"Serbia without EU Russia's headache"

Without the EU we are only a headache for Russia -

Lies, lies and damned lies...

Serbia does not need to be a headache for anyone, but a heartache for those that wan't to divide nd rule over it!

And joining EU is definitely a step towards division...

Please you will be a super headache also for us..so No Eu chance for Serbia now and for the future also i doubt that EU will be like the one we see today in the near future so forget us and go to your "brothers "...
I invite you also to ask money to the Russian quickly they are full of it ! i don't understand why you are happy only with promises and words remember the economic cycle is in Russia favour but history is clear they will go burst later , so ask them money now if you miss this chance maybe you won't get another..

the EU still exists and works quite well. unions like former yugoslavia or the soviet union are history. the first one has a democratic structure and it is still growing, the later ones never were democratic and are examples how to fail.

So Russia, the EU, Serbia, and Kosovo all have an incentive to find a compromise. I wonder why nobody have thought of that earlier, but never mind...

And would that compromise look like? Let's see:
EULEX and UNMIK has some problems between them, basically because Russia nd China, as veto powers, fundamentally reject the idea of ignoring the 1244. Further, the Americans in particular and NATO in general are about to run into some serious credibility problems regarding Georgia. There is no wat they can save Abkhasia and Ossetia with force, they ahve to persuade the Russians.
Another headache is of course Mladic and Karadzic. With an SRS-DSS-SPS government is in charge they can forget about catching them. After four years with this government, the chance is probagbly gone forever. A vast failure for certain EU-states. Then, of course, is the prosepct of further instability in the area. Something that the EU can not let happen. So what can they do?

Well, Russia could give up their pressure on Georgia, and an agreement could be reached, if the status of Kosovo where changed. That would also solve the EULEX headache. A division of Kosovo could be such a compromise, in exchange for Russian, Chinese, and Serbian consent. That could also trigger an early EU-membership for Serbia, which is in Russia's interest, and perhaps also end up in an agreement between Russia and the EU similar to the EFTA cooperation (or Russian membership in EFTA). This could in turn reduce Russian resentment over the missile shields in Check and Poland, reducing tensions further. It's an historic opportunity for the EU to take lead ihn a serious issue, and break free from the US in foreign policy, but I still doubt it could ever happen.

The headache is those countries that think it is ok to support Albanians ruling part of Serbia's territory.

Serbia should be in the EU and will progress that way. It would be wrong of the EU to deny Serbia's progress just because Serbia is determined to sabotage the EU's involvement in Kosovo.

The EU will mess-up in Kosovo - they have already made extremely bad miscalculations because they are being forced by the stronger/richer EU countries.

Serbia will be blamed and will become the whipping-boy again - but that is a state of affairs that was created by those who made the UDI claim possible.

I trust that the international press will recognise that support for the UDI was a political miscalculation on the part of the US and others - it was needless, politically incompetent and illegal.

Adrian,

bring your Romanian Euro's down here in the newest Republic. We do not discriminate, all dollars welcomed, all dinars/denars straight to the trash can. In fact this is the best time to invest in Kosova, cheap land, abundand and willing labor, the businessmen paradise.

PS
Bring a (power) generater, powercuts are part of everyday life.

There are sayings about double standards in Russian and Hungarian:

"в чужом глазу соринку видишь, а в своем полена не замечаешь"
"észreveszi más szemében a szálkát, de nem a magáéban a gerendát"

I understand the endless pride of some E.U. citizens being part of a very exclusive club which they fear to be in danger of proliferation. We have to admit tough, that without tourism industry certain "classic" E.U. countries are not much better off economically than rural Balkan.

@ Rote Kapella:
"But one thing I agree. Russia would gain much if we have such a loyal EU member. Definetely Serbia also gains a lot. With Russian support it have better chances for the integration."

Exactly that IS the point! Nobody would stop Serbia to have a good relationship with Russia. Germany for example has excellent relations with Russia. So not everything in Europe is related to Kosovo.

I don`t see why Russia should get a headache because of Serbia. They don`t need Serbia to survive. Maybe they would invest less in Serbia, since it doesn`t make much sense to invest in a country soon surrounded by the european market, but not part of it.

to Adrian , Luiji

We need Serbia and it's not something you can estimate with money. So many things to happen now will be hard for your understanding.

But one thing I agree. Russia would gain much if we have such a loyal EU member. Definetely Serbia also gains a lot. With Russian support it have better chances for the integration. Moreover EU have no chaces to go on blackmailing Serbia if it's led by the patriots and backed by Russia to earn USD 1 bln dayly ...

@Rote Kapella & Ataman
1)Eu membership is primary a political and social choice that means in Serbia's case they have to accept western civilazation "in toto " .
Do you think is possible ?
I think not..
2)There is a big difference between public opinion and politicians in Eu and the enlargement issue is the main thing.. so for now maybe only Croatia will be accepted but for the next 10 years the doors are closed.....
3) Being in Eu means make thing in Brussel 's way that for example would require to sell Nis to a Eu member and not to Gazprom and so on..
4)Russia support for a better Eu integration ??? non sense ..maybe it will be a problem instead in EU there are many countries that are Russophobic
so it will be better to take distance from the kremlin in order to have more positive judgements..

Serbia in EU will be teh second troyan hors of Russia in EU.

The firts one http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=90048

cheers

The EU will collapse under its own wait soon enough, don't worry.

adrian, timisoara, romania
luiji

You (Roman and Romanian) have so much difference as to the Serbian prospects in EU that here I agree their chances for fast integration are minimal.

According to the Roman the Serbs have to stop being Serbs and have to obtain Atlantic mentality (not to sale NIS to Gasprom , not to make friends with Russia and do other silly things) before they are accepted to the club of those with restricted soveregnity.

According to Romanian my idea that Russia is to back Serbian integration to the EU is quite reasonable. So there's no unity inside the EU over Serbia and only God knows how long they have to wait for your unanimous agreement !

As for Russia we have all the Jokers in our hands and we don't have to bluff like the EU. Few days ago we gained more active support of Serbia from India and China where 40% of mankind live. Look how the Kosovo recognition process failed to a full stop. Kosovo is a fishbone the Yanks has installed in the throat of EU and some of you are not happy about it. So Russia have the strategic initiative and we are going to compell the West to a compromise. We shall retreat no more. Enough !

@Adrian
Having good relations is a thing..being part of a cultural and political project is another
Romania and Italy could have "beautifoul" relations with Moscow but they have signed a contract with other 25 countries regarding a certian way of living and with structured "philosophy" inside..
I don't think that right now there is any chance that a majority of Serbian people can accept this..
A Serb who lives here has told me that Eu is seen in his country only has a Bancomat..

the EU still exists and works quite well. unions like former yugoslavia or the soviet union are history. the first one has a democratic structure and it is still growing, the later ones never were democratic and are examples how to fail.

Please you will be a super headache also for us..so No Eu chance for Serbia now and for the future also i doubt that EU will be like the one we see today in the near future so forget us and go to your "brothers "...
I invite you also to ask money to the Russian quickly they are full of it ! i don't understand why you are happy only with promises and words remember the economic cycle is in Russia favour but history is clear they will go burst later , so ask them money now if you miss this chance maybe you won't get another..

Without the EU we are only a headache for Russia -

Lies, lies and damned lies...

Serbia does not need to be a headache for anyone, but a heartache for those that wan't to divide nd rule over it!

And joining EU is definitely a step towards division...

I don`t see why Russia should get a headache because of Serbia. They don`t need Serbia to survive. Maybe they would invest less in Serbia, since it doesn`t make much sense to invest in a country soon surrounded by the european market, but not part of it.

So Russia, the EU, Serbia, and Kosovo all have an incentive to find a compromise. I wonder why nobody have thought of that earlier, but never mind...

And would that compromise look like? Let's see:
EULEX and UNMIK has some problems between them, basically because Russia nd China, as veto powers, fundamentally reject the idea of ignoring the 1244. Further, the Americans in particular and NATO in general are about to run into some serious credibility problems regarding Georgia. There is no wat they can save Abkhasia and Ossetia with force, they ahve to persuade the Russians.
Another headache is of course Mladic and Karadzic. With an SRS-DSS-SPS government is in charge they can forget about catching them. After four years with this government, the chance is probagbly gone forever. A vast failure for certain EU-states. Then, of course, is the prosepct of further instability in the area. Something that the EU can not let happen. So what can they do?

Well, Russia could give up their pressure on Georgia, and an agreement could be reached, if the status of Kosovo where changed. That would also solve the EULEX headache. A division of Kosovo could be such a compromise, in exchange for Russian, Chinese, and Serbian consent. That could also trigger an early EU-membership for Serbia, which is in Russia's interest, and perhaps also end up in an agreement between Russia and the EU similar to the EFTA cooperation (or Russian membership in EFTA). This could in turn reduce Russian resentment over the missile shields in Check and Poland, reducing tensions further. It's an historic opportunity for the EU to take lead ihn a serious issue, and break free from the US in foreign policy, but I still doubt it could ever happen.

The EU will collapse under its own wait soon enough, don't worry.

The headache is those countries that think it is ok to support Albanians ruling part of Serbia's territory.

Serbia should be in the EU and will progress that way. It would be wrong of the EU to deny Serbia's progress just because Serbia is determined to sabotage the EU's involvement in Kosovo.

The EU will mess-up in Kosovo - they have already made extremely bad miscalculations because they are being forced by the stronger/richer EU countries.

Serbia will be blamed and will become the whipping-boy again - but that is a state of affairs that was created by those who made the UDI claim possible.

I trust that the international press will recognise that support for the UDI was a political miscalculation on the part of the US and others - it was needless, politically incompetent and illegal.

Adrian,

bring your Romanian Euro's down here in the newest Republic. We do not discriminate, all dollars welcomed, all dinars/denars straight to the trash can. In fact this is the best time to invest in Kosova, cheap land, abundand and willing labor, the businessmen paradise.

PS
Bring a (power) generater, powercuts are part of everyday life.

to Adrian , Luiji

We need Serbia and it's not something you can estimate with money. So many things to happen now will be hard for your understanding.

But one thing I agree. Russia would gain much if we have such a loyal EU member. Definetely Serbia also gains a lot. With Russian support it have better chances for the integration. Moreover EU have no chaces to go on blackmailing Serbia if it's led by the patriots and backed by Russia to earn USD 1 bln dayly ...

There are sayings about double standards in Russian and Hungarian:

"в чужом глазу соринку видишь, а в своем полена не замечаешь"
"észreveszi más szemében a szálkát, de nem a magáéban a gerendát"

I understand the endless pride of some E.U. citizens being part of a very exclusive club which they fear to be in danger of proliferation. We have to admit tough, that without tourism industry certain "classic" E.U. countries are not much better off economically than rural Balkan.

@Rote Kapella & Ataman
1)Eu membership is primary a political and social choice that means in Serbia's case they have to accept western civilazation "in toto " .
Do you think is possible ?
I think not..
2)There is a big difference between public opinion and politicians in Eu and the enlargement issue is the main thing.. so for now maybe only Croatia will be accepted but for the next 10 years the doors are closed.....
3) Being in Eu means make thing in Brussel 's way that for example would require to sell Nis to a Eu member and not to Gazprom and so on..
4)Russia support for a better Eu integration ??? non sense ..maybe it will be a problem instead in EU there are many countries that are Russophobic
so it will be better to take distance from the kremlin in order to have more positive judgements..

@ Rote Kapella:
"But one thing I agree. Russia would gain much if we have such a loyal EU member. Definetely Serbia also gains a lot. With Russian support it have better chances for the integration."

Exactly that IS the point! Nobody would stop Serbia to have a good relationship with Russia. Germany for example has excellent relations with Russia. So not everything in Europe is related to Kosovo.

@Adrian
Having good relations is a thing..being part of a cultural and political project is another
Romania and Italy could have "beautifoul" relations with Moscow but they have signed a contract with other 25 countries regarding a certian way of living and with structured "philosophy" inside..
I don't think that right now there is any chance that a majority of Serbian people can accept this..
A Serb who lives here has told me that Eu is seen in his country only has a Bancomat..

adrian, timisoara, romania
luiji

You (Roman and Romanian) have so much difference as to the Serbian prospects in EU that here I agree their chances for fast integration are minimal.

According to the Roman the Serbs have to stop being Serbs and have to obtain Atlantic mentality (not to sale NIS to Gasprom , not to make friends with Russia and do other silly things) before they are accepted to the club of those with restricted soveregnity.

According to Romanian my idea that Russia is to back Serbian integration to the EU is quite reasonable. So there's no unity inside the EU over Serbia and only God knows how long they have to wait for your unanimous agreement !

As for Russia we have all the Jokers in our hands and we don't have to bluff like the EU. Few days ago we gained more active support of Serbia from India and China where 40% of mankind live. Look how the Kosovo recognition process failed to a full stop. Kosovo is a fishbone the Yanks has installed in the throat of EU and some of you are not happy about it. So Russia have the strategic initiative and we are going to compell the West to a compromise. We shall retreat no more. Enough !

Serbia in EU will be teh second troyan hors of Russia in EU.

The firts one http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=90048

cheers