Pro-Serbia rally staged in Moscow

Its great to see a support for Serbia coming from Russian public. I think it holds much weight, perhaps even more so than politicians.

I am sure tons of American youth are about to rally for Albanians in Washington DC.
Any day now...

It's good the Russians are doing this; awesome to have their support. I think the next stage is for Serbia to send in troops into Kosovo to help disband the illegal government since negotiations and law have been abandoned by Western bureaucracy. How much negotiations were initially held for Tibet vs China - none. You didn't see America getting involved there nor did you see NATO. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
There's absolutely NO way to argue for Kosovo's nationhood or sovereignty. If you choose to do so, then you also choose to reject a UN Security Council Resolution (resolution 1244), which is illegal. There are no loopholes here, law must be upheld. I understand the Albanians form a majority, but how is this justification for a nation? My family forms a majority on my property in America, yet we stand no chance for independance. How about the Latinos throughout southern US-no way. The worst part is that the Albanians didn't even want to negotiate terms other than 100% independence. You call that negotiation? Serbia was all for wide autonomy.

So, in conclusion, I would like to say Kosovo independance is a no-no and go Russia!

Thank you Russia! You should open military basis on Serbian territory, to brig some balans and keep an eye on that Camp Bondsteel, to see what are Americans up to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

Thank you to our Russian friends. Serbia is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with those that share our interests.

We are a proud people who are NOT going to kneel and kiss feet, which seems to be common practice in the West.

Keep moving forward Serbia and Russia!

Thank you Russia, from all Serbs everywhere. We are very greatful for your principled support against this illegal NATO aggression against Serbia. Thanks in large part to you, their 'greater albania' project has failed miserably.
I am proud that Serbia will be the first country in the region who will flat out tell NATO to go to p.m. (ask your Serbian friends for the translation). We are not, never have been, and never will be, slaves and bootlickers to anyone. That is what distinguishes us from the our neighbours.
I sincerely hope that Serbia forges ever closer ties with Russia, and that this brotherhood and partnership gets stronger and stronger until we eject the illegal occupiers of our soil.
Ziveli!!

It’s a beautiful thing! Indeed many Russians, at least ones with any sense of history, do feel that Serbia is Russia’s conscience. Russia’s impotence in regard to Yugoslavia’s partition and the ethnic cleansing of Serbs by NATO and its Muslim and Croatian proxies is a permanent stain on Russia’s historical record unmatched by anything done in Eastern Europe in the name of Communism. It was Yugoslavia’s ultimate misfortune that at the moment it was most vulnerable, its most significant ally was figuratively and literally, drunk. That, however, is clearly in the past along with the earlier slights of your nation by the soulless Georgian. The future is these young people.
I still remain weary of the true motivations of Russia’s current ruling elite; there are times where the bottom line seems to be their main, if not only, motivation. You know the Communists would never have missed the current opportunity to align closely with Serbia militarily, regardless of cost. But this crew is nothing if not intelligent; they have certainly handled the Kosovo situation much better than the US/EU and have exerted their influence in subtle ways, as opposed to the US/EU embarrassingly heavy handed good cop-bad cop, carrot and stick approach. While I still need to be further convinced of their integrity I have faith that, God willing, they will do the right thing for a variety of reasons.
To the Russian – Serbian brotherhood; one faith, one race!

The Russians in general are even more radical over the Kosovo issue than the Serbs themselves. All because that the US led countries have done the same things agaist Russians and the Serbs while being unrevenged. So every step the Russian government undertakes towards Serbia increases it's popularity inside the country and causes severe resistance abroad.

If Nikolic-Kostunica-Ilic win the elections it will mean very much for Russia. In no case such a choice will not mean anti-European but at the same time from many points of view it will be pro-Russian choice.

So Serbia may become the first to brake the trend when all Europens run to NATO. And in this case Russia becomes strongly motivated to make the Serbian choice attractive for other Europeans. Outside Europe our positions are very strong but we need success here.

Христос воскресе !

Blero,

Your English suggest that you have spent some time in the States. If that is the case, you know very well that individual Americans have no interest what so ever in the events in Kosovo. You seem to like to do math, so tell me; how much is a 1000 greater than 0? And apart from your statistical rhetoric, we all know that ordinary Russians care much more about Serbians than ordinary Americans do about Albanians. In fact, most Americans know nothing about the Balkans in general and Albania (Greater or lesser) in particular. In my neck of the woods, if you ask anyone what they know about Albanians, the second most popular answer to “nothing,” would be “those are the guys who planed to attack Fort Dix!” Realize, for every Russian who took time from their Easter Holiday, the most important holiday in our culture, there are thousands who share their views.

I can say for sure that 99% od all americans are on Serbian and Russian side when it comes to Kosovo and albanians.They hate what their government has done just to shut up arabs,who in turn don`t care about what americans think or do.Prices of oil are the first indication and the world is changing for the better and everyone likes the new sherrif much better.

To the russian cat :)
ваистину воскресе. and ваистину, so will we as a nation. if ruskies are there for us as we do, all the sweeter. but we'll do it anyway.

ДРУГ,

Ваистину воскресе!

"… US led countries … done the same things against Russians and the Serbs …"

Exactly. Destruction of Yugoslavia and attempted annihilation of Serbs was, (among the other things), preparation for later onslaught on Russia. There are many similarities between Yugoslavia - SSSR and Serbia - Russia. They used us as the test polygon for creating, testing and developing strategies and tactics for destruction of Russia. They did to us what they would like to do to you, if they just could.

"… Serbia may become the first to brake the trend when all Europeans run to NATO…"

Although practically everyone in Serbia is fed up with a western dirty politics, many Serbs still want to join EU. Some still believe that this is an express ticket for high living standard, others are just tired of hardships and wars and afraid of the new NATO attacks and don't want that our country becomes radioactive desert (DU). This group don't like West for all what they have done to us, but just hope that we will finally be left alone to leave our lives more or less normally if we join EU. This group is still under impression of all mighty US rampage from the nineties. They see that EU is surrounding us from all sides and don't see an alternative. They didn't yet fully comprehend depth off changes in international relations and new balans of powers from the last couple of years.

But, very different then EU, support for joining NATO is almost non existent. NATO is deeply unpopular, to put it mildly. So, all together, yes, it doesn't take a lot for Serbia to brake a trend. If we manage to show that Serbia can live and prosper without submitting to the west, majority of citizens would support it.

"…So every step the Russian government undertakes towards Serbia increases it's popularity inside the country…"

"… they will do the right thing for a variety of reasons.
To the Russian – Serbian brotherhood; one faith, one race!…"

Music to our ears, thanks!

Stevan, 28 April 2008 19:20

Dear Stevan ! I appreciate for the sentimental things you write about Russia in all your posts here !

I believe the things run much better now. I follow US & EU Mass Media with great pleasure. Most of the things they dislike in modern Russia can be summarized as RUSSIA BECAME TOO STRONG AND INDEPENDENT. Serbia can gain of this streght real security and real prosperity.

Please don't judge Russua for the weak support of Serbia during these few months. First of all because of the drastic changes in the Russian and Serbian elites. You will understand my meaning but there's Serbian guilt in it too ...

I hope in the end of May Russia will start desisive steps to support Serbia. You know Russia is the only state in the whole world whose aid to Serbia increases the loyality of ordinary people for their government. Moreover Russian here don't even try to conceal our shame not to support you in 1999. Most of the people and the elite believe that we betrayed you then. But we had here an OTPOR of our own with Eltsin at their head ... Russia could do a lot of things then but we only talked and demoralized the Serbs ...

Now it's quite different. Russia has understood that the West is not going to stop by themselves and any good will they accept as a sign of weakness. Look how many things they are now ready to do for Serbia just to stop it's shifting towards Russia !

Russian Peple always had special sympathies for the Serbs ,the Bulgarians and the Greeks. But Bulgarians has always betrayed us as soon as they received such a chance .They supported Germany in WW1 & WW2 and now they are a NATO member ... The Serbs have never done this. One year ago Serbia refused to sell tanks to Georgia and a Serbian Minister commented it as follows :"We will sooner starve than we will sell weapons to the enemies of Russia !!!!!!" What money such words can be measured with ?!

Dear Stevan ! We have a proverb here that one beaten man costs of two unbeaten ones. I believe the God is our side . Otherwise Russia would never get up from the knees. Whatever they say Russia is a big building place now with gas and oil to compose only 1/3 of the GNP. So there's no place for our pessimism. Moreover we seek no confrontation with the US&Co and I believe one day we'll bring peace to the Bakans too.

Вперед , братушки !
-

I am a radical for free speech, but there are times the Albanian comments on this site can get tiresome. I usually have no interest in responding to their provocations here – this site is not about them, but can someone suggest an English language Albanian/Kosovo Albanian site of this type were I can attempt to educate them about what is being done to them?

I am sure tons of American youth are about to rally for Albanians in Washington DC.
Any day now...
(BKK, 28 April 2008 15:02)

BKK,
I wouldn’t brag about 1000 demonstrators.
If I am right Russia’s population stands at over 141 million.
If you put the number in % you get less than 0.00071% of the population.

If you want to put that in the perspective of Serbia:
It is the same as if 53 Serbs demonstrated for Russia.

Russia is a true supporter of Serbs.

Serbia should realize and act accordingly...
But signing the SAA is not at all appropriate.

Oh my goodness, what will Albanians do now? Doom is upon us! 1000 Russian teenagers gathered in Moscow! They called out on the Albanian mafia, when the Russian mafia is the largest and most organized in the world. Oh this is so painful, we can't survive!.....not.

Here's my idea to these Russian kids. Join the Russian army, pray that your dictator Putin sends you to Serbia (very unlikely), and then you can have a chance to use the weapons yourselves instead of giving them to Serbs. Easy right? Too bad it won't happen...

1) The sympathy of 99.99% of Russians is clearly with Serbia - there is no doubt.

2) Many Americans probably do not know, where Russia is, save Serbia or Albania. They may think, Kosovo is near Bagdad, Bagdad is Belgrade, Slovakia is Slovenia and Bucharest is Budapest.

3) Indeed, part of Yugoslavia's problem was Russia ruled by vodkacracy.

4) Russia's political interest is Serbia being INSIDE of E.U., even at the cost of Kosovo. On the other side, Russia's political interest is to show, they cannot be bullied. One reason of Kosovo "independency" was clearly to test, how far Russia can be pushed. Russia's direction is to show that they are not easy to push while the same time steer Serbia towards E.U. Russia needs their best friend INSIDE, not OUTSIDE of E.U.; they (we) don't need one more province. Russian missiles are good enough on Russian territory - there is very little need for external bases.
This is a very complicated diplomatic task and too many, sometimes contradicting interests.

One is sure: Serbia in E.U. would obliterate Albanian separatism and KosovA would cease to exist. Even joining Schengen White List is a deathblow to it: it would deprive the "KosovA Banana Republic" of it's own "citizens" - they will simply use Serbian passports. KosovA leaders all have foreign passports - what a joke. Imagine, Putin having a Serbian or Bush a Swiss citizenship.

Russia saved you from Austro-Hungarians, Tiot's partisans (Chetniks stopped fighting or joined the Nazis) and allies saved you from the Nazis, Slovenia beat you just with anti-tank weapons, Croatia pwnd you and took Krajina back. Shall I mention NATO ? If war is what you want, you will not be able to take Kosovo even after NATO leaves. Kosovo will be armed and Albania is modernizing its army. Wake up and stop this war thing. It has left you in the dark.
(James, 28 April 2008 20:10)

James,

Your comment in the paragraph of what can be described as basically 'drivel' was completely contradictory to what I believe you were trying to say. Quote "Wake up and stop this war thing".

I disagree with the final statement about Serbia being left in the dark! What left Serbia, not in the dark but on the fringes of the International Arena was the effects of a 78 day ILLEGAL bombing campaign by NATO, followed by 10 years of political aggression by the same institutions.

I truly hope that the circumstances change for the good of Serbia because the International community has acted abhorently towards them and this will never be forgotten by the Serb communities.

blero, 29 April 2008 09:42

Though your calculations are adressed to another Sergey I shall also tell what I think of it.

1. As you know Russians has always been the best mathematics in the world. All because they were realistic and never calculated their formulas based on such a fake basis like you do it here for the second time. How can you estimate 142 mln of Russians who live thousands kilometers apart ? So if you calculate the demostrates compared to the inhabitants of Moscow it's gonna be equal to some 500 Serbs which is already enough to write it home about.
2. Russian elite enjoys full support of the people as for our Serbian politics are concerned. The only thing people here usually disagree is the volume of our support. Most of the Russians demand not simbolic support as we can see by now but a desisive support. A support which will be enouch to save Serbia from your grasp and let them deside free where to go and how to live.
3. Russian people are quite different from most of the Europeans as for the expressions of their feelings are concerned. Very little do we go to any demostrations. But if necessary a lot of those to remain home during the Serbian March will join the Serbs as volunteers.
4. Your helpless barking can do nothing with the long lasting mutual sypmathy and spirital unity of the two brother nations. And my meaning is not so much about the Orthodox religion we both share but the firm spirit to stand till the end both of the nations have in their blood veins and their DNA.
5. I appreciate you for your hatred for both the Serbs and the Russians ! Such people do not let us relax in this cruel world you established for the sake of the Golden Billion. Thank you ever so much !

Long live Serbia !

blero, 29 April 2008 10:29

While Sergei is absent here I can entertain you with few questions. First because I am also Sergei and second because you consider yourself to be "a radical for free speech but it has to match my (your)strict rules."

1. Does it "match your strict rules" to apologize the Serbs for the Barbarian bombings of their innocent children , wifes , parents ect. ? If so why not to do it right now instead of poisoning the site with your imaginations ?

2. What do you think of many western people to come here to express their support and sympathy for the Serbs being treated by you and the kind so severe and so unjust all these years ?

3. Why do you think the Golden Billion has done nothing for Serbia all these 9 years after your faschist attack at peceful cities ? Why should you be so generous for them as soon as Russia has started to revive our historic ties ?

4. Which of the peoples in the whole world is most friendly to the Serbs ?

5. Do you think the SAA ,the visa abolishment and other helpless steps to tear Serbia away from the only big friendly power they have are symbols of the traditional Atlantic hypocrisy ?

7. Do you think in the circumstances Serbia can gain more from the stagnaiting West or from the fast growing Russia ?

blero, 29 April 2008 12:18)

Listen you ! If you dare to stand against me please stop this cheap round about talks and give me direct answers for my all 6 questions. Don't forget to apologize. This is the main term under which I agree to educate you about mathematics and the rest.

Next thing you can do is to put me as many direct quetions as you like. Be sure you will have direct and open answers for all of them. But if you are scared to take of your mask then get out of my way and bark from far away not to attract my attention any longer. Someone who fears even to identify the country he is barking from doesn't worth spending my time.
.

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 13:45)

Orthodox,
You might believe that you can educate people on mathematics and chess.
Sorry Orthodox, you need first to learn basic manners to be able to do that.
The same applies if you want to be in this forum.
As per your maths Orthodox:
After number 5 comes number 6 (not seven).
I have also put intentionally a mathematical error in my last response to you.
With your mathematical knowledge you should have no problem finding it.
And by the way, I am “barking” from Kosovo.

blero, 29 April 2008 13:39

I've got one direct reply for my 6 quetions. Yet I learned you are of Albanian origin and it explains many things. So I have other quetions for you as the first Albanian I am in contact with :

1. Do you think the Serbs deserved those bombs more that you A-people did ?

2. How honest is it to gain independence from those who hosted you 50 years ago ?

3. How noble (if only you understand the meaning ) is it to attract half of the world just to legalize the traffic ?

4. Do you A-people understand that offences and insults are forgotten no sooner than they are revenged for ? And if so how long are you going to live with an axe above your head ?

5. Why do you think Orthodox Ukrain bragades fought against the Serbs on the A-people's side ?

6. Do you think the Serbs has stopped the deintegration of some other countries to be unluck havin A-people as minority or you are still going to ruin them too ?

6. Is there any nation in the whole world to love the A-people the way Russians love the Serbs ? And why do you think there's no such a nation ?

7. How many clans de facto rule now the Serbian province ? Some say there are tree of them and some say that only two ... Which one do you personally belong to and what is your specialization ? I know a man in Mazari-Shariff who can help you.

8. Why is the Islamic world so sceptic about the K-Albanistan ? Is it because you drink wine in the TV or because the fake state was established by the Kafeers with the main Shaitan at their head ?

(blero, 29 April 2008 13:39)

The last time I looked at the GDP Russia stud at the 10th place after USA, Japan, Germany, China, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Spain and Brazil.

How does it happen that the traffic people are the last to know the best of the knews ! Those were old papers from your toilet ! Read fresher ones to be disappointed how fast the things change.

Canada ,Italy ,France ect. are all behind. Next year Russia's GNP is expected to be the second in Europe and in 3-4 years to come we shall naturally be NUMBER ONE IN EUROPE ! This is the place historically to belong Russia. Please do not dobt the Serbs will have a piece of their own from that pie while the stagnating West will go on hating and helping you at the same time.

By the way is there a nation in Europe which doesn't hate you but only dislikes you ? Why only few occupied and puppet Muslim states has recognized you ?

Orthodox,

I really hope you understand what you are talking about because I for sure don’t.
Let’s see: You start with Koran, move to the Bible and then decide to get Serbs flying to the moon.
I personally believe you would be great in forums about Freud.
In order for anybody to continue civilised discussion with you, you should learn some basic manners.
I don’t have the time and the desire to teach you that.
You can respond to this with as many insults you wish, I will not be responding to your comment no more.

To B92:
If you read your policy of the comment putting (see below from your own site):
“Comments which include insults, indecencies, racial or national hate messages and intolerance of any kind will not be published. Hateful words are not allowed on B92’s site.”
Next time if you have the courtesy of altering several of my comments can you please do that for the other party as well (especially comment #40)? Basic manners and respect have not been obeyed however published. Bravo B92.

1."Milosevic regime was not willing to take that."

Slobo is now judged by the Almighty and if only you ever kept Koran in your hands you should know that "No sooner the sinner will enter the Gate of Parasdise than a camel gets through a needle hole." Yet I am glad to hear the first recognition that the common Serbs did not deserve those bombs.

2. "I am a bit confused with this however I will try to respond as I understand it."

Kindly don't forget it !

3. " I really do not understand the question..."

As you remember this is what I feared from the begining. Though I am not professor Webster I'll try to explain what NOBLE MAN means. When in WW2 the Serbs led by Tito and Mihailovic and the Albanians led by E.Hodja fought the Germans while the rest of Europe waited the Russians to come you both acted as NOBLE PEOPLE who did not cared the price you have to pay for it. South Ossetians who are 80 times smaller nation than the Georgians they have defeated twice are also NOBLE PEOPLE to prefer dying instead of living in a cage. But when you attract NATO to legalize the traffic it is not honest and in no case it is not noble !

4. " We are willing to have good relations with Serbia, Russia and every nation in this planet."

How can I trust you when you do nothing for it. As soon as you make a compromise with our brothers you will have Russia's support as a bonus. You know the US influence in the Islamic world is in no comparison with the Russian one. So Inshallah Russia will ask our Muslim friends to accept you to their world.

5. "Ukranian orthodox brigades did not fight on our side."

Stop kidding ! The West Ukraine nationalists boast it over the TV with photos and videos available ! They do not care A-people but they hate the Serbs for their unity with the Russians. Nothing personal just business !

to be continued ...

Surprisingly I find my self reading more and more from this website and now I have actually taken an interest in the historical events that may have contributed to the current situation. Sadly I find a lack of logic from most contributors to this forum and its not hard to recognise the hatred echoing through, what a waste of energy. No body can really blame Mother Russia for trying to protect the interests of her Children, but the irony is that the Serbian people (where ever they came from) now find their home in Europe (anyone disputing this just needs a short history in Geography) and maybe its about time they realized this and worked on ways to bridge the gap (the ethnical differences) instead of trying to widen it!

No one can deny the historical link between Russia and Serbia, but a study of modern day history will reveal that the Serbian people have a lot more in common with the Bosnians, some Slovenians and some Croats, not to mention Montenegro, so its ludicrous that they dont start to redesign the "Serbian Road Map"and start on developing healthy relations with all these countries, including Kosovo, as after all is said in done, these are the people that they share borders with, share trade and have to live side by side with, Russia is too far away and on a Geographical persepective, cannot really offer Serbia anything else than lip service.
One can only hope that the youth of these countries can realize that they have inherited a lot of excess luggage from the historical events of this region and they need to put these differences behind them and realize that they have a lot more in common than they think, testimony to this is that if a survey was conducted in Serbia and the youth where asked of the religious denomination of the Albanian people, I am sure that none of them would believe that Christianity is strong and alive and there is a large percentage of Albanian Orthodox people, its sad that they have succumb to the Patriotic Rhetoric which always seems to find its roots in the Church. Whats of more interest and certainly worth noting, is that within what was once Yugoslavia, the only ethnic group that was religiously tolerant are the Albanians, as they as a people, have three religions and not just the one. People need to come together and be proud of their heritage and not hang their hat of existence around religious beliefs.

The Serbian settled in the Balkans and have their future within the European People, they should stop looking back and make some hard decisions and realize their geographical location. Serbia, stop looking at what divides and separates you from the rest of the people of the Balkans and start looking at what common goals and values you all share!
Never forget that eventually and at the end of the day, you will have to come to grips with the new European movements and the true values of democracy in your neighborhood, and being able to realize this soon will ensure that your people (most peace loving)can put the burden of carrying the cancerous cell of self destruction. Give your next generation a chance to live in peace and have a better life without carrying the artificial burden of guilt. Start respecting others and their right to be different so that some of that respect may eventually come your way!

ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 11:07)

Ok Orthodox,

Let me get right the calculations you put forward.
So.... Russia is Moscow only.
This does put an interesting spin to the mathematics I knew!
Does this mean that the other cities in Russia don’t count?
I did know that Russians have always been the best chess players in the world, no question about that (game that I personally love).
When mathematics is concerned I believe that every nation has members that belong to the elite you refer to, and no nation bears the crown.

Orthodox though you find it hard to believe this, I hate no nation.
Orthodox, before 1981 some of my best friends were Serbs (by the way, these are the same friends that forced my family out our home in 1999).
And Orthodox, the sympathy you refer to.
Is it genuine or is it per need (case) bases?
Let’s see if this sympathy will be returned when the nationalistic euphoria in Serbia lessens and Serbia looks forward (towards Europe).

6.1. "If Serbia treats minorities as they deserve it should not fear any further disintegration"

I didn't ask what's gonna happen is the Serbs fly to the Moon if they pray to Mecca or do other strange things ! My question was if the Serbian resistance have saved other countries from disintegration by the A-people or not ? Serbs are the victims of you cunnung policy to hide behind the Yankees .

6.2. Stop jocking ! My question was of all A-people independently wether they make whole sale supplies from Afganistan or work as ordinary pushers somewhere in Stuttgart !

7. "I am Albanian Catholic"

OK then I'll stop using Koran as an argumentation. How does it meet with Catholic understanding DON'T STEAL ? How can you come and steal somebody's land, property ,graves ect ?

But the problem is that in my qustion 7 I asked things you have ignored to respond. So kindly mention which of the mafioso groups your family belongs to or pays money to ? And what are you personally specialized (robbery ,car steling, drugs,racket) at ?

8. "This again proves that you don’t know enough about Albanians "

This much I agree but if you go on avoiding direct answers to my questions I will no doubt remain unaware of what a wonderful people you really are ! But because greater part of you are still Muslims please tell me why are the Arabs or Iranians not happy about you ? Why not a single nation in the whole world ( including the states you have sold your souls to ) is not happy about A-people no matter who they are praying to ? How does it happened so ?

"Since I believe I did answer all your questions can you answer one of mine."

You're prisoner of your imagination ! You gave little persuasuive responds for some 60% of my quetions.

"For a Russian, member of a nation of mathematicians how does it come you miss (like missing number 6 in the first case..."

If this is the only thing you dare to ask me I am very glad ! For me it only means that you are afraid to ask me and dream to get rid of me as soon as possible ! I know you are not ready for an open discussin with no cards you can play with. So I'll give you a simple respond for your simple question :

The window for the comments is too small to see the previous number and besides this is not the detail to be payed so much attention. What is real important that you escaped big part of my questions and once even lied by promising to answer lately. So I remind you the question : " How honest is it to gain independence from those who hosted you 50 years ago ? " and your respond to it :" 2. I am a bit confused with this however I will try to respond as I understand it."

So I wonder how indeed you understand it to settle down on somebody's land and later to bring your friends to take the land away ! That's why you have no word of NOBLE in your lexicone.

(Sergei, 28 April 2008 18:27)
#11

Sergei,

You can try to give it any colour you want to.
One fact remains.
1000 out of 141 million is a pitiful number.
But hey, that is only my personal opinion.
Now, another question?
How many of them were actual Russians and how many of them were Serbs.
Did "Mirjana Markovic and the Milosevic family" take part?

were I can attempt to educate them about what is being done to them?
(Sergei, 28 April 2008 21:47)
#19

It seems that all of our prayers have finally come true.
We will finally get the education we desperately needed!!!!
Please Sergei, educate us. What is being done to us?
Also Sergei being a radical for free speech as you put it, how colourful and free speech would you like to have this forum if only pro-Serbian and pro-Russian voices are heard.
Not very pro-free-speech Sergei, wouldn’t you agree?
If the demonstrators (all 1000 of them) called your government to send army to Kosovo, how can you justify your comment stating that this site is not about us?
So your motto of the free speech radicalism can be re-defined below:
I Sergei am a radical for free speech but it has to match my strict rules.
Sergei, it seems to me that you are as much as radical for free speech as Milosevic and Stalin were.

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 11:37)

Are we in the same forum or are we talking apples and pears here?
My remark for a radical for a free speech was pointed towards Sergei’s comment.
Since you took the banner forward though, I will try to answer to your questions as good as I can.

1. What for should I apologise to Serbs? Should I apologise to them for their atrocities against my nation?
2. If facts are insulting I cannot help you there.
3. Sergei (2), any attacks at peaceful cities/villages was done by Serbian Paramilitaries and Serbian Army. Where did you get the feeling I was generous towards Serbia. Also Serbian historic ties with Russia are known and widely accepted.
4. Today Russia, tomorrow who knows?
5. I could not care less if Serbia signs or does not sign the SAA.
6. Cannot answer this as you did not put question 6.
7. Fast growing Russia? Well that depends from the relative angle you look at. Look at the official figures. The last time I looked at the GDP Russia stud at the 10th place after USA, Japan, Germany, China, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Spain and Brazil.

" Orthodox, you need first to learn basic manners ..."

If you read my posts adressed to other people you will find the drastic difference of the tone. But in any case I'll try to keep myself. But now that I know you are in Serbia I have to remind you :

Kosovo i Metohija je Srbija !

Please never forget it !
.

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 17:01)

I had a feeling this was going to be a long day.
I will try to keep it short though.
1. If you read my responses before you respond to them you would understand that I am Catholic therefore I will ignore your first response. I would ignore it even if I was Albanian Muslim. Next time please when you refer to Albanians do me a favour, leave religion out of it.
2. I still do not understand your second question (hosted???). I can only assume you are trying to imply that Serbs supported us.
3. Albanians in Kosovo have fought and died since the time began, so please do not talk to us about Nobel People. Would you say that Serbian Police and army massacring Albanian women and children is a noble act?
4. That is your opinion and there is nothing I can do to change that. And please do us a favour, don’t act on our behalf with your “Muslim Friends”.
5. If Ukrainians hate Russia (and Serbs because of their unity with you), maybe you should ask them this question.

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 14:56)

This is getting very confusing.
But in line with the agreement I will try to respond to all of you questions.

1. Orthodox, nobody deserves bombs. Every nation deserves to live in peace, be able to work and provide for his/her family. Now the question we should ask is was there a way out of that. The answer is yes but the Milosevic regime was not willing to take that.
2. I am a bit confused with this however I will try to respond as I understand it.
3. I really do not understand the question. I am happy to answer once I understand the question without any ambiguities.
4. We don’t want to live with the axe above our head. We are willing to have good relations with Serbia, Russia and every nation in this planet.
5. Ukranian orthodox brigades did not fight on our side. They were keeping the order and the security. Why where they there, I would believe because Serbs felt better having them than American Nato forces.
6. If Serbia treats minorities as they deserve it should not fear any further disintegration.
6. There is Albania.
7. I am Albanian Catholic. As such this kind of remark bears no meaning. If you want to raise question to an Albanian you should learn a bit about them. The first thing that you will read is that Albanians are Albanians whichever the religion (Muslim, Catholic or Orthodox). I doubt that you knew that Albanians have orthodox religion also.
8. This again proves that you don’t know enough about Albanians to be qualified to put forward in-depth questions. If the aim of this and the previous question was the insult......... you failed. All you proved is that you like to put questions just for the sake of it.

Since I believe I did answer all your questions can you answer one of mine.
For a Russian, member of a nation of mathematicians how does it come you miss (like missing number 6 in the first case) or add an extra (like in the last case where you had two sixes) numbers. Do you have a thing (love and hate) with number 6?

--We are not, never have been, and never will be, slaves and bootlickers to anyone. That is what distinguishes us from the our neighbours.

Yeah, and you always win the battles but lose the peace as Milosevic said. Wake up. This arrogance is the cause of your problems. In your short history as people, you got owned by the Turks for some 500 years, Russia saved you from Austro-Hungarians, Tiot's partisans (Chetniks stopped fighting or joined the Nazis) and allies saved you from the Nazis, Slovenia beat you just with anti-tank weapons, Croatia pwnd you and took Krajina back. Shall I mention NATO ? If war is what you want, you will not be able to take Kosovo even after NATO leaves. Kosovo will be armed and Albania is modernizing its army. Wake up and stop this war thing. It has left you in the dark.

Look the Albanian camp has no reason to even post on this topic.Why do you care if Russia help a support Srbija rally?How childish that you spew your anti-Serb bs any chance you get.THANK YOU RUSSIA! Even if it was one single Russian the numbers are not what is important.

blero,

My most heartfelt compliments to YOU!!!
(falling hearts background)
;)

All I can say is: forget the confused Russian teens. They should head over to Chechnya if they like to fight cause they aren't stepping foot not just in Kosovo, but not even in Serbia itself (well, maybe as tourists with a required visa). Ever.

Here we go again with the Serbian camp revealing their true racist colours.

1000 Teenagers protested? Was it infront of a government building? No?

Don't they go to school, it's free in Russia?

it is amazing how many people on this posting are experts on what the americans are and are not thnking... so let me put in my 2 cents, which i think has about twice the value of these other so-called experts. whenever i open my mouth about the balkans or ex-yugoslavia, whatever the context, people (almost to the last) say: be careful! aren't there still wars going on? and then, whenever i mention serbia, whatever the context, they say or think: war crimes/war criminals... maybe 90% of the people respond to me so, without prompts. is it fair, is it justified? you be the judge...

robert0 from frisco

What the hell. Kosova will become the new afghanistan foir Russia. That is what needs to happen. Than Serbia will realise that they have lost kosovo when after the war they also loose preshevo and medvegje.. So please let the silly nationalistic feelings go. No more blood let Kosovo be and be good neighboors

James, you got it all wrong, completrly.

"...This arrogance is the cause of your problems..."

This is not arrogance, this is basic human dignity. Our nation historically, time and time again, choose to fight for the freedom, even against many times stronger enemies.

For example, do you consider huge 1941 Belgrade demonstrations against nazi Germany, arrogance? People chanted "better grave then slave". Whole Europe trembled in fear of Germans, but here, this tiny Serb nation, dared to refuse alliance with Nazies, although our neighborous were all ready in alliance and we were completely surrounded. Germans even didn't ask that much. They "just" wanted free passage through Serb territory to attack our brothers Greeks. Serbs refused, we do not sell our friends. Serbs were fully aware of German might and consequences. They didn't think they could defet all of German Army, they new perfectly well that suffering will be tremendious, but they still saw it as their duty to resist. We believe that there are situations in life when man have to fight, even if enemy is much stronger and defiet is certain. Life is precious but it is not worth living for any price.

"... In your short history as people..."

Our history is not short.

"... you got owned by the Turks for some 500 years..."

We can certainly be defeted and occupied. After all, we are small in numbers and huge empires attacked us. But what happens after is also important. Serb Army was defeted but Serbs refused refused to submit to the conquer. They kept their culture, religion, identity alive and they continued to resist. Turks could never relax. Mountains and forests were full of the armed Serb rebels who continued fighting. Many escaped to Monte Negro and constantly fighting, managed to keep that tiny state free from Otomans, through all these centuries. Many escaped further to the west, settled in eastern border region of Austro - Hungarian Empire, Krajina, and for the centuries protected Austro - Hungarian border from the Turks.

"... Russia saved you from Austro-Hungarians..."

We will always be greatefull to Russia for their generous help. Russians helped us a lot, especially with excellent intelligence, but it is not correct to say that Russians saved us from Austro - Hungarians. Small, ill equiped Serb Army, still exhausted from the two Balkan wars, defeted bigger and much better equipped Austro - Hungarian inviding Army alone. It was totaly unexpected in Euurope. It was, (Battle of Cer), actually first victory of the Entente in the WWI.

Although so much bigger then Serbia, Autro - Hungaria could not defet us. Only together with Germany they suceded to ocupy us. But Serbia didn't surender, despite tremendous losses, (Serbia prportionaly had biggest casualties of all countries that took part in the WWI). Serbia continued to fight.


"... Tiot's partisans ...saved you from the Nazies"

??? What do you mean. Although other nations also joined partisans, Serbs, by far, were the bigest part of partisans, especialy in the very difficult begining of uprising, when we were totaly isolated without any help from nom one. Actually, talking about saving, Serb "Sesta Licka" patizan birgade from Krajina saved Tito, when Germans tried directly to catch him in the desant on Drvar.

"... allies saved you from the Nazis..."

Alies did help materialy, but figting was caried by Yugoslavs. Of all alies only SSSR actually sent Army to help us in some of the most difficult battles of the war. Many Soviet soldiers died figthing on our soil, for our freedom.

"...Slovenia beat you just with anti-tank weapons..."
Slovenian militias attacked Yugoslav conscripts Army (not Serb Army), with solders from all republics. They used confusion to kill quite a few helpless boys. Army units were sent to Slovenia with a very limited mition. They were not expected and not equiped to fight. Tanks lacked munition, canons were cowered, e.c.t. There wasn't any real figting in Slovenia. Sloven militias ambushed few JNA units, some of them shooted back, some didn't, and after that, poolback of JNA was negotiated. Slovenia at that time wouldn't have any chanse if Army was ordered to ocupy it.

"... Croatia pwnd you and took Krajina ...."

Yes, Croatia finally finished genocide aginst Serb population, with a full support of "Ïnternational Community". It is our tragedy. We will not forget it...

".. If war is what you want..."

We do not want the war. After all immense suffering our nation endured during the numerous conflicts over the generations, we are among the very few nations that fully understand what the war is. It is not our choice. However, when territorial integrity of the country is violated, war is legal option. I do think that there will be wars, (unfortunately). I don’t think that we will initiate it. That US base is not built for nothing …

Oh my goodness, what will Albanians do now? Doom is upon us! 1000 Russian teenagers gathered in Moscow! They called out on the Albanian mafia, when the Russian mafia is the largest and most organized in the world. Oh this is so painful, we can't survive!.....not.

Here's my idea to these Russian kids. Join the Russian army, pray that your dictator Putin sends you to Serbia (very unlikely), and then you can have a chance to use the weapons yourselves instead of giving them to Serbs. Easy right? Too bad it won't happen...

I am sure tons of American youth are about to rally for Albanians in Washington DC.
Any day now...
(BKK, 28 April 2008 15:02)

BKK,
I wouldn’t brag about 1000 demonstrators.
If I am right Russia’s population stands at over 141 million.
If you put the number in % you get less than 0.00071% of the population.

If you want to put that in the perspective of Serbia:
It is the same as if 53 Serbs demonstrated for Russia.

Thank you Russia! You should open military basis on Serbian territory, to brig some balans and keep an eye on that Camp Bondsteel, to see what are Americans up to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

It's good the Russians are doing this; awesome to have their support. I think the next stage is for Serbia to send in troops into Kosovo to help disband the illegal government since negotiations and law have been abandoned by Western bureaucracy. How much negotiations were initially held for Tibet vs China - none. You didn't see America getting involved there nor did you see NATO. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
There's absolutely NO way to argue for Kosovo's nationhood or sovereignty. If you choose to do so, then you also choose to reject a UN Security Council Resolution (resolution 1244), which is illegal. There are no loopholes here, law must be upheld. I understand the Albanians form a majority, but how is this justification for a nation? My family forms a majority on my property in America, yet we stand no chance for independance. How about the Latinos throughout southern US-no way. The worst part is that the Albanians didn't even want to negotiate terms other than 100% independence. You call that negotiation? Serbia was all for wide autonomy.

So, in conclusion, I would like to say Kosovo independance is a no-no and go Russia!

--We are not, never have been, and never will be, slaves and bootlickers to anyone. That is what distinguishes us from the our neighbours.

Yeah, and you always win the battles but lose the peace as Milosevic said. Wake up. This arrogance is the cause of your problems. In your short history as people, you got owned by the Turks for some 500 years, Russia saved you from Austro-Hungarians, Tiot's partisans (Chetniks stopped fighting or joined the Nazis) and allies saved you from the Nazis, Slovenia beat you just with anti-tank weapons, Croatia pwnd you and took Krajina back. Shall I mention NATO ? If war is what you want, you will not be able to take Kosovo even after NATO leaves. Kosovo will be armed and Albania is modernizing its army. Wake up and stop this war thing. It has left you in the dark.

Thank you to our Russian friends. Serbia is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with those that share our interests.

We are a proud people who are NOT going to kneel and kiss feet, which seems to be common practice in the West.

Keep moving forward Serbia and Russia!

All I can say is: forget the confused Russian teens. They should head over to Chechnya if they like to fight cause they aren't stepping foot not just in Kosovo, but not even in Serbia itself (well, maybe as tourists with a required visa). Ever.

Its great to see a support for Serbia coming from Russian public. I think it holds much weight, perhaps even more so than politicians.

I am sure tons of American youth are about to rally for Albanians in Washington DC.
Any day now...

I can say for sure that 99% od all americans are on Serbian and Russian side when it comes to Kosovo and albanians.They hate what their government has done just to shut up arabs,who in turn don`t care about what americans think or do.Prices of oil are the first indication and the world is changing for the better and everyone likes the new sherrif much better.

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 17:01)

I had a feeling this was going to be a long day.
I will try to keep it short though.
1. If you read my responses before you respond to them you would understand that I am Catholic therefore I will ignore your first response. I would ignore it even if I was Albanian Muslim. Next time please when you refer to Albanians do me a favour, leave religion out of it.
2. I still do not understand your second question (hosted???). I can only assume you are trying to imply that Serbs supported us.
3. Albanians in Kosovo have fought and died since the time began, so please do not talk to us about Nobel People. Would you say that Serbian Police and army massacring Albanian women and children is a noble act?
4. That is your opinion and there is nothing I can do to change that. And please do us a favour, don’t act on our behalf with your “Muslim Friends”.
5. If Ukrainians hate Russia (and Serbs because of their unity with you), maybe you should ask them this question.

1000 Teenagers protested? Was it infront of a government building? No?

Don't they go to school, it's free in Russia?

Here we go again with the Serbian camp revealing their true racist colours.

What the hell. Kosova will become the new afghanistan foir Russia. That is what needs to happen. Than Serbia will realise that they have lost kosovo when after the war they also loose preshevo and medvegje.. So please let the silly nationalistic feelings go. No more blood let Kosovo be and be good neighboors

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 14:56)

This is getting very confusing.
But in line with the agreement I will try to respond to all of you questions.

1. Orthodox, nobody deserves bombs. Every nation deserves to live in peace, be able to work and provide for his/her family. Now the question we should ask is was there a way out of that. The answer is yes but the Milosevic regime was not willing to take that.
2. I am a bit confused with this however I will try to respond as I understand it.
3. I really do not understand the question. I am happy to answer once I understand the question without any ambiguities.
4. We don’t want to live with the axe above our head. We are willing to have good relations with Serbia, Russia and every nation in this planet.
5. Ukranian orthodox brigades did not fight on our side. They were keeping the order and the security. Why where they there, I would believe because Serbs felt better having them than American Nato forces.
6. If Serbia treats minorities as they deserve it should not fear any further disintegration.
6. There is Albania.
7. I am Albanian Catholic. As such this kind of remark bears no meaning. If you want to raise question to an Albanian you should learn a bit about them. The first thing that you will read is that Albanians are Albanians whichever the religion (Muslim, Catholic or Orthodox). I doubt that you knew that Albanians have orthodox religion also.
8. This again proves that you don’t know enough about Albanians to be qualified to put forward in-depth questions. If the aim of this and the previous question was the insult......... you failed. All you proved is that you like to put questions just for the sake of it.

Since I believe I did answer all your questions can you answer one of mine.
For a Russian, member of a nation of mathematicians how does it come you miss (like missing number 6 in the first case) or add an extra (like in the last case where you had two sixes) numbers. Do you have a thing (love and hate) with number 6?

blero,

My most heartfelt compliments to YOU!!!
(falling hearts background)
;)

The Russians in general are even more radical over the Kosovo issue than the Serbs themselves. All because that the US led countries have done the same things agaist Russians and the Serbs while being unrevenged. So every step the Russian government undertakes towards Serbia increases it's popularity inside the country and causes severe resistance abroad.

If Nikolic-Kostunica-Ilic win the elections it will mean very much for Russia. In no case such a choice will not mean anti-European but at the same time from many points of view it will be pro-Russian choice.

So Serbia may become the first to brake the trend when all Europens run to NATO. And in this case Russia becomes strongly motivated to make the Serbian choice attractive for other Europeans. Outside Europe our positions are very strong but we need success here.

Христос воскресе !

It’s a beautiful thing! Indeed many Russians, at least ones with any sense of history, do feel that Serbia is Russia’s conscience. Russia’s impotence in regard to Yugoslavia’s partition and the ethnic cleansing of Serbs by NATO and its Muslim and Croatian proxies is a permanent stain on Russia’s historical record unmatched by anything done in Eastern Europe in the name of Communism. It was Yugoslavia’s ultimate misfortune that at the moment it was most vulnerable, its most significant ally was figuratively and literally, drunk. That, however, is clearly in the past along with the earlier slights of your nation by the soulless Georgian. The future is these young people.
I still remain weary of the true motivations of Russia’s current ruling elite; there are times where the bottom line seems to be their main, if not only, motivation. You know the Communists would never have missed the current opportunity to align closely with Serbia militarily, regardless of cost. But this crew is nothing if not intelligent; they have certainly handled the Kosovo situation much better than the US/EU and have exerted their influence in subtle ways, as opposed to the US/EU embarrassingly heavy handed good cop-bad cop, carrot and stick approach. While I still need to be further convinced of their integrity I have faith that, God willing, they will do the right thing for a variety of reasons.
To the Russian – Serbian brotherhood; one faith, one race!

To the russian cat :)
ваистину воскресе. and ваистину, so will we as a nation. if ruskies are there for us as we do, all the sweeter. but we'll do it anyway.

Thank you Russia, from all Serbs everywhere. We are very greatful for your principled support against this illegal NATO aggression against Serbia. Thanks in large part to you, their 'greater albania' project has failed miserably.
I am proud that Serbia will be the first country in the region who will flat out tell NATO to go to p.m. (ask your Serbian friends for the translation). We are not, never have been, and never will be, slaves and bootlickers to anyone. That is what distinguishes us from the our neighbours.
I sincerely hope that Serbia forges ever closer ties with Russia, and that this brotherhood and partnership gets stronger and stronger until we eject the illegal occupiers of our soil.
Ziveli!!

it is amazing how many people on this posting are experts on what the americans are and are not thnking... so let me put in my 2 cents, which i think has about twice the value of these other so-called experts. whenever i open my mouth about the balkans or ex-yugoslavia, whatever the context, people (almost to the last) say: be careful! aren't there still wars going on? and then, whenever i mention serbia, whatever the context, they say or think: war crimes/war criminals... maybe 90% of the people respond to me so, without prompts. is it fair, is it justified? you be the judge...

robert0 from frisco

(Sergei, 28 April 2008 18:27)
#11

Sergei,

You can try to give it any colour you want to.
One fact remains.
1000 out of 141 million is a pitiful number.
But hey, that is only my personal opinion.
Now, another question?
How many of them were actual Russians and how many of them were Serbs.
Did "Mirjana Markovic and the Milosevic family" take part?

were I can attempt to educate them about what is being done to them?
(Sergei, 28 April 2008 21:47)
#19

It seems that all of our prayers have finally come true.
We will finally get the education we desperately needed!!!!
Please Sergei, educate us. What is being done to us?
Also Sergei being a radical for free speech as you put it, how colourful and free speech would you like to have this forum if only pro-Serbian and pro-Russian voices are heard.
Not very pro-free-speech Sergei, wouldn’t you agree?
If the demonstrators (all 1000 of them) called your government to send army to Kosovo, how can you justify your comment stating that this site is not about us?
So your motto of the free speech radicalism can be re-defined below:
I Sergei am a radical for free speech but it has to match my strict rules.
Sergei, it seems to me that you are as much as radical for free speech as Milosevic and Stalin were.

ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 11:07)

Ok Orthodox,

Let me get right the calculations you put forward.
So.... Russia is Moscow only.
This does put an interesting spin to the mathematics I knew!
Does this mean that the other cities in Russia don’t count?
I did know that Russians have always been the best chess players in the world, no question about that (game that I personally love).
When mathematics is concerned I believe that every nation has members that belong to the elite you refer to, and no nation bears the crown.

Orthodox though you find it hard to believe this, I hate no nation.
Orthodox, before 1981 some of my best friends were Serbs (by the way, these are the same friends that forced my family out our home in 1999).
And Orthodox, the sympathy you refer to.
Is it genuine or is it per need (case) bases?
Let’s see if this sympathy will be returned when the nationalistic euphoria in Serbia lessens and Serbia looks forward (towards Europe).

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 11:37)

Are we in the same forum or are we talking apples and pears here?
My remark for a radical for a free speech was pointed towards Sergei’s comment.
Since you took the banner forward though, I will try to answer to your questions as good as I can.

1. What for should I apologise to Serbs? Should I apologise to them for their atrocities against my nation?
2. If facts are insulting I cannot help you there.
3. Sergei (2), any attacks at peaceful cities/villages was done by Serbian Paramilitaries and Serbian Army. Where did you get the feeling I was generous towards Serbia. Also Serbian historic ties with Russia are known and widely accepted.
4. Today Russia, tomorrow who knows?
5. I could not care less if Serbia signs or does not sign the SAA.
6. Cannot answer this as you did not put question 6.
7. Fast growing Russia? Well that depends from the relative angle you look at. Look at the official figures. The last time I looked at the GDP Russia stud at the 10th place after USA, Japan, Germany, China, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Spain and Brazil.

blero, 29 April 2008 12:18)

Listen you ! If you dare to stand against me please stop this cheap round about talks and give me direct answers for my all 6 questions. Don't forget to apologize. This is the main term under which I agree to educate you about mathematics and the rest.

Next thing you can do is to put me as many direct quetions as you like. Be sure you will have direct and open answers for all of them. But if you are scared to take of your mask then get out of my way and bark from far away not to attract my attention any longer. Someone who fears even to identify the country he is barking from doesn't worth spending my time.
.

(ORTHODOX.RU, 29 April 2008 13:45)

Orthodox,
You might believe that you can educate people on mathematics and chess.
Sorry Orthodox, you need first to learn basic manners to be able to do that.
The same applies if you want to be in this forum.
As per your maths Orthodox:
After number 5 comes number 6 (not seven).
I have also put intentionally a mathematical error in my last response to you.
With your mathematical knowledge you should have no problem finding it.
And by the way, I am “barking” from Kosovo.

blero, 29 April 2008 13:39

I've got one direct reply for my 6 quetions. Yet I learned you are of Albanian origin and it explains many things. So I have other quetions for you as the first Albanian I am in contact with :

1. Do you think the Serbs deserved those bombs more that you A-people did ?

2. How honest is it to gain independence from those who hosted you 50 years ago ?

3. How noble (if only you understand the meaning ) is it to attract half of the world just to legalize the traffic ?

4. Do you A-people understand that offences and insults are forgotten no sooner than they are revenged for ? And if so how long are you going to live with an axe above your head ?

5. Why do you think Orthodox Ukrain bragades fought against the Serbs on the A-people's side ?

6. Do you think the Serbs has stopped the deintegration of some other countries to be unluck havin A-people as minority or you are still going to ruin them too ?

6. Is there any nation in the whole world to love the A-people the way Russians love the Serbs ? And why do you think there's no such a nation ?

7. How many clans de facto rule now the Serbian province ? Some say there are tree of them and some say that only two ... Which one do you personally belong to and what is your specialization ? I know a man in Mazari-Shariff who can help you.

8. Why is the Islamic world so sceptic about the K-Albanistan ? Is it because you drink wine in the TV or because the fake state was established by the Kafeers with the main Shaitan at their head ?

(blero, 29 April 2008 13:39)

The last time I looked at the GDP Russia stud at the 10th place after USA, Japan, Germany, China, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Spain and Brazil.

How does it happen that the traffic people are the last to know the best of the knews ! Those were old papers from your toilet ! Read fresher ones to be disappointed how fast the things change.

Canada ,Italy ,France ect. are all behind. Next year Russia's GNP is expected to be the second in Europe and in 3-4 years to come we shall naturally be NUMBER ONE IN EUROPE ! This is the place historically to belong Russia. Please do not dobt the Serbs will have a piece of their own from that pie while the stagnating West will go on hating and helping you at the same time.

By the way is there a nation in Europe which doesn't hate you but only dislikes you ? Why only few occupied and puppet Muslim states has recognized you ?

" Orthodox, you need first to learn basic manners ..."

If you read my posts adressed to other people you will find the drastic difference of the tone. But in any case I'll try to keep myself. But now that I know you are in Serbia I have to remind you :

Kosovo i Metohija je Srbija !

Please never forget it !
.

1."Milosevic regime was not willing to take that."

Slobo is now judged by the Almighty and if only you ever kept Koran in your hands you should know that "No sooner the sinner will enter the Gate of Parasdise than a camel gets through a needle hole." Yet I am glad to hear the first recognition that the common Serbs did not deserve those bombs.

2. "I am a bit confused with this however I will try to respond as I understand it."

Kindly don't forget it !

3. " I really do not understand the question..."

As you remember this is what I feared from the begining. Though I am not professor Webster I'll try to explain what NOBLE MAN means. When in WW2 the Serbs led by Tito and Mihailovic and the Albanians led by E.Hodja fought the Germans while the rest of Europe waited the Russians to come you both acted as NOBLE PEOPLE who did not cared the price you have to pay for it. South Ossetians who are 80 times smaller nation than the Georgians they have defeated twice are also NOBLE PEOPLE to prefer dying instead of living in a cage. But when you attract NATO to legalize the traffic it is not honest and in no case it is not noble !

4. " We are willing to have good relations with Serbia, Russia and every nation in this planet."

How can I trust you when you do nothing for it. As soon as you make a compromise with our brothers you will have Russia's support as a bonus. You know the US influence in the Islamic world is in no comparison with the Russian one. So Inshallah Russia will ask our Muslim friends to accept you to their world.

5. "Ukranian orthodox brigades did not fight on our side."

Stop kidding ! The West Ukraine nationalists boast it over the TV with photos and videos available ! They do not care A-people but they hate the Serbs for their unity with the Russians. Nothing personal just business !

to be continued ...

6.1. "If Serbia treats minorities as they deserve it should not fear any further disintegration"

I didn't ask what's gonna happen is the Serbs fly to the Moon if they pray to Mecca or do other strange things ! My question was if the Serbian resistance have saved other countries from disintegration by the A-people or not ? Serbs are the victims of you cunnung policy to hide behind the Yankees .

6.2. Stop jocking ! My question was of all A-people independently wether they make whole sale supplies from Afganistan or work as ordinary pushers somewhere in Stuttgart !

7. "I am Albanian Catholic"

OK then I'll stop using Koran as an argumentation. How does it meet with Catholic understanding DON'T STEAL ? How can you come and steal somebody's land, property ,graves ect ?

But the problem is that in my qustion 7 I asked things you have ignored to respond. So kindly mention which of the mafioso groups your family belongs to or pays money to ? And what are you personally specialized (robbery ,car steling, drugs,racket) at ?

8. "This again proves that you don’t know enough about Albanians "

This much I agree but if you go on avoiding direct answers to my questions I will no doubt remain unaware of what a wonderful people you really are ! But because greater part of you are still Muslims please tell me why are the Arabs or Iranians not happy about you ? Why not a single nation in the whole world ( including the states you have sold your souls to ) is not happy about A-people no matter who they are praying to ? How does it happened so ?

"Since I believe I did answer all your questions can you answer one of mine."

You're prisoner of your imagination ! You gave little persuasuive responds for some 60% of my quetions.

"For a Russian, member of a nation of mathematicians how does it come you miss (like missing number 6 in the first case..."

If this is the only thing you dare to ask me I am very glad ! For me it only means that you are afraid to ask me and dream to get rid of me as soon as possible ! I know you are not ready for an open discussin with no cards you can play with. So I'll give you a simple respond for your simple question :

The window for the comments is too small to see the previous number and besides this is not the detail to be payed so much attention. What is real important that you escaped big part of my questions and once even lied by promising to answer lately. So I remind you the question : " How honest is it to gain independence from those who hosted you 50 years ago ? " and your respond to it :" 2. I am a bit confused with this however I will try to respond as I understand it."

So I wonder how indeed you understand it to settle down on somebody's land and later to bring your friends to take the land away ! That's why you have no word of NOBLE in your lexicone.

Blero,

Your English suggest that you have spent some time in the States. If that is the case, you know very well that individual Americans have no interest what so ever in the events in Kosovo. You seem to like to do math, so tell me; how much is a 1000 greater than 0? And apart from your statistical rhetoric, we all know that ordinary Russians care much more about Serbians than ordinary Americans do about Albanians. In fact, most Americans know nothing about the Balkans in general and Albania (Greater or lesser) in particular. In my neck of the woods, if you ask anyone what they know about Albanians, the second most popular answer to “nothing,” would be “those are the guys who planed to attack Fort Dix!” Realize, for every Russian who took time from their Easter Holiday, the most important holiday in our culture, there are thousands who share their views.

ДРУГ,

Ваистину воскресе!

"… US led countries … done the same things against Russians and the Serbs …"

Exactly. Destruction of Yugoslavia and attempted annihilation of Serbs was, (among the other things), preparation for later onslaught on Russia. There are many similarities between Yugoslavia - SSSR and Serbia - Russia. They used us as the test polygon for creating, testing and developing strategies and tactics for destruction of Russia. They did to us what they would like to do to you, if they just could.

"… Serbia may become the first to brake the trend when all Europeans run to NATO…"

Although practically everyone in Serbia is fed up with a western dirty politics, many Serbs still want to join EU. Some still believe that this is an express ticket for high living standard, others are just tired of hardships and wars and afraid of the new NATO attacks and don't want that our country becomes radioactive desert (DU). This group don't like West for all what they have done to us, but just hope that we will finally be left alone to leave our lives more or less normally if we join EU. This group is still under impression of all mighty US rampage from the nineties. They see that EU is surrounding us from all sides and don't see an alternative. They didn't yet fully comprehend depth off changes in international relations and new balans of powers from the last couple of years.

But, very different then EU, support for joining NATO is almost non existent. NATO is deeply unpopular, to put it mildly. So, all together, yes, it doesn't take a lot for Serbia to brake a trend. If we manage to show that Serbia can live and prosper without submitting to the west, majority of citizens would support it.

"…So every step the Russian government undertakes towards Serbia increases it's popularity inside the country…"

"… they will do the right thing for a variety of reasons.
To the Russian – Serbian brotherhood; one faith, one race!…"

Music to our ears, thanks!

Stevan, 28 April 2008 19:20

Dear Stevan ! I appreciate for the sentimental things you write about Russia in all your posts here !

I believe the things run much better now. I follow US & EU Mass Media with great pleasure. Most of the things they dislike in modern Russia can be summarized as RUSSIA BECAME TOO STRONG AND INDEPENDENT. Serbia can gain of this streght real security and real prosperity.

Please don't judge Russua for the weak support of Serbia during these few months. First of all because of the drastic changes in the Russian and Serbian elites. You will understand my meaning but there's Serbian guilt in it too ...

I hope in the end of May Russia will start desisive steps to support Serbia. You know Russia is the only state in the whole world whose aid to Serbia increases the loyality of ordinary people for their government. Moreover Russian here don't even try to conceal our shame not to support you in 1999. Most of the people and the elite believe that we betrayed you then. But we had here an OTPOR of our own with Eltsin at their head ... Russia could do a lot of things then but we only talked and demoralized the Serbs ...

Now it's quite different. Russia has understood that the West is not going to stop by themselves and any good will they accept as a sign of weakness. Look how many things they are now ready to do for Serbia just to stop it's shifting towards Russia !

Russian Peple always had special sympathies for the Serbs ,the Bulgarians and the Greeks. But Bulgarians has always betrayed us as soon as they received such a chance .They supported Germany in WW1 & WW2 and now they are a NATO member ... The Serbs have never done this. One year ago Serbia refused to sell tanks to Georgia and a Serbian Minister commented it as follows :"We will sooner starve than we will sell weapons to the enemies of Russia !!!!!!" What money such words can be measured with ?!

Dear Stevan ! We have a proverb here that one beaten man costs of two unbeaten ones. I believe the God is our side . Otherwise Russia would never get up from the knees. Whatever they say Russia is a big building place now with gas and oil to compose only 1/3 of the GNP. So there's no place for our pessimism. Moreover we seek no confrontation with the US&Co and I believe one day we'll bring peace to the Bakans too.

Вперед , братушки !
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I am a radical for free speech, but there are times the Albanian comments on this site can get tiresome. I usually have no interest in responding to their provocations here – this site is not about them, but can someone suggest an English language Albanian/Kosovo Albanian site of this type were I can attempt to educate them about what is being done to them?

Russia is a true supporter of Serbs.

Serbia should realize and act accordingly...
But signing the SAA is not at all appropriate.

Russia saved you from Austro-Hungarians, Tiot's partisans (Chetniks stopped fighting or joined the Nazis) and allies saved you from the Nazis, Slovenia beat you just with anti-tank weapons, Croatia pwnd you and took Krajina back. Shall I mention NATO ? If war is what you want, you will not be able to take Kosovo even after NATO leaves. Kosovo will be armed and Albania is modernizing its army. Wake up and stop this war thing. It has left you in the dark.
(James, 28 April 2008 20:10)

James,

Your comment in the paragraph of what can be described as basically 'drivel' was completely contradictory to what I believe you were trying to say. Quote "Wake up and stop this war thing".

I disagree with the final statement about Serbia being left in the dark! What left Serbia, not in the dark but on the fringes of the International Arena was the effects of a 78 day ILLEGAL bombing campaign by NATO, followed by 10 years of political aggression by the same institutions.

I truly hope that the circumstances change for the good of Serbia because the International community has acted abhorently towards them and this will never be forgotten by the Serb communities.

blero, 29 April 2008 09:42

Though your calculations are adressed to another Sergey I shall also tell what I think of it.

1. As you know Russians has always been the best mathematics in the world. All because they were realistic and never calculated their formulas based on such a fake basis like you do it here for the second time. How can you estimate 142 mln of Russians who live thousands kilometers apart ? So if you calculate the demostrates compared to the inhabitants of Moscow it's gonna be equal to some 500 Serbs which is already enough to write it home about.
2. Russian elite enjoys full support of the people as for our Serbian politics are concerned. The only thing people here usually disagree is the volume of our support. Most of the Russians demand not simbolic support as we can see by now but a desisive support. A support which will be enouch to save Serbia from your grasp and let them deside free where to go and how to live.
3. Russian people are quite different from most of the Europeans as for the expressions of their feelings are concerned. Very little do we go to any demostrations. But if necessary a lot of those to remain home during the Serbian March will join the Serbs as volunteers.
4. Your helpless barking can do nothing with the long lasting mutual sypmathy and spirital unity of the two brother nations. And my meaning is not so much about the Orthodox religion we both share but the firm spirit to stand till the end both of the nations have in their blood veins and their DNA.
5. I appreciate you for your hatred for both the Serbs and the Russians ! Such people do not let us relax in this cruel world you established for the sake of the Golden Billion. Thank you ever so much !

Long live Serbia !

blero, 29 April 2008 10:29

While Sergei is absent here I can entertain you with few questions. First because I am also Sergei and second because you consider yourself to be "a radical for free speech but it has to match my (your)strict rules."

1. Does it "match your strict rules" to apologize the Serbs for the Barbarian bombings of their innocent children , wifes , parents ect. ? If so why not to do it right now instead of poisoning the site with your imaginations ?

2. What do you think of many western people to come here to express their support and sympathy for the Serbs being treated by you and the kind so severe and so unjust all these years ?

3. Why do you think the Golden Billion has done nothing for Serbia all these 9 years after your faschist attack at peceful cities ? Why should you be so generous for them as soon as Russia has started to revive our historic ties ?

4. Which of the peoples in the whole world is most friendly to the Serbs ?

5. Do you think the SAA ,the visa abolishment and other helpless steps to tear Serbia away from the only big friendly power they have are symbols of the traditional Atlantic hypocrisy ?

7. Do you think in the circumstances Serbia can gain more from the stagnaiting West or from the fast growing Russia ?

Look the Albanian camp has no reason to even post on this topic.Why do you care if Russia help a support Srbija rally?How childish that you spew your anti-Serb bs any chance you get.THANK YOU RUSSIA! Even if it was one single Russian the numbers are not what is important.

Orthodox,

I really hope you understand what you are talking about because I for sure don’t.
Let’s see: You start with Koran, move to the Bible and then decide to get Serbs flying to the moon.
I personally believe you would be great in forums about Freud.
In order for anybody to continue civilised discussion with you, you should learn some basic manners.
I don’t have the time and the desire to teach you that.
You can respond to this with as many insults you wish, I will not be responding to your comment no more.

To B92:
If you read your policy of the comment putting (see below from your own site):
“Comments which include insults, indecencies, racial or national hate messages and intolerance of any kind will not be published. Hateful words are not allowed on B92’s site.”
Next time if you have the courtesy of altering several of my comments can you please do that for the other party as well (especially comment #40)? Basic manners and respect have not been obeyed however published. Bravo B92.

1) The sympathy of 99.99% of Russians is clearly with Serbia - there is no doubt.

2) Many Americans probably do not know, where Russia is, save Serbia or Albania. They may think, Kosovo is near Bagdad, Bagdad is Belgrade, Slovakia is Slovenia and Bucharest is Budapest.

3) Indeed, part of Yugoslavia's problem was Russia ruled by vodkacracy.

4) Russia's political interest is Serbia being INSIDE of E.U., even at the cost of Kosovo. On the other side, Russia's political interest is to show, they cannot be bullied. One reason of Kosovo "independency" was clearly to test, how far Russia can be pushed. Russia's direction is to show that they are not easy to push while the same time steer Serbia towards E.U. Russia needs their best friend INSIDE, not OUTSIDE of E.U.; they (we) don't need one more province. Russian missiles are good enough on Russian territory - there is very little need for external bases.
This is a very complicated diplomatic task and too many, sometimes contradicting interests.

One is sure: Serbia in E.U. would obliterate Albanian separatism and KosovA would cease to exist. Even joining Schengen White List is a deathblow to it: it would deprive the "KosovA Banana Republic" of it's own "citizens" - they will simply use Serbian passports. KosovA leaders all have foreign passports - what a joke. Imagine, Putin having a Serbian or Bush a Swiss citizenship.

Surprisingly I find my self reading more and more from this website and now I have actually taken an interest in the historical events that may have contributed to the current situation. Sadly I find a lack of logic from most contributors to this forum and its not hard to recognise the hatred echoing through, what a waste of energy. No body can really blame Mother Russia for trying to protect the interests of her Children, but the irony is that the Serbian people (where ever they came from) now find their home in Europe (anyone disputing this just needs a short history in Geography) and maybe its about time they realized this and worked on ways to bridge the gap (the ethnical differences) instead of trying to widen it!

No one can deny the historical link between Russia and Serbia, but a study of modern day history will reveal that the Serbian people have a lot more in common with the Bosnians, some Slovenians and some Croats, not to mention Montenegro, so its ludicrous that they dont start to redesign the "Serbian Road Map"and start on developing healthy relations with all these countries, including Kosovo, as after all is said in done, these are the people that they share borders with, share trade and have to live side by side with, Russia is too far away and on a Geographical persepective, cannot really offer Serbia anything else than lip service.
One can only hope that the youth of these countries can realize that they have inherited a lot of excess luggage from the historical events of this region and they need to put these differences behind them and realize that they have a lot more in common than they think, testimony to this is that if a survey was conducted in Serbia and the youth where asked of the religious denomination of the Albanian people, I am sure that none of them would believe that Christianity is strong and alive and there is a large percentage of Albanian Orthodox people, its sad that they have succumb to the Patriotic Rhetoric which always seems to find its roots in the Church. Whats of more interest and certainly worth noting, is that within what was once Yugoslavia, the only ethnic group that was religiously tolerant are the Albanians, as they as a people, have three religions and not just the one. People need to come together and be proud of their heritage and not hang their hat of existence around religious beliefs.

The Serbian settled in the Balkans and have their future within the European People, they should stop looking back and make some hard decisions and realize their geographical location. Serbia, stop looking at what divides and separates you from the rest of the people of the Balkans and start looking at what common goals and values you all share!
Never forget that eventually and at the end of the day, you will have to come to grips with the new European movements and the true values of democracy in your neighborhood, and being able to realize this soon will ensure that your people (most peace loving)can put the burden of carrying the cancerous cell of self destruction. Give your next generation a chance to live in peace and have a better life without carrying the artificial burden of guilt. Start respecting others and their right to be different so that some of that respect may eventually come your way!

James, you got it all wrong, completrly.

"...This arrogance is the cause of your problems..."

This is not arrogance, this is basic human dignity. Our nation historically, time and time again, choose to fight for the freedom, even against many times stronger enemies.

For example, do you consider huge 1941 Belgrade demonstrations against nazi Germany, arrogance? People chanted "better grave then slave". Whole Europe trembled in fear of Germans, but here, this tiny Serb nation, dared to refuse alliance with Nazies, although our neighborous were all ready in alliance and we were completely surrounded. Germans even didn't ask that much. They "just" wanted free passage through Serb territory to attack our brothers Greeks. Serbs refused, we do not sell our friends. Serbs were fully aware of German might and consequences. They didn't think they could defet all of German Army, they new perfectly well that suffering will be tremendious, but they still saw it as their duty to resist. We believe that there are situations in life when man have to fight, even if enemy is much stronger and defiet is certain. Life is precious but it is not worth living for any price.

"... In your short history as people..."

Our history is not short.

"... you got owned by the Turks for some 500 years..."

We can certainly be defeted and occupied. After all, we are small in numbers and huge empires attacked us. But what happens after is also important. Serb Army was defeted but Serbs refused refused to submit to the conquer. They kept their culture, religion, identity alive and they continued to resist. Turks could never relax. Mountains and forests were full of the armed Serb rebels who continued fighting. Many escaped to Monte Negro and constantly fighting, managed to keep that tiny state free from Otomans, through all these centuries. Many escaped further to the west, settled in eastern border region of Austro - Hungarian Empire, Krajina, and for the centuries protected Austro - Hungarian border from the Turks.

"... Russia saved you from Austro-Hungarians..."

We will always be greatefull to Russia for their generous help. Russians helped us a lot, especially with excellent intelligence, but it is not correct to say that Russians saved us from Austro - Hungarians. Small, ill equiped Serb Army, still exhausted from the two Balkan wars, defeted bigger and much better equipped Austro - Hungarian inviding Army alone. It was totaly unexpected in Euurope. It was, (Battle of Cer), actually first victory of the Entente in the WWI.

Although so much bigger then Serbia, Autro - Hungaria could not defet us. Only together with Germany they suceded to ocupy us. But Serbia didn't surender, despite tremendous losses, (Serbia prportionaly had biggest casualties of all countries that took part in the WWI). Serbia continued to fight.


"... Tiot's partisans ...saved you from the Nazies"

??? What do you mean. Although other nations also joined partisans, Serbs, by far, were the bigest part of partisans, especialy in the very difficult begining of uprising, when we were totaly isolated without any help from nom one. Actually, talking about saving, Serb "Sesta Licka" patizan birgade from Krajina saved Tito, when Germans tried directly to catch him in the desant on Drvar.

"... allies saved you from the Nazis..."

Alies did help materialy, but figting was caried by Yugoslavs. Of all alies only SSSR actually sent Army to help us in some of the most difficult battles of the war. Many Soviet soldiers died figthing on our soil, for our freedom.

"...Slovenia beat you just with anti-tank weapons..."
Slovenian militias attacked Yugoslav conscripts Army (not Serb Army), with solders from all republics. They used confusion to kill quite a few helpless boys. Army units were sent to Slovenia with a very limited mition. They were not expected and not equiped to fight. Tanks lacked munition, canons were cowered, e.c.t. There wasn't any real figting in Slovenia. Sloven militias ambushed few JNA units, some of them shooted back, some didn't, and after that, poolback of JNA was negotiated. Slovenia at that time wouldn't have any chanse if Army was ordered to ocupy it.

"... Croatia pwnd you and took Krajina ...."

Yes, Croatia finally finished genocide aginst Serb population, with a full support of "Ïnternational Community". It is our tragedy. We will not forget it...

".. If war is what you want..."

We do not want the war. After all immense suffering our nation endured during the numerous conflicts over the generations, we are among the very few nations that fully understand what the war is. It is not our choice. However, when territorial integrity of the country is violated, war is legal option. I do think that there will be wars, (unfortunately). I don’t think that we will initiate it. That US base is not built for nothing …