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Thursday, 08.05.2008.

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"Kosovo turning into Transnistria”

Kosovo politician and publicist Veton Surroi has warned that Kosovo is turning into “a kind of Transnistria.”

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Zoran Paljevic

pre 15 godina

Veton,

We'll solve all your problems,sooner than "expected",don't waste your and EU time,at all.Our administration will be able to provide an answer on any of your questions.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

The article said:

“Tensions will only rise unnecessarily, violence could occur.

Ohh really?? Violence started by whom? The Serbs wanting to vote, or the Albanians trying to stop them?

Why would a voter, trying to excise a basic democratic right, start any violence? Not very likely, is it now?

Albanians trying to stop the voting is much more likely to resort to violence. But they won't do that will they now? Aren't they all for democracy and self-determination?

Svabo

pre 15 godina

to (Mark (Shqype), and his comment on Serb minority rights in Kosovo.

The only way you are ever going to make that fly is by proving that 10% of the government positions in Kosovo are held by Serbs -- which would be the right number -- since 10% of the population are Serbs. But you cant come back with that because the real number is 1% of government position are held by Serbs and 99% by Kosovo Albanians.

So these numbers show anything but that Kosovo Serbs enjoy a "higher" status compared to other minorities in the world or even Albanians themselves.

As far as Serbia holding elections in Kosovo, remember, as far as the rest of the majority of the world is concerned, Kosovo is not independent and is a part of Serbia. We can argue that, "oo but the rest of the world doesn't count, only the US and major countries in Europe, but the fact remains, a very small number of countries in comaparison to all the countries in the world actually recognized Kosovo and the recognition has all but died down.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Surroi condemned the intentions of Belgrade officials to hold Serbian local elections in Kosovo, saying it could spark violence.

Well, well, prompting the Albanians to declare an illegal UDI also had the potential to spark violence and worse but they did. Is he going to tell the Albanians not take it back now?

Legally Kosovo is Serbian and nobody can change that unless they get the UN to change that so how can having Serbian elections in Kosovo be more risky than UDI?

vencor

pre 15 godina

The snap elections in Serbia themselves, according to Surroi, had no wider meaning for Kosovo.

Mr. Surroi, you just don't get it and probably never will...!
Serbs have to vote as citizens of the 'unified country of Serbia', wherever they are in and out of Serbia...!

That is the dilemma for people such as you and the solution for Serbs...they are in , while for you, they are probably out!
That view is of course not accepable to them and should also apply to you.
BTW, Transdenister is far better economically that Kosovo could ever be!

Mike

pre 15 godina

NewsFlash for Mr. Surroi:

If the powers that allegedly back Kosovo's so-called independence were really interested in creating conditions where Kosovo is "an EU candidate", rather than an EU protectorate, there would have been some serious effort at negotiating a final solution with Belgrade, thus making final status universally accepted.

Instead, we gave Pristina the green light, and they stupidly thought that a UDI would solve all their problems. Now we have a quasi-legal, barely legitmate, hardly functioning colony in SE Europe, with at least five different powers jockeying for control (Pristina, UNMIK, EU, Belgrade, Mitrovica). In reality, this is exactly what the US wanted - a tiny, poor, incredibly helpless statelet that overwhelmingly depends on Washington for support and protection. It is completely within US strategic interests to keep sovereignty contested in Kosovo, and keep the Serbian north constantly threatening to secede in order to prolong dependence from Pristina.

Surroi is absolutely correct in his outlook over Kosovo Province, but, like the slavishly pro-American elite he is, he fails to see that it is not Belgrade, but Washington that is driving Kosovo towards a Transnistria model.

If there is to be lasting peace and stability in Kosovo, all roads lead back to the negotiating table with Belgrade.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Svabo, to clarify your inquiry:

Nobody is saying that the Serbs in Kosova cannot vote. They have a right to vote just like Serbs in America and Canada vote. All we are saying is that such a vote has no legitimacy if organized by Serbia, because Serbia is a different country and has no right to organize voting in another country.

The Serbs in Kosova have the best minority rights in the world - more rights than the Albanians themselves. But they refuse to take advantage of them because they're caught up in Belgrade's propagandistic false promises.

Serbs have the right to dual-citizenship: they can be citizens of both Kosova AND Serbia. Were they to take advantage of this, then they could vote for the Serbian President in polling stations set up by the Kosova government. That would be legitimate.

Instead, Serbia is attempting to organize its national elections in another country; therein lies the problem. It's a political move meant to demonstrate to the Serbs that Serbia has no intention of giving up its failed colonization attempt.

Also, Mladen, perhaps you should smell the coffee and realize that Kosova is a SECULAR nation, with a significant Catholic minority. A new Cathedral, which will also contain a library, school, and community center is being constructed in Prishtina, in honor of the famous Albanian Mother Teresa.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

I wouldn't say that Kosovo is like Transnistria, because Transnistria has no recognition and falls into the same category as Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, Somaliland, South Ossetia and Northern Cyprus (esentially just regions that seceeded and no one took note of it until now).

Kosovo has received some recognition and falls into the same category as Palestine, Taiwan and the Sahrawi Arab Republic as a state lacking general recognition, but can nonetheless by considered states in the body of customary international law.

I suppose you could call it a limbo status, but I highly doubt that any of the latter four countries will join the UN if the security council have reservations about endorsing their membership.

As a matter of fact, I must say that I have predicted what would happen with regards to Kosovo (I said it would become independent, but remain outside major organizations with veto holders against the independence), and I am of the opinion that it will remain in the same category as the four countries I mentioned, not that it's a bad thing, but Kosovo simply was not a clean cut secession from Serbia, though far more clean than Transnistria's one from Moldova, nonetheless, in principal, I highly doubt there will ever be agreement between Kosovo's Serbs, Serbia and Kosovo's Albanians with regards to a final status for Kosovo.

It will be a frozen conflict, but thankfully for them in a stronger position than Transnistria etc. due to some recognition.

Svabo

pre 15 godina

It seems fairly obvious that the EU and US want a protectorate for the next probably 40 years. And the Kosovo govmt is full of it if they claim that they dont want that. Kosovo is build, defined and dependent on aid. It's been like that for many years and will be so for many in the future. Kosovo independence has been created based on assumptions that US, UMNIK, NATO do not leave and regular money aid does not stop to Kosovo.

The Kosovo Serbs are Serbs and they have full right to vote in upcoming elections. If Serbs in Canada and the US can vote, why in gods name can't the ones in Kosovo???

Mladen Simić

pre 15 godina

Dude, you only got (kind of) CONDITIONAL independence. If you expected a red carpet everywhere, you better get used to a little less glamorous reception. You're only a tiny, half-recognized, super-poor, muslim, landlocked country. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Felix, Romania

pre 15 godina

When you critically say that Serbia has been nationalistic for a long time: can you point your finger at one country in Europe which is not nationalistic? One country in the whole world which is not nationalistic? France? England? Scotland? The US? Israel? Albania? Japan? Libya? Please let us know, name just one... hypocrite.

ZK UK

pre 15 godina

He adds that the EU must decide whether it wants a protectorate for 20 more years, or a Kosovo that will one day enter the Union.
--

It's not the EU's decision but Serbia's and those that support us. The decision has already been made that Kosovo remains Serbian and that should be clear by now.

Of course some people are still living in fairy land and believe that Serbia, Russia, Cyprus, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, China and over three quarters of the world nations will somehow change their mind and support an illegal puppet NATO entity.

It is just not going to happen!

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Hello B92

Just a quick correction, the Polish newspaper in question is Gazeta Wyborcza and not Gazeta Viborca. We don't use the letter V in our alphabet.

kufr

pre 15 godina

What did you expect? Of course Kosovo would turn into a new Transnistria. That is what UDI leads to. The same happened in Palestine who also declared independence unilaterally. More than 100 states recognized Palestine but it is still not truly independent.

A number of practical solutions exists. The first is the Serbian solution, to give Kosovo a broad autonomy. That would give Kosovo much more independence then it has now and it would keep Serbia happy.

The second solution is to allow Serb inhabited parts of Kosovo to secede. This is the ugly solution, but it would probably work.

Svabo

pre 15 godina

It seems fairly obvious that the EU and US want a protectorate for the next probably 40 years. And the Kosovo govmt is full of it if they claim that they dont want that. Kosovo is build, defined and dependent on aid. It's been like that for many years and will be so for many in the future. Kosovo independence has been created based on assumptions that US, UMNIK, NATO do not leave and regular money aid does not stop to Kosovo.

The Kosovo Serbs are Serbs and they have full right to vote in upcoming elections. If Serbs in Canada and the US can vote, why in gods name can't the ones in Kosovo???

Felix, Romania

pre 15 godina

When you critically say that Serbia has been nationalistic for a long time: can you point your finger at one country in Europe which is not nationalistic? One country in the whole world which is not nationalistic? France? England? Scotland? The US? Israel? Albania? Japan? Libya? Please let us know, name just one... hypocrite.

ZK UK

pre 15 godina

He adds that the EU must decide whether it wants a protectorate for 20 more years, or a Kosovo that will one day enter the Union.
--

It's not the EU's decision but Serbia's and those that support us. The decision has already been made that Kosovo remains Serbian and that should be clear by now.

Of course some people are still living in fairy land and believe that Serbia, Russia, Cyprus, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, China and over three quarters of the world nations will somehow change their mind and support an illegal puppet NATO entity.

It is just not going to happen!

Mladen Simić

pre 15 godina

Dude, you only got (kind of) CONDITIONAL independence. If you expected a red carpet everywhere, you better get used to a little less glamorous reception. You're only a tiny, half-recognized, super-poor, muslim, landlocked country. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Hello B92

Just a quick correction, the Polish newspaper in question is Gazeta Wyborcza and not Gazeta Viborca. We don't use the letter V in our alphabet.

kufr

pre 15 godina

What did you expect? Of course Kosovo would turn into a new Transnistria. That is what UDI leads to. The same happened in Palestine who also declared independence unilaterally. More than 100 states recognized Palestine but it is still not truly independent.

A number of practical solutions exists. The first is the Serbian solution, to give Kosovo a broad autonomy. That would give Kosovo much more independence then it has now and it would keep Serbia happy.

The second solution is to allow Serb inhabited parts of Kosovo to secede. This is the ugly solution, but it would probably work.

Mike

pre 15 godina

NewsFlash for Mr. Surroi:

If the powers that allegedly back Kosovo's so-called independence were really interested in creating conditions where Kosovo is "an EU candidate", rather than an EU protectorate, there would have been some serious effort at negotiating a final solution with Belgrade, thus making final status universally accepted.

Instead, we gave Pristina the green light, and they stupidly thought that a UDI would solve all their problems. Now we have a quasi-legal, barely legitmate, hardly functioning colony in SE Europe, with at least five different powers jockeying for control (Pristina, UNMIK, EU, Belgrade, Mitrovica). In reality, this is exactly what the US wanted - a tiny, poor, incredibly helpless statelet that overwhelmingly depends on Washington for support and protection. It is completely within US strategic interests to keep sovereignty contested in Kosovo, and keep the Serbian north constantly threatening to secede in order to prolong dependence from Pristina.

Surroi is absolutely correct in his outlook over Kosovo Province, but, like the slavishly pro-American elite he is, he fails to see that it is not Belgrade, but Washington that is driving Kosovo towards a Transnistria model.

If there is to be lasting peace and stability in Kosovo, all roads lead back to the negotiating table with Belgrade.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Svabo, to clarify your inquiry:

Nobody is saying that the Serbs in Kosova cannot vote. They have a right to vote just like Serbs in America and Canada vote. All we are saying is that such a vote has no legitimacy if organized by Serbia, because Serbia is a different country and has no right to organize voting in another country.

The Serbs in Kosova have the best minority rights in the world - more rights than the Albanians themselves. But they refuse to take advantage of them because they're caught up in Belgrade's propagandistic false promises.

Serbs have the right to dual-citizenship: they can be citizens of both Kosova AND Serbia. Were they to take advantage of this, then they could vote for the Serbian President in polling stations set up by the Kosova government. That would be legitimate.

Instead, Serbia is attempting to organize its national elections in another country; therein lies the problem. It's a political move meant to demonstrate to the Serbs that Serbia has no intention of giving up its failed colonization attempt.

Also, Mladen, perhaps you should smell the coffee and realize that Kosova is a SECULAR nation, with a significant Catholic minority. A new Cathedral, which will also contain a library, school, and community center is being constructed in Prishtina, in honor of the famous Albanian Mother Teresa.

Zoran Paljevic

pre 15 godina

Veton,

We'll solve all your problems,sooner than "expected",don't waste your and EU time,at all.Our administration will be able to provide an answer on any of your questions.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

I wouldn't say that Kosovo is like Transnistria, because Transnistria has no recognition and falls into the same category as Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, Somaliland, South Ossetia and Northern Cyprus (esentially just regions that seceeded and no one took note of it until now).

Kosovo has received some recognition and falls into the same category as Palestine, Taiwan and the Sahrawi Arab Republic as a state lacking general recognition, but can nonetheless by considered states in the body of customary international law.

I suppose you could call it a limbo status, but I highly doubt that any of the latter four countries will join the UN if the security council have reservations about endorsing their membership.

As a matter of fact, I must say that I have predicted what would happen with regards to Kosovo (I said it would become independent, but remain outside major organizations with veto holders against the independence), and I am of the opinion that it will remain in the same category as the four countries I mentioned, not that it's a bad thing, but Kosovo simply was not a clean cut secession from Serbia, though far more clean than Transnistria's one from Moldova, nonetheless, in principal, I highly doubt there will ever be agreement between Kosovo's Serbs, Serbia and Kosovo's Albanians with regards to a final status for Kosovo.

It will be a frozen conflict, but thankfully for them in a stronger position than Transnistria etc. due to some recognition.

vencor

pre 15 godina

The snap elections in Serbia themselves, according to Surroi, had no wider meaning for Kosovo.

Mr. Surroi, you just don't get it and probably never will...!
Serbs have to vote as citizens of the 'unified country of Serbia', wherever they are in and out of Serbia...!

That is the dilemma for people such as you and the solution for Serbs...they are in , while for you, they are probably out!
That view is of course not accepable to them and should also apply to you.
BTW, Transdenister is far better economically that Kosovo could ever be!

Svabo

pre 15 godina

to (Mark (Shqype), and his comment on Serb minority rights in Kosovo.

The only way you are ever going to make that fly is by proving that 10% of the government positions in Kosovo are held by Serbs -- which would be the right number -- since 10% of the population are Serbs. But you cant come back with that because the real number is 1% of government position are held by Serbs and 99% by Kosovo Albanians.

So these numbers show anything but that Kosovo Serbs enjoy a "higher" status compared to other minorities in the world or even Albanians themselves.

As far as Serbia holding elections in Kosovo, remember, as far as the rest of the majority of the world is concerned, Kosovo is not independent and is a part of Serbia. We can argue that, "oo but the rest of the world doesn't count, only the US and major countries in Europe, but the fact remains, a very small number of countries in comaparison to all the countries in the world actually recognized Kosovo and the recognition has all but died down.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

The article said:

“Tensions will only rise unnecessarily, violence could occur.

Ohh really?? Violence started by whom? The Serbs wanting to vote, or the Albanians trying to stop them?

Why would a voter, trying to excise a basic democratic right, start any violence? Not very likely, is it now?

Albanians trying to stop the voting is much more likely to resort to violence. But they won't do that will they now? Aren't they all for democracy and self-determination?

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Surroi condemned the intentions of Belgrade officials to hold Serbian local elections in Kosovo, saying it could spark violence.

Well, well, prompting the Albanians to declare an illegal UDI also had the potential to spark violence and worse but they did. Is he going to tell the Albanians not take it back now?

Legally Kosovo is Serbian and nobody can change that unless they get the UN to change that so how can having Serbian elections in Kosovo be more risky than UDI?

Felix, Romania

pre 15 godina

When you critically say that Serbia has been nationalistic for a long time: can you point your finger at one country in Europe which is not nationalistic? One country in the whole world which is not nationalistic? France? England? Scotland? The US? Israel? Albania? Japan? Libya? Please let us know, name just one... hypocrite.

Mladen Simić

pre 15 godina

Dude, you only got (kind of) CONDITIONAL independence. If you expected a red carpet everywhere, you better get used to a little less glamorous reception. You're only a tiny, half-recognized, super-poor, muslim, landlocked country. Wake up and smell the coffee.

kufr

pre 15 godina

What did you expect? Of course Kosovo would turn into a new Transnistria. That is what UDI leads to. The same happened in Palestine who also declared independence unilaterally. More than 100 states recognized Palestine but it is still not truly independent.

A number of practical solutions exists. The first is the Serbian solution, to give Kosovo a broad autonomy. That would give Kosovo much more independence then it has now and it would keep Serbia happy.

The second solution is to allow Serb inhabited parts of Kosovo to secede. This is the ugly solution, but it would probably work.

ZK UK

pre 15 godina

He adds that the EU must decide whether it wants a protectorate for 20 more years, or a Kosovo that will one day enter the Union.
--

It's not the EU's decision but Serbia's and those that support us. The decision has already been made that Kosovo remains Serbian and that should be clear by now.

Of course some people are still living in fairy land and believe that Serbia, Russia, Cyprus, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, China and over three quarters of the world nations will somehow change their mind and support an illegal puppet NATO entity.

It is just not going to happen!

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Hello B92

Just a quick correction, the Polish newspaper in question is Gazeta Wyborcza and not Gazeta Viborca. We don't use the letter V in our alphabet.

Svabo

pre 15 godina

It seems fairly obvious that the EU and US want a protectorate for the next probably 40 years. And the Kosovo govmt is full of it if they claim that they dont want that. Kosovo is build, defined and dependent on aid. It's been like that for many years and will be so for many in the future. Kosovo independence has been created based on assumptions that US, UMNIK, NATO do not leave and regular money aid does not stop to Kosovo.

The Kosovo Serbs are Serbs and they have full right to vote in upcoming elections. If Serbs in Canada and the US can vote, why in gods name can't the ones in Kosovo???

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

I wouldn't say that Kosovo is like Transnistria, because Transnistria has no recognition and falls into the same category as Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, Somaliland, South Ossetia and Northern Cyprus (esentially just regions that seceeded and no one took note of it until now).

Kosovo has received some recognition and falls into the same category as Palestine, Taiwan and the Sahrawi Arab Republic as a state lacking general recognition, but can nonetheless by considered states in the body of customary international law.

I suppose you could call it a limbo status, but I highly doubt that any of the latter four countries will join the UN if the security council have reservations about endorsing their membership.

As a matter of fact, I must say that I have predicted what would happen with regards to Kosovo (I said it would become independent, but remain outside major organizations with veto holders against the independence), and I am of the opinion that it will remain in the same category as the four countries I mentioned, not that it's a bad thing, but Kosovo simply was not a clean cut secession from Serbia, though far more clean than Transnistria's one from Moldova, nonetheless, in principal, I highly doubt there will ever be agreement between Kosovo's Serbs, Serbia and Kosovo's Albanians with regards to a final status for Kosovo.

It will be a frozen conflict, but thankfully for them in a stronger position than Transnistria etc. due to some recognition.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Svabo, to clarify your inquiry:

Nobody is saying that the Serbs in Kosova cannot vote. They have a right to vote just like Serbs in America and Canada vote. All we are saying is that such a vote has no legitimacy if organized by Serbia, because Serbia is a different country and has no right to organize voting in another country.

The Serbs in Kosova have the best minority rights in the world - more rights than the Albanians themselves. But they refuse to take advantage of them because they're caught up in Belgrade's propagandistic false promises.

Serbs have the right to dual-citizenship: they can be citizens of both Kosova AND Serbia. Were they to take advantage of this, then they could vote for the Serbian President in polling stations set up by the Kosova government. That would be legitimate.

Instead, Serbia is attempting to organize its national elections in another country; therein lies the problem. It's a political move meant to demonstrate to the Serbs that Serbia has no intention of giving up its failed colonization attempt.

Also, Mladen, perhaps you should smell the coffee and realize that Kosova is a SECULAR nation, with a significant Catholic minority. A new Cathedral, which will also contain a library, school, and community center is being constructed in Prishtina, in honor of the famous Albanian Mother Teresa.

vencor

pre 15 godina

The snap elections in Serbia themselves, according to Surroi, had no wider meaning for Kosovo.

Mr. Surroi, you just don't get it and probably never will...!
Serbs have to vote as citizens of the 'unified country of Serbia', wherever they are in and out of Serbia...!

That is the dilemma for people such as you and the solution for Serbs...they are in , while for you, they are probably out!
That view is of course not accepable to them and should also apply to you.
BTW, Transdenister is far better economically that Kosovo could ever be!

Mike

pre 15 godina

NewsFlash for Mr. Surroi:

If the powers that allegedly back Kosovo's so-called independence were really interested in creating conditions where Kosovo is "an EU candidate", rather than an EU protectorate, there would have been some serious effort at negotiating a final solution with Belgrade, thus making final status universally accepted.

Instead, we gave Pristina the green light, and they stupidly thought that a UDI would solve all their problems. Now we have a quasi-legal, barely legitmate, hardly functioning colony in SE Europe, with at least five different powers jockeying for control (Pristina, UNMIK, EU, Belgrade, Mitrovica). In reality, this is exactly what the US wanted - a tiny, poor, incredibly helpless statelet that overwhelmingly depends on Washington for support and protection. It is completely within US strategic interests to keep sovereignty contested in Kosovo, and keep the Serbian north constantly threatening to secede in order to prolong dependence from Pristina.

Surroi is absolutely correct in his outlook over Kosovo Province, but, like the slavishly pro-American elite he is, he fails to see that it is not Belgrade, but Washington that is driving Kosovo towards a Transnistria model.

If there is to be lasting peace and stability in Kosovo, all roads lead back to the negotiating table with Belgrade.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Surroi condemned the intentions of Belgrade officials to hold Serbian local elections in Kosovo, saying it could spark violence.

Well, well, prompting the Albanians to declare an illegal UDI also had the potential to spark violence and worse but they did. Is he going to tell the Albanians not take it back now?

Legally Kosovo is Serbian and nobody can change that unless they get the UN to change that so how can having Serbian elections in Kosovo be more risky than UDI?

Svabo

pre 15 godina

to (Mark (Shqype), and his comment on Serb minority rights in Kosovo.

The only way you are ever going to make that fly is by proving that 10% of the government positions in Kosovo are held by Serbs -- which would be the right number -- since 10% of the population are Serbs. But you cant come back with that because the real number is 1% of government position are held by Serbs and 99% by Kosovo Albanians.

So these numbers show anything but that Kosovo Serbs enjoy a "higher" status compared to other minorities in the world or even Albanians themselves.

As far as Serbia holding elections in Kosovo, remember, as far as the rest of the majority of the world is concerned, Kosovo is not independent and is a part of Serbia. We can argue that, "oo but the rest of the world doesn't count, only the US and major countries in Europe, but the fact remains, a very small number of countries in comaparison to all the countries in the world actually recognized Kosovo and the recognition has all but died down.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

The article said:

“Tensions will only rise unnecessarily, violence could occur.

Ohh really?? Violence started by whom? The Serbs wanting to vote, or the Albanians trying to stop them?

Why would a voter, trying to excise a basic democratic right, start any violence? Not very likely, is it now?

Albanians trying to stop the voting is much more likely to resort to violence. But they won't do that will they now? Aren't they all for democracy and self-determination?

Zoran Paljevic

pre 15 godina

Veton,

We'll solve all your problems,sooner than "expected",don't waste your and EU time,at all.Our administration will be able to provide an answer on any of your questions.