Lavrov: SAA should have been signed earlier

“The EU supports Georgia’s territorial integrity,“ was Solana’s view of the matter.

Can you believe this guy? How come you don't support Serbia's territorial integrity Javier? You were asked point blank by Kostunica whether the EU wants to accept Serbia as a WHOLE into its club, and you refused to answer. And then you have the gall to claim that you 'love Serbia'. You loved it while illegally bombing it for 78 days didn't you?
Javier, all of Serbia sees right through you, you are a man of absolutely no character, and even less morals. How you can sleep at night is beyond me.

There would be no IUDI if the SAA had been signed beforehand but by design the plan was to do it afterwards. Why would the EU make life difficult for itself?

Serbia now needs a strong and united government to stand tall and firm on the issue of Kosovo, the economy and development.

Unfortunately, the DS are a submissive party and in deep with the very people trying to buy Kosovo and attempting to make Serbians bow to them.

Keep Serbia free!

But that was exactly the point of having the SAA after the udi of 'kosova', signing it before would imply the integrity of Serbia
which was unacceptable to Solana and his serbophobes.
Judas are doing a very lucrative business in Serbia, at the moment.

It seems to me that LAVROV is already started fli-flopping on Kosova issue. Pretty soon Russia will forget Kosova and Serbia issue.

“I am convinced today, that had not so many years been wasted on discussions about how to deal with Serbia’s European perspective, we would not have the problems that we’ve got from Kosovo’s illegal independence declaration and recognition,” Lavrov lamented.

With all due respect mr Lavrov i peg to disagree on your above statement. The EU
perspective wouldn't have stopped Bush and his mantra from dismembering Serbia.The
geostrategic US & EU energy interests dictated the creation of an artificial state in the name of kosovo.
The sole purpose of the SAA signing is to help the political forces in Serbia which will be more inclined to follow EU friendly policies.In other words is nothing more than a blunt EU
interference to Serbia's domestic politics.

What he and other Serb patriots are wondering is...WHY NOW?

Just before the elections, when DSS/SRS combine is poised to triumph...

When half the EU has recognized Kosovo, what meaning does it hold now...??

Did Tadic examine the commissions he gets for deceiving the Serbs?

as i said earlier, it´s in the interest of the R.F. to have 3 serbian voices (serbia, montenegro, r.srpska)within eu.

especially when you see the 17-10 outcome of so-called kosovo indiependence.

but it´s still up to us to change this horror-scenario, so go to the polls.

don´t turn holy serbia into a us-province!

I agree with Mr Lavrov, both Serbia and the EU should have made faster efforts to sign the SAA.

Then this would not be an election issue in Serbia with talk of judas and so on.

the compromise:
1)EU WILL TAKE WESTERN BALKAN UNDER HIS ARM AND WILL GRANT Russia main business of gas transport
2)Russia will "take over" Georgia-Ukraine-Moldova with the consensus of EU main countries..
Business will flourish and everyone will be happy !! (not everyone but...)

Seems to me that Lavrov is playing pretty well in the hands of Tadic and openly against Kostunica.
Am I wrong?

Seems to me that if the EU really intended to ever allow Serbia to join the EU that they would have done everything in their power to get Serbia into the EU BEFORE dealing with Kosovo. At that point, borders would have been "softer" and Kosovo Albanians would have always had the EU to whine to about any "human rights" issues.

Instead, the EU waited and that wait must have been for a reason, other than the Karardzic/Mladic handover.

My sense is that Serbia is getting set up, once again, for a big disappointment on the EU issue regardless of who gets elected. This SAA is a ploy, for which the ultimate purpose will not likely become completely apparent until later.

"better late than never"-Lavrov said.Wandering what Mr.Kostunica things about it?

“We believe that there is still hope of reaching a mutually acceptable solution for Kosovo,“ he ventured. (Lavrov)

Lavrov is right: first Kosovo, then Serbia. first cooperation with Den Hague, then SAA. it's clear even for Russia.

Luigi,

I would say: we rather need our best ally and friend INSIDE of E.U. than rambling and showing a middle finger to everyone outside of E.U.

Besides, the entire SAA is essentially crossing UDI out. Of course, SAA wouldn't be signed if the idiot EU politicians would not recognize UDI first, than get into panic later.

In my opinion now they (EU) gave a huge gun in Serbian (and Russian) hands. SAA is a major victory - but now it's up Serbs and Russians, how to use it. For instance, one can have a huge gun and obliterate his enemies with one shot.... or shot yourself. It's question, how the gun is used.

Time will tell, am I correct on this one or not. I kind of see what Tadic-Jeremic duo is up to. I kind of don't see what Kostunica-Nikolic' duo is up to. Maybe they have a secret plan... who knows? But i seem to be a VERY secret plan and today's Russian mainstream politics is not part of it unless Zhirinovsky will become a mainstream.

I think Mr. Lavrov fails to state something really important here.
Agreement among whom? EU, US and Russia. Albanian and Serbs. Serbs EU and US. Albanians and Russia. What agreement are you talking about. If you have one drop of realism in you Mr. Lavrov you should know by now that Serbs and Albanians are not going to have a mutual agreement about Kosova ever. It's like trying to meet at the same point the north pole with Antarctica. As a matter of fact, when it came to Kosova throughout history, it has been the outside powers that have been determinant throughout its history. Those who had stronger friends got Kosova. This time around is not any different. Its simple.

“We believe that there is still hope of reaching a mutually acceptable solution for Kosovo,“ he ventured.
Just clear the path to a democratic, european state of Kosovo to be UN member. Sooner the better.

Lavrov is totally right, as far as the legal issues are concerned. K-Albanians wouldn't have much legal ground to demand independence if they joined the EU as a part of Serbia.
Another problem is that Bush era brought to the world total disrespect for law.Everything is possible- there are no rules anymore if that is what USA and their allies want.
(hopefully this will once come to an end, I mean just look what USA is doing in Iraq!?)
But 'Europe' isn't much better either. Their politics is immature and infantile and submissive to any whims of the USA. Especially Germans and Brits who are stirring conflicts everywhere.
Luckily, there is world beyond them and they are watching
this circus with 'Kosovo state'. They know this 'state' will not last.
Of course Serbia is going to prove to be right in future. Look and see!

Many miss the clear point Lavrov makes - i.e. if this was signed as it should have been then there would have been stability and no dumd illegality!

Thus now the onus will be thrown back at the EU who will now face a resurgent Serbian government willing to stand firm on its Sovereignty and insist that the EU respects its UN recognised international borders unless of course the EU really dont mean what they say about wanting Serbia and stability in the western balkans!

The bluff is about to be called and like Lavrov says it could all have been dealt with years ago ah but then oh what a tangled web EU weave...

Do you really mean that Lavrorv ?? Why diden't you suggest this to Serbia before?

I know that Serbia has become a problem for you Russia. You are fooling serbs so you can use Serbias territory for your own buessnies. But now when you realise that you have no power to help Serbia you try to put them away to EU.

Kosova is a done deal and you have no power to help Serbia. And Serbia has now writen SAA with EU and you just respect it ?

You are just getting rid of your problem wich is Serbia.

The question is then will Serbia help you with your gas-transport ? I dont think so because you dident help Serbia to keep Kosovo. Yor countrys resistens to Kosovos independence just helped the americans to fight harder over Kosovos independence. The lesson is what Russia want, the USA want the opposite.


Congratulation Russia you have nothing to say only ''thats good'' and ''thats bad''. You have no power to decide somthing. Haven't you notice that your country is the same as Serbia and you trying to help Serbia?? You have no power for that.

The only reason why Russia supports the SAA is because the document truly honors its name: it promotes stabilization and is therefore good for the EU, for Russia, for the region and, especially, for Serbia itself. It has absolutely nothing to do with Kosovo from any point of view, whether legal or political, as proves the Russian support. Being specialist in International Law, I am absolutely against the independence of Kosovo, which is a legal nonsense (and, in addition, a political mistake), but I do support the SAA because it has no relation whatsoever with the defense of Kosovo as integral part of Serbia and it will help in promoting Serbian interests by strengthening the country.

is Mr. Lavrov the bad guy for Serbia now? hey, kind posting top diplomats in the UK and where ever you where at these times: Mr. Lavrov lost a lot of time with Serbia during the negotiations of the EU Troika. was it the EU or Russia, who stopped these talkings? who wasted the time of the others? who was not working on a mutual solution, but had time enough for to change the constitution, because of the illusion of receiving a better strategic position then? what Lavrov says: it was Serbia who gave Kosovo enough time to prepare it's UDI quite well! and do you think, this process was stopped in the meantime and anyone is waiting on the election results of May 11th? that's the message of Lavrov, and it would be the truth, even when he would'nt said it.

I'm coming off the fence! I just don't see how the Radicals will improve life in Serbia. Will they get better results on Kosovo, return of property, prosperity for Serbs. I don't think so. Joining the EU and having good relations with the West (and Russia, China, India equally) will be to our benefit in the long run. Our enemies are all hoping for a Radical victory.

It seems to me that LAVROV is already started fli-flopping on Kosova issue. Pretty soon Russia will forget Kosova and Serbia issue.

Do you really mean that Lavrorv ?? Why diden't you suggest this to Serbia before?

I know that Serbia has become a problem for you Russia. You are fooling serbs so you can use Serbias territory for your own buessnies. But now when you realise that you have no power to help Serbia you try to put them away to EU.

Kosova is a done deal and you have no power to help Serbia. And Serbia has now writen SAA with EU and you just respect it ?

You are just getting rid of your problem wich is Serbia.

The question is then will Serbia help you with your gas-transport ? I dont think so because you dident help Serbia to keep Kosovo. Yor countrys resistens to Kosovos independence just helped the americans to fight harder over Kosovos independence. The lesson is what Russia want, the USA want the opposite.


Congratulation Russia you have nothing to say only ''thats good'' and ''thats bad''. You have no power to decide somthing. Haven't you notice that your country is the same as Serbia and you trying to help Serbia?? You have no power for that.

“We believe that there is still hope of reaching a mutually acceptable solution for Kosovo,“ he ventured.
Just clear the path to a democratic, european state of Kosovo to be UN member. Sooner the better.

“We believe that there is still hope of reaching a mutually acceptable solution for Kosovo,“ he ventured. (Lavrov)

Lavrov is right: first Kosovo, then Serbia. first cooperation with Den Hague, then SAA. it's clear even for Russia.

Seems to me that Lavrov is playing pretty well in the hands of Tadic and openly against Kostunica.
Am I wrong?

“I am convinced today, that had not so many years been wasted on discussions about how to deal with Serbia’s European perspective, we would not have the problems that we’ve got from Kosovo’s illegal independence declaration and recognition,” Lavrov lamented.

With all due respect mr Lavrov i peg to disagree on your above statement. The EU
perspective wouldn't have stopped Bush and his mantra from dismembering Serbia.The
geostrategic US & EU energy interests dictated the creation of an artificial state in the name of kosovo.
The sole purpose of the SAA signing is to help the political forces in Serbia which will be more inclined to follow EU friendly policies.In other words is nothing more than a blunt EU
interference to Serbia's domestic politics.

I think Mr. Lavrov fails to state something really important here.
Agreement among whom? EU, US and Russia. Albanian and Serbs. Serbs EU and US. Albanians and Russia. What agreement are you talking about. If you have one drop of realism in you Mr. Lavrov you should know by now that Serbs and Albanians are not going to have a mutual agreement about Kosova ever. It's like trying to meet at the same point the north pole with Antarctica. As a matter of fact, when it came to Kosova throughout history, it has been the outside powers that have been determinant throughout its history. Those who had stronger friends got Kosova. This time around is not any different. Its simple.

“The EU supports Georgia’s territorial integrity,“ was Solana’s view of the matter.

Can you believe this guy? How come you don't support Serbia's territorial integrity Javier? You were asked point blank by Kostunica whether the EU wants to accept Serbia as a WHOLE into its club, and you refused to answer. And then you have the gall to claim that you 'love Serbia'. You loved it while illegally bombing it for 78 days didn't you?
Javier, all of Serbia sees right through you, you are a man of absolutely no character, and even less morals. How you can sleep at night is beyond me.

the compromise:
1)EU WILL TAKE WESTERN BALKAN UNDER HIS ARM AND WILL GRANT Russia main business of gas transport
2)Russia will "take over" Georgia-Ukraine-Moldova with the consensus of EU main countries..
Business will flourish and everyone will be happy !! (not everyone but...)

There would be no IUDI if the SAA had been signed beforehand but by design the plan was to do it afterwards. Why would the EU make life difficult for itself?

Serbia now needs a strong and united government to stand tall and firm on the issue of Kosovo, the economy and development.

Unfortunately, the DS are a submissive party and in deep with the very people trying to buy Kosovo and attempting to make Serbians bow to them.

Keep Serbia free!

Luigi,

I would say: we rather need our best ally and friend INSIDE of E.U. than rambling and showing a middle finger to everyone outside of E.U.

Besides, the entire SAA is essentially crossing UDI out. Of course, SAA wouldn't be signed if the idiot EU politicians would not recognize UDI first, than get into panic later.

In my opinion now they (EU) gave a huge gun in Serbian (and Russian) hands. SAA is a major victory - but now it's up Serbs and Russians, how to use it. For instance, one can have a huge gun and obliterate his enemies with one shot.... or shot yourself. It's question, how the gun is used.

Time will tell, am I correct on this one or not. I kind of see what Tadic-Jeremic duo is up to. I kind of don't see what Kostunica-Nikolic' duo is up to. Maybe they have a secret plan... who knows? But i seem to be a VERY secret plan and today's Russian mainstream politics is not part of it unless Zhirinovsky will become a mainstream.

I agree with Mr Lavrov, both Serbia and the EU should have made faster efforts to sign the SAA.

Then this would not be an election issue in Serbia with talk of judas and so on.

as i said earlier, it´s in the interest of the R.F. to have 3 serbian voices (serbia, montenegro, r.srpska)within eu.

especially when you see the 17-10 outcome of so-called kosovo indiependence.

but it´s still up to us to change this horror-scenario, so go to the polls.

don´t turn holy serbia into a us-province!

But that was exactly the point of having the SAA after the udi of 'kosova', signing it before would imply the integrity of Serbia
which was unacceptable to Solana and his serbophobes.
Judas are doing a very lucrative business in Serbia, at the moment.

Seems to me that if the EU really intended to ever allow Serbia to join the EU that they would have done everything in their power to get Serbia into the EU BEFORE dealing with Kosovo. At that point, borders would have been "softer" and Kosovo Albanians would have always had the EU to whine to about any "human rights" issues.

Instead, the EU waited and that wait must have been for a reason, other than the Karardzic/Mladic handover.

My sense is that Serbia is getting set up, once again, for a big disappointment on the EU issue regardless of who gets elected. This SAA is a ploy, for which the ultimate purpose will not likely become completely apparent until later.

What he and other Serb patriots are wondering is...WHY NOW?

Just before the elections, when DSS/SRS combine is poised to triumph...

When half the EU has recognized Kosovo, what meaning does it hold now...??

Did Tadic examine the commissions he gets for deceiving the Serbs?

The only reason why Russia supports the SAA is because the document truly honors its name: it promotes stabilization and is therefore good for the EU, for Russia, for the region and, especially, for Serbia itself. It has absolutely nothing to do with Kosovo from any point of view, whether legal or political, as proves the Russian support. Being specialist in International Law, I am absolutely against the independence of Kosovo, which is a legal nonsense (and, in addition, a political mistake), but I do support the SAA because it has no relation whatsoever with the defense of Kosovo as integral part of Serbia and it will help in promoting Serbian interests by strengthening the country.

"better late than never"-Lavrov said.Wandering what Mr.Kostunica things about it?

Lavrov is totally right, as far as the legal issues are concerned. K-Albanians wouldn't have much legal ground to demand independence if they joined the EU as a part of Serbia.
Another problem is that Bush era brought to the world total disrespect for law.Everything is possible- there are no rules anymore if that is what USA and their allies want.
(hopefully this will once come to an end, I mean just look what USA is doing in Iraq!?)
But 'Europe' isn't much better either. Their politics is immature and infantile and submissive to any whims of the USA. Especially Germans and Brits who are stirring conflicts everywhere.
Luckily, there is world beyond them and they are watching
this circus with 'Kosovo state'. They know this 'state' will not last.
Of course Serbia is going to prove to be right in future. Look and see!

Many miss the clear point Lavrov makes - i.e. if this was signed as it should have been then there would have been stability and no dumd illegality!

Thus now the onus will be thrown back at the EU who will now face a resurgent Serbian government willing to stand firm on its Sovereignty and insist that the EU respects its UN recognised international borders unless of course the EU really dont mean what they say about wanting Serbia and stability in the western balkans!

The bluff is about to be called and like Lavrov says it could all have been dealt with years ago ah but then oh what a tangled web EU weave...

is Mr. Lavrov the bad guy for Serbia now? hey, kind posting top diplomats in the UK and where ever you where at these times: Mr. Lavrov lost a lot of time with Serbia during the negotiations of the EU Troika. was it the EU or Russia, who stopped these talkings? who wasted the time of the others? who was not working on a mutual solution, but had time enough for to change the constitution, because of the illusion of receiving a better strategic position then? what Lavrov says: it was Serbia who gave Kosovo enough time to prepare it's UDI quite well! and do you think, this process was stopped in the meantime and anyone is waiting on the election results of May 11th? that's the message of Lavrov, and it would be the truth, even when he would'nt said it.

I'm coming off the fence! I just don't see how the Radicals will improve life in Serbia. Will they get better results on Kosovo, return of property, prosperity for Serbs. I don't think so. Joining the EU and having good relations with the West (and Russia, China, India equally) will be to our benefit in the long run. Our enemies are all hoping for a Radical victory.