to have a truck full of rotting carrots.
I suspect the decision with regard to UNMIKs role in Kosovo in mid June will directly influence the role of the OHR in Bosnia in late June.
Seems Russia has the winning cards. It has already strengthened ties with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. It is pushing forward closer ties of Republika Srpska and Serbia and it has blocked Kosovo independence.
Whereas the EU/US seem only to have a truck full of rotting carrots.
Russia is a full member of the Peace Implementation Council whose Steering Board oversees the OHR http://www.ohr.int/ It was decided that the OHR should aim to close on 30 June, 2008.
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia fulfils that target. Keep in mind that someone opened a costly can of worms.
Peter, a can of worms was opened the moment the US decided to recognise the IUDI. This isn't good but if international borders are no longer respected then this is one of the consequences.
Like I have said, this will be a costly mistake for the US.
Ben: Yes, you might have a point. At least Russia prefers to have a goverment that do not suspend the SAA. Further, it is obvious the Russians feels that Serbs has been made scapegoats in the last 20 years, and that Russia has "failed" them.
For Georgia, the ocnflict is as much about oil and potential tourist industry as it is about land and ideas of origin. And to play some strategic cards in order to show the US and the EU that they should stop to treat Russia as a 3rd class power.
If the EU/US get the message and manages to reach comprehensive compromises is not yet clear, but the lesson can be painful. Russia has, at least at the moment, quite a clear backing of China, and a rather neutral stance in the Middle East. These are areas with raidly growing capabilites, and areas where the US and to some extent the EU wil only find enemies.
"It has already strengthened ties with South Ossetia and Abkhazia."
How is this a good thing?
When Abkhazia separated from Georgia, they ethnically cleansed 250 000 Georgians, burned 20 000 Georgian homes and massacred anywhere between 10 000 - 15 000 of them. Russia is aiding such a people? They level Chechnya with the ground for their separatism, but support Abkhazia with their's? Explain to me how Russia can possibly be worse than America with their support of Kosovo's Albanians, taking your perspective into account?
I agree with you, the US acted very rashly and indeed opened a can of worms, but my argument is this: if Russia decides to take a similar stance towards Ossetia and Abkhazia (this particular one I can't understand, though Ossetia I can) from first laying the foundation for their secession and finally their independence, how are they acting different from the USA? They have stood behind international law up until now, if they push these Transnistrias, Karabakhs and Abkhazias further, they will be breaking the law the same as they accused the US of.
One of the major dangers of this is a new pseudo-iron curtain, with the major powers (Russia on the one side, US on the other) applying their ideologies on the smaller and weaker powers who have chosen to follow or side with them.
For Serbia, nothing worked better than the unaligned movement (OK, since the times of Emperor Dusan), I hope they don't support Russia in their dangerous games with Georgia and Moldova, as Russia is beginning to behave just like the United States, IMO.
OHR should stay until BiH becomes a EU member before that somebody needs to be in contral while the squabbling goes on. Russia is out of touch and I guess has no soldiers on the ground.
@Ben
Yes ..Russia in reality wants this but i don't think that point 4,5 will ever happen..
i still think that many EUburecreats are playing cards with Serbs and other countries in WB about enlargment... regarding NATO i don't see any problems Serbia will never be a member at least in the next 20 years..
@Ben
Bulgaria and EU :
"Bulgaria has already seen tens of millions of EU funds frozen amid fears of fraud. The figure of suspended aid could rise to billions when a European Commission monitoring report comes out this summer" i take this from a comment in the new "ECONOMIST" and remember that Frattini now is in Italy (new FM ), so not a trojan horse but a candidate to expulsion if things not change.....
Bulgaria and NATO :
Not a big problem until now their Military and Politicians haven't accession to the "main rooms" ,so if there is some old CCCP lovers, probably they can sell Pulcinella's secrets that Russian probably already know..
Russia is once again trying to mess up the situation in the Balkans.
But Putin has no say in the office of the High Representative, since it is controlled by the European Union. And the EU and NATO forces there don’t respond to the Kremlin or to Belgrade. Washington, Brussels and Sarajevo effectively controls the strucures of Bosnia.
Sorry, but Republika Srpska does not deserve independence and will never leave Bosnia or join Serbia — to be more exact, RS and Mitrovica will only be connected to Serbia when the nations of Kosovo, Bosnia and Serbia join the European Union... and NATO.
Peter, up until now, Russia and Serbia are still abiding by international law as they have not recognised any entities in sovereign states.
However, what is evident is that as the US push for Kosovo independence, so will the Russians for South Ossetia and Abkhazia and Serbia for Republika Srpska.
That is the game being played. The US has to consider whether it is worth it.
The difference is that the US opened the can of worms and Russia and Serbia will take advantage of what it offers. Now that seems to be more than what the US will get.
You see, the warning of this being a precedent will be self-fulfilling.
I have argued in the past that this is a win-win situation for both Serbia and Russia.
Serbia gets to keep Kosovo (legally) but can gain Republika Srpska (by precedent). Russia also gets other entities by precedent.
2ml in prison in Kosovo?
What are you talking about!
You know that is far from the truth!
Serbia was offering super autonomy to the lawless Albanians in Kosovo.
Living independently under the USA and the EU now that would be a prison. Think outside the box. Albanians will always have more "power" living in Serbia then independently. Ask yourself why and you will find the answer.
"Bosnia" may be "working" now but it is a matter of time before it breaks down. This is the start. RS will be annexed to Serbia!
Russia is once again trying to mess up the situation in the Balkans.
But Putin has no say in the office of the High Representative, since it is controlled by the European Union. And the EU and NATO forces there don’t respond to the Kremlin or to Belgrade. Washington, Brussels and Sarajevo effectively controls the strucures of Bosnia.
Sorry, but Republika Srpska does not deserve independence and will never leave Bosnia or join Serbia — to be more exact, RS and Mitrovica will only be connected to Serbia when the nations of Kosovo, Bosnia and Serbia join the European Union... and NATO.
OHR should stay until BiH becomes a EU member before that somebody needs to be in contral while the squabbling goes on. Russia is out of touch and I guess has no soldiers on the ground.
"It has already strengthened ties with South Ossetia and Abkhazia."
How is this a good thing?
When Abkhazia separated from Georgia, they ethnically cleansed 250 000 Georgians, burned 20 000 Georgian homes and massacred anywhere between 10 000 - 15 000 of them. Russia is aiding such a people? They level Chechnya with the ground for their separatism, but support Abkhazia with their's? Explain to me how Russia can possibly be worse than America with their support of Kosovo's Albanians, taking your perspective into account?
I agree with you, the US acted very rashly and indeed opened a can of worms, but my argument is this: if Russia decides to take a similar stance towards Ossetia and Abkhazia (this particular one I can't understand, though Ossetia I can) from first laying the foundation for their secession and finally their independence, how are they acting different from the USA? They have stood behind international law up until now, if they push these Transnistrias, Karabakhs and Abkhazias further, they will be breaking the law the same as they accused the US of.
One of the major dangers of this is a new pseudo-iron curtain, with the major powers (Russia on the one side, US on the other) applying their ideologies on the smaller and weaker powers who have chosen to follow or side with them.
For Serbia, nothing worked better than the unaligned movement (OK, since the times of Emperor Dusan), I hope they don't support Russia in their dangerous games with Georgia and Moldova, as Russia is beginning to behave just like the United States, IMO.
I suspect the decision with regard to UNMIKs role in Kosovo in mid June will directly influence the role of the OHR in Bosnia in late June.
Seems Russia has the winning cards. It has already strengthened ties with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. It is pushing forward closer ties of Republika Srpska and Serbia and it has blocked Kosovo independence.
Whereas the EU/US seem only to have a truck full of rotting carrots.
@Ben
Yes ..Russia in reality wants this but i don't think that point 4,5 will ever happen..
i still think that many EUburecreats are playing cards with Serbs and other countries in WB about enlargment... regarding NATO i don't see any problems Serbia will never be a member at least in the next 20 years..
2ml in prison in Kosovo?
What are you talking about!
You know that is far from the truth!
Serbia was offering super autonomy to the lawless Albanians in Kosovo.
Living independently under the USA and the EU now that would be a prison. Think outside the box. Albanians will always have more "power" living in Serbia then independently. Ask yourself why and you will find the answer.
"Bosnia" may be "working" now but it is a matter of time before it breaks down. This is the start. RS will be annexed to Serbia!
Ben: Yes, you might have a point. At least Russia prefers to have a goverment that do not suspend the SAA. Further, it is obvious the Russians feels that Serbs has been made scapegoats in the last 20 years, and that Russia has "failed" them.
For Georgia, the ocnflict is as much about oil and potential tourist industry as it is about land and ideas of origin. And to play some strategic cards in order to show the US and the EU that they should stop to treat Russia as a 3rd class power.
If the EU/US get the message and manages to reach comprehensive compromises is not yet clear, but the lesson can be painful. Russia has, at least at the moment, quite a clear backing of China, and a rather neutral stance in the Middle East. These are areas with raidly growing capabilites, and areas where the US and to some extent the EU wil only find enemies.
Russia is a full member of the Peace Implementation Council whose Steering Board oversees the OHR http://www.ohr.int/ It was decided that the OHR should aim to close on 30 June, 2008.
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia fulfils that target. Keep in mind that someone opened a costly can of worms.
Peter, a can of worms was opened the moment the US decided to recognise the IUDI. This isn't good but if international borders are no longer respected then this is one of the consequences.
Like I have said, this will be a costly mistake for the US.
@Ben
Bulgaria and EU :
"Bulgaria has already seen tens of millions of EU funds frozen amid fears of fraud. The figure of suspended aid could rise to billions when a European Commission monitoring report comes out this summer" i take this from a comment in the new "ECONOMIST" and remember that Frattini now is in Italy (new FM ), so not a trojan horse but a candidate to expulsion if things not change.....
Bulgaria and NATO :
Not a big problem until now their Military and Politicians haven't accession to the "main rooms" ,so if there is some old CCCP lovers, probably they can sell Pulcinella's secrets that Russian probably already know..
Peter, up until now, Russia and Serbia are still abiding by international law as they have not recognised any entities in sovereign states.
However, what is evident is that as the US push for Kosovo independence, so will the Russians for South Ossetia and Abkhazia and Serbia for Republika Srpska.
That is the game being played. The US has to consider whether it is worth it.
The difference is that the US opened the can of worms and Russia and Serbia will take advantage of what it offers. Now that seems to be more than what the US will get.
You see, the warning of this being a precedent will be self-fulfilling.
I have argued in the past that this is a win-win situation for both Serbia and Russia.
Serbia gets to keep Kosovo (legally) but can gain Republika Srpska (by precedent). Russia also gets other entities by precedent.
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