Socialist partner backs SAA

Bganon,

looks like Markovic has answered your grapevine speculation.

SPS-PUPS_JS coalition is bound by contract to stay together - no peeling off seperatly as DS would like us to think!

More over despite being for SAA which should have been signed prior to illegal declarations of dependence he is stating quite clearly would join EU only if UN resolution 124 is respected - currently individual EU states have acted illegally and are not - I think this explains his position and where his alligence lies in upholding and protecting Serbia's soverignty.

Lets recall SAA was initialled in Nov - why did the EU wait to change its mind until after illegality?

Belguim FM De grucht let the cat out of the bag when hw said publically

“My understanding is that we’ve only signed the agreement with Serbia itself, without Kosovo,”

- ET TU EU...

I cant see it taking long for a coalition to be formed and the sooner the better for Serbia's integrity or else other states may think Serbia is continuing with the submisive humilation and it can be piled on!

He found relevant Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's statement that it was “better late than never to sign the SAA”.
Come on man, say something what you think and not what Russia thinks. You are making your country a Russia’s puppet. Once against SAA and now pro. What changed? Just because Lavrov said?

Princip you are right. Palma did answer the question. If DSS and SRS are both against signing the SAA and Markovic is for it there can be no SRS/DSS/SPS deal - according to that contract you mentioned. If however, they both agree to terminate the contract due to differences then each is free to go with whichever coalition. Contracts can be made and broken.

Princip why are you mentioning a nobody from a nothing country in Europe? That foreign minister stated his personal opinion. Its not a shock because he supports the independence of Kosovo. The personal view of a foreign minister of a minor EU country is not the same as the opinion of the entire EU is it?

Bganon,

here is another nobody FM this time the Slovene Rupel;

"The European Union reiterates its support for Georgia's sovereignty and its territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders,"

- and what does this EU nobody 'friend' say about Serbia's soverignity ???

Either your naive and just cant seem to see it coming or you know exactly what it meant to sign SAA after illegal declarations and recognitions without fully clarifying the position and defending Serbia's territorial integrity and are happy to sell out Serbian soveriegnty for some EU 'promise' of unequal membership - which is it naive or happy to deceive?

Even if he would split,it wouldn't be enough for to save the Canak, Dinkic, Tadic coalition. Lets do the math: 102 seats for DS et al, 13 for LDP, 5 from minorities (excepting Ugljanin) and 3 from Palma gives a total of 123 seats. I think that everything is said :)

My prediction is:

1. Government coalition SRS+DSS+SP

2. No official annulment of SAA to allay public fears and so as not to provoke EU. However no move to move towards implementing the SAA provisions (Mladic handover to Hague etc) anytime soon.

3. K-Serbs in north Kosovo will organise their own local government quietly without fanfare.

'The European Union reiterates its support for Georgia's sovereignty and its territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders'

Princip and your point is?
You are confusing two different arguments, one of which I agree with (double standards of states that recognise Kosovo) and the signing of the SAA.

We all agree about the double standards but you were inferring that the view of a single foreign minister of the SAA signing was the view of the entire EU. Thus to make a coherent argument you need to give me evidence of this - not to shift the argument onto inconsistency of states recognising Kosovo.

Dan lets take your logic further.

Prior to EULEX we had UN troops on the ground on sovereign Serbian territory. This is a violation of the Serbian constitution and a clear breach of Serbian sovereignty.

Should Serbia have withdrawn from the UN in protest?

As for the EU supporting Kosovo independence go tell that to Romania, Spain and Greece. The EU tried to bring in a common EU foreign policy but it failed. Each individual EU country has its own position on Kosovo - even if the US and some European countries have tried to force other EU and non EU countries to recognise Kosovo.

Maks, did Markovic say he was against signing the SAA before the Lavrov said it was a good idea? If not then you accusation makes no sense.

Why try to parse what Serb politicians think about the SAA? Or for that matter what EU pols think about it?

Look at EULEX in Kosovo. That's all you need to know. Trying to parse whether the SAA includes Kosovo or not is just wasting your time.

For the EU, Kosovo is not part of Serbia. Why is this not clear?

Any Serb politician that claims the SAA must include Kosovo (now or eventually) is simply lying to the people. Kostunica is absolutely correct on this, even though he may be unrealistic.

Serbia can present a fait accompli on the ground in Kosovo which the EU will eventually have to come to grips with. However, the only real decision to make regarding the SAA is whether Serbia's tacit approval and recognition of Kosovo through the signing of the SAA will make relations between Mitrovica Serbs and Serbia more, or less, tenuous.

By signing the SAA, are you also cutting loose the Mitrovica Serbs? That's the only real question. It very well could be that you can both sign it and force the partition that is the only true answer to Kosovo's problem. Or not sign it.

Everything else is just hot air.

He found relevant Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's statement that it was “better late than never to sign the SAA”.
Come on man, say something what you think and not what Russia thinks. You are making your country a Russia’s puppet. Once against SAA and now pro. What changed? Just because Lavrov said?

Bganon,

looks like Markovic has answered your grapevine speculation.

SPS-PUPS_JS coalition is bound by contract to stay together - no peeling off seperatly as DS would like us to think!

More over despite being for SAA which should have been signed prior to illegal declarations of dependence he is stating quite clearly would join EU only if UN resolution 124 is respected - currently individual EU states have acted illegally and are not - I think this explains his position and where his alligence lies in upholding and protecting Serbia's soverignty.

Lets recall SAA was initialled in Nov - why did the EU wait to change its mind until after illegality?

Belguim FM De grucht let the cat out of the bag when hw said publically

“My understanding is that we’ve only signed the agreement with Serbia itself, without Kosovo,”

- ET TU EU...

I cant see it taking long for a coalition to be formed and the sooner the better for Serbia's integrity or else other states may think Serbia is continuing with the submisive humilation and it can be piled on!

Princip you are right. Palma did answer the question. If DSS and SRS are both against signing the SAA and Markovic is for it there can be no SRS/DSS/SPS deal - according to that contract you mentioned. If however, they both agree to terminate the contract due to differences then each is free to go with whichever coalition. Contracts can be made and broken.

Princip why are you mentioning a nobody from a nothing country in Europe? That foreign minister stated his personal opinion. Its not a shock because he supports the independence of Kosovo. The personal view of a foreign minister of a minor EU country is not the same as the opinion of the entire EU is it?

Bganon,

here is another nobody FM this time the Slovene Rupel;

"The European Union reiterates its support for Georgia's sovereignty and its territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders,"

- and what does this EU nobody 'friend' say about Serbia's soverignity ???

Either your naive and just cant seem to see it coming or you know exactly what it meant to sign SAA after illegal declarations and recognitions without fully clarifying the position and defending Serbia's territorial integrity and are happy to sell out Serbian soveriegnty for some EU 'promise' of unequal membership - which is it naive or happy to deceive?

Even if he would split,it wouldn't be enough for to save the Canak, Dinkic, Tadic coalition. Lets do the math: 102 seats for DS et al, 13 for LDP, 5 from minorities (excepting Ugljanin) and 3 from Palma gives a total of 123 seats. I think that everything is said :)

My prediction is:

1. Government coalition SRS+DSS+SP

2. No official annulment of SAA to allay public fears and so as not to provoke EU. However no move to move towards implementing the SAA provisions (Mladic handover to Hague etc) anytime soon.

3. K-Serbs in north Kosovo will organise their own local government quietly without fanfare.

Maks, did Markovic say he was against signing the SAA before the Lavrov said it was a good idea? If not then you accusation makes no sense.

'The European Union reiterates its support for Georgia's sovereignty and its territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders'

Princip and your point is?
You are confusing two different arguments, one of which I agree with (double standards of states that recognise Kosovo) and the signing of the SAA.

We all agree about the double standards but you were inferring that the view of a single foreign minister of the SAA signing was the view of the entire EU. Thus to make a coherent argument you need to give me evidence of this - not to shift the argument onto inconsistency of states recognising Kosovo.

Why try to parse what Serb politicians think about the SAA? Or for that matter what EU pols think about it?

Look at EULEX in Kosovo. That's all you need to know. Trying to parse whether the SAA includes Kosovo or not is just wasting your time.

For the EU, Kosovo is not part of Serbia. Why is this not clear?

Any Serb politician that claims the SAA must include Kosovo (now or eventually) is simply lying to the people. Kostunica is absolutely correct on this, even though he may be unrealistic.

Serbia can present a fait accompli on the ground in Kosovo which the EU will eventually have to come to grips with. However, the only real decision to make regarding the SAA is whether Serbia's tacit approval and recognition of Kosovo through the signing of the SAA will make relations between Mitrovica Serbs and Serbia more, or less, tenuous.

By signing the SAA, are you also cutting loose the Mitrovica Serbs? That's the only real question. It very well could be that you can both sign it and force the partition that is the only true answer to Kosovo's problem. Or not sign it.

Everything else is just hot air.

Dan lets take your logic further.

Prior to EULEX we had UN troops on the ground on sovereign Serbian territory. This is a violation of the Serbian constitution and a clear breach of Serbian sovereignty.

Should Serbia have withdrawn from the UN in protest?

As for the EU supporting Kosovo independence go tell that to Romania, Spain and Greece. The EU tried to bring in a common EU foreign policy but it failed. Each individual EU country has its own position on Kosovo - even if the US and some European countries have tried to force other EU and non EU countries to recognise Kosovo.